Israel proposes MORE settler homes in East Jerusalem and West Bank while supposedly holding peace talks with Kerry

by Guest Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:19 pm

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Israel unveils plans for more settler homes
Proposed units in occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem draw criticism from Netanyahu's own coalition partners.
Last updated: 10 Jan 2014 21:12

Israel has announced plans to build 1,400 new homes in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The country's Housing Ministry said on Friday that it planned to construct 801 housing units in the West Bank, another 600 in East Jerusalem, and re-issue tenders for 582 units in East Jerusalem, all on land seized during the 1967 Six Day War.

The announcement enraged some of the coalition partners of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, as well as Palestinians, who want the land for their future state and who have accused Israel of lacking a commitment to peace negotiations.

But even Netanyahu's largest coalition ally, the centrist Yesh Atid party, has criticised Friday's move.

"This is a bad idea which Yesh Atid will do all it can to ensure remains just an idea that will not be implemented," Yair Lapid, who also serves as Israel's finance minister, said.

In a statement, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian negotiator, said: "The recent announcement shows Israel's clear commitment to the destruction of peace efforts and the imposition of an apartheid regime."

He called the announcement a "test" of the US administration's ability to hold Israel accountable for its attempts to derail peace efforts.

John Kerry, the US secretary of state, has made multiple trips to Jerusalem since peace talks resumed in July 2013 after a three-year deadlock.

Kerry recently condemned Israel's practice of establishing settlements on occupied territory, calling them "illegitimate".

"Let me emphasise that the position of the United States is that we consider now, and have always considered, the settlements to be illegitimate," Kerry said at a November 2013 press conference.

'Bad idea'

Friday's announcement followed a pattern whereby Israel issues new building permits shortly after releasing Palestinian prisoners.

A group of 26 Palestinians were freed at the end of December 2013 under terms of an agreement brokered by Washington as part of ongoing peace negotiations.

Anti-settlement watchdog, Peace Now, said Israel has planned to build about 5,349 new homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since direct peace talks resumed.

"Netanyahu says that he is in principle in favour of a two-state solution but he has said in previous instances that the locations of these housing units would in any case be part of Israel - no matter what the outcome of a peace accord," Al Jazeera's Tom Ackerman, reporting from Jerusalem, said.

Previous peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine fell apart in 2010 due to a dispute over settlement construction and resumed talks have made very little progress.

More than 500,000 Jewish settlers currently live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Most countries consider Israel's settlements to be illegal.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/01/israel-announces-plans-more-settlements-2014110153735114390.html

What else is there to say. If Netanyahu wanted peace this would never even be considered.

by Guest Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:07 pm

well its clear you are terrified of debating this issue with me

since i came on here tonight you crashed and burned the thread and made excuse why you don't want to discuss it

looks to me like you take me deadly serious

by Guest Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:09 pm

I haven't crashed and burned the thread, we had already had a very good discussion, but you are beneath my radar, not worth the time. So go ahead and post all you want, I won't be replying until someone else posts.

by Guest Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:13 pm

yes you have

ive tried to talk about the situation in Israel and you've told me how much you aren't going to talk to me

now apparently you have given up completely

oh well, im sure i will survive

by Guest Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:44 pm

My favorite topic where on the one hand we have a left wing extremist argue about the land belonging to Palestinians a group of people given a name because of some land they live in to, a far right extremist that will argue the Jews have been there since God creation the world in 6 days and on the seventh he created Israel in 4000bc even though Israel did not exist until after 1000bc and that most of the world Jews are Ashkenazim, who in fact descend from Italy and not Israel.

Yes you hear it here first the argument based on absurdity from each side .

Yes this is the argument you are witnessing from two opposite spectrum, both will say a group of people which is everyone living there have a claim to the land and that claim comes off the back of people they never knew who died hundreds if not thousands of years ago. Its like the 5 year old child finding fairies at the bottom of his garden and proclaiming rights to controlling fairies and so can all his descendants because his father bought a piece of land.

That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there.

