And so it begins: Donald Trump's victory followed by wave of hate crime attacks against minorities across US - led by his supporters

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Police are investigating a wave of alleged hate crimes against Muslims, Hispanic Americans, black people, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in the wake of the US election.
Attackers professing support for Donald Trump have been accused of numerous attacks in the 24 hours following his shock victory, including death threats, physical assaults and racist graffiti.

Several Muslim women have reported Trump supporters attempting to rip off their hijabs, which cover the hair, while others said their families have advised them to stop wearing headscarves in fear of further attacks.
Maha Abdul Gawad said she was shopping in a local Wallmart on Wednesday when another woman approached, pulled off her hijab and said: “This is not allowed anymore, so go hang yourself with it around your neck not on your head.”
Numerous incidents were also reported in schools, with students saying Muslim girls had taken off their hijabs to avoid abuse or had them forcibly removed, and teachers describing comforting crying children afraid their families would be deported.
Mackenzie Rae, from Washington, shared a message she received from a friend who works at a high school in Kansas on Wednesday.
It said: “We have two kids wearing Trump shirts pull a hijab off a Muslim girl today at school. OSS [out-of-school suspension] for five days.

“When asked why? ‘Because she’s about to get kicked out anyway and we won.’”

Have you been a victim of hate crime following the US election? Email Andrew Buncombe at A.Buncombe@independent.co.uk

 
A spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations told The Independent there were “tremendous levels of fear given the anti-Muslim rhetoric we have seen from Donald Trump during this campaign”.
“This rhetoric is nothing new,” he added. “What is new is how far he has gone with it. That is the shocking thing.”
There have also been numerous reports of black people being verbally and physically abused by people expressing support for the President-elect.
A woman in Delaware described overhearing four white men near her at a petrol station discussing Mr Trump’s victory and “how they’re glad they won’t have to deal with n*****s much longer”. 
“One walked over to me and said ‘how scared are you, you black b****? I should just kill you right now, you’re a waste of air’,” she wrote.
“Then another guy steps forward and shows me his firearm. He says: ‘You’re lucky there’s witnesses or else I’d shoot you right here.’ I have called the police.”
Natasha, a student from the Christian Baylor University in Texas, said she was walking home from a class when a man shoved her off the pavement.
“He said ‘no n*****s allowed on the sidewalk’. I was shocked, I had no words,” she said in a video posted on social media.
“Another guy said ‘dude, what are you doing? That’s not cool’. The guy said: ‘I’m just trying to Make America Great Again’.”

Racist graffiti left on a toilet door at Maple Grove Senior High School, Minnesota, on 9 November (Facebook)
Many victims were documenting their experiences on Facebook, with a black woman in Bloomington, Indiana, describing how she was talking into a shop when white men in a passing lorry hurled abuse.
“As they sped their truck up on me, they rolled their window down and yelled: ‘F*** you n***** b****,” she wrote.
“Trump is going to deport you back to Africa'. In my 33 years of live, I’ve never had blatant racism shown to me than in that moment.”
Elsewhere, a woman jogging in Bloomingdale, Florida, was told to “go back to Africa” by a passer-by, and graffiti at a school in Minnesota read “fuck n*****s #whitesonly #whiteamerica #trump”.
Bart Becker, the principal of Maple Grove Senior High School, wrote a letter to students and parents saying the “serious and disturbing racial incident” was under investigation.
“This incident is additional evidence of the pressing need in our schools, our community and our nation to find ways to talk about race constructively and respectfully,” he added.
Hispanic Americans and those of perceived Mexican heritage were also being targeted, with a woman saying an “older white man” threatened to sexually assault her and threw water over her hours after the election result.
“I was harassed by an older white man who presumed I was Mexican,” Rhio Oracion wrote.
“[He said]: ‘I can’t wait until Trump asks us to rape your people and send you back over the biggest damn wall we’re going to build. Go back to hell, wet back’. 
“After saying all of that, he threw the water in his cup in my face, gave me the middle finger, and ran off.
“I’m in tears right now. I’ve never been terrified of being a woman and a minority until today.”

There were also fears of an upsurge in attacks against the LGBT community.
“Can't wait until your 'marriage' is overturned by a real president,” read a sign left on a car in North Carolina. Gay families = burn in hell. Trump 2016.”
A gay man was smashed over the head with a beer bottle by men shouting homophobic slurs on election night, the Calgary Metro reported.
Mr Ball said he was in a bar in Santa Monica when the attackers shouted "We got a new President you f***ing f****ts", before assaulting him in a nearby alley.
A friend said Mr Ball was treated at accident and emergency and dismissed accusations from Trump supporters claiming a photo showing him drenched in blood was faked.
“This was an act of hate,” he added. “Let’s not let hate overpower our lives.”

