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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:18 pm

TMZ wrote:DONALD TRUMP IF KAEPERNICK DOESN'T LIKE AMERICA ... GIT OUT!!

Donald Trump is channeling his inner-Richard Nixon when it comes to Colin Kaepernick -- when it comes to America, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!

Trump called in KIRO in Seattle and was asked how he felt about the 49ers QB's National Anthem protest -- and in classic Trump fashion, he didn't hold back.

"I think it’s personally not a good thing," Trump said ... "I think it’s a terrible thing."
"Maybe he should find a country that works better for him. Let him try."

What is Kaepernick's issue?  Blacks cannot receive justice in America.
What is Trump's answer?  Get out.

This from the candidate who says blacks should vote for him, because he will fix the inner cities.  Now we know how!  Rolling Eyes

Trump is big on saying we should "...take back America." He is stirring up Native Americans, who say the same thing. Razz

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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:17 pm

CBS News wrote:
Donald Trump fires back at Colin Kaepernick after QB calls him a racist
The Republican presidential candidate has some not-so-friendly advice for Colin Kaepernick

Colin Kaepernick's polarizing decision to protest the national anthem on Friday isn't the only bold political move that the 49ers quarterback made over the weekend.

During an 18-minute interview with reporters on Sunday, Kaepernick blasted both presidential candidates for playing a part in the problems that he says America is currently facing.

"I think the two presidential candidates that we currently have also represent the issues that we have in this country right now," Kaepernick said. "You have Hillary [Clinton], who has called black teens or black kids super predators. You have Donald Trump, who is openly racist."

As you can imagine, Trump didn't take kindly to the accusation that he's a racist. During an interview on the "Dori Monson Show" on Monday, Trump was asked about the Kaepernick situation, and his response was vintage Trump: If Kaepernick doesn't like America, then he should leave.

Here's the excerpt of the interview from from KIRO-AM in Seattle (via MyNorthwest.com)

Dori: "Are you following 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick refusing to stand for the anthem? He had bad things to say about both you and Hillary."

Trump: "I have followed it and I think it's personally not a good thing, I think it's a terrible thing. And maybe he should find a country that works better for him, let him try."

If Kaepernick's national anthem protest continues into the regular season, it won't be surprising at all if it becomes a hot topic during the presidential election, especially if he continues to criticize both candidates.

Kaepernick has said that he's going to continue to sit until there is "significant change."

"There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality," Kaepernick said. "There's people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people. That's not right."

Kaepernick's message might not have caught on with Trump, but it has caught on with at least one fellow NFL player. Eagles linebacker Myke Tavarres said on Monday that he's going to join Kaepernick's protest and sit during the national anthem at the Eagles-Jets game on Thursday.

Like Kaepernick, Tavarres immediately ran into a potential problem: His agent.

The linebacker's agent has talked him out of joining Kaepernick, which means Tavarres will likely be standing during the anthem at Lincoln Financial Field.

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Post by 'Wolfie Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:25 pm

Suspect

AS THE majority of the "Blacks" over there had no choice about where they were born, live, and grew up -- then surely it is up to Fatboy Donnie to leave the USA if he doesn't like it there ???
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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:46 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: Suspect

AS THE majority of the "Blacks" over there had no choice about where they were born, live, and grew up --  then surely it is up to Fatboy Donnie to leave the USA if he doesn't like it there  ???

I absolutely agree.  Trump is not even an established American.  A third-generation German (via Canada, no less), his grandfather, Friederich (Fred) Trump, immigrated in 1885 to United States from Hamburg aboard the ship "Eider" and became a U.S. citizen in 1892 in Seattle, Washington.

Very few blacks have immigrated to America of their own accord.  Most were brought via the slave trade, which means their ancestors came over at least prior to 1807, when the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) was enacted.

Trump's ancestors barely go back to the 19th-century.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:51 pm

http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2007/09/26/six_inconvenient_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery



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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:26 pm

I heard on the radio that Jimmy Kimmel did a segment where correspondents asked Trump supporters what exactly they thought would "make America great again," and the answers were really racist -- I think "bringing back slavery" was one of them.

