So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right???

by Victorismyhero Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:52 pm

ok

with approx 500billion...(thats right 500billion) snapchat/whatsapp messages sent every tear in the uk
plus about 100 Billion text messages

how about a 1p levy on every one

that would rake in 6 BILLION pounds So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 1363015401

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 1363015401

by eddie Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:11 pm

Do you know how much parents of teens would hate you for suggesting that?

by Victorismyhero Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:16 pm

hey I bought the phones...THEY paid for their "payn'go" top ups... So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 2190311264

by eddie Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:24 pm

It could work. It's a good idea but im sure someone will be along with a flaw.

by veya_victaous Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:53 pm

LOL
and some were saying this isn't about the Old hating and trying to punish the young Rolling Eyes

Pay for it all out of old age pension and retirement funds, just stop subsidising old peoples meds, it saves fuck loads of the NHS too Twisted Evil

Plus HOW exactly do you plan to Implement it as whatsapp etc is just internet data usage no separate network. try and legislate that a specific one is going to be taxed and then the kids just switch to a different one.

by Victorismyhero Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:11 am

we charge for other luxuries dont we?

via various taxes and "duties"

1p per is not unreasonable and given that 90 - 99% of the traffic is nothing but garbage anyhow....

consider it a "green tax" reduce the RF emmissions round the world...

As to HOW to do it... So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 2190311264

thats for the idiot savants to sort out....

by veya_victaous Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:43 am

cant be done without unfairly targeting a specific company that would inevitably go bankrupt as it lost all it's users to the next app that can do the same thing but doesn't pay the fee.

from a technical level there is zero difference between whatsapps, porn or banking data. a system that could implement this would cost more to build and maintain then it would earn.

text message you could but they are already a dying medium Neutral

to be fair it really should be something that target the older brits as they spent the money that created the debt and stuffed the economy that makes it so hard to pay back (and they stuffed it long before brexit with laziness and lack on entrepreneurial activity)

And so many the current older brits have decided to try and ignore their debts from the past brits, and now trying to make future brits take on debts for them.

the is clealry a problem in the UK with one group causing so much harm to others, and it's not the Kids or the Immigrants

by Victorismyhero Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:58 am

considering that the majority of "youngers" as I have said elsewhere, couldnt be bothered to get out of their stoned/piss blind drunk/reality TV induced comas long enough to vote...I dont think you have any reason to cry..

you want everything shoved up your ass and think "hard work" is 8 hrs spent punching buttons on a computer....

you complain because all these nasty immigrants are taking "your jobs" yet you are too bone idle to go do it and do it right....

you want tech for nothing food for nothing and every damn other thing for nothing...

hell these days you even want relationships for and to mean nothing....

by Eilzel Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:49 am

Sending quick messages freely is a luxury most countries in the world have. Britain would stand out as a c*** if they changed that alone.

Plus would you tax all of them? Facebook messenger, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Line, Tango and so on. Because taxing only a few would just kill those companies in the UK.

And the idea here is ageist nastiness at its worst isn't it. Older people vote leave, against the will of voting younger people; they acknowledge the economic damage, then get the young to pay. Pretty selfish Wink

by veya_victaous Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:26 am

Lord Foul wrote:considering that the majority of "youngers" as I have said elsewhere, couldnt be bothered to get out of their stoned/piss blind drunk/reality TV induced comas long enough to vote...I dont think you have any reason to cry..

you want everything shoved up your ass and think "hard work" is 8 hrs spent punching buttons on a computer....

you complain because all these nasty immigrants are taking "your jobs" yet you are too bone idle to go do it and do it right....

you want tech for nothing food for nothing and every damn other thing for nothing...

hell these days you even want relationships for and to mean nothing....

Irony being that the baby boomers got the MOST free shit ever.
The debt Exist because of YOUR GENRATION victor! And that Sums it up NO generation has ever spent so much more than they earnt than the current old people.

You think hard work is using you hands to do something slower with less consitancy than a machine. Or you think that you should get a whole months worth of manual labor wages for a days work!