Chris Ball, a fim producer from Calgary, was attacked by men shouting homophobic slurs in Santa Monica on the night of the US election (Valerie Siu/Twitter)
Days before the election, a transgender woman's truck was spray painted with the words “Trump” and set on fire in her driveway as she and her three-year-old son were inside their home in Tennessee.
The FBI defines hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity”.
There is widespread concern that the US could mirror a surge in hate crime following Britain’s vote to leave the European Union, with analysts suggesting attackers may feel emboldened by Mr Trump’s election following his campaign statements on Muslims, Mexican “rapists and criminals” and promises of mass deportations.
The National Police Chiefs’ Council reported a 57 per cent rise in hate crime reports in the four days after the referendum in June, with the Metropolitan Police in London saying the figures have since subsided – but to a level higher than before the vote.

Thousands of protesters were taking to the streets in cities across the US on Thursday in protest against Mr Trump’s election and policies, with attacks on his supporters also being reported.
Following a divisive campaign, the President-elect made an uncharacteristic call for unity in his victory speech.
“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division…I say it is time for us to come together as one united people,” he told supporters including a man who appeared to shout “Kill Obama!”.
“I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be President for all Americans.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-president-supporters-attack-Muslims-hijab-hispanics-lgbt-hate-crime-wave-us-election-a7410166.html

There have also been reports of disabled people being targeted.


So it begins, 1930s Germany all over again.  Why do people never learn.

Wolfie.

You really post some tripe.

You do not know who is responsible for these actions thousandz of miles away.

Calling for Tommy to be benned is out of order.

Trump, Tommy, myself and othuz want the best for our countriz, simpul really.

Your ANTI British stance is treacherous IMHO

What doest thou want for this island that most of us treasure????????????

Eilzel wrote:
So do you think these are all fake?
And what is the gain if it is propaganda?

Of course they're all "fake"...
On Planet Tommy, that is..

Where every image that doesn't fit the Tommy/Major view of how the world should be; (not how it actually is..), must by default be staged or "photoshopped";  (even if those racist twats don't even know what Photoshop actually is..)..          

The same arrogant hatemongering that fuels Tommy and Major's daily idiotic rants is clearly what is fuelling all of this racist/KKK outrage in the USA --  by equally rancid and odious little neo-nazi grubs (Tommy's kindred arseholes --  hence he and Major cheering them on..).

And, I'm also willing to bet that most of those racist goons didn't even vote, anyways  !!!![/i]

Tommy Monk wrote:Come on eddie... see the propaganda for what it is...

I don't doubt some stories are made to inflame but I believe that most of these happened.
So you explain to me why you have no sympathy.

I don't believe most of these stories... and Raggs has already shown one to be completely made up...


It would be easy for a bitter clinton supporter to write a few things on a door or even photoshopping it, and then take a photo claiming it was a trump supporters who did it...


And at the end of thd day... it's just some twat writing a few stupid things on the inside of a toilet door...


Are you going to tell me that no idiot has ever written something stupid on a bog door before trump won election?


Sassy is known for lies and spin... her Facebook based wall of waffle is highly dubious to say the least...


I do have a bit of sympathy though... for her being such a deranged old bat...!

Does anyone have any sympathy for the Trump supporters who have been allegedly attacked, or do you all think they deserved it?

The abuse hurled at Tommy on this thread is fairly typical of lefties.

Tommy is clearly saying that social media isn't necessarily a very reliable source of information, that incidents can be exaggerated or even invented. That's really not grounds to abuse him.

Raggamuffin wrote:The abuse hurled at Tommy on this thread is fairly typical of lefties.

Tommy is clearly saying that social media isn't necessarily a very reliable source of information, that incidents can be exaggerated or even invented. That's really not grounds to abuse him.

Precisely Raggs... well put... thanks!

And the irony of lefties complaining about abuse when they dish out so much abuse themselves is quite remarkable!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The abuse hurled at Tommy on this thread is fairly typical of lefties.

Tommy is clearly saying that social media isn't necessarily a very reliable source of information, that incidents can be exaggerated or even invented. That's really not grounds to abuse him.

Precisely Raggs... well put... thanks!

And the irony of lefties complaining about abuse when they dish out so much abuse themselves is quite remarkable!

Well yes. They complain about people allegedly saying mean things, and then they say mean things themselves.

Yep, you'd definitely be the ones in Germany saying it was all made up when the Gestapo were carting away the disabled, gays, the Romany and Jews.

Schoolkids chanting IN CLASS 'build the wall, build the wall' to Latinos in their school, all taped and the school taking action.   Where the hell to you think they learned that from?   From their racist disgusting Trump supporting parents.

Usual patter - all lies, made up nonsense.

It isn't.

Gotta go - be back later.

Me too.

sassy wrote:Police are investigating a wave of alleged hate crimes against Muslims, Hispanic Americans, black people, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in the wake of the US election.
Attackers professing support for Donald Trump have been accused of numerous attacks in the 24 hours following his shock victory, including death threats, physical assaults and racist graffiti.

