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Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:59 am
Apprehension and distrust pervade North Dakota protest site as promises from state that there are no plans to forcibly remove people does little to assuage fears
Police violence against Standing Rock protesters in North Dakota has risen to extraordinary levels, and activists and observers fear that, with two evacuation orders looming, the worst is yet to come.
A litany of munitions, including water cannons, combined with ambiguous government leadership and misleading police statements, have resulted in mass arrests, serious injuries and a deeply sown atmosphere of fear and distrust on the banks of the Missouri river.
Statements by the US Army Corps of Engineers and North Dakota state government that, despite their orders of evacuation, there are no plans to forcibly remove protesters opposing the Dakota Access pipeline have done little to assuage fears.
As the first snows have fallen and more protesters arrive in support, apprehension at the encampments about the coming days is running high.
“We’re going to hope for the absolute best,” said Linda Black Elk, a member of the Catawba Nation who works with the Standing Rock Medic & Healer Council. “If they do attempt to remove people forcibly, we are certainly preparing for mass casualties.”
Harkening back to an earlier era, when police in Birmingham, Alabama, attacked African American schoolchildren with dogs and high-pressure water hoses, North Dakota officers trained water cannons on hundreds of Dakota Access pipeline protesters.
On the night of 20 November, though, the temperature was below freezing and the protesters, who call themselves “water protectors”, were camping outdoors for the evening.
Water is just one many “less-than-lethal” munitions that have been trained against the activists.
“They seem to have almost an infinite arsenal of different types of weapons,” said Rachel Lederman, attorney for the National Lawyers Guild (NLG). “I don’t think local law enforcement understands how dangerous they are.”
Police have acknowledged using sponge rounds, bean bag rounds, stinger rounds, teargas grenades, pepper spray, Mace, Tasers and a sound weapon. The explosive teargas grenades in use at Standing Rock have been banned by some US law enforcement agencies because they indiscriminately spray people, Lederman said.
“I feel like Morton County law enforcement is experimenting on us,” Black Elk said. “It’s like they received all this free military equipment and they’re just itching to try it out.”
On Monday, the NLG filed a federal class action lawsuit against the Morton County sheriff’s office, alleging excessive force at the 20 November encounter. The group is seeking a temporary restraining order to bar police from using “less-than-lethal” munitions, chemical agents, sound cannons, and water against activists.
More than two dozen people were hospitalized and 300 injured during the conflict, according to the medic and healer council. One woman’s arm was nearly blown off, according to her father, and the complaint alleges that another woman was shot in the eye, resulting in the detachment of her retina and possible permanent blindness.
“It is only a matter of luck that no one has been killed,” Lederman said about the suit. “This must stop.”
North Dakota law enforcement officials have released misleading or blatantly inaccurate statements about protest actions while using charged language to paint peaceful demonstrators as violent threats to public safety.
“There’s a lot of testimony on the part of the police that doesn’t match up with what we are seeing,” said Roberto Borrero, an International Indian Treaty Council representative who assisted the United Nations in an investigation of human rights abuses by law enforcement against Standing Rock activists.
When asked about the water cannons, a sheriff’s spokeswoman initially told the Guardian that protesters were “starting fires”. But footage later emerged showing police aiming the hoses directly at activists. The department subsequently conceded that it had purposefully used water on the protesters.
On Thanksgiving, Morton County sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier released a statement condemning the actions of “paid agitators and protesters” without offering any evidence that people were being paid to fight the pipeline. The department has not responded to requests to substantiate the claim.
In another statement that week, the sheriff said activists were not engaged in “civil disobedience” but were acting like “evil agitators”. The Mandan, North Dakota, police chief, Jason Ziegler, has asserted that law enforcement agencies “can use whatever force necessary to maintain peace”.
Caro Gonzales, a 26-year-old member of the Chemehuevi tribe and an anti-police violence activist in Washington state, said the language from law enforcement officials resembled that used to discredit unarmed black men killed by police.
Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, who fatally shot Michael Brown in 2014, said the unarmed black teenager looked like a “demon”.
“Police and police unions use this language so they can demonize people who are fighting for their rights,” said Gonzales.
A lack of transparency, confusing jurisdictions, and the fact that dozens of law enforcement agencies have assisted the local sheriff’s department further complicate the situation.
The Morton County sheriff’s department has refused to reveal which law enforcement agencies were involved in the 20 November action. But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has assembled a list of 76 different agencies – state, county, and local agencies from North Dakota and nine other states – that have sent officers to the protests.
“There are real concerns about how the Morton County sheriff’s department is exercising command and control,” said Jennifer Cook, policy director for the ACLU of North Dakota. “Who makes the decision about how to police the protest? When you have so many agencies involved, each one is going to have its own training and protocol.”
Adding to the confusion is an exceedingly complicated jurisdictional terrain.
The first Standing Rock encampment, known as Sacred Stone, was established in April on land owned by LaDonna Brave Bull Allard, which sits within the boundaries of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.
But as more activists joined the movement, camps were established north of the reservation border, on land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and leased to a private rancher. While the government asserts that the land falls under its jurisdiction, the Standing Rock Sioux tribe says that it has treaty rights dating from the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie.
Given the complexity, Ronal Serpas, a retired police chief and professor of criminology at Loyola University, said the courts needed to step in and provide direction for law enforcement officers.
“This is what you would call a messy, messy mess,” Serpas said. “It’s unfair for the police to be at the center of that storm.”
Many Native Americans involved in the Standing Rock movement ascribe the harsh police tactics to intense racism against indigenous people, both from law enforcement officials and civilians.
Glenn Morris, spokesman for the leadership council of the American Indian Movement of Colorado, said indigenous people in the Standing Rock region were accustomed to mistreatment by police.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation
Rich white people refused to have it on their land, which is why they decided to run it through the sacred land owned by Native Americans.
I was sent a poem to show why it is so sacred. I'd like to share it, it is about what happened on the land and what the Native Americans still commemorate every year.
What the Old Cheyenne Women at Sand Creek Knew
(Sand Creek Massacre: November 29, 1864)
...
by Red Hawk
All along the creek bank
they crouched holding the children until the last warrior was dead
and the soldiers turned slowly towards them like men in a bad dream.
The old women knew what was coming.
All along the creek bank
they tore off their shawls, their shirts, their scarves,
anything close at hand and they covered the eyes of the children.
The old women knew that if young children
saw what men in a bad dream could do they would not die a clean death
so they covered the eyes of the children and made no move to run.
The old women knew it was time.
All along the creek bank they sat with their eyes wide open
watching and rocking the swaddled children and when the soldiers opened fire
they tumbled into the creek, the dead children in their arms
with eyes covered so they would not see what men in a bad dream could do.
All along the creek bank
The old women knew how to move from one dream to another
And take the children safely through;
the old women knew what men in a bad dream could do.
“Anybody who knows the history of law enforcement actions in the Dakotas, this is not unusual. But the magnitude of it is extreme,” said Morris, who is the uncle of Red Fawn Fallis, an indigenous protester who was arrested and accused of attempted murder against law enforcement at Standing Rock – a charge her family and supporters strongly deny.
Studies have also found that police kill Native Americans at higher rates than any other racial group, and that indigenous children make up 70% of youth admitted to the federal bureau of prisons despite representing only 1% of the population.
