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How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:19 am
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When Donald Trump berated CNN’s Jim Acosta during Trump’s first press conference as president-elect, it proved to be a bellwether for the way he would wield language against his media critics. As a candidate, Trump’s political speech was cynical, reckless, and frequently peppered with falsehoods, but nine days before his inauguration, there remained a chance Trump would turn, as he once promised, “so presidential you won’t believe it.” But Trump refused to let Acosta talk. “Not you,” he scolded, as Acosta shouted a question. “You are fake news.”
Ever since, conservatives have hurled the term “fake news” around with relish, typically aiming it at news they consider biased, but also at stories that make mistakes or that simply don’t support their viewpoint. Trump has led the way. Last week he tweeted that a New York Times story was “major FAKE NEWS” because it didn’t mention a phone call he’d had with China’s Xi Jinping (the call had only been made public late the night before). Trump also attacked CNN’s interview with Sen. Richard Blumenthal as “FAKE NEWS!” because Trump thought Chris Cuomo didn’t ask Blumenthal about his non-existent Vietnam service (it was the first question). And at his combative press conference on Thursday, Trump repeatedly fired off the term, directing it again at CNN, but also at any reporting on his Russia ties, which he described as “all fake news.”
Far-right media were among the first to weaponize the term, and Trump may have adopted it from them. In December, after the U.S. intelligence community agreed that Russia attempted to hack our election, Breitbart News labeled the charge “left-wing fake news.” Around the same time, Rush Limbaugh said “fake news is the everyday news.” But it wasn’t until Trump’s hammering of Acosta that the term became a conservative talking point. It’s been used widely on social media ever since, and by an increasing number of Republican pols. When hearings were set to debate Trump’s travel ban, Sen. Thom Tillis posted on Facebook: “Dispense with the fake news. Listen live to oral arguments…” Rep. Mo Brooks last week dismissed a Washington Post article about his voter fraud claims as “a fake news hit piece.”
But none of this is actually fake news, of course. Fake news, you might remember from the campaign, is news in which the thrust of the story is intentionally and completely false, written by unknown people for a faux-newspaper site in order to garner page views. It was so ubiquitous before the election that Facebook has since cracked down on it. An analysis of these stories showed that while they were aimed at both right and left, twice as many were designed for a conservative audience. Charlie Sykes, the conservative radio host, has blamed Republicans’ embrace of fake news for polluting the discourse on his show (he eventually quit) as his listeners began assigning greater credibility to unsourced conspiracy theories than to New York Times articles. Sykes said his listeners accused him of being a sellout for not “repeating these stories I know not to be true.”
This is the big irony in the right’s efforts to co-opt the term. Real fake news, if you’ll pardon the oxymoron, has been far more rampant on the right than the left. The most famous fake news story is “PizzaGate,” which claimed Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of a D.C. pizzeria. The story caused a man to travel hundreds of miles to “self investigate” and then fire his assault rifle into the kitchen.
In November, NPR tracked down a fake news creator named Jestin Coler, a Democrat, who said he was stunned by how easily conservatives believed the fabrications. He tried to write fake news for liberals, he said, but “it never takes off.” Sykes, in a recent Times op-ed, discussed the right’s hijacking of the term. “Mr. Trump and his allies in the right media” have exploited our “post-factual political culture” to turn the term against its critics “essentially draining it of any meaning.” “Now,” he added, “any news deemed to be biased, annoying or negative, can be labeled ‘fake news.’”
As Sykes has also noted, however, the mainstream media has done its share to erode its own credibility. When Trump deems unfavorable polls to be fake ones, he can point to all the pre-election polls that predicted his loss (though they got the popular vote correct, something Trump never acknowledges). A Times reporter mistakenly wrote that Trump removed an MLK bust from the Oval Office, allowing Trump to cite it as more evidence of the “dishonest” media. And when all else fails, there is always WMD to prove the MSM is fallible.
But while some skepticism is healthy, rejection of the MSM is not. But rejection is sure what Trump is hoping for. In creating an equivalency between fake news and critical news, the president is attempting to further delegitimize the press and create a climate where objective facts don’t exist, just opinions. In such a climate, it becomes his word versus everyone else’s, and thus easier to propagate outlandish claims—like crime is at its highest rate in 47 years (not even close), the media is ignoring terrorist attacks (ridiculous), or that three million illegal immigrants voted in the election (no evidence of this). In making these assertions, Trump is using the oldest trick in the demagogue’s playbook: attempting to scare people into handing him more power.