Several Muslim women have reported Trump supporters attempting to rip off their hijabs, which cover the hair, while others said their families have advised them to stop wearing headscarves in fear of further attacks.
Maha Abdul Gawad said she was shopping in a local Wallmart on Wednesday when another woman approached, pulled off her hijab and said: “This is not allowed anymore, so go hang yourself with it around your neck not on your head.”
Numerous incidents were also reported in schools, with students saying Muslim girls had taken off their hijabs to avoid abuse or had them forcibly removed, and teachers describing comforting crying children afraid their families would be deported.
Mackenzie Rae, from Washington, shared a message she received from a friend who works at a high school in Kansas on Wednesday.
It said: “We have two kids wearing Trump shirts pull a hijab off a Muslim girl today at school. OSS [out-of-school suspension] for five days.

“When asked why? ‘Because she’s about to get kicked out anyway and we won.’”

Have you been a victim of hate crime following the US election? Email Andrew Buncombe at A.Buncombe@independent.co.uk

 
A spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations told The Independent there were “tremendous levels of fear given the anti-Muslim rhetoric we have seen from Donald Trump during this campaign”.
“This rhetoric is nothing new,” he added. “What is new is how far he has gone with it. That is the shocking thing.”
There have also been numerous reports of black people being verbally and physically abused by people expressing support for the President-elect.
A woman in Delaware described overhearing four white men near her at a petrol station discussing Mr Trump’s victory and “how they’re glad they won’t have to deal with n*****s much longer”. 
“One walked over to me and said ‘how scared are you, you black b****? I should just kill you right now, you’re a waste of air’,” she wrote.
“Then another guy steps forward and shows me his firearm. He says: ‘You’re lucky there’s witnesses or else I’d shoot you right here.’ I have called the police.”
Natasha, a student from the Christian Baylor University in Texas, said she was walking home from a class when a man shoved her off the pavement.
“He said ‘no n*****s allowed on the sidewalk’. I was shocked, I had no words,” she said in a video posted on social media.
“Another guy said ‘dude, what are you doing? That’s not cool’. The guy said: ‘I’m just trying to Make America Great Again’.”

Racist graffiti left on a toilet door at Maple Grove Senior High School, Minnesota, on 9 November (Facebook)
Many victims were documenting their experiences on Facebook, with a black woman in Bloomington, Indiana, describing how she was talking into a shop when white men in a passing lorry hurled abuse.
“As they sped their truck up on me, they rolled their window down and yelled: ‘F*** you n***** b****,” she wrote.
“Trump is going to deport you back to Africa'. In my 33 years of live, I’ve never had blatant racism shown to me than in that moment.”
Elsewhere, a woman jogging in Bloomingdale, Florida, was told to “go back to Africa” by a passer-by, and graffiti at a school in Minnesota read “fuck n*****s #whitesonly #whiteamerica #trump”.
Bart Becker, the principal of Maple Grove Senior High School, wrote a letter to students and parents saying the “serious and disturbing racial incident” was under investigation.
“This incident is additional evidence of the pressing need in our schools, our community and our nation to find ways to talk about race constructively and respectfully,” he added.
Hispanic Americans and those of perceived Mexican heritage were also being targeted, with a woman saying an “older white man” threatened to sexually assault her and threw water over her hours after the election result.
“I was harassed by an older white man who presumed I was Mexican,” Rhio Oracion wrote.
“[He said]: ‘I can’t wait until Trump asks us to rape your people and send you back over the biggest damn wall we’re going to build. Go back to hell, wet back’. 
“After saying all of that, he threw the water in his cup in my face, gave me the middle finger, and ran off.
“I’m in tears right now. I’ve never been terrified of being a woman and a minority until today.”

There were also fears of an upsurge in attacks against the LGBT community.
“Can't wait until your 'marriage' is overturned by a real president,” read a sign left on a car in North Carolina. Gay families = burn in hell. Trump 2016.”
A gay man was smashed over the head with a beer bottle by men shouting homophobic slurs on election night, the Calgary Metro reported.
Mr Ball said he was in a bar in Santa Monica when the attackers shouted "We got a new President you f***ing f****ts", before assaulting him in a nearby alley.
A friend said Mr Ball was treated at accident and emergency and dismissed accusations from Trump supporters claiming a photo showing him drenched in blood was faked.
“This was an act of hate,” he added. “Let’s not let hate overpower our lives.”