“When someone from Standing Rock goes to Bismarck, we’ll always say, ‘Watch out for the cops,’” said Black Elk, who has lived on the reservation for much of her life.
“The thing is, racism is nothing new here. It has always been there; it’s just bubbling under the surface.”
Police violence against Standing Rock protesters in North Dakota has risen to extraordinary levels, and activists and observers fear that, with two evacuation orders looming, the worst is yet to come.
A litany of munitions, including water cannons, combined with ambiguous government leadership and misleading police statements, have resulted in mass arrests, serious injuries and a deeply sown atmosphere of fear and distrust on the banks of the Missouri river.
Statements by the US Army Corps of Engineers and North Dakota state government that, despite their orders of evacuation, there are no plans to forcibly remove protesters opposing the Dakota Access pipeline have done little to assuage fears.
As the first snows have fallen and more protesters arrive in support, apprehension at the encampments about the coming days is running high.
“We’re going to hope for the absolute best,” said Linda Black Elk, a member of the Catawba Nation who works with the Standing Rock Medic & Healer Council. “If they do attempt to remove people forcibly, we are certainly preparing for mass casualties.”
‘An infinite arsenal’
Harkening back to an earlier era, when police in Birmingham, Alabama, attacked African American schoolchildren with dogs and high-pressure water hoses, North Dakota officers trained water cannons on hundreds of Dakota Access pipeline protesters.
On the night of 20 November, though, the temperature was below freezing and the protesters, who call themselves “water protectors”, were camping outdoors for the evening.
Water is just one many “less-than-lethal” munitions that have been trained against the activists.
“They seem to have almost an infinite arsenal of different types of weapons,” said Rachel Lederman, attorney for the National Lawyers Guild (NLG). “I don’t think local law enforcement understands how dangerous they are.”
Police have acknowledged using sponge rounds, bean bag rounds, stinger rounds, teargas grenades, pepper spray, Mace, Tasers and a sound weapon. The explosive teargas grenades in use at Standing Rock have been banned by some US law enforcement agencies because they indiscriminately spray people, Lederman said.
“I feel like Morton County law enforcement is experimenting on us,” Black Elk said. “It’s like they received all this free military equipment and they’re just itching to try it out.”
On Monday, the NLG filed a federal class action lawsuit against the Morton County sheriff’s office, alleging excessive force at the 20 November encounter. The group is seeking a temporary restraining order to bar police from using “less-than-lethal” munitions, chemical agents, sound cannons, and water against activists.
More than two dozen people were hospitalized and 300 injured during the conflict, according to the medic and healer council. One woman’s arm was nearly blown off, according to her father, and the complaint alleges that another woman was shot in the eye, resulting in the detachment of her retina and possible permanent blindness.
“It is only a matter of luck that no one has been killed,” Lederman said about the suit. “This must stop.”
‘A messy, messy mess’
North Dakota law enforcement officials have released misleading or blatantly inaccurate statements about protest actions while using charged language to paint peaceful demonstrators as violent threats to public safety.
“There’s a lot of testimony on the part of the police that doesn’t match up with what we are seeing,” said Roberto Borrero, an International Indian Treaty Council representative who assisted the United Nations in an investigation of human rights abuses by law enforcement against Standing Rock activists.
When asked about the water cannons, a sheriff’s spokeswoman initially told the Guardian that protesters were “starting fires”. But footage later emerged showing police aiming the hoses directly at activists. The department subsequently conceded that it had purposefully used water on the protesters.
On Thanksgiving, Morton County sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier released a statement condemning the actions of “paid agitators and protesters” without offering any evidence that people were being paid to fight the pipeline. The department has not responded to requests to substantiate the claim.
In another statement that week, the sheriff said activists were not engaged in “civil disobedience” but were acting like “evil agitators”. The Mandan, North Dakota, police chief, Jason Ziegler, has asserted that law enforcement agencies “can use whatever force necessary to maintain peace”.
Caro Gonzales, a 26-year-old member of the Chemehuevi tribe and an anti-police violence activist in Washington state, said the language from law enforcement officials resembled that used to discredit unarmed black men killed by police.
Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, who fatally shot Michael Brown in 2014, said the unarmed black teenager looked like a “demon”.
“Police and police unions use this language so they can demonize people who are fighting for their rights,” said Gonzales.
A lack of transparency, confusing jurisdictions, and the fact that dozens of law enforcement agencies have assisted the local sheriff’s department further complicate the situation.
The Morton County sheriff’s department has refused to reveal which law enforcement agencies were involved in the 20 November action. But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has assembled a list of 76 different agencies – state, county, and local agencies from North Dakota and nine other states – that have sent officers to the protests.
“There are real concerns about how the Morton County sheriff’s department is exercising command and control,” said Jennifer Cook, policy director for the ACLU of North Dakota. “Who makes the decision about how to police the protest? When you have so many agencies involved, each one is going to have its own training and protocol.”
Adding to the confusion is an exceedingly complicated jurisdictional terrain.
The first Standing Rock encampment, known as Sacred Stone, was established in April on land owned by LaDonna Brave Bull Allard, which sits within the boundaries of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.
But as more activists joined the movement, camps were established north of the reservation border, on land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and leased to a private rancher. While the government asserts that the land falls under its jurisdiction, the Standing Rock Sioux tribe says that it has treaty rights dating from the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie.
Given the complexity, Ronal Serpas, a retired police chief and professor of criminology at Loyola University, said the courts needed to step in and provide direction for law enforcement officers.
“This is what you would call a messy, messy mess,” Serpas said. “It’s unfair for the police to be at the center of that storm.”
‘It’s just under the surface’
Many Native Americans involved in the Standing Rock movement ascribe the harsh police tactics to intense racism against indigenous people, both from law enforcement officials and civilians.
Glenn Morris, spokesman for the leadership council of the American Indian Movement of Colorado, said indigenous people in the Standing Rock region were accustomed to mistreatment by police.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation
Rich white people refused to have it on their land, which is why they decided to run it through the sacred land owned by Native Americans.
I was sent a poem to show why it is so sacred. I'd like to share it, it is about what happened on the land and what the Native Americans still commemorate every year.
What the Old Cheyenne Women at Sand Creek Knew
(Sand Creek Massacre: November 29, 1864)
...
by Red Hawk
All along the creek bank
they crouched holding the children until the last warrior was dead
and the soldiers turned slowly towards them like men in a bad dream.
The old women knew what was coming.
All along the creek bank
they tore off their shawls, their shirts, their scarves,
anything close at hand and they covered the eyes of the children.
The old women knew that if young children
saw what men in a bad dream could do they would not die a clean death
so they covered the eyes of the children and made no move to run.
The old women knew it was time.
All along the creek bank they sat with their eyes wide open
watching and rocking the swaddled children and when the soldiers opened fire
they tumbled into the creek, the dead children in their arms
with eyes covered so they would not see what men in a bad dream could do.
All along the creek bank
The old women knew how to move from one dream to another
And take the children safely through;
the old women knew what men in a bad dream could do.
“Anybody who knows the history of law enforcement actions in the Dakotas, this is not unusual. But the magnitude of it is extreme,” said Morris, who is the uncle of Red Fawn Fallis, an indigenous protester who was arrested and accused of attempted murder against law enforcement at Standing Rock – a charge her family and supporters strongly deny.
Studies have also found that police kill Native Americans at higher rates than any other racial group, and that indigenous children make up 70% of youth admitted to the federal bureau of prisons despite representing only 1% of the population.