In Mark Thompson’s recent book, Enough Said: What’s Gone Wrong With the Language of Politics?, Thompson offers a rationale for why conservatives may be more susceptible to conspiracy theories. Increasingly, our two parties are drawn to different styles of political speech: Liberals lean toward what he calls “rationalists,” and conservatives toward “authenticists.” The split hasn’t always been by party, but Trump’s perceived authenticity was his biggest selling point. “Authenticists prize simplicity of language,” Thompson writes, “because they associate simple expression with honesty of emotion.” Where rationalists venerate facts, almost to a fault, “authenticists often find them suspect,” denigrating them in order to “distinguish them from the bigger ‘truths’ they prefer to promote.”
Coler, the fake news creator, bolstered this point when discussing one of his biggest “successes”: his phony story about the mysterious murder-suicide of an FBI agent suspected of leaking Clinton’s emails. Nothing about the story was true, yet it garnered 1.6 million views because it matched the right’s narrative that Hillary Clinton was evil—“Killery” to many on the right. “The people wanted to hear this,” Coler told NPR, and after he posted the piece to several pro-Trump Facebook groups, “it spread like wildfire.”
To authenticists, Thompson declares: “What matters most is not argument but story… The facticity of a given claim matters less than its fit with the narrative. If something feels true, then in some sense it must be true.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/18/how-the-right-co-opted-fake-news.html
It certainly seems a return to the 1930's, with the Alt-Right propaganda machine.
When Donald Trump berated CNN’s Jim Acosta during Trump’s first press conference as president-elect, it proved to be a bellwether for the way he would wield language against his media critics. As a candidate, Trump’s political speech was cynical, reckless, and frequently peppered with falsehoods, but nine days before his inauguration, there remained a chance Trump would turn, as he once promised, “so presidential you won’t believe it.” But Trump refused to let Acosta talk. “Not you,” he scolded, as Acosta shouted a question. “You are fake news.”
Ever since, conservatives have hurled the term “fake news” around with relish, typically aiming it at news they consider biased, but also at stories that make mistakes or that simply don’t support their viewpoint. Trump has led the way. Last week he tweeted that a New York Times story was “major FAKE NEWS” because it didn’t mention a phone call he’d had with China’s Xi Jinping (the call had only been made public late the night before). Trump also attacked CNN’s interview with Sen. Richard Blumenthal as “FAKE NEWS!” because Trump thought Chris Cuomo didn’t ask Blumenthal about his non-existent Vietnam service (it was the first question). And at his combative press conference on Thursday, Trump repeatedly fired off the term, directing it again at CNN, but also at any reporting on his Russia ties, which he described as “all fake news.”
Far-right media were among the first to weaponize the term, and Trump may have adopted it from them. In December, after the U.S. intelligence community agreed that Russia attempted to hack our election, Breitbart News labeled the charge “left-wing fake news.” Around the same time, Rush Limbaugh said “fake news is the everyday news.” But it wasn’t until Trump’s hammering of Acosta that the term became a conservative talking point. It’s been used widely on social media ever since, and by an increasing number of Republican pols. When hearings were set to debate Trump’s travel ban, Sen. Thom Tillis posted on Facebook: “Dispense with the fake news. Listen live to oral arguments…” Rep. Mo Brooks last week dismissed a Washington Post article about his voter fraud claims as “a fake news hit piece.”
But none of this is actually fake news, of course. Fake news, you might remember from the campaign, is news in which the thrust of the story is intentionally and completely false, written by unknown people for a faux-newspaper site in order to garner page views. It was so ubiquitous before the election that Facebook has since cracked down on it. An analysis of these stories showed that while they were aimed at both right and left, twice as many were designed for a conservative audience. Charlie Sykes, the conservative radio host, has blamed Republicans’ embrace of fake news for polluting the discourse on his show (he eventually quit) as his listeners began assigning greater credibility to unsourced conspiracy theories than to New York Times articles. Sykes said his listeners accused him of being a sellout for not “repeating these stories I know not to be true.”