And we still wonder why both sides are at conflict with over these lands, now you know it has escalated out to the bounds of stupidity, now you have people who have no connection or ancestry from these lands argue other who does own them, when we all know nobody does, they just all belong in these lands and should be able to live together. But you won't se that answer from both sides they will argue through the most absurd claims to who might have once lived there should be rightful owners and you will see, it does not get any dafter than that this debate!

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:24 pm

once again you show that you don't actually understand either the argument or the history of the land nicely demonstrated by the fact that have nothing to add to the actual topic

for example you say this

"That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there"

that is a completely irrelevant comparison since there is no Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman or Celtic nation demanding that they they want their land back

is there??

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:26 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:once again you show that you don't actually understand either the argument or the history of the land nicely demonstrated by the fact that have nothing to add to the actual topic
Waffle, I understand the history of the land extremely well, some of us have qualifications in history

for example you say this

"That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there"

that is a completely irrelevant comparison since there is no Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman or Celtic nation demanding that they they want their land back

is there??
Really wanna bet on that?
What are the Welsh and Scottish and Irish?

Celts

Oh dear

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by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:35 pm

didn't realize the welsh and Scottish and Irish were launching rockets into England demanding their lands back

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:42 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:didn't realize the welsh and Scottish and Irish were launching rockets into England demanding their lands back

Some of the Irish are attacking British soil are they not and the Scots are seeking independence are they not!??

So what were you saying about my point being irrelevant?

That is had every relevance, I thought that is what you said and it must have been a typo on your part

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:16 pm

the Irish are fighting for Ireland not for mainland uk, they are not attacking England demanding the English get out of England and that England has always belonged to them

the Scots are peacefully and democratically going to decide their own future, they are not launching rockets into northern England demanding the English get out of England

its really not worth my time talking to a person that clearly doesn't understand anything about the conflict in Israel

and yes didge when all you have left is trying to compare a Scottish referendum for Independence with an Islamic terrorist organization launching attacks against Israel, it really highlights your lack of understanding

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:23 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:the Irish are fighting for Ireland not for mainland uk, they are not attacking England demanding the English get out of England and that England has always belonged to them
]Missing the point read again
"That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there"[/i]

the Scots are peacefully and democratically going to decide their own future, they are not launching rockets into northern England demanding the English get out of England
Yet they want to have independence, which means they view the land as theirs do they not?

its really not worth my time talking to a person that clearly doesn't understand anything about the conflict in Israel
No what is clear is that you are losing the debate, as you choose sides in a conflict when people suffer on both sides, that is sheer simpleness without resolving an issue that has gone on for 65 years.

and yes didge when all you have left is trying to compare a Scottish referendum for Independence with an Islamic terrorist organization launching attacks against Israel, it really highlights your lack of understanding

Nobody has denied threats from extremists in Northern Ireland and in Israel and Palestine, they are the Real IRA, the Zionists and Hamas

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by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:58 pm

you are losing this debate big time by creating some imaginary threat from the "Celts" who you seem to think are waging war on England with the demands that the English give their lands back

its mind boggling that you are comparing a Scottish referendum for Independence with an Islamic terrorist organization launching attacks against Israel

the sottish are not deciding whether to invade England and retake land that they views as being theirs,they are going to decide if they want to go it alone as an independent state

there is no question of who Scotland belongs to and its not a question of England forcibly occupying Scotland and England would not prevent the Scots from becoming independent nor would England invade Scotland when they do declare independence and try to "push the Scots into the sea"

you've gone of the reservation here

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:08 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:you are losing this debate big time by creating some imaginary threat from the "Celts" who you seem to think are waging war on England with the demands that the English give their lands back
Nope read again what I said:
"That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who never actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there"

Not once do I even mention conflict but claims to lands, is this point starting to hit home yet?