What the Oldies in England dont seem to get is that YOU dont decide what labor is worth, the market does and it is GLOBAL what your little island does has a limited impact. what you call 'hard work' has a value of a few dollars a day. Thus You again Highlight why old people shouldn't vote, I mean EVEN you vote out based on economic prinicpals for industrial economies that no longer exsit! an Industrial economy in the 21st century is Bangladesh etc average wages less than 100 dollars a month.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:56 am

It's not just young people who send texts and spend ages on their phones though is it? I see that Veya is not only being spiteful about Brits again, he's also being spiteful about "old" people. There seems to be no end to his hatred.

by nicko Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:04 am

I think we should just ignore that racist [Veya] he probley hated his Parents as well for bringing him into such a nasty world.

by eddie Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:32 am

Veya you do tend to see things in a very distorted way.
Did you just finish saying old people shouldn't be able to vote?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:32 pm

eddie wrote:Veya you do tend to see things in a very distorted way.
Did you just finish saying old people shouldn't be able to vote?

He said they shouldn't vote, which is a slightly different thing. However, he'd probably pass a law to say they can't if they didn't voluntarily stay away from the polling booths. Perhaps idiots like him should be barred from voting.

by nicko Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:38 pm

One thing is 100% certain, the poor sap will get OLD himself.

by Victorismyhero Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:16 pm

Eilzel wrote:Sending quick messages freely is a luxury most countries in the world have. Britain would stand out as a c*** if they changed that alone.

Plus would you tax all of them? Facebook messenger, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Line, Tango and so on. Because taxing only a few would just kill those companies in the UK.

And the idea here is ageist nastiness at its worst isn't it. Older people vote leave, against the will of voting younger people; they acknowledge the economic damage, then get the young to pay. Pretty selfish

so...older folks dont text, snapchat etc??? wierd you should think that ...or do you merely assume that us "oldies" are incapable of dealing with tech (which we invented in the main ...when we were "youngers)?? why would this be a "target youngsters" excercise...oh I get it its the yougstrers that send essential snap chat images of what they have just scoffed, that send porno pic of themselves to all and sundry...then cry when it ends up "out there" Rolling Eyes

they send hours snapchatting and texting about who did what to who on coronation st...
WOW......I'm sorry ..I didnt realise that your tiny minds were so "active" Rolling Eyes

and no we DIDNT vote against the will of the younger folks......YOU didnt turn out to state your will, you "couldnt be arsed" "didnt understand the issues...why not??? are you (as a generation so thick??) "were to busy"...doubless snapchatting your next meal to your mates, more concerned with which of your mates is shagging which other of your mates, or too busy pretending to be THE BEST parent in the world and handing out stupid advice to others....

if nothing else this referendum showes EXACTLY which generations should be removed from the register ....and it aint the oldies.....

by Raggamuffin Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:19 pm

Eilzel wrote:Sending quick messages freely is a luxury most countries in the world have. Britain would stand out as a c*** if they changed that alone.

Plus would you tax all of them? Facebook messenger, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Line, Tango and so on. Because taxing only a few would just kill those companies in the UK.

And the idea here is ageist nastiness at its worst isn't it. Older people vote leave, against the will of voting younger people; they acknowledge the economic damage, then get the young to pay. Pretty selfish

One could also say that some young people voted against the will of some older people - those who bothered to vote at all that is. The arrogance of those who consider themselves to be "young" on here is staggering.

by Syl Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:26 pm

Maybe we should all be put down when we reach the age of 60?? Razz

by Major Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:41 pm

STOP giving OUR wealth to forunuz.

Make employers pay a proper wage to everyone and save on benefits.

Stop forunuz coming here to scrounge.

by eddie Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:57 pm

Good post Victor alien

by veya_victaous Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:56 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Veya you do tend to see things in a very distorted way.
Did you just finish saying old people shouldn't be able to vote?

He said they shouldn't vote, which is a slightly different thing. However, he'd probably pass a law to say they can't if they didn't voluntarily stay away from the polling booths. Perhaps idiots like him should be barred from voting.