Chris Ball, a fim producer from Calgary, was attacked by men shouting homophobic slurs in Santa Monica on the night of the US election (Valerie Siu/Twitter)
Days before the election, a transgender woman's truck was spray painted with the words “Trump” and set on fire in her driveway as she and her three-year-old son were inside their home in Tennessee.
The FBI defines hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity”.
There is widespread concern that the US could mirror a surge in hate crime following Britain’s vote to leave the European Union, with analysts suggesting attackers may feel emboldened by Mr Trump’s election following his campaign statements on Muslims, Mexican “rapists and criminals” and promises of mass deportations.
The National Police Chiefs’ Council reported a 57 per cent rise in hate crime reports in the four days after the referendum in June, with the Metropolitan Police in London saying the figures have since subsided – but to a level higher than before the vote.

Thousands of protesters were taking to the streets in cities across the US on Thursday in protest against Mr Trump’s election and policies, with attacks on his supporters also being reported.
Following a divisive campaign, the President-elect made an uncharacteristic call for unity in his victory speech.
“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division…I say it is time for us to come together as one united people,” he told supporters including a man who appeared to shout “Kill Obama!”.
“I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be President for all Americans.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-president-supporters-attack-Muslims-hijab-hispanics-lgbt-hate-crime-wave-us-election-a7410166.html

There have also been reports of disabled people being targeted.


So it begins, 1930s Germany all over again.  Why do people never learn.

the picture you post of a man supposedly attacked by trump supporters is actually of a person involved in film special effects. If you think its real then it shows your judgement is not very good.
but then it is in the independent.

sassy wrote:Yep, you'd definitely be the ones in Germany saying it was all made up when the Gestapo were carting away the disabled, gays, the Romany and Jews.

Schoolkids chanting IN CLASS 'build the wall, build the wall' to Latinos in their school, all taped and the school taking action.   Where the hell to you think they learned that from?   From their racist disgusting Trump supporting parents.

the only ones acting like the nazi's are the snowflakes who cant accept the result of the election.
they are the ones destroying property and beating up people. surely you have seen the video of a group of young black men attacking an elderly gent at some traffic lights for voting trump, or the mother that humiliates her 7 year old and packs his bags and makes him wear a sign all because he had the temerity to vote for trump at a school election.
if you didn't see it, here you go


now tell me who are the compassionate ones.

Sassy believes all the old shite she sees on Facebook...!!!

The Devil, You Know wrote:

sassy wrote:Yep, you'd definitely be the ones in Germany saying it was all made up when the Gestapo were carting away the disabled, gays, the Romany and Jews.

Schoolkids chanting IN CLASS 'build the wall, build the wall' to Latinos in their school, all taped and the school taking action.   Where the hell to you think they learned that from?   From their racist disgusting Trump supporting parents.

the only ones acting like the nazi's are the snowflakes who cant accept the result of the election.
they are the ones destroying property and beating up people. surely you have seen the video of a group of young black men attacking an elderly gent at some traffic lights for voting trump, or the mother that humiliates her 7 year old and packs his bags and makes him wear a sign all because he had the temerity to vote for trump at a school election.
if you didn't see it, here you go


now tell me who are the compassionate ones.

Come on Flap..  don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of left wing bullshit...!


And lefties... assume the standard position of looking away and putting fingers in ears singing 'la la la la la'...

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the only ones acting like the nazi's are the snowflakes who cant accept the result of the election.
they are the ones destroying property and beating up people. surely you have seen the video of a group of young black men attacking an elderly gent at some traffic lights for voting trump, or the mother that humiliates her 7 year old and packs his bags and makes him wear a sign all because he had the temerity to vote for trump at a school election.
if you didn't see it, here you go


now tell me who are the compassionate ones.

Coney on Flap..  don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of left wing bullshit...!


And lefties... assume the standard position of looking away and putting fingers in ears singing 'la la la la la'...

I am sure that there have been some "hate" crimes from those who supported trump, knob heads are not the exclusive preserve of the democrats after all, but many of these claimed "hate" crimes have already been shown to be false.

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the picture you post of a man supposedly attacked by trump supporters is actually of a person involved in film special effects. If you think its real then it shows your judgement is not very good.
but then it is in the independent.

The man who was allegedly attacked outside a bar didn't actually report the incident to the police. His friend posted about the incident on Facebook, along with photos. The police spent some time trying to track down Chris Ball so they could get some details of the alleged attack, including contacting local hospitals. Instead of the man contacting the police, he either posted a letter he got from the hospital or he sent it to the press - it's not clear. Why didn't he just report the attack to the police?

I'm surprised that the injury turned out to be fairly superficial, given the amount of blood. There's no mention of him being attacked in the hospital letter either.

I'm not saying the attack didn't happen just as he said it did, but stories on Facebook, You Tube, and other social media really need to be verified. That goes for both sides.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the picture you post of a man supposedly attacked by trump supporters is actually of a person involved in film special effects. If you think its real then it shows your judgement is not very good.
but then it is in the independent.

The man who was allegedly attacked outside a bar didn't actually report the incident to the police. His friend posted about the incident on Facebook, along with photos. The police spent some time trying to track down Chris Ball so they could get some details of the alleged attack, including contacting local hospitals. Instead of the man contacting the police, he either posted a letter he got from the hospital or he sent it to the press - it's not clear. Why didn't he just report the attack to the police?