This is the big irony in the right’s efforts to co-opt the term. Real fake news, if you’ll pardon the oxymoron, has been far more rampant on the right than the left. The most famous fake news story is “PizzaGate,” which claimed Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of a D.C. pizzeria. The story caused a man to travel hundreds of miles to “self investigate” and then fire his assault rifle into the kitchen.
In November, NPR tracked down a fake news creator named Jestin Coler, a Democrat, who said he was stunned by how easily conservatives believed the fabrications. He tried to write fake news for liberals, he said, but “it never takes off.” Sykes, in a recent Times op-ed, discussed the right’s hijacking of the term. “Mr. Trump and his allies in the right media” have exploited our “post-factual political culture” to turn the term against its critics “essentially draining it of any meaning.” “Now,” he added, “any news deemed to be biased, annoying or negative, can be labeled ‘fake news.’”
As Sykes has also noted, however, the mainstream media has done its share to erode its own credibility. When Trump deems unfavorable polls to be fake ones, he can point to all the pre-election polls that predicted his loss (though they got the popular vote correct, something Trump never acknowledges). A Times reporter mistakenly wrote that Trump removed an MLK bust from the Oval Office, allowing Trump to cite it as more evidence of the “dishonest” media. And when all else fails, there is always WMD to prove the MSM is fallible.
But while some skepticism is healthy, rejection of the MSM is not. But rejection is sure what Trump is hoping for. In creating an equivalency between fake news and critical news, the president is attempting to further delegitimize the press and create a climate where objective facts don’t exist, just opinions. In such a climate, it becomes his word versus everyone else’s, and thus easier to propagate outlandish claims—like crime is at its highest rate in 47 years (not even close), the media is ignoring terrorist attacks (ridiculous), or that three million illegal immigrants voted in the election (no evidence of this). In making these assertions, Trump is using the oldest trick in the demagogue’s playbook: attempting to scare people into handing him more power.
In Mark Thompson’s recent book, Enough Said: What’s Gone Wrong With the Language of Politics?, Thompson offers a rationale for why conservatives may be more susceptible to conspiracy theories. Increasingly, our two parties are drawn to different styles of political speech: Liberals lean toward what he calls “rationalists,” and conservatives toward “authenticists.” The split hasn’t always been by party, but Trump’s perceived authenticity was his biggest selling point. “Authenticists prize simplicity of language,” Thompson writes, “because they associate simple expression with honesty of emotion.” Where rationalists venerate facts, almost to a fault, “authenticists often find them suspect,” denigrating them in order to “distinguish them from the bigger ‘truths’ they prefer to promote.”
Coler, the fake news creator, bolstered this point when discussing one of his biggest “successes”: his phony story about the mysterious murder-suicide of an FBI agent suspected of leaking Clinton’s emails. Nothing about the story was true, yet it garnered 1.6 million views because it matched the right’s narrative that Hillary Clinton was evil—“Killery” to many on the right. “The people wanted to hear this,” Coler told NPR, and after he posted the piece to several pro-Trump Facebook groups, “it spread like wildfire.”
To authenticists, Thompson declares: “What matters most is not argument but story… The facticity of a given claim matters less than its fit with the narrative. If something feels true, then in some sense it must be true.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/18/how-the-right-co-opted-fake-news.html
It certainly seems a return to the 1930's, with the Alt-Right propaganda machine.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:18 pm
Dodge is so wrapped up in the bullshit that he cannot see the truth...
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:19 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Thorin wrote:
Yes he promised many things and he promised to hold a referendum and what to do with that money, if Britain voted to leave the EU. So again it matters greatly what he says, when he is also fighting to win a general election and lead the country. Even if that was not the case, he was an elected MEP standing for the view to leave and is responsible over points made. Yes they do have a say on policies that will effect the UK
Are you seriously suggesting if he and other UKIP members had been elected they would have not pushed for this money to be used, as they claimed?
He wasn't fighting to win a general election though. As an MEP, he would have had no say in how much was spent on the NHS, and neither would any other MEP.
Yes he was
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32612295
Again he made pledges on money in his manifesto, based upon leaving the EU.