Haven't been able to confirm that online, but there is this:

The very strange views of the Trump coalition - how one-fifth think slaves shouldn't have been freed after Civil War and some say the white race is superior
Donald Trump has now won three states in a row and pollsters are shedding more light on the ideology of his voting bloc
Some 20 percent said they didn't think the slave should have been free after the Civil War
Another 70 percent of South Carolina supporters also said they wanted to see the confederate flag still flying at the state capitol
One-third of Trump supporters said they thought gays and lesbians should be banned from entering the United States


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3462830/The-strange-views-Trump-coalition-one-fifth-think-slaves-shouldn-t-freed-Civil-War-say-white-race-superior.html#ixzz4IqTbO5XP
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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2007/09/26/six_inconvenient_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery

Townhall wrote:1. SLAVERY WAS AN ANCIENT AND UNIVERSAL INSTITUTION, NOT A DISTINCTIVELY AMERICAN INNOVATION.

This is just another gestalt.  A gestalt, as I’m sure you know, is an organized whole that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts.  In other words, the author is simply fitting the phenomenon into another generalization--worldwide slavery, rather than American slavery.

We are not talking about that generalization, so bugger off.  Essentially, he is step-toeing away from the subject.

Townhall wrote:2. SLAVERY EXISTED ONLY BRIEFLY, AND IN LIMITED LOCALES, IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC – INVOLVING ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE ANCESTORS OF TODAY’S AMERICANS.

Not so fast, slick.  Slavery was the cause of the Civil War, which divided the nation and continues to plague us ideologically as evidenced by Donald Trump.  It involved over half the territory and a substantial percentage of the ancestors of today’s Americans.

Townhall wrote:3. THOUGH BRUTAL, SLAVERY WASN’T GENOCIDAL: LIVE SLAVES WERE VALUABLE BUT DEAD CAPTIVES BROUGHT NO PROFIT.

Wow!  I feel so much better knowing that.

Townhall wrote:4. IT’S NOT TRUE THAT THE U.S. BECAME A WEALTHY NATION THROUGH THE ABUSE OF SLAVE LABOR: THE MOST PROSPEROUS STATES IN THE COUNTRY WERE THOSE THAT FIRST FREED THEIR SLAVES.

No question, the mercantile and manufacturing North won.  But still, over half the nation tried slavery before 1863.

Townhall wrote:5. WHILE AMERICA DESERVES NO UNIQUE BLAME FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SLAVERY, THE UNITED STATES MERITS SPECIAL CREDIT FOR ITS RAPID ABOLITION.

While ignoring that it took a Civil War, which took the lives of some 620,000 soldiers (who died from combat, accident, starvation, and disease during the Civil War), and is still not over…pace Donald Trump.

Townhall wrote:6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA.

But there is evidence African-Americans would have been better off had they not had to go through slavery, and its handmaidens: reconstruction, peonage, separate but equal, segregation, white-supremacy……..and police bullets.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:07 pm




Try posting the whole of each point made in the article if you want to debate them honestly and openly...





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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Try posting the whole of each point made in the article if you want to debate them honestly and openly...

No need to.  You can read.

I'm addressing his (bogus) points and it's my post. Twisted Evil  Most of his points are word games, as for example that point 3. Seriously, I've addressed his points in my post--directly and forthrightly.  If you've got any surrebuttal, go ahead, speak to them.


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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:17 pm

I can read alright...


But can you argue the whole points raised...?


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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I can read alright...

But can you argue the whole points raised...?

If he structured his argument correctly, the title should make the argument, with the paragraph only elaboration.

If he didn't structure his argument correctly, well...then he's dishonest, isn't he? Either way, I outgunned him, so read both and see for yourself.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:35 pm




The article makes structured arguments and points after each headline claim... all you have done is waffle off the headlines without addressing any of the supporting detailed arguments made for each main headline point...