I'm surprised that the injury turned out to be fairly superficial, given the amount of blood. There's no mention of him being attacked in the hospital letter either.

I'm not saying the attack didn't happen just as he said it did, but stories on Facebook, You Tube, and other social media really need to be verified. That goes for both sides.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html

that picture is an obvious fake.

Lies and spin... media whipping it up... lefties lapping it up...


People need to do some growing up!!!

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The man who was allegedly attacked outside a bar didn't actually report the incident to the police. His friend posted about the incident on Facebook, along with photos. The police spent some time trying to track down Chris Ball so they could get some details of the alleged attack, including contacting local hospitals. Instead of the man contacting the police, he either posted a letter he got from the hospital or he sent it to the press - it's not clear. Why didn't he just report the attack to the police?

I'm surprised that the injury turned out to be fairly superficial, given the amount of blood. There's no mention of him being attacked in the hospital letter either.

I'm not saying the attack didn't happen just as he said it did, but stories on Facebook, You Tube, and other social media really need to be verified. That goes for both sides.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html

that picture is an obvious fake.

What about the hospital letter though? It looks genuine enough.

WHITE supremacists around here, like TDYK, Ragg's and company disgrace themselves that little bit more,  every time they pipe up in support and defence for their resident "snowflake" racist spruikers Tommy and Major on here...

Pathetic xenophobic twits, the lot of them..          

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Do be

WHITE supremacists around here, like TDYK, Ragg's and company disgrace themselves that little bit more,  every time they pipe up in support and defence for their resident "snowflake" racist spruikers Tommy and Major on here...

Pathetic xenophobic twits, the lot of them..          

Do be quiet, vacuous one - the adults are discussing important issues.

eddie wrote:You're right, I'm sorry. I'm being an arse and it's not you I'm pissed off with, it's Tommy.
I've had lack of food and sleep. No excuse really.

That's OK. You'll find that some lefties on here will dismiss anything on social media which doesn't support their view that anti-Trumpers are anything but virtuous people, so perhaps you should be annoyed with them too.

eddie wrote:You're right, I'm sorry. I'm being an arse and it's not you I'm pissed off with, it's Tommy.
I've had lack of food and sleep. No excuse really.

Why do I always get the blame...?





People get pissed off with me because they don't like what I say... but can't prove me wrong... because deep down they know I'm right!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Maybe you should ask this liar what her motivation was...

http://wgno.com/2016/11/10/police-lafayette-student-lied-about-being-robbed-of-wallet-hijab-by-trump-supporters/

And sassy's list of incidents... lot of Facebook based waffle...

While the truth is that Democrat supporters are the ones who have been kicking off and causing trouble...

I prefer to be a passive observer in political arguments, rather than actually participating, and I would probably not even have posted in this thread if you had taken the time and trouble to say all this initially, ... instead of lazily and rudely dismissing her entire OP as 'drivel'.

And my question to you was genuine, cos a person who consistently uses nazi avvies and never expresses feelings of empathy or kindness under any circumstances, comes across as freakishly one dimensional, to me.

Al Jolson was not a Nazi or a racist... he did many great things for black Americans back in the day!


And I was thinking of Ben when I thought of using the 'Hitler pussy' avi after he banned my al Jolson avi after a I had been using it for a year with no real problem with it...


In fact the avi that was banned was one that had previously been modified and approved for use here by admin!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:
Lies and spin... media whipping it up... lefties lapping it up...


People need to do some growing up!!!

You were quite happy to ''lap up''  an incredibly fake video which ... ahem ... proved Clinton suffers from epilepsy.
You're telling people to "grow up" but even kids who aren't yet grown up would have seen how bogus that video was.
I'm certain that in some people's eyes, that destroyed your credibility and integrity for ever.
A true cynic is cynical about everything, he doesn't just cherrypick whatever fits his ideologies.

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Maybe you should ask this liar what her motivation was...

http://wgno.com/2016/11/10/police-lafayette-student-lied-about-being-robbed-of-wallet-hijab-by-trump-supporters/

And sassy's list of incidents... lot of Facebook based waffle...

While the truth is that Democrat supporters are the ones who have been kicking off and causing trouble...

I prefer to be a passive observer in political arguments, rather than actually participating, and I would probably not even have posted in this thread if you had taken the time and trouble to say all this initially, ... instead of lazily and rudely dismissing her entire OP as 'drivel'.

And my question to you was genuine,  cos a person who consistently uses nazi avvies  and never expresses feelings of empathy or kindness under any circumstances, comes across as freakishly one dimensional, to me.

This had already been said on thread .. the link was also posted at least twice before too!!!