These are the facts, so you are poorly excusing his pledges Rags
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by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:20 pm
When was the general election dodge...?
And when was the eu referendum...?
And when was the eu referendum...?
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:22 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:When was the general election dodge...?
And when was the eu referendum...?
Who is dodge
Or are you still with the mentality of a 2 year old?
What does that matter Tommy, when he has pledge to use Money based off leaving the EU?
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:29 pm
When was the general election...?
When was the referendum...?
How could Farage been a general election candidate during the eu referendum, as you claim?
Also... have you got a direct quote showing Farage saying what you claim yet...!!!???
When was the referendum...?
How could Farage been a general election candidate during the eu referendum, as you claim?
Also... have you got a direct quote showing Farage saying what you claim yet...!!!???
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:30 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:When was the general election...?
When was the referendum...?
How could Farage been a general election candidate during the eu referendum, as you claim?
Also... have you got a direct quote showing Farage saying what you claim yet...!!!???
What does that matter Tommy, when he has pledge to use Money based off leaving the EU?
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:31 pm
UKIP is a party that believes in low taxation, enterprise and fairness. Our economic policy and spending commitments are rooted in the savings we will make from leaving the European Union.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:46 pm
Didge, are you saying that Nigel Farage promised to give all that money to the NHS whilst the 2015 general election was going on?
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:49 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, are you saying that Nigel Farage promised to give all that money to the NHS whilst the 2015 general election was going on?
Yes.
UKIP is a party that believes in low taxation, enterprise and fairness.
Our economic policy and spending commitments are rooted in the savings we will make from leaving the European Union
UKIP is fully committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and at time of need for UK citizens.
We will spend a total of £12 billion more on the NHS in England by 2020 to make sure it stays that way.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:52 pm
Thorin wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, are you saying that Nigel Farage promised to give all that money to the NHS whilst the 2015 general election was going on?
Yes.
UKIP is a party that believes in low taxation, enterprise and fairness.
Our economic policy and spending commitments are rooted in the savings we will make from leaving the European Union
UKIP is fully committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and at time of need for UK citizens.
We will spend a total of £12 billion more on the NHS in England by 2020 to make sure it stays that way.
OK, but he didn't win the election, and the brexit bus wasn't around at the time was it? That's what I mean - he wasn't in a position to promise anything which was written on the side of a bus - not that it promised anything anyway.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:53 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Thorin wrote:
Yes.
UKIP is a party that believes in low taxation, enterprise and fairness.
Our economic policy and spending commitments are rooted in the savings we will make from leaving the European Union
UKIP is fully committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and at time of need for UK citizens.
We will spend a total of £12 billion more on the NHS in England by 2020 to make sure it stays that way.
OK, but he didn't win the election, and the brexit bus wasn't around at the time was it? That's what I mean - he wasn't in a position to promise anything which was written on the side of a bus - not that it promised anything anyway.
So what if her does not win the election, this is the pledge and the continued pledge of the UKIP party Rags.
The fact is he backed this policy and claim made, with then later backtracking on this.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:54 pm
Farage still had nothing to do with the official leave campaign bus or the slogan on it.
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:57 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:
Farage still had nothing to do with the official leave campaign bus or the slogan on it.
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by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:10 pm
Farage was not part of the official leave campaign so had absolutely nothing to do with what was on their campaign bus.
What bit of this do you find so hard to understand...!?
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:12 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:
Farage was not part of the official leave campaign so had absolutely nothing to do with what was on their campaign bus.
What bit of this do you find so hard to understand...!?
Really?
UKIP have been campaigning to leave for years. So on what planet can you say they are not to do with this, when he stated and then backtracked on this claim?
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UKIP is a party that believes in low taxation, enterprise and fairness.
Our economic policy and spending commitments are rooted in the savings we will make from leaving the European Union
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:20 pm
Farage and ukip were not part of the official leave campaign and had nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:23 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Farage and ukip were not part of the official leave campaign and had nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
Official?
PMSL
Does that their manifesto be based on spending money based on leaving the EU?
Did farage make this claim on TV about the NHS money
Did he then backtrack when shown his maths was piss poor
Yes to all 3
Grow the fuck up
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:34 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:No, no and no!!!