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Post by Guest Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:54 pm

FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Haven't they heard of the indigenous people!!!!

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Post by Guest Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:22 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2007/09/26/six_inconvenient_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery
Edited out the bulk of the post; as it had ZERO bases of your topic - don't know why the Tommykins would pull something from 2007 that M.Medved had written about slavery = Cause & Effect!
When the entire jest of this issue was yet another huge 'FOOT IN HIS MOUTH MIS-STEP' by Cheeto-Jesus.  Suspect

But there is evidence African-Americans would have been better off had they not had to go through slavery, and its handmaidens: reconstruction, peonage, separate but equal, segregation, white-supremacy……..and police bullets.
But as with all things = Tommykins, there's no rhyme or reason but only ends up in a derailing/distraction that keeps churning the focus away from the main theme of the TOPIC.
But if Tommykins really - truly cared to read something current and up todate from M. Medved there are plenty of informative links and places to obtain those insightful places, if he only knew how to STFW!

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So, now that I've gone above and beyond providing the child something to do and some where to go read Razz

The 'negative' comments that the Blow Hard is providing the opposition is building up faster then even his staff and writers are able to 'back track' and 'reshape' into something that might resemble what the MORON should have said; cause there's just no pulling his TWITTER away from him when he's up all night with nothing to do! Trump: If blacks don't like America...get out! 2396444674


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Post by Original Quill Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The article makes structured arguments and points after each headline claim... all you have done is waffle off the headlines without addressing any of the supporting detailed arguments made for each main headline point...

You didn't even read your own source, did you?  You didn't even know who he was, did you? Shame, tommy.  You'll get no respect that way.

It's not a very long article.  Take the time to read it.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:18 am

You also forget that blacks had slaves too!!!


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Post by Original Quill Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:09 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You also forget that blacks had slaves too!!!

What is your point?

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Post by nicko Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:39 am

Hey sass, they'v heard of the indigenous people, but they killed most of 'em!
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Post by 'Wolfie Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:48 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Trump: If blacks don't like America...get out! Trump%2Bracism%2B1


THREE sister uglies, lined up in a row...

Quick nicko or Victor, where's that shotgun !?!

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:54 am

Wolfie....calling women UGLY???

Is it cos they're WHITE???

Do you realise according to some, you've been horrendous, speaking in that way?

Please refer to the infamous Michelle Obama thread and the wonderful hypocrite thread.


I hope someone comes along and takes you to task for that.
No wait.

They won't.

Never mind, you always have me to remind you.
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:13 am

eddie wrote:Wolfie....calling women UGLY???
Is it cos they're WHITE???
Do you realise according to some, you've been horrendous, speaking in that way?
Please refer to the infamous Michelle Obama thread and the wonderful hypocrite thread.
I hope someone comes along and takes you to task for that.
No wait.
They won't.
Never mind, you always have me to remind you.
Hmmm, revenge - topic derailment - disruption - rule violations galore ...and Ben's own admonishment to the 'MODS' to "work with me or step aside"; you just can't grow the fuck up but live to carry your grudge around like your own special sack of dirty laundry! Trump: If blacks don't like America...get out! 2581891615

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Trump: If blacks don't like America...get out! Trump%2Bracism%2B1


THREE sister uglies, lined up in a row...

Quick  nicko or Victor,  where's that shotgun  !?!

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Wolfie, I would take that as you calling them ugly because of the sentiments expressed on their T-Shirts rather than their faces, but I could be wrong, so could you tell me honestly to which you were referring?

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:43 am

Odd, I took him at his meaning and the message in their shirts made it OBVIOUSLY CLEAR - the topic - the flow of the conversation - 3 white women being racially UGLY ...but when mod is trolling only one members posts and over looking the other disruptive/nasty attacking ones from her favorite buddies - there's only one reason to twist his intent off any other direction as she's done!
I reported it, but it won't change her disruptive behavior, she's been allowed 4 days of this BS!