Myself, I can be as cynical as anyone else, my previous sig said "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". I saw that blood-splattered gay guy's photo in other forums before I saw it in this thread, and the first thing I thought was ... 'is it fake blood?'. It's very easy to fake, any red liquid will do, and I've seen that happen a lot, so personally I did not automatically believe everything (I never do).

No one knows for sure what's true but hey, you could say that about pretty much anything that gets posted online anyway.
Just because you've no proof that it's true, that does not mean you should be automatically dismissive, or stony-hearted.

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Lies and spin... media whipping it up... lefties lapping it up...


People need to do some growing up!!!

You were quite happy to ''lap up''  an incredibly fake video which ... ahem ... proved Clinton suffers from epilepsy.
You're telling people to "grow up" but even kids who aren't yet grown up would have seen how bogus that video was.
I'm certain that in some people's eyes, that destroyed your credibility and integrity for ever.
A true cynic is cynical about everything, he doesn't just cherrypick whatever fits his ideologies.

It wasn't about having epilepsy... it was about having seizures possibly caused by a degenerative brain condition and linked to her previous well known brain injury...


Please try to keep up with what's actually being said if you are going to try arguing against it...

Jules wrote:Myself, I can be as cynical as anyone else, my previous sig said "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".  I saw that blood-splattered gay guy's photo in other forums before I saw it in this thread,  and the first thing I thought was ... 'is it fake blood?'. It's very easy to fake, any red liquid will do, and I've seen that happen a lot, so personally I did not automatically believe everything (I never do).

No one knows for sure what's true but hey, you could say that about pretty much anything that gets posted online anyway.
Just because you've no proof that it's true, that does not mean you should be automatically dismissive, or stony-hearted.  

If you think that the blood might be fake, how can you judge anyone else for not automatically believing the other stories, which are largely hearsay?

Raggamuffin wrote:The abuse hurled at Tommy on this thread is fairly typical of lefties.

When you get over your distress at the sight of the poor, delicate little lamb Tommy being picked on, and you dry your salty tears, you will see a big irony that clearly escaped you the first time round. > >

The first words of abuse in this thread came from the sainted angelic Tommy himself -
"tiresome cretin" he called the OP.
This wasn't even during an argument, there was no provocation of any kind, and it was only two posts in.
(His first post being to dismiss the entire post as "drivel". )


My own post to him contains no insult, when I insult people, they know about it!
My post contained a genuine question and he has at least attempted to answer it.
Maybe you should give your RW darlings a chance to answer questions before you swoop in on your white charger??? They're all big boys after all, they can look after themselves.
Just a thought, eh.

sassy wrote:Oh, I'm quite sure you find people being attacked for their race or sexuality drivel, and I'm quite sure you would have been at home in Germany in the 1930s.

My "tiresome cretin" post was in reply to this above post from sassy...


And I'm still waiting for you to show us the 'two men in blacked up faces' that you claimed before...?

And in answer to your question... I don't care how I 'come across' to you or anyone else... all I care about is that what I say is true...!


And that anyone can check out what I say and see for themselves that it is...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Al Jolson was not a Nazi or a racist... he did many great things for black Americans back in the day!

And I was thinking of Ben when I thought of using the 'Hitler pussy' avi after he banned my al Jolson avi after a I had been using it for a year with no real problem with it...

In fact the avi that was banned was one that had previously been modified and approved for use here by admin!!

You don't know fuck all about Al Jolsen, but I agree he was not particularly a racist.  But what do his motives have to do with yours?  You pick up his image and transpose it to promote a racist message.  

The fact that you turned Jolsen's non-racist message into a racist message means you are the sole racist in this plot.  Don't hide behind his knickers.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The abuse hurled at Tommy on this thread is fairly typical of lefties.

When you get over your distress at the sight of the poor, delicate little lamb Tommy being picked on, and you dry your salty tears,  you will see a big irony that clearly escaped you the first time round. > >

The first words of abuse in this thread came from the sainted angelic Tommy himself -
"tiresome cretin" he called the OP.
This wasn't even during an argument, there was no provocation of any kind, and it was only two posts in.
(His first post being to dismiss the entire post as "drivel". )


My own post to him contains no insult, when I insult people, they know about it!
My post contained a genuine question and he has at least attempted to answer it.
Maybe you should give your RW darlings a chance to answer questions before you swoop in on your white charger??? They're all big boys after all, they can look after themselves.
Just a thought, eh.  

When you get over your self-righteous, arrogant, "look at me", attitude and your absurd rant at Tommy, take a look at why he said that. He was compared to a Nazi just because he didn't automatically believe the stuff on social media. I would say that he was provoked.

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:Oh, I'm quite sure you find people being attacked for their race or sexuality drivel, and I'm quite sure you would have been at home in Germany in the 1930s.

My "tiresome cretin" post was in reply to this above post from sassy...


And I'm still waiting for you to show us the 'two men in blacked up faces' that you claimed before...?