its mind boggling that you are comparing a Scottish referendum for Independence with an Islamic terrorist organization launching attacks against Israel.
No I am comparing groups of people with claims to lands, which with a threat there is one within Northern Ireland, something you quietly ignore, because it debunks your argument

the sottish are not deciding whether to invade England and retake land that they views as being theirs,they are going to decide if they want to go it alone as an independent state
Irrelevant as it misses the point on claims to lands
there is no question of who Scotland belongs to and its not a question of England forcibly occupying Scotland and England would not prevent the Scots from becoming independent nor would England invade Scotland when they do declare independence and try to "push the Scots into the sea"
Irrelevant as it misses the point on claims to lands

you've gone of the reservation here

English letting you down again?
So again you missed the point from the passage you took of mine on ownership of land which if we look at ones where there is conflicts, that would be Northern Ireland also if you wish to go down that road. I could also then throw in Bosnia and Serbia to the same issue, how also where there was conflict to land and how did this get resolved smelly?
You are running out of counters

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by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:34 pm

incorrect you have directly compared the imaginary threat posed by the "Celts" to the Palestinians and the Scottish referendum to the terror attacks on Israel by the Palestinians

this is what you said remember

the Scots are peacefully and democratically going to decide their own future, they are not launching rockets into northern England demanding the English get out of England

Yet they want to have independence, which means they view the land as theirs do they not?

it doesn't appear that you are even following your own train of thought, because you have completely u turned

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:37 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:incorrect you have directly compared the imaginary threat posed by the "Celts" to the Palestinians and the Scottish referendum to the terror attacks on Israel by the Palestinians
Incorrect again, read again what I said

"That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who never actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there"

this is what you said remember

the Scots are peacefully and democratically going to decide their own future, they are not launching rockets into northern England demanding the English get out of England

Yet they want to have independence, which means they view the land as theirs do they not?

it doesn't appear that you are even following your own train of thought, because you have completely u turned

Yes they claim the land as their do they not, but again most people think Scotland will stay within Britain.

You are now clutching at straws again I am showing how daft it is on claims of land by nations, even more so when it leads to conflict and as shown we have conflict with Northern Ireland and we had with Serbia and Bosnia, something you keep avoiding where both there is claims to land and conflict was fought over. We then have in both reconciliations.. So keep sticking to Scotland if you wish to clutch at straws, you missed the whole point about if people decided in this nation who could live here based on descendants, this point going so far above your head it cleared the moon

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by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:53 pm

you're talking complete rubbish now

you compared the situation in Israel with imaginary Celts in the UK actively fighting to reclaim their lands

you created an imaginary where Scotland Ireland and wales, were the same as Gaza and the west bank and England was Israel

and that bizarrely the NI troubles and the Scottish referendum was the same as the Palestinians attacking Israel

you're off your rocker and now you've realized how outlandish your claims are you're expanding your delusion and including Serbia and Bosnia to try and bolster your failing arguments

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:58 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:you're talking complete rubbish now
No counter, waffle

you compared the situation in Israel with imaginary Celts in the UK actively fighting to reclaim their lands
So Celts in Northern Ireland are not fighting over claims of disputed land, really?

you created an imaginary where Scotland Ireland and wales, were the same as Gaza and the west bank and England was Israel
Who is to say it does not turn into a conflict by some if they do not get independence when there is such a movement already ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Liberation_Army

Oh dear

and that bizarrely the NI troubles and the Scottish referendum was the same as the Palestinians attacking Israel
Israel has also attacked Palestine on many occasions, the Real Ira has attacked Northern Ireland and Britain on countless occasions

you're off your rocker and now you've realized how outlandish your claims are you're expanding your delusion and including Serbia and Bosnia to try and bolster your failing arguments

So Northern Ireland and Bosnia and Serbia ignored again. Smelly misses the point on claims of land and as seen now thinks Northern Ireland is not a dispute over ownership of Land

You do bring new meaning to the concept clutching at straws

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by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:06 pm

Why not stick to the fact Phil. Israel didn't exist, we, and others made it, to give the Jews a country after the war. However, since then, they have expanded and expanded, taken land that is not theirs, continue to take land that is not theirs, dropped white phosporus on a civilian population, and the only reason Sharon left Gaza was because he knew he had spead his troops too thinly and it was unstainable. The home affairs minister has admitted they want all of Palestine. They blew up with a drone the Hamas leader who was carrying a peace agreement, because they don't want peace, they want Palestine. Meanwhile, they keep Gaza blockaded in terrible conditions and carrying on taking every bit of the West Bank they can lay their hands on. Them's the facts, acknowledge by most of the world now. I'm not arguing about it, because there is nothing to argue about. Thats the situation, everything else is just waffle.