“When someone from Standing Rock goes to Bismarck, we’ll always say, ‘Watch out for the cops,’” said Black Elk, who has lived on the reservation for much of her life.
“The thing is, racism is nothing new here. It has always been there; it’s just bubbling under the surface.”
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by 'Wolfie Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:32 pm
WHAT the fuck is the Army doing in there ???
The US shouldn't be allowing a local sheriff's office to call in military help against American citizens attempting to defend their homes..
Seems like nothing has really changed over the last 150 years, when one sees today's local and state authorities behaving the same as their predecessors, using military weapons against a civilian protest ?
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:30 pm
Standing Rock Demonstrators File Class-Action Lawsuit Over Police Violence
Pipeline demonstrators injured by rubber bullets, tear gas canisters, and water cannons during a wintry nighttime standoff with police last week filed a class-action lawsuit Monday against the sheriff of the North Dakota county involved. The suit describes in new detail the evening of November 20, when more than 200 people protesting the Dakota Access oil pipeline were injured by “less-than-lethal” weapons.
The lawsuit alleges that sheriff’s deputies and police officers used excessive force when they deployed impact munitions, like rubber bullets, as well as explosive tear gas grenades and water cannons against protesters. It argues that the tactics were retaliatory, punishing those involved for exercising free speech rights. It also argues that officers were inadequately trained to handle the situation, naming Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier, Mandan Police Chief Jason Ziegler, and Stutsman County Sheriff Chad Keiser as defendants.
Plaintiffs, represented by the National Lawyers Guild’s Water Protectors Legal Collective, requested a restraining order and preliminary injunction that would bar officers from using such weapons against people protesting the Dakota Access pipeline. The suit awaits a decision from a federal judge on whether to approve class-action status.
The Standing Rock Sioux tribe has been fighting the pipeline in court, arguing that the tribe was not adequately consulted and citing fears that the project will damage sacred sites and contaminate the Missouri river, which provides drinking water to the tribe’s reservation. Thousands of people have flocked to encampments near the project’s river crossing to pray and protest against its completion. Direct actions have been met with increasingly militarized responses from local police and sheriff’s deputies, whose numbers have been padded by National Guard members and officers from departments across the US.
In declarations to the court, pipeline opponents involved in the November 20 clash described in detail the severe injuries they sustained. Most stated that protesters were nonviolent and that they heard no order to disperse.
Vanessa Dundon, a 32-year-old member of the Navajo Nation from Arizona, approached the Backwater bridge as the sun was setting, one of the first people to arrive. She watched as pipeline opponents, who identify as water protectors, removed one of two burned-out trucks that had been blocking the highway since a clash with police at the end of October. Officials had since secured the vehicles to the bridge to act as a barrier preventing people from travelling down the road to reach construction sites. The barrier also required a detour for people trying to get from the Standing Rock Sioux reservation to the cities of Bismarck and Mandan. As she watched, tension began to mount between the protectors and police on the other side of a razorwire roadblock.
“I did not have time to move to avoid being hit by the [tear gas] canister,” she said. “I instinctively closed my eyes and was struck in the right eye by the canister.” As she turned to run away she was shot in the back of her left thigh by what felt like a rubber bullet. She fell to the ground, where two people picked her up and carried her to a minivan. “My eye was bleeding so much that I could not see and I was worried my eyeball was hanging out,” she stated.
Dundon was eventually sent to a specialist in Plymouth, Minnesota. “Dr. Baggins told me the trauma to my eye will likely affect my vision for the rest of my life and it is unclear at this time if I will be able to see out of my right eye again,” she said.
Mariah Marie Bruce, a 21-year-old from New Orleans, arrived to the police line at around the same time as Dundon. It wasn’t long before she was doused with water, her jacket and skirt freezing solid. As tear gas burned her eyes and nose, a flash bang grenade exploded against her genitals. Feeling little pain at first, she stayed in place until the tear gas became too much and she moved toward medics to treat her burning eyes. “As my body began to warmup, I started to feel the pain in my vagina and abdomen. The pain suddenly worsened and I began vomiting and the medics became very concerned,” she stated in a declaration to the court. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital.
David Demo, a 25-year-old living in nearby Cannon Ball, North Dakota, of Penobscott heritage, arrived at the bridge around 9 pm. He moved toward the police line, holding a GoPro camera on a stick. After 30 seconds or so of being sprayed with water, a projectile, possibly a rubber bullet, shot into Demo’s middle finger, which was holding the camera. “I was there to observe what was going on, and continue the protest against the pipeline. I was not threatening the officers,” he declared. In the morning, at the hospital, he was told his knuckles had broken and he would likely need reconstructive surgery.
Israel Hoagland-Lynn, a 42-year-old, from California was shot by a rubber bullet in the top of his head. “I dropped to the ground and lost consciousness,” he said. He came to and was carried by ambulance to a hospital, where he received 17 staples to the head.
Vanessa Bolin Clemens, a paramedic from Virginia and member of the Cherokee Nation, described treating one man for a seizure and administering CPR to another that appeared to be going into cardiac arrest. She described concussions, respiratory injuries, and, in the morning, ringing ears.
The Morton County sheriff’s department noted that one officer was injured by a projectile that night and has maintained that fears of demonstrators overrunning the barricade justified the use of water cannons. None of the three departments named in the suit responded to The Intercept’s requests for comment.
The most serious injury of the evening was sustained by 21-year-old Sophia Wilansky, whose arm was hit by what her father, Wayne Wilansky, described as a “grenade type device.” He said in a statement, “Sophia’s arm will never work normally again. Indeed, her use of the arm will be minimal. Amputation may be required to give her a more functional capacity.” The Morton County sheriff’s department declared that the injury is inconsistent with department tactics and suggested it was the result of an explosion caused by protesters.
On Monday, North Dakota Governor Jack Dalrymple ordered an emergency evacuation of pipeline opponents camped on Army Corps land, citing recent snowfall and harsh conditions in the months ahead. He declared that emergency services to the area, which proved essential little more than a week before, would be reduced.
“I direct state agencies, emergency service officials, and nongovernmental organizations to reduce threats to public safety by not guaranteeing the provision of emergency and other governmental and nongovernmental services in the evacuation area, unless otherwise approved on a case by case basis by the Morton County Sheriff or Superintendent of the Highway Patrol,” he stated. “The general public is hereby notified that emergency services probably will not be available under current winter conditions.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/29/standing-rock-demonstrators-file-class-action-lawsuit-over-police-violence/
These aren't the actions of a democratic government.
Oh and Wolfie, guess where the police were trained.
Pipeline demonstrators injured by rubber bullets, tear gas canisters, and water cannons during a wintry nighttime standoff with police last week filed a class-action lawsuit Monday against the sheriff of the North Dakota county involved. The suit describes in new detail the evening of November 20, when more than 200 people protesting the Dakota Access oil pipeline were injured by “less-than-lethal” weapons.
The lawsuit alleges that sheriff’s deputies and police officers used excessive force when they deployed impact munitions, like rubber bullets, as well as explosive tear gas grenades and water cannons against protesters. It argues that the tactics were retaliatory, punishing those involved for exercising free speech rights. It also argues that officers were inadequately trained to handle the situation, naming Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier, Mandan Police Chief Jason Ziegler, and Stutsman County Sheriff Chad Keiser as defendants.
