Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Ziz wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Most of us just want an end to hate.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Most of us just want an end to hate.

You should stop hating those who disagree with you then.

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Why, are you so limited that you can't love more than one place?   And I know many people who couldn't wait to get away from the village they grew up in.

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:


Why, are you so limited that you can't love more than one place?   And I know many people who couldn't wait to get away from the village they grew up in.

It's unreasonable to expect people to love a place they've never been to. You stood for election. Did you give a toss about the actual area and the people in it?

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else.

You think you have to love your country to love yourself?   So, if you lived in the middle of a desert and wanted to leave, you wouldn't love yourself?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else.

You can love whatever you want.

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:

You can love whatever you want.

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:

You can love whatever you want.

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else.

You think you have to love your country to love yourself?   So, if you lived in the middle of a desert and wanted to leave, you wouldn't love yourself?

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Hmmmm. I have to grow to like or love a place. I'm not very patriotic anyway, And I also know that if I found myself living in another town or even country, I could love there as much as I love here.
Places don't make you who you are necessarily and like sassy has said, I simply feel as though I belong to the planet, not the country I was born in because my mum happened to give birth there.

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

Do you?....your posts often give the other impression.

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do you?....your posts often give the other impression.

Yes I do - but I post on my days off.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Hmmmm. I have to grow to like or love a place. I'm not very patriotic anyway, And I also know that if I found myself living in another town or even country, I could love there as much as I love here.
Places don't make you who you are necessarily and like sassy has said, I simply feel as though I belong to the planet, not the country I was born in because my mum happened to give birth there.

I disagree. It's nothing to do with being born here, it's to do with growing up here. As I said, is it wrong to love the town or village you grew up in?

eddie wrote:I love where I live as to whether I love my country...what does that even mean?

I don't have any feelings whatsoever about the Royals, I don't watch any V-Day celebrations, I love the underground with a passion, (no idea why, something about the tunnels I guess),  I love each and every season, I support English football but move on very quickly if (when!) they lose and don't actually die about it, I love our museums but I love all museums and pretty much try and visit them in every country I go to if possible, we have beautiful architecture but it's not a patch on Paris, I like our language but I like all languages, our food is mostly crap and so is the service we receive....our transport is pretty okay and the NHS is fantastically brilliant.

What have I left off?

Ziz wrote:I love...
My wife
My offspring
My dogs
Cumbria
Scotland
Bits of Africa
Melton Mowbray pork pies...

completely unashamedly.

magica wrote:

Ziz wrote:I love...
My wife
My offspring
My dogs
Cumbria
Scotland
Bits of Africa
Melton Mowbray pork pies...

completely unashamedly.

Oh so you can love Scotland but we cant love England .... go figure  

nicko wrote:ZiZ,   do you know Appleby?,  I was born there.

sassy wrote:Anyway, hair appnt so got to go.

Major wrote:

sassy wrote:Anyway, hair appnt so got to go.

How much do you get paid for allowing them to do that granny style, is it a disguise???????

I thought you were hiding in ROOM 101.

nicko wrote:Well, my parents left there when I was 6,   does that still count?

Raggamuffin wrote:I know Cumbria a bit - Ulverston to be precise. A lovely place.

Ben Reilly wrote:Major, if you have complaints, please address them to admins via PM rather than starting all these threads about them. Muchas gracias.

Ziz wrote:
Yes, Ulverston is pleasant, Stan Laurel's birthplace - we attend concerts at the Coro there. But Cumbria has so much more, and much the tourists know little about

Jules wrote:

Ziz wrote:
Yes, Ulverston is pleasant, Stan Laurel's birthplace - we attend concerts at the Coro there. But Cumbria has so much more, and much the tourists know little about

I've worked in Cumbria, in barrow-in-furness.  You could go to the beach straight after work.  My stint there did not seem like work at all, I felt very spoilt indeed, kept thinking "Am I  actually being paid for this lifestyle??". We subsequently returned a few times, on holiday.

Ben Reilly wrote:Major, if you have complaints, please address them to admins via PM rather than starting all these threads about them. Muchas gracias.

Jules wrote:In just one post, there was this much bile, posted by the author. > >


benefit scrounguz
run down council estates
hire purchase lappiz
higher breed  
muntuz
minguz
tripehoundz
guttersnipes
breed like rabbits
foul language
HT, try to better yourself




Hello??
Never seen this much bile in my life and that includes the time my poor mum accidentally nicked the gall bladder of a cock she was gutting! (In those days you had to pluck and gut and joint the bird yourself. ) . Poor mum, the bile spilled everywhere and tainted all the meat, the meal was inedible.

Ziz wrote:

Jules wrote:

I've worked in Cumbria, in barrow-in-furness.  You could go to the beach straight after work.  My stint there did not seem like work at all, I felt very spoilt indeed, kept thinking "Am I  actually being paid for this lifestyle??". We subsequently returned a few times, on holiday.

Just in Cumbria, formerly Lancs, but you're forgiven.  

Walney Island is the best thing about Barrow - though some of the surrounding countryside (north-eastwards) is gorgeous.

Jules wrote:"muntuz & minguz?? "   no idea ziz, but it doesn't sound very nice.

Ziz wrote:

Just in Cumbria, formerly Lancs, but you're forgiven.  

Walney Island is the best thing about Barrow - though some of the surrounding countryside (north-eastwards) is gorgeous.

Barrovians definitely have traces of a Lancs accent.
And the locals kept saying "right you are" to me, instead of ''OK''.  
Not surprised Cumbria ''annexed'' a nice town like Barrow.
Many of my colleagues were scottish, ... bet the scots would have liked to claim the town for themselves too, who could blame them?

Ben Reilly wrote:Major, if you have complaints, please address them to admins via PM rather than starting all these threads about them. Muchas gracias.

Ziz wrote:

Jules wrote:In just one post, there was this much bile, posted by the author. > >


benefit scrounguz
run down council estates
hire purchase lappiz
higher breed  
muntuz
minguz
tripehoundz
guttersnipes
breed like rabbits
foul language
HT, try to better yourself




Hello??
Never seen this much bile in my life and that includes the time my poor mum accidentally nicked the gall bladder of a cock she was gutting! (In those days you had to pluck and gut and joint the bird yourself. ) . Poor mum, the bile spilled everywhere and tainted all the meat, the meal was inedible.

Okay, I can decipher most of them. but what are muntuz & minguz - jazz musicians?  

Spindleshanks wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Okay, I can decipher most of them. but what are muntuz & minguz - jazz musicians?  

Munters and mingers.

Unattractive, slovenly, indolent etc

HoratioTarr wrote:

Major wrote:It appears impossible to have a decent, sensible debate on here without bile and thread derailments taking place almost immediately a post is scribed.

There are quite a few here who post just to have a row, you know who you are, stop it, you are bringing this forum down.

We do not need rules rules rules, just adults being sensible.

We must get free speech back on here, stifling debate does not give a true fair debate..

Go fuck yourself.

Major wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Go fuck yourself.

This proves my thread, told ya so.

It has worsened since I posted this.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Major wrote:

This proves my thread, told ya so.

It has worsened since I posted this.

Double go fuck yourself.