Meanwhile, five years after operation Cast Lead, Israel is still getting away with war crimes.

This year marks the fifth anniversary of Operation Cast Lead, Israel's 22-day offensive (December 27-January 18) on the Gaza Strip. Sitting in Gaza today it is hard to believe that five years have passed.

The horrors of that offensive remain indelibly etched in the minds of all Gazans. For 22 days we were closed in and relentlessly attacked, while the world watched as war crimes were broadcast live on television. At the end of the offensive over 1,400 Palestinians were dead; 82 percent of them - the overwhelming majority - were innocent civilians. In January 2009, Gaza looked like the scene of a natural disaster. Its people stood numb and in shock. But in the middle of the destruction and the loss, there was hope.

We believed that the world had to react: Who can forget the sight of white phosphorous raining down over Gaza City, and the suffering and death it caused to our families? Who can forget the indiscriminate artillery bombardment, the drone attacks that killed only civilians and children, or the bulldozers and explosive charges that left the homes in the Gaza Strip in ruins? We believed that justice would be done for the innocent civilians, and those responsible would be held to account.

The report of the UN Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Strip, confirmed our lawyers' and fieldworkers' findings: There was significant evidence indicating the widespread and systematic commission of war crimes in the Gaza Strip. The UN Mission concluded that Israel's policies were premised on a "deliberate policy of disproportionate force", aimed not at the enemy but at the "supporting infrastructure", concluding that "n practise, this appears to have meant the civilian population".

Accordingly, the Mission recommended that the allegations of war crimes committed during Operation Cast Lead had to be effectively investigated and those responsible for international crimes prosecuted. The Mission recommended also that, if domestic investigations proved inadequate, the Security Council should refer the situation to the International Criminal Court.

In 2009 the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) submitted 490 criminal complaints (on behalf of 1,046 victims of Operation Cast Lead) to the Israeli Military Prosecutor. Among these cases were the most infamous incidents of the offensive, such as the killing of 21 members of the Samouni family, the attacks on schools, the use of white phosphorous, and the killing of civilians carrying white flags. Over the last five years PCHR has received only 40 responses in relation to these cases, almost all of which were interlocutory, indicating that a complaint had been received. Just three responses indicated that the cases had been closed (including that of the Samouni family), while one indicated that a soldier had been charged (and subsequently prosecuted). In the horrors of the offensive, it was the theft of a credit card that resulted in a prosecution.

In the last five years the Israeli justice system has systematically turned its back on Palestinian victims and the rule of law. Israel has refused to effectively investigate allegations of war crimes and to fulfil its obligations under international law, instead extending blank impunity to its soldiers and officials.

Not even civil compensation claims have had any chance of success. The obstacles imposed on victims from Gaza seeking compensation before Israeli courts include prohibitive court guarantees, a requirement that power of attorney forms be signed by an Israeli diplomat (impossible given the Israeli-imposed closure of the Gaza Strip), and Amendment No 8 which exempts Israel from any liability arising during a "combat action" (the very situations which international humanitarian law was intended to address).

This injustice is no longer acceptable and demands international intervention. If international law is to be effective, it must be enforced through the appropriate bodies, at the UN level and through the International Criminal Court (ICC). The world, however, has turned its back on the civilians of Gaza and on justice.

Significant pressure has been exerted on the government of Palestine to prevent it from joining the ICC. To its shame, the Palestinian government has so far buckled under this pressure.

However, this is not the end of the story. In January 2009, Palestine accepted the jurisdiction of the ICC: despite the ICC Prosecutor's April 2012 shameful "decision not to decide", the situation in Palestine can nevertheless be subject to the jurisdiction of the Court. The ICC Prosecutor can and must take concrete steps towards ending impunity in Israel and Palestine, and ensuring that victims' right to justice is served.