The pic is in the opening post, the two people smirking in front of the confederate flag, as you well know.
Don't worry about it, in fact don't worry about anything.
It does not matter and have a nice weekend, Carpe diem & all that.

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


My "tiresome cretin" post was in reply to this above post from sassy...


And I'm still waiting for you to show us the 'two men in blacked up faces' that you claimed before...?

The pic is in the opening post, the two people smirking in front of the confederate flag, as you well know.
Don't worry about it, in fact don't worry about anything.
It does not matter  and have a nice weekend,  Carpe diem & all that.

One of them is clearly a woman.

And they are wearing mud pack/beauty cream...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Al Jolson was not a Nazi or a racist... he did many great things for black Americans back in the day!

And I was thinking of Ben when I thought of using the 'Hitler pussy' avi after he banned my al Jolson avi after a I had been using it for a year with no real problem with it...

In fact the avi that was banned was one that had previously been modified and approved for use here by admin!!

You don't know fuck all about Al Jolsen, but I agree he was not particularly a racist.  But what do his motives have to do with yours?  You pick up his image and transpose it to promote a racist message.  

The fact that you turned Jolsen's non-racist message into a racist message means you are the sole racist in this plot.  Don't hide behind his knickers.

I know enough about him... enough to know that he was not a racist although some like to say he is...!


That's what it has to do with me!!!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:

When you get over your distress at the sight of the poor, delicate little lamb Tommy being picked on, and you dry your salty tears,  you will see a big irony that clearly escaped you the first time round. > >

The first words of abuse in this thread came from the sainted angelic Tommy himself -
"tiresome cretin" he called the OP.
This wasn't even during an argument, there was no provocation of any kind, and it was only two posts in.
(His first post being to dismiss the entire post as "drivel". )


My own post to him contains no insult, when I insult people, they know about it!
My post contained a genuine question and he has at least attempted to answer it.
Maybe you should give your RW darlings a chance to answer questions before you swoop in on your white charger??? They're all big boys after all, they can look after themselves.
Just a thought, eh.  

When you get over your self-righteous, arrogant, "look at me", attitude ...

Someone put the "right" in righteous, & it sure wasn't me...
"look at me" attitude??" - it wasn't my post count that got a special award for going thru the roof, but hey ho, whatever...

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

When you get over your self-righteous, arrogant, "look at me", attitude ...

Someone put the "right" in righteous, & it sure wasn't me...
 "look at me" attitude??"  - it wasn't my post count that got a special award for going thru the roof, but hey ho, whatever...

How about you just stop disrupting the thread by banging on about Tommy? You have a habit of disrupting forums.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:

Someone put the "right" in righteous, & it sure wasn't me...
 "look at me" attitude??"  - it wasn't my post count that got a special award for going thru the roof, but hey ho, whatever...

How about you just stop disrupting the thread by banging on about Tommy? You have a habit of disrupting forums.

Awww... Tommy lovs the banging. Look at that flat spot on the front of his head.

Trump’s Election boosted by white supremacists & far-right


Since 2012, the number of white supremacists and self-identified Nazi groups on Twitter have multiplied more than 600%, according to a study by George Washington University’s Programme on Extremism [1].
According to the study, far-right accounts on Twitter have increased from about 3,500 in 2012 to 22,000 in 2016.
As most of them are based in the USA, it is believed that those groups have played a huge part in Trump’s campaign.
The study also found a sharp decline in propaganda from Daesh on Twitter during the same period of time, mainly due to a huge crackdown on Islamist extremism groups organised by the social media giant. However, white supremacist and self-identified Nazi groups are largely ignored by Twitter and the main stream media, and they are able to recruit new members, whilst spreading their propaganda with the help of social media.
Donald Trump was a prominent subject amongst white nationalists during the US elections campaign. And his victory has given them a huge boost.
Former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke, placed credit for Mr Trump’s win to the help of white supremacists:

“Make no mistake about it,” he Tweeted, “our people played a HUGE role in electing Trump!”

Before adding:

“Trump’s race united my people.”

Since then, the Ku Klux Klan has announced it will host a victory parade in a North Carolina town in celebration of Donald Trump’s win[2], bringing white nationalism and the alt-right movement to mainstream politics.
Of course, the KKK and others far-right parties are trying to use Trump’s victory as the way to recruit more members to their cause.
But it is a fact that those groups are growing at a considerable rate in the US and they have helped Trump to win the White House.
And Trump has ripped the lid off Pandora’s box.

Hate Crimes Linked to Trump’s Election Reported Across the US

As for Brexit[3], right after Trump’s victory, social media was rife with accounts of sometimes violent incidents of hate crimes targeted at Muslims, the gay community, Jews, Latinos and African-Americans.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Centre who monitors hate in extremism, told CNN that he’s seen a spike in hate crimes, including attacks on women wearing hijabs and racist graffiti since Trump’s election, before adding:

“I think this is absolutely clearly a result of Trump’s election. Donald Trump has ripped the lid off Pandora’s box.”