Plaintiffs, represented by the National Lawyers Guild’s Water Protectors Legal Collective, requested a restraining order and preliminary injunction that would bar officers from using such weapons against people protesting the Dakota Access pipeline. The suit awaits a decision from a federal judge on whether to approve class-action status.
The Standing Rock Sioux tribe has been fighting the pipeline in court, arguing that the tribe was not adequately consulted and citing fears that the project will damage sacred sites and contaminate the Missouri river, which provides drinking water to the tribe’s reservation. Thousands of people have flocked to encampments near the project’s river crossing to pray and protest against its completion. Direct actions have been met with increasingly militarized responses from local police and sheriff’s deputies, whose numbers have been padded by National Guard members and officers from departments across the US.
In declarations to the court, pipeline opponents involved in the November 20 clash described in detail the severe injuries they sustained. Most stated that protesters were nonviolent and that they heard no order to disperse.
Vanessa Dundon, a 32-year-old member of the Navajo Nation from Arizona, approached the Backwater bridge as the sun was setting, one of the first people to arrive. She watched as pipeline opponents, who identify as water protectors, removed one of two burned-out trucks that had been blocking the highway since a clash with police at the end of October. Officials had since secured the vehicles to the bridge to act as a barrier preventing people from travelling down the road to reach construction sites. The barrier also required a detour for people trying to get from the Standing Rock Sioux reservation to the cities of Bismarck and Mandan. As she watched, tension began to mount between the protectors and police on the other side of a razorwire roadblock.
“I did not have time to move to avoid being hit by the [tear gas] canister,” she said. “I instinctively closed my eyes and was struck in the right eye by the canister.” As she turned to run away she was shot in the back of her left thigh by what felt like a rubber bullet. She fell to the ground, where two people picked her up and carried her to a minivan. “My eye was bleeding so much that I could not see and I was worried my eyeball was hanging out,” she stated.
Dundon was eventually sent to a specialist in Plymouth, Minnesota. “Dr. Baggins told me the trauma to my eye will likely affect my vision for the rest of my life and it is unclear at this time if I will be able to see out of my right eye again,” she said.
Mariah Marie Bruce, a 21-year-old from New Orleans, arrived to the police line at around the same time as Dundon. It wasn’t long before she was doused with water, her jacket and skirt freezing solid. As tear gas burned her eyes and nose, a flash bang grenade exploded against her genitals. Feeling little pain at first, she stayed in place until the tear gas became too much and she moved toward medics to treat her burning eyes. “As my body began to warmup, I started to feel the pain in my vagina and abdomen. The pain suddenly worsened and I began vomiting and the medics became very concerned,” she stated in a declaration to the court. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital.
David Demo, a 25-year-old living in nearby Cannon Ball, North Dakota, of Penobscott heritage, arrived at the bridge around 9 pm. He moved toward the police line, holding a GoPro camera on a stick. After 30 seconds or so of being sprayed with water, a projectile, possibly a rubber bullet, shot into Demo’s middle finger, which was holding the camera. “I was there to observe what was going on, and continue the protest against the pipeline. I was not threatening the officers,” he declared. In the morning, at the hospital, he was told his knuckles had broken and he would likely need reconstructive surgery.
Israel Hoagland-Lynn, a 42-year-old, from California was shot by a rubber bullet in the top of his head. “I dropped to the ground and lost consciousness,” he said. He came to and was carried by ambulance to a hospital, where he received 17 staples to the head.
Vanessa Bolin Clemens, a paramedic from Virginia and member of the Cherokee Nation, described treating one man for a seizure and administering CPR to another that appeared to be going into cardiac arrest. She described concussions, respiratory injuries, and, in the morning, ringing ears.
The Morton County sheriff’s department noted that one officer was injured by a projectile that night and has maintained that fears of demonstrators overrunning the barricade justified the use of water cannons. None of the three departments named in the suit responded to The Intercept’s requests for comment.
The most serious injury of the evening was sustained by 21-year-old Sophia Wilansky, whose arm was hit by what her father, Wayne Wilansky, described as a “grenade type device.” He said in a statement, “Sophia’s arm will never work normally again. Indeed, her use of the arm will be minimal. Amputation may be required to give her a more functional capacity.” The Morton County sheriff’s department declared that the injury is inconsistent with department tactics and suggested it was the result of an explosion caused by protesters.
On Monday, North Dakota Governor Jack Dalrymple ordered an emergency evacuation of pipeline opponents camped on Army Corps land, citing recent snowfall and harsh conditions in the months ahead. He declared that emergency services to the area, which proved essential little more than a week before, would be reduced.
“I direct state agencies, emergency service officials, and nongovernmental organizations to reduce threats to public safety by not guaranteeing the provision of emergency and other governmental and nongovernmental services in the evacuation area, unless otherwise approved on a case by case basis by the Morton County Sheriff or Superintendent of the Highway Patrol,” he stated. “The general public is hereby notified that emergency services probably will not be available under current winter conditions.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/29/standing-rock-demonstrators-file-class-action-lawsuit-over-police-violence/
These aren't the actions of a democratic government.
Oh and Wolfie, guess where the police were trained.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Original Quill Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:35 pm
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
WHAT the fuck is the Army doing in there ???
The US shouldn't be allowing a local sheriff's office to call in military help against American citizens attempting to defend their homes..
Seems like nothing has really changed over the last 150 years, when one sees today's local and state authorities behaving the same as their predecessors, using military weapons against a civilian protest ?
Actually, it's not army...it's worse.
For decades now the arms manufacturers have been advancing their products, but until the Iraq war they had no playground to try out their products. Why do you think VP Cheney, a stockholder in Halliburton, lied to get us into war? Briefly, you saw those advertising trailers put out by the arms manufacturers, in the news, riding a cruise missile to target and then...BLAMB! Now the Iraq war is over...Que lástima. How will we ever test 'em?
Since 2000 the Republican Congress has been offering these killing toys to the police departments of America, to help sales and keep the manufacturers frosty. Yes, in effect, they are turning America's police into paramilitary units. You saw that in the televised San Bernardino incident, where tanks and personnel carriers suddenly came on the scene instead of Fords and Dodges.
Well, Mr. Eisenhower predicted the industrial military complex. Gotta feed the ducks somehow.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:38 pm
It's bloody heartbreaking that's what it is, to see people trying to protect their sacred land and to be treated like this because rich white bastards wouldn't have it on their land.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by nicko Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:39 pm
And you talk about the "nasty British Army"
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by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:45 pm
What the fuck are you on about now.
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by Original Quill Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:49 pm
nicko wrote:And you talk about the "nasty British Army"
Remember the Alamo.
Ben will be so proud of you.
Well, I wouldn't call Santa Anna a saint, either. But at least Travis, Bowie and Crockett were fighting for their homeland. Our so-called "Defense" department hasn't done that since June 1942.
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by nicko Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:53 pm
Think about it ,if you don't know, shows how thick you are.
You accuse the British Army of atrocities, now you are having a go at the Americans.
You accuse the British Army of atrocities, now you are having a go at the Americans.
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by nicko Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:55 pm
Quill, put me right if needed, but I thought the Texans had pinched some of Mexico's land?
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nicko wrote:Think about it ,if you don't know, shows how thick you are.
You accuse the British Army of atrocities, now you are having a go at the Americans.