Err, I think I can guess that song
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by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:40 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Farage and ukip were not part of the official leave campaign and had nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
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by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:08 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
There was only one official leave campaign bus... and yes it did have a slogan on it saying that we give £350 million a week to the eu... it also had a slogan that we should be funding the nhs more instead...
But that was nothing to do with me or Nigel Farage or Ukip.
That was not the biggest promise of anyone or even the biggest issue about eu membership and reasons to leave...
Also... this 350 million to eu figure was extensively discussed/debated throughout the run up to the referendum... and it was quite clearly established that it did not mean that leaving the eu meant that 350 million a week extra would be given to funding the nhs.
This is just nonsense!!!
I really don't understand why some people took that so literally, and I think it was largely remainers who did so. It seems obvious to me that nobody was actually promising that the money would go to the NHS instead. They weren't in a position to do so for a start.
But interestingly... if they thought leaving the eu would mean an extra £350 million a week to the NHS, and they wanted this to happen, why did they vote against it by voting remain and to give the money to the eu instead...?
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:12 pm
Thorin wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:Farage and ukip were not part of the official leave campaign and had nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
Official?
PMSL
Does that their manifesto be based on spending money based on leaving the EU?
Did farage make this claim on TV about the NHS money
Did he then backtrack when shown his maths was piss poor
Yes to all 3
Grow the fuck up
I can bump as well Tommy
As seen you are completely wrong
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:14 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I really don't understand why some people took that so literally, and I think it was largely remainers who did so. It seems obvious to me that nobody was actually promising that the money would go to the NHS instead. They weren't in a position to do so for a start.
But interestingly... if they thought leaving the eu would mean an extra £350 million a week to the NHS, and they wanted this to happen, why did they vote against it by voting remain and to give the money to the eu instead...?
Even Rags concedes that its in the UKIP manifesto, that they would use this money and on the NHS
Stop being a piss poor apologist
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:41 pm
No dodge... the Ukip manifesto for the 2015 election said that they would give £12 billion extra to the nhs over the period up to 2020...
£12 billion would be one years uk net cost of being in the eu.
Farage and ukip had nothing to do with the official leave campaign in 2016... and nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
£12 billion would be one years uk net cost of being in the eu.
Farage and ukip had nothing to do with the official leave campaign in 2016... and nothing to do with what was written on their bus!!!
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:42 pm
Gibberish
It clearly states using money to spend, from savings of the EU
It clearly then states to spend extra on the NHS, by the amount of 12 billion.
Where do you think that 12 billion was going to come from Tommy?
UKIP and Farage were very vocal during the leave campaign, that is a fact, so your apologist just wont cut it.
He got caught out with his pants down
Take your time
It clearly states using money to spend, from savings of the EU
It clearly then states to spend extra on the NHS, by the amount of 12 billion.
Where do you think that 12 billion was going to come from Tommy?
UKIP and Farage were very vocal during the leave campaign, that is a fact, so your apologist just wont cut it.
He got caught out with his pants down
Take your time
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by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:03 pm
Tory and labour pledged more for nhs while also planning to remain in the eu... so if they could both find some extra money for nhs without leaving eu, surely it would be easy for Ukip to do too if they became the govt in 2015...
But Ukip didn't become govt in 2015... and farage/Ukip were not part of the official leave campaign in 2016 eu referendum... and had absolutely nothing to do with what was written on the leave campaign bus...!!!
Please try to keep up Didge...!
But Ukip didn't become govt in 2015... and farage/Ukip were not part of the official leave campaign in 2016 eu referendum... and had absolutely nothing to do with what was written on the leave campaign bus...!!!
Please try to keep up Didge...!
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by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:07 pm
So now you use misdirection Tommy
Which is also irrelevant for the Tories and Labour, of which they never pledge money from leaving the EU on the NHS, where as UKIP did.
Doh
Ukip was specific over where its extra funding would come from the EU
So once again you turn to immature and mode, posting up more absurdity
This is not about UKIP getting into power but what it pledges to people if it did and misleading them on, of which Farage did and backtracked on.
You can continue to deny this all you like and its like debating a child, you refuses to see the facts. So I shall just leave you to do what you do best.