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Post by nicko Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:29 am

Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep
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Post by 'Wolfie Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:32 pm

sassy wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

THREE sister uglies, lined up in a row...

Quick  nicko or Victor,  where's that shotgun  !?!

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Wolfie, I would take that as you calling them ugly because of the sentiments expressed on their T-Shirts rather than their faces, but I could be wrong, so could you tell me honestly to which you were referring?

What a Face

I WAS referring to their beliefs, spirit, lack of conscience and the type of personality and poor character that goes with their odious race-hatred based "white superiority" posturings...

WHITE SUPREMACISTS are 'ugly' people, irregardless of any surface attactiveness..

(One only has to look at a smattering of the blonde blue-eyed "beauties" employed by racist newspapers, the Tea Party, the Trump campaign, Fox TV, and have a look at the two gils that used,to be the "Prussian Blue" militia song duo -- to see just how collectively "ugly" that whole genre of American women can be..).
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Post by 'Wolfie Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:39 pm

eddie wrote:Wolfie....calling women UGLY???

Is it cos they're WHITE???

Do you realise according to some, you've been horrendous, speaking in that way?

Please refer to the infamous Michelle Obama thread and the wonderful hypocrite thread.


I hope someone comes along and takes you to task for that.
No wait.

They won't.

Never mind, you always have me to remind you.

scratch

SO THEN,  eddie  ???

Now you're telling me you don't find race-based hatemongering ugly ?
You're telling us you don't find white supremacy spruikers ugly ?
Racists are okay, but noone's to criticise them ?

At least now we know why you're always defending our resident racists...                Suspect
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:33 pm

Yes wolf. I am taking the post at face value, (pardon the unintentional pun) just as everyone else does to everyone else.

Good job sassy was on hand to help you out. Phew.
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:46 pm

INDEED, when you can't be 'arsed' to read the thread - comprehend the genre {despite the derail by Tommykins} was factually about a direct quote provided by American's own ranting BIGOT and the adults responding to that media moment ...you did as you've been proven qualified to do!  JUMPED in and ASSumed something that wasn't!  Evil or Very Mad  
Makes you look very - very STUPID, but normal is that method of your behavior! Twisted Evil
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:53 pm

Yeah. About half past four I reckon.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:09 pm

eddie wrote:Yes wolf. I am taking the post at face value, (pardon the unintentional pun) just as everyone else does to everyone else.

Good job sassy was on hand to help you out. Phew.

Eds, why don't you stop picking on Wolf, fgs.  Yesterday, you were warning and threatening him with basementing (is that a word?), and you froze the thread.  

It's obvious that you are just baiting, or 'goading' as the rules prohibiting phrase it.  Wolf, in this case, was obviously characterizing the attitudes as ugly, which was clear to everyone.  Sassy stated it succinctly:

Sassy wrote:I would take that as you calling them ugly because of the sentiments expressed on their T-Shirts rather than their faces...

You went out of your way to set him up for a confrontation.  That's not in any job description for a mod that I've read.

And why?  Because he is LW and you are RW.  It's time to give it up.

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:21 pm

Ironic Quill.
You're asking me to stop goading another poster when I'm asking that very same poster to stop goading another poster.

You didn't think that through really.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:34 pm

eddie wrote:Ironic Quill.
You're asking me to stop goading another poster when I'm asking that very same poster to stop goading another poster.

You didn't think that through really.

And here you are over here setting him up for another round.  

It's to bad that Ben made the mistake of taking the two most conservative British members to be mods on the eastern Atlantic side.  Now, you are mollycoddling the most conservative member on the forum, while we have to explain the clear words of someone in OZ.

Perhaps British mods ought to be policing Brits, Americans with Americans, and Australians with Australians, and no cross-authority.  That's why we have regional mods, to serve in their own time-zone, not to harass others in other nations.  The British mods seem to do a lot of cross-overs, and my instincts say it's because of issues, not rules.