We are not asking for special treatment: All we ask for is equality. Dignity, equality, humanity, these are the cornerstone of human rights and international law. If war crimes are committed those responsible must be held to account. This is a principle accepted around the world, but five years later, trapped behind the on-going illegal closure of the Gaza Strip, we are still waiting for it to be applied.

We are still demanding justice. Without justice we know that peace will remain a distant illusion.

Thats five years ago. 14 months ago was the same.

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:11 pm

Dear me, here we go again, from one extreme to the other both again not helping the problem, but fueling the problem.

Israel did once exist actually Sassy

Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) (1020–931 BCE), the kingdom established by the Israelites and uniting them under a single king

Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) (931–722 BCE), the kingdom of northern Israel

Again daft claims to land continuing this conflict

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:13 pm

And you were the one talking about no good going way back in history when I said it was Arab land in 1917 when this started. 1020- 931 BCE, FGS, behave man.

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:16 pm

Sassy wrote:And you were the one talking about no good going way back in history when I said it was Arab land in 1917 when this started. 1020- 931 BCE, FGS, behave man.

Jesus wept did you read my last point, here it is again:

Again daft claims to land continuing this conflict

My other post for you:

My favorite topic where on the one hand we have a left wing extremist argue about the land belonging to Palestinians a group of people given a name because of some land they live in to, a far right extremist that will argue the Jews have been there since God creation the world in 6 days and on the seventh he created Israel in 4000bc even though Israel did not exist until after 1000bc and that most of the world Jews are Ashkenazim, who in fact descend from Italy and not Israel.

Yes you hear it here first the argument based on absurdity from each side .

Yes this is the argument you are witnessing from two opposite spectrum, both will say a group of people which is everyone living there have a claim to the land and that claim comes off the back of people they never knew who died hundreds if not thousands of years ago. Its like the 5 year old child finding fairies at the bottom of his garden and proclaiming rights to controlling fairies and so can all his descendants because his father bought a piece of land.

That is the essence of the argument, here two daft claims to land not by people who actually lived in the past but by people claiming a land because of an association to descendants that once lived there. Well bugger me sideways, lets turn the world on its head and throw out all Saxon, Angles, Jutes, Vikings, Roman and Celt ethnicity people from the British Isles, only people who are descended from the Basque people have a right to control the British Isle, I mean this is a debate about ownership to land by some daft notion of when people once lived there.

And we still wonder why both sides are at conflict with over these lands, now you know it has escalated out to the bounds of stupidity, now you have people who have no connection or ancestry from these lands argue other who does own them, when we all know nobody does, they just all belong in these lands and should be able to live together. But you won't se that answer from both sides they will argue through the most absurd claims to who might have once lived there should be rightful owners and you will see, it does not get any dafter than that this debate!

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:17 pm

Jesus wept yourself. Those are the facts, I'm not arguing about it. You two can waffle away to your heart's content.

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:20 pm

No I am showing both of you are wrong clearly as you both seek to blame and take sides, which helps nobody as seen, both extreme in your views on this conflict!

I am showing when both of you make absurd claims, they are easily shown up!

by Guest Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:38 pm

And what do you do didge?!

Offer up nothing but pipe dreams and wishful thinking whilst ignoring all the events that led us here

You ignore the religious motivation of the conflict even after I posted all the religious references in Hamas's charter

You don't seem to understand that there is a right and a wrong in this

The Arabs started this conflict and they have escalated it throughout the decades

You conveniently ignore this fact, you conveniently ignore the multiple genocidal wars that have been waged against Israel

And take greater offence at Israels defence of her people and border than you do at suicide bombers in Israeli coffee shop and Palestinian rockets into Israeli schools

If Israel were truly as bad as you and your mate sassy seem to think they are - there wouldn't be a Palestine

Considering the history of the Jews, I think they have shown remarkable restraint humanity and compassion towards their genocidal neighbours in "Palestine"

Israel does not need to back down or make concessions to genocidal Muslims

It is the Muslims who need to accept Israel

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:19 am

smelly_bandit wrote:And what do you do didge?!
Waffle

Offer up nothing but pipe dreams and wishful thinking whilst ignoring all the events that led us here
Waffle

You ignore the religious motivation of the conflict even after I posted all the religious references in Hamas's charter
Really since when?