Jeez, what is your problem. Anyone with any conscience is gaving a go about this, even American veterans are going up to support the protesters. Most armies commit atrocities, this is against THEIR OWN PEOPLE, PEACEFULLY PROTESTING.
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by nicko Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:21 pm
What ever.
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nicko wrote:What ever.
Bloody typical, peaceful people being shot, teargassed, doused with high pressure water in freezing cold temperatures and idiots like you say, whatever. They have broken jaws, one has lost an arm and more besides. No wonder the world is in the state it is.
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by Original Quill Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:07 pm
nicko wrote:Quill, put me right if needed, but I thought the Texans had pinched some of Mexico's land?
Wiki wrote:After a decade of political and cultural clashes between the Mexican government and the increasingly large population of American settlers in Texas, hostilities erupted in October 1835. Texians (English-speaking settlers) disagreed on whether the ultimate goal was independence or a return to the Mexican Constitution of 1824. While delegates at the Consultation (provisional government) debated the war's motives, Texians and a flood of volunteers from the United States defeated the small garrisons of Mexican soldiers by mid-December 1835.
The Consultation declined to declare independence and installed an interim government, whose infighting led to political paralysis and a dearth of effective governance in Texas. An ill-conceived proposal to invade Matamoros siphoned much-needed volunteers and provisions from the fledgling Texas army. In March 1836, a second political convention declared independence and appointed leadership for the new Republic of Texas.
Determined to avenge Mexico's honor, President Antonio López de Santa Anna vowed to personally retake Texas. His Army of Operations entered Texas in mid-February 1836 and found the Texians completely unprepared. Mexican General José de Urrea led a contingent of troops on the Goliad Campaign up the Texas coast, defeating all Texian troops in his path and executing most of those who surrendered. Santa Anna led a larger force to San Antonio de Béxar (or Béxar), where his troops defeated the Texian garrison in the Battle of the Alamo, killing almost all of the defenders.
At the time, there was no Mexico to speak of. The Federal Constitution of the United Mexican States of 1824 (Spanish: Constitución Federal de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos de 1824) was enacted on October 4 of 1824, after the overthrow of the Mexican Empire of Agustin de Iturbide. Brigadier Antonio López de Santa Anna initiated an insurrection. In the new constitution, the republic took the name of United Mexican States, and was defined as a representative federal republic, with Catholicism as the official and unique religion.
Rather like the American Revolution, the Texans initially recognized the Mexican authority, but were repeatedly abused under the Constitution of 1824. Hence the Texas Revolution, with Santa Anna, originally an insurgent, in opposition.
Did Texas take the land from Mexico, or did Mexico lose it?
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by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:10 pm
Can we stick to Dakota and Standing Rock.
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by Original Quill Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:08 pm
sassy wrote:Can we stick to Dakota and Standing Rock.
You've done an outstanding job of keeping us appraised of this event, sassy. We'll look for developments. But I don't hold much hope with the Republicans coming in.
Keep in mind that this is the same fracking oil that the Canadian business people are trying to get to European markets. It comes from the Bakken fields...
Wiki wrote:The Bakken Formation /ˈbɑːkən/ is a rock unit from the Late Devonian to Early Mississippian age occupying about 200,000 square miles (520,000 km2) of the subsurface of the Williston Basin, underlying parts of Montana, North Dakota, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
The Dakota Access will run to Patoka, Ill, with a 1,172-mile, 30" pipeline, directly across the Missouri River watershed, where one spill could pollute the entire Missouri and lower Mississippi watershed, including Kansas City, St. Louis, Memphis and New Orleans. The pipeline itself covers North And South Dakota, Iowa and parts of Illinois.
America is self-sufficient in oil and this product is not intended for American markets. Indeed, that's why they need to reach port cities along the Mississippi River and below...it's all about shipping this oil overseas. So this is not self-sufficiency, but capitalist greed.
How much labor is needed to look after a Pipe? There is little or no employment benefit to be derived from the Dakota Access Pipeline. They brag about an employment benefit:
Dakota Access Pipeline wrote:The Dakota Access Pipeline is a $3.7 billion investment that will create 8,000 to 12,000 local jobs during construction. Millions of hours of labor will be needed during the construction phase, putting welders, mechanics, electricians, pipefitters, heavy equipment operators and others within the heavy construction industry to work. There will also be increased demand for those who manufacture the steel pipes, fittings, valves, pumps and control devices necessary for a major pipeline, and local economies along the route will feel direct impact through the expanded use of hotels, motels, restaurants, and other services.
But you are talking about construction, not on-going employment. The economic impact is minimal, and almost disappears after the pipeline is built. So it is putting other people's land in serious risk, threatening the major watershed--second only to the Rhine River--with catastrophe, with no benefit to local economies, all so some foreign investors can make money while doing as little as possible for America.
It's the Republican wet dream: rape the land, and fook all the wimmin.
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by JulesV Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:24 pm
sassy wrote:Apprehension and distrust pervade North Dakota protest site as promises from state that there are no plans to forcibly remove people does little to assuage fears
Police violence against Standing Rock protesters in North Dakota has risen to extraordinary levels, and activists and observers fear that, with two evacuation orders looming, the worst is yet to come.
A litany of munitions, including water cannons, combined with ambiguous government leadership and misleading police statements, have resulted in mass arrests, serious injuries and a deeply sown atmosphere of fear and distrust on the banks of the Missouri river.
Statements by the US Army Corps of Engineers and North Dakota state government that, despite their orders of evacuation, there are no plans to forcibly remove protesters opposing the Dakota Access pipeline have done little to assuage fears.
As the first snows have fallen and more protesters arrive in support, apprehension at the encampments about the coming days is running high.
“We’re going to hope for the absolute best,” said Linda Black Elk, a member of the Catawba Nation who works with the Standing Rock Medic & Healer Council. “If they do attempt to remove people forcibly, we are certainly preparing for mass casualties.”‘An infinite arsenal’
Harkening back to an earlier era, when police in Birmingham, Alabama, attacked African American schoolchildren with dogs and high-pressure water hoses, North Dakota officers trained water cannons on hundreds of Dakota Access pipeline protesters.
On the night of 20 November, though, the temperature was below freezing and the protesters, who call themselves “water protectors”, were camping outdoors for the evening.
Water is just one many “less-than-lethal” munitions that have been trained against the activists.
“They seem to have almost an infinite arsenal of different types of weapons,” said Rachel Lederman, attorney for the National Lawyers Guild (NLG). “I don’t think local law enforcement understands how dangerous they are.”
Police have acknowledged using sponge rounds, bean bag rounds, stinger rounds, teargas grenades, pepper spray, Mace, Tasers and a sound weapon. The explosive teargas grenades in use at Standing Rock have been banned by some US law enforcement agencies because they indiscriminately spray people, Lederman said.
“I feel like Morton County law enforcement is experimenting on us,” Black Elk said. “It’s like they received all this free military equipment and they’re just itching to try it out.”
On Monday, the NLG filed a federal class action lawsuit against the Morton County sheriff’s office, alleging excessive force at the 20 November encounter. The group is seeking a temporary restraining order to bar police from using “less-than-lethal” munitions, chemical agents, sound cannons, and water against activists.
More than two dozen people were hospitalized and 300 injured during the conflict, according to the medic and healer council. One woman’s arm was nearly blown off, according to her father, and the complaint alleges that another woman was shot in the eye, resulting in the detachment of her retina and possible permanent blindness.