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:50 pm

Oh well, we are all different I suppose. I'm sure Ben realises, like most people, that most things with us mere mods are fuck all to do with politics but it does say a hell of a lot about you that you only think in terms of politics.
Shame really. You let yourself down with the company you keep. You start sounding really unedcuated in my humble and uneducated opinion.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:00 pm

eddie wrote:Oh well, we are all different I suppose. I'm sure Ben realises, like most people, that most things with us mere mods are fuck all to do with politics but it does say a hell of a lot about you that you only think in terms of politics.
Shame really. You let yourself down with the company you keep. You start sounding really unedcuated in my humble and uneducated opinion.

I do think it's more complex than that, but it involves psychology. If you disagree with someone continually, and you are a mod, you do a little mission-creep over into the mod role when discussing your differences. You may run to the mod room to ask for mutual consensus, but you are still motivated deep down by your agreement/disagreement. And certainly politics is grounds for disagreement.

But politics is, or should be off-limits to authority. It's the one place where everyone should be free to post their opinions and differences...without authority. Why do you think we cry unfair when cops indiscriminately shoot blacks? Why indeed do we make a paradigm example of Hitler? When you play this game of mission-creep with authority, you violate that norm.

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Post by Victorismyhero Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:24 pm

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eddie wrote:Oh well, we are all different I suppose. I'm sure Ben realises, like most people, that most things with us mere mods are fuck all to do with politics but it does say a hell of a lot about you that you only think in terms of politics.
Shame really. You let yourself down with the company you keep. You start sounding really unedcuated in my humble and uneducated opinion.

I do think it's more complex than that, but it involves psychology.  If you disagree with someone continually, and you are a mod, you do a little mission-creep over into the mod role when discussing your differences.  You may run to the mod room to ask for mutual consensus, but you are still motivated deep down by your agreement/disagreement.  And certainly politics is grounds for disagreement.

But politics is, or should be off-limits to authority.  It's the one place where everyone should be free to post their opinions and differences...without authority.  Why do you think we cry unfair when cops indiscriminately shoot blacks?  Why indeed do we make a paradigm example of Hitler?  When you play this game of mission-creep with authority, you violate that norm.


and yet.....

as I have SHOWN...the first ones to become abusive in this scenario is............the left...

funny that

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Post by Original Quill Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:34 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I do think it's more complex than that, but it involves psychology.  If you disagree with someone continually, and you are a mod, you do a little mission-creep over into the mod role when discussing your differences.  You may run to the mod room to ask for mutual consensus, but you are still motivated deep down by your agreement/disagreement.  And certainly politics is grounds for disagreement.

But politics is, or should be off-limits to authority.  It's the one place where everyone should be free to post their opinions and differences...without authority.  Why do you think we cry unfair when cops indiscriminately shoot blacks?  Why indeed do we make a paradigm example of Hitler?  When you play this game of mission-creep with authority, you violate that norm.

and yet.....

as I have SHOWN...the first ones to become abusive in this scenario is............the left...

funny that

Hullo Victor.

What do you think about Trump telling Kaepernick he should get out of the country if he doesn't like the way blacks are treated?  It bodes ill for his pitch that he would help blacks if they voted for him, don't you think?  He doesn't give details, but says he would fix the inner cities where the blacks live.

What, send 'em back to Africa?

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:45 pm

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eddie wrote:Oh well, we are all different I suppose. I'm sure Ben realises, like most people, that most things with us mere mods are fuck all to do with politics but it does say a hell of a lot about you that you only think in terms of politics.
Shame really. You let yourself down with the company you keep. You start sounding really unedcuated in my humble and uneducated opinion.

I do think it's more complex than that, but it involves psychology.  If you disagree with someone continually, and you are a mod, you do a little mission-creep over into the mod role when discussing your differences.  You may run to the mod room to ask for mutual consensus, but you are still motivated deep down by your agreement/disagreement.  And certainly politics is grounds for disagreement.

But politics is, or should be off-limits to authority.  It's the one place where everyone should be free to post their opinions and differences...without authority.  Why do you think we cry unfair when cops indiscriminately shoot blacks?  Why indeed do we make a paradigm example of Hitler?  When you play this game of mission-creep with authority, you violate that norm.