I do think there should be a maximum voting age like there is a minimum voting age, I'd say retirement age you should stop voting too so about 65. You have had your turn and no longer have a long term vision, generally contributing less to the economy etc

And we have compulsory voting anyway so it would have to be you are not included or we could make it voluntary after 65.

by veya_victaous Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:59 am

Syl wrote:Maybe we should all be put down when we reach the age of 60??

joke but as a 33 year old i think there is a 50/50 chance by the time i am 70 the elderly will be reprocessed due to overpopulation and lack of food.
'Soylent Greens' may well become reality.

Besides they shoot horses don't they? Suspect

by veya_victaous Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:01 am

nicko wrote:One thing is 100% certain, the poor sap will get OLD himself.

And you act like we don't think we too should lose the vote when our mind and drive decays like the current oldies tongue

by veya_victaous Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:12 am

nicko wrote:I think we should just ignore that racist [Veya] he probley hated his Parents as well for bringing him into such a nasty world.

LOL no I love my parents.

Pretty dumb really , My Parents rasied me to be strong enough to not think realty was nasty
Which Obviously not enough did in the UK since you guys don't accept reality.

It is You that take such extreme offense at People talking about reality, since it doesn't fit with your one sided fairy-stories of UK's greatness.

Besides None of this is bad for me it is bad for your grandkids Rolling Eyes

by eddie Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:05 am

At 65 people should stop being able to vote?
I'd love you to tell that to a bunch of mentally strong, capable, fit 65 year olds!

They'd moosh you to pieces with their handbags.

by veya_victaous Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:15 am

eddie wrote:At 65 people should stop being able to vote?
I'd love you to tell that to a bunch of mentally strong, capable, fit 65 year olds!

They'd moosh you to pieces with their handbags.

I'd tied it to retirement/pension
Which is 67 here now Wink

and if you dont think i would you dont know me very well Razz

I do voice my pro technocracy opinion
Bureaucracy sucks and it really runs things
democracy is just a side show
Embrace technocracy and eventually we will have a tech-god AI making the right decisions because it has actually analyzed the information
instead of the continual parade of dickheads voting for their own self interest of to pay back the dickhead that got them to the position

by nicko Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:09 am

by Ben Reilly Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:08 am

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:At 65 people should stop being able to vote?
I'd love you to tell that to a bunch of mentally strong, capable, fit 65 year olds!

They'd moosh you to pieces with their handbags.

I'd tied it to retirement/pension
Which is 67 here now

and if you dont think i would you dont know me very well
I do voice my pro technocracy opinion
Bureaucracy sucks and it really runs things
democracy is just a side show
Embrace technocracy and eventually we will have a tech-god AI making the right decisions because it has actually analyzed the information
instead of the continual parade of dickheads voting for their own self interest of to pay back the dickhead that got them to the position

Neil deGrasse Tyson
‏@neiltyson
Earth needs a virtual country: #Rationalia, with a one-line Constitution: All policy shall be based on the weight of evidence

by eddie Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:32 am

Veya you're a mean old mountain man. And when you hit 65 I bet you won't feel "too old" for anything.

Ben.....what??? scratch

by Syl Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:51 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:Maybe we should all be put down when we reach the age of 60??

joke but as a 33 year old i think there is a 50/50 chance by the time i am 70 the elderly will be reprocessed due to overpopulation and lack of food.
'Soylent Greens' may well become reality.

Besides they shoot horses don't they?

How about ...the elderly could be reprocessed and become food.
Waste not want not. Razz

by veya_victaous Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:11 am

Syl wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:Maybe we should all be put down when we reach the age of 60??

joke but as a 33 year old i think there is a 50/50 chance by the time i am 70 the elderly will be reprocessed due to overpopulation and lack of food.
'Soylent Greens' may well become reality.

Besides they shoot horses don't they?

How about ...the elderly could be reprocessed and become food.
Waste not want not.

That is the premise of the movie. (plus criminals etc) very far sighted for 1973 predicts the 2 problems climate change and over population

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/

With the world ravaged by the greenhouse effect and overpopulation, an NYPD detective investigates the murder of a CEO with ties to the world's main food supply.

by veya_victaous Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:16 am

eddie wrote:Veya you're a mean old mountain man. And when you hit 65 I bet you won't feel "too old" for anything.

