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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:54 am

WIRED HAS NEVER BEEN NEUTRAL.

For nearly a quarter of a century, this organization has championed a specific way of thinking about tomorrow. If it’s true, as the writer William Gibson once had it, that the future is already here, just unevenly distributed, then our task has been to locate the places where various futures break through to our present and identify which one we hope for.

Our founders—Louis Rossetto, Jane Metcalfe, and Kevin Kelly—all supported a strain of optimistic libertarianism native to Silicon Valley. The future they endorsed was the one they saw manifested in the early Internet: one where self-organizing networks would replace old hierarchies. To them, the US government was one of those kludgy, inefficient legacy systems that mainly just get in the way.

Over the past couple of decades, we’ve gotten to watch their future play out: We’ve seen the creative energies of countless previously invisible communities unleashed—and, well, we’ve watched networks become just as good at concentrating wealth and influence in the hands of a few people as the old hierarchies were. We’ve seen geeks become billionaires, autocrats become hackers, and our readers (people curious about how technology is shaping the world) become the American mainstream. Like any sane group of thinkers, we’ve calibrated our judgments along the way. But much of our worldview hasn’t changed. We value freedom: open systems, open markets, free people, free information, free inquiry. We’ve become even more dedicated to scientific rigor, good data, and evidence-driven thinking. And we’ve never lost our optimism.

I bring all this up because, for all of its opinions and enthu­siasms, WIRED has never made a practice of endorsing candidates for president of the United States. Through five election cycles we’ve written about politics and politicians and held them up against our ideals. But we’ve avoided telling you, our readers, who WIRED viewed as the best choice.

Today we will. WIRED sees only one person running for president who can do the job: Hillary Clinton.
RIGHT NOW WE see two possible futures welling up in the present. In one, society’s every decision is dominated by scarcity. Except for a few oligarchs, nobody has enough of anything. In that future, we build literal and figurative walls to keep out those who hope to acquire our stuff, while through guile or violence we try to acquire theirs.

In the other future, the one WIRED is rooting for, new rounds of innovation allow people to do more with less work—in a way that translates into abundance, broadly enjoyed.

http://www.wired.com/2016/08/wired-endorses-hillary-clinton/?mbid=nl_81816_p3&CNDID=21857288
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Post by veya_victaous Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:17 am

RIGHT NOW WE see two possible futures welling up in the present. In one, society’s every decision is dominated by scarcity. Except for a few oligarchs, nobody has enough of anything. In that future, we build literal and figurative walls to keep out those who hope to acquire our stuff, while through guile or violence we try to acquire theirs.

In the other.. well the same but without the literal wall.


Hilliary is not promoting socialism or anything like that which would be the minimum requirement for a system that was actually for the people and not the oligarchs. I cannot see how they can suggest a vote for her would have a positive effect on reducing the wealth gap. most of her policies (as with almost all US policies) are all increasing or maintaining the gap.

when Captialism is favoured over Socialism then there is an inherent wealth gap because that is the design of the system. If the social design is not to share resources then everyone will not gain from the technical advancements.
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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:22 pm

But many of the world's best, happiest countries still have a wealth gap. I think WIRED may be engaging in a little hyperbole here, but if you had to assign each candidate as optimistic or pessimistic, you'd choose the same, right?

I think the hope of the left and the fear of the right is that Clinton will be just as liberal as the country allows her to be.
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Post by eddie Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:30 pm

So correct me of I'm wrong, simplified, this WIRED is claiming that Clinton has an optimistic quality / view / message, that Trump lacks?
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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:43 pm

eddie wrote:So correct me of I'm wrong, simplified, this WIRED is claiming that Clinton has an optimistic quality / view / message, that Trump lacks?