So I shall now leave you to sulk and just spam as you always do
Which is also irrelevant for the Tories and Labour, of which they never pledge money from leaving the EU on the NHS, where as UKIP did.
Doh
Ukip was specific over where its extra funding would come from the EU
So once again you turn to immature and mode, posting up more absurdity
This is not about UKIP getting into power but what it pledges to people if it did and misleading them on, of which Farage did and backtracked on.
You can continue to deny this all you like and its like debating a child, you refuses to see the facts. So I shall just leave you to do what you do best.
So I shall now leave you to sulk and just spam as you always do
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:18 pm
The general election was done and dusted in April 2015... Ukip only got one MP... so their election manifesto for what they would have done had they become the govt in 2015, is totally irrelevant when we are talking about the eu referendum in June 2016!!!
Farage/Ukip were nothing to do with the official leave campaign... and had absolutely nothing to do with the slogan on the official leave campaign bus!!!
Give it up dodge!!!
Your claims are 'fake news'...!!!
Farage/Ukip were nothing to do with the official leave campaign... and had absolutely nothing to do with the slogan on the official leave campaign bus!!!
Give it up dodge!!!
Your claims are 'fake news'...!!!
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:23 pm
lol Tommy screws up again
You not seen their 2016 manifesto Tommy?
You see, UKIP is continually campaigning to get elected.
The facts here are you are trying to deny the facts that Farage got caught lying. UKIP have campaigned to leave since its existence as a party, to claim, they were not official on the leave campaign, is a contradiction in terms and, means you do not think they are an official party
Now stop boring me with your lies.
As Isay, you can continue to regurgitate your lies, but now I have exposed you yet again, I shall just sit back and watch you have the hump. As there is no need for me to say anymore
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You not seen their 2016 manifesto Tommy?
You see, UKIP is continually campaigning to get elected.
The facts here are you are trying to deny the facts that Farage got caught lying. UKIP have campaigned to leave since its existence as a party, to claim, they were not official on the leave campaign, is a contradiction in terms and, means you do not think they are an official party
Now stop boring me with your lies.
As Isay, you can continue to regurgitate your lies, but now I have exposed you yet again, I shall just sit back and watch you have the hump. As there is no need for me to say anymore
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:31 pm
Thorin wrote:lol Tommy screws up again
You not seen their 2016 manifesto Tommy?
You see, UKIP is continually campaigning to get elected.
The facts here are you are trying to deny the facts that Farage got caught lying. UKIP have campaigned to leave since its existence as a party, to claim, they were not official on the leave campaign, is a contradiction in terms and, means you do not think they are an official party
Now stop boring me with your lies.
As Isay, you can continue to regurgitate your lies, but now I have exposed you yet again, I shall just sit back and watch you have the hump. As there is no need for me to say anymore
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The Ukip 2016 manifesto...?
What is this '2016 manifesto' you talk of...?
Farage/Ukip were not part of the official leave campaign in the eu referendum... and had absolutely nothing to do with the slogan on the side of the bus!!!
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:36 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I really don't understand why some people took that so literally, and I think it was largely remainers who did so. It seems obvious to me that nobody was actually promising that the money would go to the NHS instead. They weren't in a position to do so for a start.
But interestingly... if they thought leaving the eu would mean an extra £350 million a week to the NHS, and they wanted this to happen, why did they vote against it by voting remain and to give the money to the eu instead...?
Good point Tommy. It is the remainers who said that people were misled is it not? They clearly weren't - or they don't care about the NHS. I don't think people who voted to leave were misled either.
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Re: How The Right Co-Opted ‘Fake News’
by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:36 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
But interestingly... if they thought leaving the eu would mean an extra £350 million a week to the NHS, and they wanted this to happen, why did they vote against it by voting remain and to give the money to the eu instead...?
Good point Tommy. It is the remainers who said that people were misled is it not? They clearly weren't - or they don't care about the NHS. I don't think people who voted to leave were misled either.
It is an interesting point of argument, isn't it!?
Leaving the eu means that all the money we would otherwise have handed over to them in future, can instead be kept/spent here in the UK, and decided by uk govt/parliament on how it is spent, and the uk parliament being under the direct control of the people of the uk... as is the way democracy is supposed to be!!!
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