I don't mind wolf and I chat to him on other threads in a perfectly civil way when he's being normal.

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Post by Victorismyhero Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:46 pm

I cant post on here what I think of trump...I'd offend someone with my terms of reference....

he (trump) is FILTH of the worst order...and I dont say that from a piurely political perspective

but from the POV of what is merely correct reasonable and fair ("just" if you like)

you love to label me as R/W....you forget too easily that I am NOT
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Post by scrat Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:53 pm

Lord Foul wrote:I cant post on here what I think of trump...I'd offend someone with my terms of reference....

he (trump) is FILTH of the worst order...and I dont say that from a piurely political perspective

but from the POV of what is merely correct reasonable and fair ("just" if you like)

you love to label me as R/W....you forget too easily that I am NOT
Why can't you post what you think? are you under some kind of thought control?
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Post by Andy Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:34 pm

LF is the thought police, Scrat.  Anything supportive of left wing he will come down like a ton of bricks. Whatever  he says., he IS rw, it is just that Trump is wayyyy beyond rw - he is dangerous looney tunes racist extremist.  I wouldn't  be surprised if he also a member of the KKK.
Be warned, LF, and to a lesser degree Eds lock threads where they are losing the debate, see the one that LF just locked about your good self.
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Post by scrat Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:58 pm

Handy Andy wrote:LF is the thought police, Scrat.  Anything supportive of left wing he will come down like a ton of bricks. Whatever  he says., he IS rw, it is just that Trump is wayyyy beyond rw - he is dangerous looney tunes racist extremist.  I wouldn't  be surprised if he also a member of the KKK.
Be warned, LF, and to a lesser degree Eds lock threads where they are losing the debate,  see the one that LF just locked about your good self.
Trump represents his own form of feudal tyranny, (which s probably coming anyway) most RW want corporate feudalism, I think it's their paranoia over the pension pot thing, they're deluded into thinking that their pensions will be safer under big business, you would have thought bailing out the banks and parasites like P Green BHS would have taught them a lesson about that.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:03 pm

Cap doffers will ever be cap doffers not matter how many times they are pissed on.

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:05 pm

Handy Andy wrote:LF is the thought police, Scrat.  Anything supportive of left wing he will come down like a ton of bricks. Whatever  he says., he IS rw, it is just that Trump is wayyyy beyond rw - he is dangerous looney tunes racist extremist.  I wouldn't  be surprised if he also a member of the KKK.
Be warned, LF, and to a lesser degree Eds lock threads where they are losing the debate,  see the one that LF just locked about your good self.

I lock threads that need locking, whether I'm on them or not.
And I don't lose in debate. Debates are mostly opinion.

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Post by scrat Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:07 pm

sassy wrote:Cap doffers will ever be cap doffers not matter how many times they are pissed on.
exactamondo sassy! LF appears to be a cap doffer with somekind of inferiority complex, it's a RW thing, very very sad.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:21 pm

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eddie wrote:Ironic Quill.
You're asking me to stop goading another poster when I'm asking that very same poster to stop goading another poster.

You didn't think that through really.

And here you are over here setting him up for another round.  

It's to bad that Ben made the mistake of taking the two most conservative British members to be mods on the eastern Atlantic side.  Now, you are mollycoddling the most conservative member on the forum, while we have to explain the clear words of someone in OZ.

Perhaps British mods ought to be policing Brits, Americans with Americans, and Australians with Australians, and no cross-authority.  That's why we have regional mods, to serve in their own time-zone, not to harass others in other nations.  The British mods seem to do a lot of cross-overs, and my instincts say it's because of issues, not rules.


Your 'left wing democrats' are more 'right wing' than our 'right wing conservatives'...!!!


Wolf boy needs to start posting points/arguments relevant to debate... simple as that!


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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:39 pm

Spoken like a true fascist.

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:46 pm

sassy wrote:Spoken like a true fascist.

Word of the day.
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