Ben.....what???

that's why I'd tie it to pensions

You can decide and when, you surrender your vote you get a decent pension.
If you want to keep voting you have to remain and active member of the economy.
just like you get to start voting when you become an active member of the economy.
and we have a bunch of programs that protect children under voting age as well.

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:00 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
He said they shouldn't vote, which is a slightly different thing. However, he'd probably pass a law to say they can't if they didn't voluntarily stay away from the polling booths. Perhaps idiots like him should be barred from voting.

I do think there should be a maximum voting age like there is a minimum voting age, I'd say retirement age you should stop voting too so about 65. You have had your turn and no longer have a long term vision, generally contributing less to the economy etc

And we have compulsory voting anyway so it would have to be you are not included or we could make it voluntary after 65.

AND, by the same measures, nobody should get that right to vote until :

(a) they have gained some life experiences;

(b) they have completed three years of assorted compulsory 'National Service' duties;

(c) they have contributed something of concrete material value to this planet;
(i.e. "leaving the world in better shape then they found it..").

Oh, let's say around age 35 ?!? Razz

by veya_victaous Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:19 am

you can meet all those things long before 35, really if you haven't by 30 you probably never will Wink

I disagree with national service though, i disagree with the idea of designating youth to be meat shields.
Particularly for Australia, Drone up it's our best defense as we can cover the vast coast line and it negates the low population issue. 'grunts' is the last thing our military needs. Dedicated Professionals all the way.

by veya_victaous Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:24 am

And buy the same principal though wolf the gov't should support those out of voting range
you really want to give a youth-start allowance to everyone under 35?

thinking about it that way I'd say 25
and you need tertiary, trade or military qualification at that point (instead of national service, still a 3-4 year commitment completed)
you can vote earlier by surrendering youth-start allowance

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:
you can meet all those things long before 35, really if you haven't by 30 you probably never will

I disagree with national service though, i disagree with the idea of designating youth to be meat shields.
Particularly for Australia, Drone up it's our best defense as we can cover the vast coast line and it negates the low population issue. 'grunts' is the last thing our military needs. Dedicated Professionals all the way.

"National Service" can go well beyond military service...
And, remembering that there are only so many military vacancies each year -- and that most modern militaries only want people who are willing to be there..

In the same way that Sweden and Norway count time in the Merchant navy as an alternative to miltary service, you could also include 'time served' in other community/society benefit services, such as :
Volunteer and charity work
Foreign aid volunteer work
Bush fire brigade, SES, VRA, Surf Lifesaving, Red Cross
Environmental repair and Wildlife rescue volunteer work
Aged care and Disabled services volunteers
And the list goes on..

Just as long as those volunteers have clocked up enough productive and worthwhile voluntary service hours by the time they're 30 or 35..

"There's always more than one way to skin a cat !" cat

by Victorismyhero Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:53 am

and veya is of course quietly hoping the REAL issue will go away,,,,,

THAT 75% of the idle drunk/stoned braindead flatliners couldnt be bothered to get off their fekin arses and actually vote....so their "voice wanst heard...

you know what that is......fekin tough.....

if you cant be bothered to turn up...dont complain when things are decided without you

\indeed the remainders shoulnt be berating the "outers" for the result...they should take a look where the problem actually resides...in the apathetic moronic "youth" of today.

love him or loathe him TDYK's avatar said it all.......

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:36 pm

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 1942856362

AND EVEN IF you extend that "younger" age demographic up to 30 years old, rather than say 25...

You still have only 38% of younger Brit's of voting age turning out..

Meaning that some 62% of todays "younger" Brit's simply couldn't be bothered to crawl out on a nice summers day, and stand up for what they believe in !

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 3758365944

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 3758365944

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 802665275

So, After brexit we will need to raise more cash ....right??? 1858517897

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:00 pm

It is the younger people who are suffering from mass immigration as they see their wages kept down and their costs of living going up and their job prospects being less because of the increased completion as well as their access to public services getting worse...

