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Post by Guest Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:07 pm

Thailand's Tiger Temple saga isn't over yet
Carol Hills, GlobalPost 6:28 a.m. EDT June 3, 2016
What could be more enticing to a visitor to Thailand: A tiger sanctuary run by Buddhist monks a few hours from the hustle and bustle of Bangkok.
But now the operators of the infamous Wat Pha Luang Ta Bua temple, known as the Tiger Temple and long suspected of wildlife trafficking and animal abuse, are finally getting punished for it.

"International and local NGOs have been calling out this Tiger Temple for citations of animal abuse, of illegal trafficking, illegal selling for years," says Adam Ramsey, a reporter based in Bangkok. "So it's actually more of a question of, why did it take so long?"

The temple has been a favorite tourist stop in Thailand, charging admission for visitors to take photos and cuddle with the animals.

On May 30 Thai officials and staff from the Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand and other NGOs arrived at the temple to start removing its collection of adult tigers, thought to number 137. The monks refused them entry. The next day the group returned with a court order that allowed them to force their way in. Ramsey was there for the raid. "They had their tranquilizer guns. They knew where and which tigers they were going to try and get, which would be the easiest to place into the cages, sedate and relocate."
There was confusion in the early hours of the raid, however, which Ramsey said was supposed to start at 9 a.m. but didn't begin in earnest until five hours later. During the delay, visitors continued to show up for photo ops with the big cats. "Tourists were still coming in and seeing the tigers, sitting down and taking selfies so that didn't help with the confusion," he says. By the end of that first day, Thai officials managed to get the system up and running so they could safely and easily tranquilize the tigers, place them in cages and then drive them to a research center where they'll be held.

Thai wildlife officials set aside a week to transport the live adult tigers to a new location. On the second day they came upon a disturbing discovery: 40 tiger cub corpses and numerous body parts from other animals preserved in a freezer.

When Ramsey inquired, the mostly volunteer local and international staff at the temple said the frozen baby tigers were a result of a 2010 policy change.

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"The veterinarian in charge used to cremate any tiger cubs that died because a lot of tiger cubs die, even in captivity. I think it's about one in three," says Ramsey. "But when the Tiger Temple started being accused of trafficking in tiger cubs the veterinarian changed the policy. They now freeze them, in part to prove that they're not selling tiger cubs on the black market. So it was meant to act as proof that, no, these tigers died naturally and we still have their bodies just in case you thought that we sold them off."

But three days into the operation, that explanation seemed to fall apart. On Thursday, Thai police stopped a truck as it was leaving the Tiger Temple. Inside they found two complete tiger skins, about 700 amulets made from tiger parts and 10 tiger teeth. The two men in the truck were arrested and charged with possession of illegal wildlife. A monk was also detained.
Animal rights activists, environmentalists and wildlife conservationists have long criticized the temple for not properly caring for the animals, and accused them of trafficking in tigers and tiger parts. An adult tiger skin can fetch anywhere from $6,000 to $10,000.

In spite of the apparent abuses, Ramsey says the mostly volunteer staff at the temple love the tigers and are devoted to their care. He believes it's important to distinguish between the monks who are in charge of the temple and its business and the people who actually work with the cats. "The truth is that on the ground the monks have very little if anything to do with the tigers day to day. That falls to a number of local and foreign volunteers and staff. These are people who are really out of the loop in terms of what is happening, who's making decisions."

The Tiger Temple's origin story is a bit murky. Buddhist monks founded it in 1994 as a forest sanctuary in Kanchanaburi Province a few hours west of Bangkok. The story goes that villagers brought the monks seven or eight tiger cubs in 2001. "They gave them to the monks because they felt the monks could look after them at least in the short term," says Ramsey. "Thailand's DNP [Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation] knew this was happening and allowed them to hold onto them for a bit."

The tigers stuck around, and the temple's business took off. "Tiger cubs used to be the main attraction. It's what the tourists really want to see. They want to hold a tiger and feed a tiger cub," Ramsey says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/03/thailands-tiger-temple-saga-isnt-over-yet/85334156/
I'm so proud of the people like Adam Ramsey for reporting this  and the International World Agencies that keep watch - react and intervene when they find such heinous situations like this.
Good Grief - even the Buddhist Monks making profits off of illegal sales of a endangered species ...can't get much lower on the morality bar than that! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by eddie Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:15 pm

Buddhists are doing this?? Buddhists???

