REMEMBER WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SAID THEY WOULD NOT PRIVATISE THE NHS?

Virgin handed contract to run 200 NHS services as Tories sell off more of our health service

A Tory-led council agreed Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Care could run more than 200 NHS services - and campaigners fear it is the start of the health service being sold off.

Virgin is to become the first private firm to run adult social care after winning a controversial £700million contract.
A Tory-led council last night agreed Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Care could run more than 200 NHS services.
But campaigners fear it is the start of the health service being sold off.
Cllr Eleanor Jackson said: “Make no mistake about it, what has happened here is the beginning of the privatisation of the NHS in this country.
“The Tories have let us all down and everyone should be horrified about this decision.
"Woe betide you getting ill in this area if you are old, disabled or have learning difficulties in the next seven years. It is just a horrifying decision.”
Protesters in the council chamber booed as Bath and North East Somerset councillors voted in favour of the landmark deal.
The decision was approved with 35 votes to 22. It came after a unanimously favourable vote by the council’s NHS Clinical Commissioning Group.
The decision has been the subject of controversy for months.
One protester who descended on the Guildhall in Bath before last night’s vote said: “This could be a huge watershed for healthcare in this country and finally realise the Tory dream of killing off the NHS once for all. We will be vocal in our outrage.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/700m-virgin-social-care-deal-9237399



On top of all the other parts of the NHS that have been handed to him on a plate.

More bollocks from Labour idiots.

So it's not true then, or it is and you can't find anything to say because it shows exactly what this Government is about?

Not bollocks at all - NHS services are being privatized and Branson is a major beneficiary.

And this would've happened anyway under any other government. Don't fool yourselves.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK REALLY, I JUST DECIDED TO BE AN ARSE.

No, it really wouldn't, don't be conned into thinking it would.

nicko wrote:I DON'T GIVE A FUCK REALLY, I JUST DECIDED TO BE AN ARSE.

How very stupid, since you, like me, are ill and rely on the NHS.

eddie wrote:And this would've happened anyway under any other government. Don't fool yourselves.

A Labour government (Attlee) NO - a New Labour government (Blair) YES.

Don't vote for New Labour.

I believe that taxpayer funded public services should be in the public sector and run by govt/councils/civil service etc... that is what we are paying them taxes for...!


But me being a 'far right nutjob'... what do I know...?

Far-right nutjobs sometimes make sense - much like a broken clock gives true time twice a day.

My belief is not comparable to the 1 / 43,200th chance of a broken clock giving the correct time every 12 hours...


It's more of a core component in an expensive Swiss made precision watch movement...!

nicko wrote:I DON'T GIVE A FUCK REALLY, I JUST DECIDED TO BE AN ARSE.

You didn't need to admit that. We already knew.

Tommy Monk wrote:My belief is not comparable to the 1 / 43,200th chance of a broken clock giving the correct time every 12 hours...


It's more of a core component in an expensive Swiss made precision watch movement...!

Either way - on your point re NHS services we agree.

I wasn't just talking about the nhs...

Tommy Monk wrote:I wasn't just talking about the nhs...

I'm happy to extend my agreement to other public services.

So what do you think of the enormous amount of tax payer funded public services handed over to the likes of crapita/serco/g4s by labour govt from 1997-2010...?

Tommy Monk wrote:
So what do you think of the enormous amount of tax payer funded public services handed over to the likes of crapita/serco/g4s by labour govt from 1997-2010...?

I have professional knowledge of transfers to Capita - I could tell you things that would make your hair curl (but I won't).

I opposed hiving off and the like then, and I remain against it now.

So you condemn the labour govt 1997-2010 for having done all this...?

Tommy Monk wrote:So you condemn the labour govt 1997-2010 for having done all this...?

Absolutely - as I did governments before and after.

So you also condemn the opening up of railways to private corporations to run services with taxpayer funds...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

So you also condemn the opening up of railways to private corporations to run services with taxpayer funds...?

Yes.

Ziz wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

So you also condemn the opening up of railways to private corporations to run services with taxpayer funds...?

Yes.

So you are against the eu for their imposition of rules that dictated that our railway networks must be opened up to private corporations that caused and resulted in this happening?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Yes.

So you are against the eu for their imposition of rules that dictated that our railway networks must be opened up to private corporations that caused and resulted in this happening?

If that is what happened, then yes - I do not generally support private profiteering from public funds.

So you are against the eu dictated rules that force the opening up of vast swathes of our public sector to be contracted out to private corporations...?


Eu procurement rules have been doing this for a very long time now...


If you support the eu then you support the privatisation of our public services!!!


Don't tell me that someone as educated and intelligent and involved in govt business as you didn't know this...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:So you are against the eu dictated rules that force the opening up of vast swathes of our public sector to be contracted out to private corporations...?


Eu procurement rules have been doing this for a very long time now...


If you support the eu then you support the privatisation of our public services!!!


Don't tell me that someone as educated and intelligent and involved in govt business as you didn't know this...!?

I'm generally against the privatization of public services whoever promotes it. It does not follow that I should vote to leave the EU simply because I disagree with one or more of its policies.

It is eu rules that are responsible for the forced (and increasingly wide ranging) opening up of our public services to be tendered/handed out to private corporations...


If you are so fundamentally opposed to this... as you have clearly said you are... then why would you carry on supporting it by continuing to support the means by which it being forced upon us...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

It is eu rules that are responsible for the forced (and increasingly wide ranging) opening up of our public services to be tendered/handed out to private corporations...