A gay man was also attacked after supporters of Trump allegedly shouted homophobic slurs at him in a bar[4].
The victim named Chris Ball, was in a bar in Santa Monica as election results came in on Tuesday night and the atmosphere grew increasingly tense.

“People started launching homophobic slurs at me from afar,”

Ball told the Calgary Metro.

“I mean, I kind of got into it, but I didn’t want to provoke them.”

“They were saying things like, ‘We got a new President you f***ing f****ts'”

When Ball left the bar alone, he said he was ambushed by a group of men and smashed over the head with a glass bottle.

Biggest Threat facing the Western World?

White supremacist and far-right groups are potentially becoming the biggest threat facing our democracies. However, they have been around for quite a while and largely ignored.
What has changed is that they now have mainstream politicians that borrow their ideas to win power.
And in recent years, the far-right has bolstered its numbers using social media to recruit new members.
The common threads that all these groups share is a strong anti-woman, anti-black, anti-Islam and anti-Semetic sentiment that runs deep through their rank and files, and over the past 12-months, the public expression of such sentiments has become frighteningly acceptable.
Trump’s comments on women or about Islam has resonated deeply with all far-right parties, not just in USA but across the western world[5].
But in Europe too, the rise of the far-right is largely ignored.  In France, and according to recent polls, the French far-right Front National could get 28% of the vote at the next Presidential election. [6]
Don’t believe that Trump’s victory was an accident: there may be more to come.

https://sciscomedia.co.uk/white-supremacists-boosted-trumps-campaign/



Nah, nothing like Germany and Hitler.   Stupid fucking people and their deliberate blindness leading us down the path of evil.

So if all the people who voted for Trump are "far right" or white supremacists, what can be done about it? He got millions and millions of votes from American citizens - you can't tell so many people how to think.

Original Quill wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Don't write off why, Quill.

Clinton got 5 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012.

She was the problem.

Backing the RIGHT candidate is the most important thing in 2020.

In the meantime, if Trump is as bad as we think, he won't need help failing- and actively working to make the government fail is counter productive for your country, if he is bad he will fail himself in the eyes of the world.

To win, the Democrats need to move away from the self entitled party establishment that cost this election.

You misunderstand, Les.  First, Clinton is history.  We're not concerned about how good or bad she was anymore.  

Second, we know Trump will fail.  We know he backed into the presidency.  Our mission is simply to exploit his shortcomings and make sure America fails on his watch.  We need to keep pointing out his betrayal to his base (when will the wall start?  what will happen with people without healthcare and the money to afford it?), and his conflicts (he isn't putting his business in a blind trust...watch that one carefully, if gleefully).

He will create a lot of precedent.  Already, tax returns are out, pussy-grabbing is in.  But there's more to come.

I disagree, understanding how and why she failed is essential to make sure the same mistakes don't happen again. Forgetting about the past is never a good idea.

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You misunderstand, Les.  First, Clinton is history.  We're not concerned about how good or bad she was anymore.  

Second, we know Trump will fail.  We know he backed into the presidency.  Our mission is simply to exploit his shortcomings and make sure America fails on his watch.  We need to keep pointing out his betrayal to his base (when will the wall start?  what will happen with people without healthcare and the money to afford it?), and his conflicts (he isn't putting his business in a blind trust...watch that one carefully, if gleefully).

He will create a lot of precedent.  Already, tax returns are out, pussy-grabbing is in.  But there's more to come.

I disagree, understanding how and why she failed is essential to make sure the same mistakes don't happen again. Forgetting about the past is never a good idea.

Agree with you 100% they cannot have anyone who can be linked to taking money from big business and the financial sector.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

WHITE supremacists around here, like TDYK, Ragg's and company disgrace themselves that little bit more,  every time they pipe up in support and defence for their resident "snowflake" racist spruikers Tommy and Major on here...

Pathetic xenophobic twits, the lot of them..          

According to Veya's new rule, you have just earned yourself an immediate ban.

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You misunderstand, Les.  First, Clinton is history.  We're not concerned about how good or bad she was anymore.  

Second, we know Trump will fail.  We know he backed into the presidency.  Our mission is simply to exploit his shortcomings and make sure America fails on his watch.  We need to keep pointing out his betrayal to his base (when will the wall start?  what will happen with people without healthcare and the money to afford it?), and his conflicts (he isn't putting his business in a blind trust...watch that one carefully, if gleefully).

He will create a lot of precedent.  Already, tax returns are out, pussy-grabbing is in.  But there's more to come.

I disagree, understanding how and why she failed is essential to make sure the same mistakes don't happen again. Forgetting about the past is never a good idea.

Presumably, all the people who voted for Trump don't think a mistake has been made though.

An immediate ban, that'll be the day.