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:04 pm

@ Tommy...

That's even more reason why you would expect more younger Brit's to have got out there and voted -- irrespective of which side they're on..

It's their future, as well.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:24 pm

And there is only bullshit polls to tell us that they didn't get out and vote...

by Syl Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:40 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

How about ...the elderly could be reprocessed and become food.
Waste not want not.

That is the premise of the movie. (plus criminals etc) very far sighted for 1973 predicts the 2 problems climate change and over population

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/

With the world ravaged by the greenhouse effect and overpopulation, an NYPD detective investigates the murder of a CEO with ties to the world's main food supply.

Oh right....I haven't seen the film. Smile

throughout the last century we had 2 world wars....surprised someone hasn't suggested another one of those to cull the rising population.

by nicko Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:33 pm

I think we should bring back National Service in Britain, then we will see who wants to fight for Britain and who pisses off to their country of birth ASAP.

by Syl Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:36 pm

I think National service would be good too.
Maybe for youngsters who have no chance or inclination to enter further education.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

It is the younger people who are suffering from mass immigration as they see their wages kept down and their costs of living going up and their job prospects being less because of the increased completion as well as their access to public services getting worse...

Young people are nearly three times more likely to be unemployed than the rest of the population, the largest gap in more than 20 years, according to an analysis of official figures.

The number of people aged 16-24 who are not in full-time education or employment has increased by 8,000 over the last quarter. With 498,000 in that age group without a job, an analysis by the House of Commons library for Labour shows that young people now fare comparatively worse than at any point since 1992.

Their unemployment rate is 14.4%. The overall unemployment rate now stands at 5.7% of the total working population, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Rachel Reeves, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said there could be “no doubt” that there was a genuine issue with youth unemployment that needed to be addressed.

She said: “It has been three months in a row [that youth unemployment has gone up]. It went up by 3,000 this month and 30,000 last month. There is an issue and we want ministers to focus on it before it becomes even more of a problem.

“We have got German levels of adult unemployment but the rest of Europe’s levels of youth unemployment. There are specific issues around youth unemployment.

“I don’t think there is any denying there is an issue here. Unemployment of people aged between 16 and 24 is more than 16% now. And is going up. And there is also a wages issue. Wages for the population as a whole are £1,600 a year worse off than five years ago. If you are in your 20s, average wages are down £1,800.”

Andrew Harrop, co-author of the report and general secretary of the Fabian Society, said: “The UK has endured a decade of falling living standards. Poverty and inequality are on the rise and our projections show they will continue to rise long into the future, unless politicians act.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/22/youth-unemployment-jobless-figure

by veya_victaous Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:40 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and veya is of course quietly hoping the REAL issue will go away,,,,,

THAT 75% of the idle drunk/stoned braindead flatliners couldnt be bothered to get off their fekin arses and actually vote....so their "voice wanst heard...

you know what that is......fekin tough.....

if you cant be bothered to turn up...dont complain when things are decided without you

\indeed the remainders shoulnt be berating the "outers" for the result...they should take a look where the problem actually resides...in the apathetic moronic "youth" of today.

love him or loathe him TDYK's avatar said it all.......

OR You could copy the most Glorious Downunder and make Compulsory voting Rolling Eyes

We, the Smart successful nation, do not have that problem, cause we solved it Wink

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:03 am

It's not the young people who didn't vote who are complaining... it is just some of the young people who did vote and voted renain who are complaining... and then only a small number of those...

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:06 am

by Original Quill Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:10 am

nicko wrote:I think we should bring back National Service in Britain, then we will see who wants to fight for Britain and who pisses off to their country of birth ASAP.

Hmmm...who wants to kill babies for mother Britain? I'm afraid your countrymen have grown up. Too bad for you. Mad

by nicko Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:52 am

Back to killing babies, you'r fucking pathetic, apart from being a coward who'd surrender before the first shot was fired. You and Veya,----------Twedle dee and Twedle dumb.

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