If you are so fundamentally opposed to this... as you have clearly said you are... then why would you carry on supporting it by continuing to support the means by which it being forced upon us...!?

I'm opposed to many things in the UK too but I don't propose to leave it.

Like what...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Like what...?

I'm not going to list every grievance and complaint here - they will become evident as, and if, I continue to post here.

Try listing some...

Tommy Monk wrote:Try listing some...

Here's one - Brexit.

Leaving the eu is the only way of stopping the imposition of eu rules that force the privatisation of public services.


How can you claim to be opposed to public services being privatised but then support the authority that is imposing the privatisation of public services...!?

quantum thinking Tommy.....

Tommy Monk wrote:Leaving the eu is the only way of stopping the imposition of eu rules that force the privatisation of public services.


How can you claim to be opposed to public services being privatised but then support the authority that is imposing the privatisation of public services...!?

I believe privatisation would have occurred in or out of the EU - but in any event, I favour fighting for reform from within, not running away.

Interestingly eddie said...

And this would've happened anyway under any other government. Don't fool yourselves!



And then pro eu sassy said...

No, it really wouldn't, don't be conned into thinking it would.

But I said it would.

How could it happen here in uk under a sovereign uk parliamentary democracy when none of the electorate has ever voted in favour of any party/govt that has said they will be privatising public services... and when the overwhelming vast majority of the electorate are so strongly against the privatisation of public services... and when all political partys are voicing opposition to privatising of public services...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Interestingly eddie said...

And this would've happened anyway under any other government. Don't fool yourselves!



And then pro eu sassy said...

No, it really wouldn't, don't be conned into thinking it would.

Well I think it would. The world is going that way...they're making us more dependent on working and money. Keeping us busy.

Tommy Monk wrote:

How could it happen here in uk under a sovereign uk parliamentary democracy when none of the electorate has ever voted in favour of any party/govt that has said they will be privatising public services... and when the overwhelming vast majority of the electorate are so strongly against the privatisation of public services... and when all political partys are voicing opposition to privatising of public services...?

Don't recall opposition from Thatcher, Major or Blair.

So you are saying you are in favour of privatising public services now Ziz...?


You were saying you were fundamentally against it earlier...

Tommy Monk wrote:

So you are saying you are in favour of privatising public services now Ziz...?


You were saying you were fundamentally against it earlier...

Mrs Thatcher was - they are her words, not mine.

ANOTHER of the core fundamental aspects of the Free Market/"Supply side"/"Trickle down" Economic Rationalist laissez faire Economic policies that the Thatcher/Reagan years swung on...

Along with their united belief that it isn't the responsibility of government to look after the poor, the unemployed, the disabled and the disadvantaged..

Margaret Thatcher always believed that the "working class"were only there to be used, and abused, as 'factory fodder' and 'cannon fodder';  and that the poor and the disabled and the unemployed should be left to starve in the streets.          

So you are still saying you are against the privatisation of taxpayer funded public services...?


As you said earlier that you dont...

"...support private profiteering from public funds..."


And you are against...

"...the privatization of public services whoever promotes it..."


And when I asked you what you thought about the huge amount of public services handed out to capita/serco/g4s by labour... and if you condemned the 1997-2010 labour govt for it...

You said...

"I opposed hiving off and the like then, and I remain against it now"

And...

"Absolutely - as I did governments before and after"

Tommy Monk wrote:So you are still saying you are against the privatisation of taxpayer funded public services...?


As you said earlier that you dont...

"...support private profiteering from public funds..."


And you are against...

"...the privatization of public services whoever promotes it..."


And when I asked you what you thought about the huge amount of public services handed out to capita/serco/g4s by labour... and if you condemned the 1997-2010 labour govt for it...

You said...

"I opposed hiving off and the like then, and I remain against it now"

And...

"Absolutely - as I did governments before and after"

Correct.

Privatising care services and medical services for our old and infirm will introduce to the system more incapable ejits than we already have.
Don't even bother to think I do not know that which I am talking about.

Ziz wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So you are still saying you are against the privatisation of taxpayer funded public services...?


As you said earlier that you dont...

"...support private profiteering from public funds..."


And you are against...

"...the privatization of public services whoever promotes it..."


And when I asked you what you thought about the huge amount of public services handed out to capita/serco/g4s by labour... and if you condemned the 1997-2010 labour govt for it...

You said...

"I opposed hiving off and the like then, and I remain against it now"

And...

"Absolutely - as I did governments before and after"

Correct.

But you support the eu that is imposing it...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Correct.

But you support the eu that is imposing it...!?

I refer you to my earlier answer.

Ziz wrote:I believe privatisation would have occurred in or out of the EU - but in any event, I favour fighting for reform from within, not running away.

As she explained in her memoirs, Lady Thatcher saw privatisation as “fundamental to improving Britain’s economic performance”. But it also chimed with her political ideology.
“It was one of the central means of reversing the corrosive and corrupting effects of socialism,” she declared, adding: “Just as nationalisation was at the heart of the collectivist programme by which Labour governments sought to remodel British society, so privatisation is at the centre of any programme of reclaiming territory for freedom.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/alistair-osborne/9980292/Margaret-Thatcher-one-policy-that-led-to-more-than-50-companies-being-sold-or-privatised.html

Not if we had a govt that was not being ordered to be doing it by the eu!!!