“It is only a matter of luck that no one has been killed,” Lederman said about the suit. “This must stop.”‘A messy, messy mess’
North Dakota law enforcement officials have released misleading or blatantly inaccurate statements about protest actions while using charged language to paint peaceful demonstrators as violent threats to public safety.
“There’s a lot of testimony on the part of the police that doesn’t match up with what we are seeing,” said Roberto Borrero, an International Indian Treaty Council representative who assisted the United Nations in an investigation of human rights abuses by law enforcement against Standing Rock activists.
When asked about the water cannons, a sheriff’s spokeswoman initially told the Guardian that protesters were “starting fires”. But footage later emerged showing police aiming the hoses directly at activists. The department subsequently conceded that it had purposefully used water on the protesters.
On Thanksgiving, Morton County sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier released a statement condemning the actions of “paid agitators and protesters” without offering any evidence that people were being paid to fight the pipeline. The department has not responded to requests to substantiate the claim.
In another statement that week, the sheriff said activists were not engaged in “civil disobedience” but were acting like “evil agitators”. The Mandan, North Dakota, police chief, Jason Ziegler, has asserted that law enforcement agencies “can use whatever force necessary to maintain peace”.
Caro Gonzales, a 26-year-old member of the Chemehuevi tribe and an anti-police violence activist in Washington state, said the language from law enforcement officials resembled that used to discredit unarmed black men killed by police.
Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, who fatally shot Michael Brown in 2014, said the unarmed black teenager looked like a “demon”.
“Police and police unions use this language so they can demonize people who are fighting for their rights,” said Gonzales.
A lack of transparency, confusing jurisdictions, and the fact that dozens of law enforcement agencies have assisted the local sheriff’s department further complicate the situation.
The Morton County sheriff’s department has refused to reveal which law enforcement agencies were involved in the 20 November action. But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has assembled a list of 76 different agencies – state, county, and local agencies from North Dakota and nine other states – that have sent officers to the protests.
“There are real concerns about how the Morton County sheriff’s department is exercising command and control,” said Jennifer Cook, policy director for the ACLU of North Dakota. “Who makes the decision about how to police the protest? When you have so many agencies involved, each one is going to have its own training and protocol.”
Adding to the confusion is an exceedingly complicated jurisdictional terrain.
The first Standing Rock encampment, known as Sacred Stone, was established in April on land owned by LaDonna Brave Bull Allard, which sits within the boundaries of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.
But as more activists joined the movement, camps were established north of the reservation border, on land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and leased to a private rancher. While the government asserts that the land falls under its jurisdiction, the Standing Rock Sioux tribe says that it has treaty rights dating from the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie.
Given the complexity, Ronal Serpas, a retired police chief and professor of criminology at Loyola University, said the courts needed to step in and provide direction for law enforcement officers.
“This is what you would call a messy, messy mess,” Serpas said. “It’s unfair for the police to be at the center of that storm.”‘It’s just under the surface’
Many Native Americans involved in the Standing Rock movement ascribe the harsh police tactics to intense racism against indigenous people, both from law enforcement officials and civilians.
Glenn Morris, spokesman for the leadership council of the American Indian Movement of Colorado, said indigenous people in the Standing Rock region were accustomed to mistreatment by police.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation
Rich white people refused to have it on their land, which is why they decided to run it through the sacred land owned by Native Americans.
I was sent a poem to show why it is so sacred. I'd like to share it, it is about what happened on the land and what the Native Americans still commemorate every year.
What the Old Cheyenne Women at Sand Creek Knew
(Sand Creek Massacre: November 29, 1864)
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by Red Hawk
All along the creek bank
they crouched holding the children until the last warrior was dead
and the soldiers turned slowly towards them like men in a bad dream.
The old women knew what was coming.
All along the creek bank
they tore off their shawls, their shirts, their scarves,
anything close at hand and they covered the eyes of the children.
The old women knew that if young children
saw what men in a bad dream could do they would not die a clean death
so they covered the eyes of the children and made no move to run.
The old women knew it was time.
All along the creek bank they sat with their eyes wide open
watching and rocking the swaddled children and when the soldiers opened fire
they tumbled into the creek, the dead children in their arms
with eyes covered so they would not see what men in a bad dream could do.
All along the creek bank
The old women knew how to move from one dream to another
And take the children safely through;
the old women knew what men in a bad dream could do.
“Anybody who knows the history of law enforcement actions in the Dakotas, this is not unusual. But the magnitude of it is extreme,” said Morris, who is the uncle of Red Fawn Fallis, an indigenous protester who was arrested and accused of attempted murder against law enforcement at Standing Rock – a charge her family and supporters strongly deny.
Studies have also found that police kill Native Americans at higher rates than any other racial group, and that indigenous children make up 70% of youth admitted to the federal bureau of prisons despite representing only 1% of the population.
“When someone from Standing Rock goes to Bismarck, we’ll always say, ‘Watch out for the cops,’” said Black Elk, who has lived on the reservation for much of her life.
“The thing is, racism is nothing new here. It has always been there; it’s just bubbling under the surface.”
Hi sassy.
Cut from the same cloth as Thatcher.
Echoes of Orgreave here.
And also, echoes of the showdowns between the miners and police (specially imported from other counties). The police got tons of extra dosh for working overtime and they used to taunt starving striking miners with it.
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Gee, got a huge lump in my throat ...
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Typing a TY for caring enough about this heartfelt topic to bring it out here for discussion ...well, it sure meant a lot to me!
I do appreciate your 'empathy' your true emotional response to any and all mankind's moments of need and to put a voice to things that just need a voice to call attention to the WRONG of it all.
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by Original Quill Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:50 am
Great to see you 4eva. 
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Never say never - HUHOriginal Quill wrote:Great to see you 4eva.
LOL. Good to read you too 
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by 'Wolfie Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:41 am
sassy wrote:
Can we stick to Dakota and Standing Rock.
I HAVE an interesting book here, written by a native-American activist, after a small and localised civil war over there in the 1980s, after the FBI had invaded a reservation, and a small militant group had fought them off, killing a couple of FBI agents...
The book's author was still fighting charges by both the FBI and state governments at the time of its publication..
I will have to dig out that book, later, and put a copy of it's title and details on here, for anyone's possible future reference..
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by Guest Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:36 pm
I still have a 'FREE LEONARD PELTIER' T-Shirt buried in my anti-war archive junk/stuff around here somewhere. We've pushed for his probation/release and have been denied every time.In the Spirit of Crazy Horse
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse is a book by Peter Matthiessen which chronicles "The story of Leonard Peltier and the FBI's war on the American Indian Movement". It was first published in 1983. Leonard Peltier was convicted of murder in 1977 and sentenced to life in prison for the 1975 killing of two FBI agents, after a trial which the author alleges was based on widespread fraud and government misconduct. The book portrays the violent turmoil on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation during that time, including the 1973 'Wounded Knee Incident' and the following "reign of terror", and describes the 1975 'Pine Ridge Shoot–out' or 'Oglala Firefight' and the subsequent trials and their aftermath. Distribution of the book was interrupted for almost a decade while legal challenges against it were resolved.Whatever the nature and degree of his participation at Oglala, the ruthless persecution of Leonard Peltier had less to do with his own actions than with underlying issues of history, racism, and economics, in particular Indian sovereignty claims and growing opposition to massive energy development on treaty lands and dwindling reservations.