What a mockery of all their supposed values - especially towards animals. They're vegetarian for goodness sake!
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Post by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:37 pm

Idea

BUDDHISTS don't have to be vegetarian...

BUDDHIST monks and nuns don't have to be celibate..

IT IS a choice that they make --  choosing those options supposedly helps them reach that higher plane of awareness quicker, and gets them a couple of steps closer to finally reaching "Nirvana"..

ONE only has to consider some of those countries that do have Buddhism as their major religion :
Thailand
Burma
Nepal
Vietnam
Cambodia


LIKEWISE,  while many Buddhist sects do respect all life, and take extra care not to harm any animals unnecessarily, many others don't necessarily hold life in such high esteem.

AT THE same time, one can also find some sections of Christianity (e.g. Franciscans), Judaism, Islam and Hinduism, that each hold life in general, and animal welfare in particular, in higher regard, than what their average general fellow religious faithful might...  

I OFTEN HEAR people expounding a lot of wrong ideas and misunderstandings about Buddhism.   Another is that old furphy that "Buddhists don't believe in Gods !"  Wrong again -- many buddhists do believe in Gods..   And demons, ghosts, nature 'spirits'...       cyclops
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Post by Eilzel Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:10 pm

Buddhists believe in gods usually, that is true. Though Buddhism doesn't have a god, they usually adopt those from Taoist or Hindu pantheons (or both as is the case with my BF's family).

And wolfie is right, most aren't vegetarian either (Hindu's seem to be more likely to be veggie's in practice). Like most religions its ultimately pick and choose which parts of your religious philosophy you take seriously. An ultra devout Buddhist will be a celibate vegan of course, but most aren't.

The Tiger Temple is grotesque though, but honestly I think the inaction of the authorities is partly BECAUSE it is monks at the top. No one dares offend those self important monks. Religious figures are extrenely highly reverred in Thailand and it is a major taboo to show any disrespect (unless they disrespect themselves in which case their position is over). I can't stand them, they get fat in lavish temples and take peoples' money who think a few chants will bring them good luck- this is of course a whole other level of disgrace and I hope ultimately the place is closed down.
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Post by Guest Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:24 pm

eddie wrote:Buddhists are doing this?? Buddhists???

What a mockery of all their supposed values - especially towards animals. They're vegetarian for goodness sake!

Well, you had the 'BUDDHISTS' part correct Wink

Just as with any 'faith' and any given opportunity to hide/keep/sell those captive breeding projects that these cretins were doing -
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Post by eddie Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:08 pm

Eilzel wrote:Buddhists believe in gods usually, that is true. Though Buddhism doesn't have a god, they usually adopt those from Taoist or Hindu pantheons (or both as is the case with my BF's family).

And wolfie is right, most aren't vegetarian either (Hindu's seem to be more likely to be veggie's in practice). Like most religions its ultimately pick and choose which parts of your religious philosophy you take seriously. An ultra devout Buddhist will be a celibate vegan of course, but most aren't.

The Tiger Temple is grotesque though, but honestly I think the inaction of the authorities is partly BECAUSE it is monks at the top. No one dares offend those self important monks. Religious figures are extrenely highly reverred in Thailand and it is a major taboo to show any disrespect (unless they disrespect themselves in which case their position is over). I can't stand them, they get fat in lavish temples and take peoples' money who think a few chants will bring them good luck- this is of course a whole other level of disgrace and I hope ultimately the place is closed down.

Thanks for the info Les
Have you been there yourself?
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Post by Eilzel Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:33 am

No. I heard about the place before my first visit and was disgusted. I knew about the chains and drugs long ago (you can touch their heads they are so drugged as to not care).

I have been to Tiger Kingdom, which has no chains and specifically tells you not to touch their heads or approach from the front, only the trainers offer protection. I have since begin to think even that place is auestionsble but certainly not to the same extreme as Tiger Temple- no stories have arose from Tiger Kingdom as yet to be fair to them and the tigers did seem well looked after.
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Post by eddie Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:49 am

I guess as long as people are prepared to pay, then we will keep being offered these animals to us, in this way.

Very sad.
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