Absolutely, and I agree.
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Post by eddie Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:47 pm

The best interview I've seen of Trump (which I stuck on here somewhere) was when he said that black people in the US needed a future and he planned on giving them one.  That was a positive message, I think. He seemed quite earnest.....?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:34 pm

eddie wrote:The best interview I've seen of Trump (which I stuck on here somewhere) was when he said that black people in the US needed a future and he planned on giving them one.  That was a positive message, I think. He seemed quite earnest.....?

Yes, given I believe in Wisconsin, where there are mostly white voters.

The wise money says he is not, by such professed urban generosity, courting the black vote. Rather, he is courting the younger white voters, who respond to concerns about how blacks are treated in this country.

In fact, you are in that group, I would imagine. Didn't you respond favorably when you heard it? It was messaging meant for your genre.

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Post by eddie Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:47 pm

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eddie wrote:The best interview I've seen of Trump (which I stuck on here somewhere) was when he said that black people in the US needed a future and he planned on giving them one.  That was a positive message, I think. He seemed quite earnest.....?

Yes, given I believe in Wisconsin, where there are mostly white voters.  

The wise money says he is not, by such professed urban generosity, courting the black vote.  Rather, he is courting the younger white voters, who respond to concerns about how blacks are treated in this country.

In fact, you are in that group, I would imagine.  Didn't you respond favorably when you heard it?  It was messaging meant for your genre.

Yes of course I responded favourably. I thought it was great that he said it and if he means it and does it - all the better.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:33 pm

eddie wrote:
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Yes, given I believe in Wisconsin, where there are mostly white voters.  

The wise money says he is not, by such professed urban generosity, courting the black vote.  Rather, he is courting the younger white voters, who respond to concerns about how blacks are treated in this country.

In fact, you are in that group, I would imagine.  Didn't you respond favorably when you heard it?  It was messaging meant for your genre.

Yes of course I responded favourably. I thought it was great that he said it and if he means it and does it - all the better.

Republicans are driven by an ideology of selfishness, their hero being Adam Smith.  Everything is self-interest; they have no community-driven purpose.  Indeed, Donald-the assassin-Trump is the Republican candidate precisely because he is wealthy, the very model of Smithsonian selfishness.

However, politics is not money-driven, but vote-driven.  In order to succeed in the political world, Republicans must transfer dollars into votes.  They do this by heavy doses of deception.  The general theme in all Republican sponsored issues is deception and detraction.  If they can distract you, you won't see how they are screwing you.  By creating a war in Iraq, people didn't see Dick Cheney generating, but neatly hiding war-profits from Halliburton.  Donald Trump will tell you he wants to create jobs in Ohio and Michigan, while he is contracting overseas to manufacture goods for his businesses.  Trump University was the epitome of public rip-offs.  Examples are everywhere.

Republicans lie.  All those of the ideology of selfishness must lie when they turn to public office.  You can't say I'm going to steal from you, and then go out and get their votes.  If anything, Trump is the extreme version, having become the practicing professional in that sphere.  Does Donald Trump care about the inner city black community?  I think it is safe to say he cares not a wit about blacks, and will work against the black community in every profitable way.

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Post by eddie Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:44 pm

You're probably right. He just looked very convincing and sincere.
I never liked him way back when I used to watch boxing alot and he'd be interviewed as the manager of some fighter and he'd come across as arrogant then....as though this fighter was nothing more than meat to make money.
He was, as my dad put it, "A greedy, ugly man"
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Post by Original Quill Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:23 am

eddie wrote:You're probably right. He just looked very convincing and sincere.
I never liked him way back when I used to watch boxing alot and he'd be interviewed as the manager of some fighter and he'd come across as arrogant then....as though this fighter was nothing more than meat to make money.
He was, as my dad put it, "A greedy, ugly man"

He doesn't really understand that people are not chattel.  So he often speaks about how he hires women and minorities.  He thinks he is showing how much regard he has for them, when in reality he is saying they are good field niggahs.  

It's insulting, but he is so wealthy and far removed that he doesn't feel the affront.

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