He's no saint but he wasn't the ONLY shooter involved in all of that but he became the #1 issue for the FBI to use as their target and put his arse away! He became their focus - their burning butt boil.
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by 'Wolfie Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:46 pm
^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, that's the book...
Thanks for that reference, 4ever..
I reckon sassy, Quill, veya and Ben, among others, could well be interested in reading that story, if they ever get the opportunity..
Yep, that's the book...
Thanks for that reference, 4ever..
I reckon sassy, Quill, veya and Ben, among others, could well be interested in reading that story, if they ever get the opportunity..
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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, that's the book...
Thanks for that reference, 4ever..
I reckon sassy, Quill, veya and Ben, among others, could well be interested in reading that story, if they ever get the opportunity..
Read it. Made many trips to the Pine Ridge (Wounded Knee) reservation. Once met a dog with no hind legs; just threw his arse in the air and walked on two front paws.
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by magica Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:59 pm
I think its appalling that these true people of America are yet again shafted by the government,.
So may lies have been told to them over the past 150 years or so and still governments lie today.
They are treated like scum, and its disgusting. Its their land, the government should stop taking it all bit by bit.
So may lies have been told to them over the past 150 years or so and still governments lie today.
They are treated like scum, and its disgusting. Its their land, the government should stop taking it all bit by bit.
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magica wrote:I think its appalling that these true people of America are yet again shafted by the government,.
So may lies have been told to them over the past 150 years or so and still governments lie today.
They are treated like scum, and its disgusting. Its their land, the government should stop taking it all bit by bit.
Republicans and conservatives. Hopefully, it will change.
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Original Quill wrote:magica wrote:I think its appalling that these true people of America are yet again shafted by the government,.
So may lies have been told to them over the past 150 years or so and still governments lie today.
They are treated like scum, and its disgusting. Its their land, the government should stop taking it all bit by bit.
Republicans and conservatives. Hopefully, it will change.
Actually, anyone regardless of political party affiliation ...well vested in BIG OIL & GAS has a stake in this issue! Koch Oil - Trump Industries - hell even the Queen herself through her vested interest in BP out of Canada!
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by Original Quill Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:04 pm
Koch is Union Oil. Trump is real estate and Sentient Jets and the Queen is BP.
Republicans and Conservatives.
Republicans and Conservatives.
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What is the Queens interest in BP? Do you mean she's a shareholder?
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Well, 'Cheeto-King' is well diversified in his portfolio and his investments filter out far and wide~~~Original Quill wrote:Koch is Union Oil. Trump is real estate and Sentient Jets and the Queen is BP.
Republicans and Conservatives.
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has invested up to $1 million in the energy assets company behind the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline, according to financial records he was required to disclose prior to running for office.
According to his Public Financial Disclosure Report, Trump has investments worth between $500,000 and $1 million in Dallas-based Energy Transfer Partners, whose subsidiary, Dakota Access, is building the four-state crude oil pipeline.
On the form, filed in 2015, he reported making between $15,000 and $50,000 in interest, dividends and capital gains from his investment.
The exact figures of how much Trump has invested in Energy Transfer remains unclear, as the presidential nominee has so far refused to release his taxes, breaking from an election tradition that dates back decades.
Representatives for Energy Transfer Partners and the Trump Campaign did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for further comment today.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-invested-company-controversial-dakota-access-pipeline/story?id=42748326
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by Original Quill Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:25 pm
Ah yes, well...under $100-million for pussy-grabber is chump change (rhymes with 'Trump' change, innit?).
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Original Quill wrote:Ah yes, well...under $100-million for pussy-grabber is chump change (rhymes with 'Trump' change, innit?).
INDEED ...but it really brings to bear his ranting about 'Bombing the hell out of ISIS and just taking control of all the OIL in Iraq' ...he just has zero concept of his mega mouth - the harm his bloviating's, are doing and where the constitution stands on the legality of our right to do such horrid things.
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4EVER2 wrote:Original Quill wrote:Ah yes, well...under $100-million for pussy-grabber is chump change (rhymes with 'Trump' change, innit?).
INDEED ...but it really brings to bear his ranting about 'Bombing the hell out of ISIS and just taking control of all the OIL in Iraq' ...he just has zero concept of his mega mouth - the harm his bloviating's, are doing and where the constitution stands on the legality of our right to do such horrid things.
Yes, but as several commentators point out, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he lies. It doesn't matter whom he insults. It doesn't matter...because violating norms is his shtick. He is the iconoclast...the attacker of cherished beliefs and institutions.
Without his destructive works, he is nobody.
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In your face - 'Cheeto-King' ...the royal finger of fate has just been given to you by the POTUS!
Oh, that felt soooo good! If only for a few weeks!
Oh, that felt soooo good! If only for a few weeks!
Obama Administration Halts Construction Of Dakota Access Pipeline
The “historic” decision comes as thousands of protesters gather on the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.
12/04/2016 05:05 pm ET
The Obama administration has halted construction of the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline amid growing protests that were expected to draw some 2,000 U.S. military veterans.
The Army announced Sunday that it has denied the final easement required for the $3.8 billion project to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota. Instead, it will conduct an Environmental Impact Statement to examine the impacts and explore alternative routes, it said.
“Although we have had continuing discussion and exchanges of new information with Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access, it’s clear that there’s more work to do,” Jo-Ellen Darcy, the Army’s assistant secretary for civil works, said in a statement. “The best way to complete that work responsibly and expeditiously is to explore alternative routes for the pipeline crossing.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-dakota-access-pipeline-halt_us_5844882be4b0c68e04817323
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by 'Wolfie Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:48 am
ONE OF THE WORSE THINGS about many of these enormous and horrendous multinational oil and mining projects these days, is just how short term the lifecycles of so many of their developments are, when compared to overall 'big picture' economic ramifications...
Projects that might be materially 'productive' for only 20, 30 or 40 years.
Where the negative fallouts, communities disrupted, thousands of livelihoods destroyed, and enormous environmental damage, will linger for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years after those responsible have "moved on to greener pastures"..
And all made possible with heavy and undeserved government subsidies, mostly with misused Public monies, and undeserved tax breaks, to ensure that those corporations are maximising their profits in as short a term as possible. And when eventually the 'shit hits the fan' further down the track, the Financiers have their supplicant and compliant gov'ts clawing back more money from the innocent public, via their faux "austerity" measures..
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by scrat Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:09 am
This is the reality of the world we live in, if society is prepared to allow multinationals to rape our land to turn a quick buck, then I fear we will be lost, Militant environmentalists must continue the course, we have Western Europes largest on shore oil field less than 20km from me, and above it on the Purbecks they're hoping to start fracking, a small protestor site has already been set up.WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
ONE OF THE WORSE THINGS about many of these enormous and horrendous multinational oil and mining projects these days, is just how short term the lifecycles of so many of their developments are, when compared to overall 'big picture' economic ramifications...
Projects that might be materially 'productive' for only 20, 30 or 40 years.
Where the negative fallouts, communities disrupted, thousands of livelihoods destroyed, and enormous environmental damage, will linger for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years after those responsible have "moved on to greener pastures"..
And all made possible with heavy and undeserved government subsidies, mostly with misused Public monies, and undeserved tax breaks, to ensure that those corporations are maximising their profits in as short a term as possible. And when eventually the 'shit hits the fan' further down the track, the Financiers have their supplicant and compliant gov'ts clawing back more money from the innocent public, via their faux "austerity" measures..