You don't seem to understand that there is a right and a wrong in this
Just plenty of wrongs

The Arabs started this conflict and they have escalated it throughout the decades
Here we go again back to casting blame, Sassy does this and each side had done this without any resolution

You conveniently ignore this fact, you conveniently ignore the multiple genocidal wars that have been waged against Israel
Ignore what? Again how did reconciliation happen in the examples I gave you? BY making out which side started it, no, both sides do wrongs, like Sassy you only see wrong from one side when both do wrong, hence why your argument is always set to fail

And take greater offence at Israels defence of her people and border than you do at suicide bombers in Israeli coffee shop and Palestinian rockets into Israeli schools
I take offence at wrongs done by both sides again you only see wrongs done by one side, that is being blinded with bias and no reality of the situation

If Israel were truly as bad as you and your mate sassy seem to think they are - there wouldn't be a Palestine
Eh, here we go again, to me both sides are wrong, how many times do I need to explain this?

Considering the history of the Jews, I think they have shown remarkable restraint humanity and compassion towards their genocidal neighbours in "Palestine"
Actually Israel has also committed war crimes, killed innocent women and children, just as Hamas tries and does do the same. I think both sides have though idiots that keep using claims to the land, which is absurd when they should all be able to live together, excpet each side does not and continues with the conflict

Israel does not need to back down or make concessions to genocidal Muslims
So all Palestinians, including women and children are now genocidal Muslims and that Israelis never commit crimes? Seriously again your arguments are absurd, they seek to cast blame whilst at the same time excusing wrongs done by Israel.

It is the Muslims who need to accept Israel

It is both sides that need to accept each other, and this will only be done when both sides denounce both Zionists and Hamas

I also see you have gone very quite about my last counter showing those with conflicts, to ramble on about blame again, which helps no side
So again I want peace for both sides, which will mean both stopping wrongs, both being recognised by the other and seeking reconciliation

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:34 pm

Boring

Can't see any point continuing to enable your delusions and pipe

You don't accept the events that led us here

You don't accept the religious factor

In fact your solution to the entire issue is akin to a child screaming for his parents to stop fighting

You keep waffling about reconciliation but reconciliation needs for everyone involved to acknowledge their fault and part in it, but without accepting who started it and escalated it (the arab Muslims) there cannot be reconciliation

So please stop boring us with your begging and pleading for peace, mr ban Ki moon

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:38 pm

According to B’Tselem there are 124 official settlements in the West Bank with approximately 350,000 residents in 2013. Official settlements are all authorized by the Israeli government, have approved planning schemes, and receive the same benefits and services as towns within Israel’s pre-1967 borders.

In addition to official settlements there are approximately 100 “outpost” settlements located throughout the West Bank. These communities are built without official approval from the Israeli government, but with financial support from Israeli government ministries and agencies. Although even the Israeli government recognizes these communities as illegal, it provides most "outposts” with state funded protection and access to water, electricity, and other basic services. Together, settlements and outposts control approximately 42% of the total land area of the West Bank.

There are an additional 14 official settlements in occupied East Jerusalem Conservative estimates place the settler population in east Jerusalem at just over 200,000 people, although recent estimates indicate that as many as 300,000 settlers may live in East Jerusalem.

According to BigAndy9, there are 5 million unwanted settlers in the UK, taking up houses, hospital beds, school places and tax money.

Terrorising neighbourhoods, stabbing and shooting Londoners and each other on a weekly basis and generally trashing the areas they live.

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:09 pm

1,400 homes? That's not bad.

In a speech in Stevenage, the Labour leader criticised "stick in the mud councils" that block development plans by neighbouring authorities.

And he said developers "hoarding" land that has planning permission for new homes must either "use or lose it".

Labour plans to build 200,000 homes a year in England by 2020.

