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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:38 pm

Recent developments have put the so-called “alt-right” movement in the news. They highlight the need for clarity around use of the term and around some related terms, such as “white nationalism” and “white supremacism.”

Let’s tackle them.

The “alt-right” or “alternative right” is a name currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists to refer to themselves and their ideology, which emphasizes preserving and protecting the white race in the United States in addition to, or over, other traditional conservative positions such as limited government, low taxes and strict law-and-order.

The movement has been described as a mix of racism, white nationalism and populism.

Although many adherents backed President-elect Donald Trump in the recent election, Trump last week said he disavows and condemns the “alt-right.”

The movement criticizes “multiculturalism” and more rights for non-whites, women, Jews, Muslims, gays, immigrants and other minorities. Its members reject the American democratic ideal that all should have equality under the law regardless of creed, gender, ethnic origin or race.

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Again, whenever “alt-right” is used in a story, be sure to include a definition: “an offshoot of conservatism mixing racism, white nationalism and populism,” or, more simply, “a white nationalist movement.”

Here is an example from the AP news report:


With an ideology that’s a mix of racism, white nationalism and old-fashioned populism, the “alt-right” has burst into the collective consciousness since members showed up at the Republican National Convention to celebrate Trump’s nomination last summer.


Be specific and call it straight

Finally, when writing on extreme groups, be precise and provide evidence to support the characterization.

We should not limit ourselves to letting such groups define themselves, and instead should report their actions, associations, history and positions to reveal their actual beliefs and philosophy, as well as how others see them.

https://blog.ap.org/behind-the-news/writing-about-the-alt-right
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Post by Victorismyhero Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:42 pm

seems about right

theres no point polishing a turd

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Post by veya_victaous Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:48 pm

I think it is good to defiene some new names for the mordern movements.
we bundle too much economic and social policy together under the banners of left and right.

Alt right (much like 'new left') are more concerned with the social issues than economic.
Economically both are more central , the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW.

I think this will also create deeper divisions
Quite simply they are so different than cohabitiation is near immpossible.
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Post by eddie Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:49 pm

That's exactly how you tackle this kind of thing. You don't just stick a lazy label on it, you give the label itself, a permanent sub-heading, that makes it known in no uncertain terms, what these people stand for.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:10 am

veya_victaous wrote:I think it is good to defiene some new names for the mordern movements.
we bundle too much economic and social policy together under the banners of left and right.

Alt right (much like 'new left') are more concerned with the social issues than economic.
Economically both are more central , the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW.

I think this will also create deeper divisions
Quite simply they are so different than cohabitiation is near immpossible.



The so called 'far/alt right' are really just old left...


Nazi = old left
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Post by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:12 am

oh dear Tommy......

you do love bangin that old chestnut dont you

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I think it is good to defiene some new names for the mordern movements.
we bundle too much economic and social policy together under the banners of left and right.

Alt right (much like 'new left') are more concerned with the social issues than economic.
Economically both are more central , the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW.

I think this will also create deeper divisions
Quite simply they are so different than cohabitiation is near immpossible.



The so called 'far/alt right' are really just old left...


Nazi = old left


umm No. the Old left is Stalin not Hitler.
Gulags for the state not slave factories for BMW Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


SO who are the old Right tommy? or was everyone a Leftie back then?
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Post by eddie Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:16 am

I hear that a lot nowadays. It's just nonsense.
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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:03 am

eddie wrote:I hear that a lot nowadays. It's just nonsense.

Following the appointment of Hitler to the office of Reich Chancellor, the National Socialists pursued a deliberate and extremely consequential course of measures to secure their power as quickly as possible. At the same time a wave of terror propelled by the SA and SS rolled over Berlin and all of Germany.

Torture centres and early concentration camps were established in all of Berlin’s districts in the months following March 1933. Jewish citizens, Communists, Social Democrats, trade unionists and other members of the labour movement were maltreated at over 220 known locations.

http://www.berlin.de/2013/en/open-air-exhibitions/urban-memorials/08-platz-der-republik-centres-of-the-seizure-of-power/violence-unleashed/

That's a lot of "lefty" on lefty violence ...
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Post by 'Wolfie Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:00 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
I think it is good to defiene some new names for the mordern movements.
we bundle too much economic and social policy together under the banners of left and right.

Alt right (much like 'new left') are more concerned with the social issues than economic.
Economically both are more central , the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW.

I think this will also create deeper divisions
Quite simply they are so different than cohabitiation is near immpossible.

The so called 'far/alt right' are really just old left...

Nazi = old left

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You really are off in your own universe,  Tommykins  !!!!

The only reason that both the alt.right and the nazi's seem "left wing" to your warped and grossly twisted way of thinking,  is that you have set yourself so far over to the extreme and racist right side,  that most of the world now appears to be "left wing" from your perspective..         Arrow
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I think it is good to defiene some new names for the mordern movements.
we bundle too much economic and social policy together under the banners of left and right.

Alt right (much like 'new left') are more concerned with the social issues than economic.
Economically both are more central , the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW.

I think this will also create deeper divisions
Quite simply they are so different than cohabitiation is near immpossible.



The so called 'far/alt right' are really just old left...


Nazi = old left


It appears that this is what veya is saying...


And the old right are now more like the new left...

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:16 pm

If you read what veya is saying that is...
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Post by veya_victaous Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:55 pm

tommy do you read backwards? Suspect Suspect Suspect
how the hell do you read that as what i am saying?

and WHO are the old right?
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:11 pm

"...the New left supportsd internaitonal trade (typically RW) and the Alt Right is all tarriffs and protectionism which is traditionally LW..."


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Post by veya_victaous Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:36 pm

New left and Alt right
both the new ones are more similar economically having move toward the centre.
basically both sides are sick of the corpocracy and both acknowledge that the Soviet style model is equally as terrible.

The differnece is more Social now. New left beleive in equality and multicultralism, Alt Right are Homophobic racists 

I think Neither is actually like the old ones. they have things incommon with them but are still different.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:51 pm

I believe in uk national parliamentary sovereignty and democracy!!!


Demos kratos!


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Post by veya_victaous Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I believe in uk national parliamentary sovereignty and democracy!!!


Demos kratos!



to do what?
that is neither left or right,

What direction do you want democracy to take?
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:23 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I believe in uk national parliamentary sovereignty and democracy!!!


Demos kratos!



to do what?

To enable the people to have and exercise their right to self govt and self determination!


that is neither left or right,

Yes... correct... democracy is that the people decide...!



What direction do you want democracy to take?

I want democracy to mean democracy and stay as democracy.
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Post by veya_victaous Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:46 am

yeah So Tommy
that really doesn't support the idea that you have the slightest clue what people are talking about


SO WHAT do you want the Exercise? what Will you do with the democracy you have?
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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:41 pm

veya_victaous wrote:yeah So Tommy
that really doesn't support the idea that you have the slightest clue what people are talking about


SO WHAT do you want the Exercise? what Will you do with the democracy you have?


Democracy means the people decide...


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Post by veya_victaous Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:47 am

Yes but no one is saying no to democracy. in the west at least.
But one of the democratic principals is those effected should be able to vote.

And democracy is not as clear cut as that either. even in UK has 'voting districts' that were won or lost independently. generally we are only electing representatives and don't have direct democracy. 

And that still doesn't answer what do you want people to vote for Cool
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