Government surveillance teams, helicopters and drones, are keeping watch over a dozen or so fluffies, it will be interesting to see the level of reaction when they propose to develop the site next year.
Its a tad harsh I know, but I would remove the citizenship of anyone prepared to allow the fracking of this beautiful island, I think environmentalist action will define the next era.
I think it's important that the public go out and support these protestors and force the government to back off. Immigration is used as a deflection by the state because it knows if enough folk protest over environmental causes their game will be up!
Once you get folk active on a just cause its very difficult for the government to control the agenda, and this is where the trouble will start.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:48 pm
Far too often the all mighty fight for 'mineral rights/mega money profiteering' and the sacrifices that are made and the damage left for those landowners and the environment become the leftovers that we humans leave behind for the children - grand children etc., etc., etc.
There isn't one pipe line running through America currently; not crude oil - not natural gas - not fuel that hasn't had failure and ruined many acres of useable land - contaminated miles of river waterways - and those metal pipe lines weren't meant to be buried for 50+ years without being dug up and replaced ...but that's never - NEVER been done. Metal has a deterioration/failure rate and once buried it expedites that deterioration/failure ratio considerably.
Fracking: the injection well process of forcing chemicals & wastewater back into downhole wells to pressure the crude oil to be pumped up and out of the downhole wells for more profit and to rid the oil company's of a by product that has bio-hazardous waste disposal problems - wasterwater pulled out of those same production oil wells. So Oklahoma opened it's doors and allowed Big Oil to drill more offset disposal wells and 'fracking' became a income for landowners - a method of disposing a bio-hazard for Big Oil - taxable profit for the country & state and WOW, what a win-win situation that all was!!! Until the number of earthquakes started increasing at the same time frame that the number of disposal wells were going on line.
Purple circles = injection wells
Orange Circles = earthquakes
And now as the Gov. of Oklahoma is finally - finally acting on the issues from structural damages done to so many communities that can't afford to rebuild those crumbling roads/bridges/water treatment plants - historic buildings - commercial businesses - residential homes falling apart; he's making the injection well sights shut down for a 'TIME OUT' after one of these 4. - 5.6 earth quakes! Just a lot too late for many ...
SMH ...I've now lived through 3 earthquakes just in the past 3 months - nothing I ever felt that I needed to have on my 'BUCKET LIST'.
I do feel great economic empathy for those coal miners and their history of living that type of career work ...but even with 'Cheeto-Kings' fake/empty promises of 'BRINGING BACK THOSE COAL MINING JOBS' ...he was just blowing smoke. There's now way that that type of industry will see the revival that those families assume will happen ...that type of fuel has come and gone and we are still cleaning up the damage done by the massive process it takes to remove coal out of the earth and what it does to the environment to burn it as well.
There isn't one pipe line running through America currently; not crude oil - not natural gas - not fuel that hasn't had failure and ruined many acres of useable land - contaminated miles of river waterways - and those metal pipe lines weren't meant to be buried for 50+ years without being dug up and replaced ...but that's never - NEVER been done. Metal has a deterioration/failure rate and once buried it expedites that deterioration/failure ratio considerably.
Fracking: the injection well process of forcing chemicals & wastewater back into downhole wells to pressure the crude oil to be pumped up and out of the downhole wells for more profit and to rid the oil company's of a by product that has bio-hazardous waste disposal problems - wasterwater pulled out of those same production oil wells. So Oklahoma opened it's doors and allowed Big Oil to drill more offset disposal wells and 'fracking' became a income for landowners - a method of disposing a bio-hazard for Big Oil - taxable profit for the country & state and WOW, what a win-win situation that all was!!! Until the number of earthquakes started increasing at the same time frame that the number of disposal wells were going on line.
Purple circles = injection wells
Orange Circles = earthquakes
And now as the Gov. of Oklahoma is finally - finally acting on the issues from structural damages done to so many communities that can't afford to rebuild those crumbling roads/bridges/water treatment plants - historic buildings - commercial businesses - residential homes falling apart; he's making the injection well sights shut down for a 'TIME OUT' after one of these 4. - 5.6 earth quakes! Just a lot too late for many ...
SMH ...I've now lived through 3 earthquakes just in the past 3 months - nothing I ever felt that I needed to have on my 'BUCKET LIST'.
I do feel great economic empathy for those coal miners and their history of living that type of career work ...but even with 'Cheeto-Kings' fake/empty promises of 'BRINGING BACK THOSE COAL MINING JOBS' ...he was just blowing smoke. There's now way that that type of industry will see the revival that those families assume will happen ...that type of fuel has come and gone and we are still cleaning up the damage done by the massive process it takes to remove coal out of the earth and what it does to the environment to burn it as well.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:56 pm
At this - this most troubled time in my nations history ...this event was such a moving, much needed thing to have happened. How HONORABLE MEN, can behave in a grand manner and make a simple gesture on behalf of all the white men and that horrid history before them!
Watch: Veterans at Standing Rock ask Native Americans for forgiveness
USA Today Network Josh Hafner , USA TODAY 11:51 a.m. EST December 6, 2016
Chief Leonard Crow Dog, a Lakota spiritual leader, lays his hand upon Wes Clark Jr. in a still from a Facebook video posted by Our Revolution.(Photo: Facebook/Our Revolution)
Thousands of veterans have pledged their support for the protesters at Standing Rock, with hundreds joining those encamped against the Dakota Access pipeline over the weekend. Among them: Wes Clark Jr., the son of Gen. Wesley Clark, who led veterans in an emotional ceremony Monday asking forgiveness for military actions that wronged Natives throughout history.
Clark stood in a formation with other veterans as he spoke.
“Many of us, me particularly, are from the units that have hurt you over the many years,” he said. “We came. We fought you. We took your land. We signed treaties that we broke.”
He continued: “We stole minerals from your sacred hills. We blasted the faces of our presidents onto your sacred mountain. Then we took still more land and then we took your children and then we tried to make your language and we tried to eliminate your language that God gave you, and the Creator gave you. We didn’t respect you, we polluted your Earth, we’ve hurt you in so many ways but we have come to say that we are sorry.”
Then Clark kneeled with the veterans behind him.
“We are at your service, and we beg for your forgiveness.”
Chief Leonard Crow Dog, a Lakota spiritual leader, placed his hand upon Clark’s head.
“We are Lakota Sovereign nation. We were a nation, and we’re still a nation," he said. "We have a language to speak. We have preserved the caretaker position."
The chief added: “We do not own the land. The land owns us.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/06/watch-veterans-standing-rock-ask-native-americans-forgiveness/95038768/
True grace and a really great thing to have done! Amazing how men of real character can find it in their heart to be better than they are perceived, just because they wear a certain uniform - have a certain skin color - speak a certain way!
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:04 pm
I saw that earlier and was going to post it when I got back from the hospital. The most moving thing I have seen in a long time. Absolutely wonderful. Bless them, really bless them.
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Re: Standing Rock protesters hold out against extraordinary police violence
by magica Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:36 pm
How wonderful are the Indians and how great was it for a soldier to go and apologise on behalf of anyone who has fucked them over.
That's why the Indians or natives, are a great people. They stand tall and brave as their ancestors once did.
That's why the Indians or natives, are a great people. They stand tall and brave as their ancestors once did.
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