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:17 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:Boring
No debate

Can't see any point continuing to enable your delusions and pipe
No debate

You don't accept the events that led us here
No debate

You don't accept the religious factor
No debate

In fact your solution to the entire issue is akin to a child screaming for his parents to stop fighting
No my solution is for both sides to be recognised by each other and to live in peace, you and sassy both choose sides when each do wrongs

You keep waffling about reconciliation but reconciliation needs for everyone involved to acknowledge their fault and part in it, but without accepting who started it and escalated it (the arab Muslims) there cannot be reconciliation
Yes correct that means both sides need to recognise they have done wrongs and as seen I have given you examples in history where many people thought it could not happen and did. Your view only sees wrongs by Muslims, not by Jews, when on both sides, there is Hamas and Zionists that are continuing the conflict, so th road to peace is the people on both sides standing against them and both sides do have people against them, this needs though to grow

So please stop boring us with your begging and pleading for peace, mr ban Ki moon

Yes I want peace and reconciliation as no side is right in this they are both wrong.

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by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:09 pm

you are correct

there is no debate.

all you're doing is ignoring ALL the facts and simply saying the same thing - that both sides need to kiss and make up

you're about as useful as the impotent UN wringing its hands on the sideline in an attempt to stop an African genocide

if you're not willing to accept the reasons why these two are scrapping then you need to exit the debate because we have all heard your point of views several times now.

well done, you're a master peacemaker i think ban ki moon should step aside and let you run the UN

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:24 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:you are correct
No debate

there is no debate.
No debate

all you're doing is ignoring ALL the facts and simply saying the same thing - that both sides need to kiss and make up
No debate

you're about as useful as the impotent UN wringing its hands on the sideline in an attempt to stop an African genocide
No debate

if you're not willing to accept the reasons why these two are scrapping then you need to exit the debate because we have all heard your point of views several times now.
No debate

well done, you're a master peacemaker i think ban ki moon should step aside and let you run the UN

No debate

Next

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:04 pm

yes phil im well aware that you are not debating there is no need to tell us all that you have no debate to what im saying

i take it this means you're done

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:20 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:yes phil im well aware that you are not debating there is no need to tell us all that you have no debate to what im saying

i take it this means you're done

That is the point you have not debated anything in your last few post except to tell me I do not understand when clearly I do , in other words you have exhausted all arguments which shows all you can do is cast blame only to one side and not both and that you do not want reconciliation and peace either, in fact you stated quite clearly about starting new Holcaust by wiping out both Gaza and the West Bank, so its pretty clear what page you are on, the murder of millions of people in these lands, even if they are Christian as well, being as Christians live there as well.

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:28 pm

yes you are correct

all arguments have been used and you have ignored them all,when you say "no debate" that means you're not interested in debating the point

i cannot force you to debate the issue if your standard reply to everything is "both side need to kiss and make up"

by Guest Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:34 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:yes you are correct
No counter again

all arguments have been used and you have ignored them all,when you say "no debate" that means you're not interested in debating the point
No counter again

i cannot force you to debate the issue if your standard reply to everything is "both side need to kiss and make up"

Try answering again:

That is the point you have not debated anything in your last few post except to tell me I do not understand when clearly I do , in other words you have exhausted all arguments which shows all you can do is cast blame only to one side and not both and that you do not want reconciliation and peace either, in fact you stated quite clearly about starting new Holocaust by wiping out both Gaza and the West Bank, so its pretty clear what page you are on, the murder of millions of people in these lands, even if they are Christian as well, being as Christians live there as well.

by Guest Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:19 am

EL oh el didge

I'm not sure what it is you're looking for, every time i say anything you tell me you have no counter or debate to it

If you annoy counter my views then I view this as you accepting my points of view

by Guest Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:57 am

smelly_bandit wrote:EL oh el didge

I'm not sure what it is you're looking for, every time i say anything you tell me you have no counter or debate to it

If you annoy counter my views then I view this as you accepting my points of view

No counter again, best avoidance to date, bravo

by Guest Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:41 pm

that's hardly your best avoidance to date didge

your best is when you fabricate things Ive said and then focus on those imaginary posts and avoid the topic completely

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