Historic Sex Abuse Cases In General

Syl wrote:I agree that compensation should not be awarded....I think being heard and believed, knowing the person who caused so much pain is named is the main priority to most people.

I dont think any person, be they victim or accused should be publicly named till either charges are brought (if they are living) or found guilty (if dead)

I do think investigating dead people is valid....Saville died before anything was proven, why should his name remain untarnished...and why should the thousands of people he and his BBC cronies abused not be heard?

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:I agree that compensation should not be awarded....I think being heard and believed, knowing the person who caused so much pain is named is the main priority to most people.

I dont think any person, be they victim or accused should be publicly named till either charges are brought (if they are living) or found guilty (if dead)

I do think investigating dead people is valid....Saville died before anything was proven, why should his name remain untarnished...and why should the thousands of people he and his BBC cronies abused not be heard?

Have a greenie.   How can we learn not to dismiss cases like Saville is we never know about them because he died.

Syl wrote:

sassy wrote:


Have a greenie.   How can we learn not to dismiss cases like Saville is we never know about them because he died.

Thanks Sassy, x
He was so vile, and the awful thing is so many people KNEW he was vile yet stayed quiet. If the ball had not started rolling after he died, him, and so many others would have gotten away with it all. Some are still alive...they could still be acting the same way.
Age doesn't seem to stop some of the dirty old bastards.

Syl wrote:I agree that compensation should not be awarded....I think being heard and believed, knowing the person who caused so much pain is named is the main priority to most people.

I dont think any person, be they victim or accused should be publicly named till either charges are brought (if they are living) or found guilty (if dead)

I do think investigating dead people is valid....Saville died before anything was proven, why should his name remain untarnished...and why should the thousands of people he and his BBC cronies abused not be heard?

Ben_Reilly wrote:Don't the victims deserve some kind of compensation, though?

As for a time limit, most sexual assaults don't happen in a vacuum; the victim usually had some form of relationship with the attacker. Often, the victim hasn't just been assaulted, but also betrayed by someone she or he trusted or even loved. It seems cruel to demand that someone who's been through that sort of thing report it immediately.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Don't the victims deserve some kind of compensation, though?

As for a time limit, most sexual assaults don't happen in a vacuum; the victim usually had some form of relationship with the attacker. Often, the victim hasn't just been assaulted, but also betrayed by someone she or he trusted or even loved. It seems cruel to demand that someone who's been through that sort of thing report it immediately.

Well there's a possibility that the possibility of financial compensation could trigger false accusations, and besides, how will money compensate for anything if the allegation is genuine?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well there's a possibility that the possibility of financial compensation could trigger false accusations, and besides, how will money compensate for anything if the allegation is genuine?

Are false accusations such a massive problem that victims should get nothing?

Compensation is a traditional aspect of justice. If I was found guilty of stealing and totaling your car, you'd expect compensation, right? Isn't sexual assault a far worse crime?

eddie wrote:I think you're wrong on this one rags and I tend to agree with everyone else; you can't allow a few lying, cheating chancers to ruin other's chances of seeking justice.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well there's a possibility that the possibility of financial compensation could trigger false accusations, and besides, how will money compensate for anything if the allegation is genuine?

Are false accusations such a massive problem that victims should get nothing?

Compensation is a traditional aspect of justice. If I was found guilty of stealing and totaling your car, you'd expect compensation, right? Isn't sexual assault a far worse crime?

I think false accusations could be a massive problem actually - what with it all being historical and therefore difficult to prove one way or another.

If you steal my car, you're taking something of financial value. Do you think it's the same thing?

Raggamuffin wrote:The other question is - what should be done about those who have clearly invented a story? Should there not be some penalty for that? Look at the story in the link. Should that guy now pay Tiffany Carter for the anguish his false accusation caused her? He has humiliated her big time, and probably ruined her life to an extent.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Are false accusations such a massive problem that victims should get nothing?

Compensation is a traditional aspect of justice. If I was found guilty of stealing and totaling your car, you'd expect compensation, right? Isn't sexual assault a far worse crime?

I think false accusations could be a massive problem actually - what with it all being historical and therefore difficult to prove one way or another.

If you steal my car, you're taking something of financial value. Do you think it's the same thing?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:


I think false accusations could be a massive problem actually - what with it all being historical and therefore difficult to prove one way or another.

If you steal my car, you're taking something of financial value. Do you think it's the same thing?

Not even a little. I think a car is an object that can be replaced. Sexual assault is stealing someone's dignity and self-ownership, akin to slavery in that the assailant is taking possession of the victim by threat of force. Someone who endures that has lost a lot more than someone whose car was stolen.

Again -- is false accusation so burdensome for the accused that it means a rape victim deserves no compensation?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The other question is - what should be done about those who have clearly invented a story? Should there not be some penalty for that? Look at the story in the link. Should that guy now pay Tiffany Carter for the anguish his false accusation caused her? He has humiliated her big time, and probably ruined her life to an extent.

False accusers should be sued for libel.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:


I think false accusations could be a massive problem actually - what with it all being historical and therefore difficult to prove one way or another.

If you steal my car, you're taking something of financial value. Do you think it's the same thing?

Not even a little. I think a car is an object that can be replaced. Sexual assault is stealing someone's dignity and self-ownership, akin to slavery in that the assailant is taking possession of the victim by threat of force. Someone who endures that has lost a lot more than someone whose car was stolen.

Again -- is false accusation so burdensome for the accused that it means a rape victim deserves no compensation?

The point is that you're putting a monetary value on dignity, which has no financial value.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The point is that you're putting a monetary value on dignity, which has no financial value.

Really? So if you were assaulted, you wouldn't want to be compensated?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:I agree that compensation should not be awarded....I think being heard and believed, knowing the person who caused so much pain is named is the main priority to most people.

I dont think any person, be they victim or accused should be publicly named till either charges are brought (if they are living) or found guilty (if dead)

I do think investigating dead people is valid....Saville died before anything was proven, why should his name remain untarnished...and why should the thousands of people he and his BBC cronies abused not be heard?

What difference does it make to Saville if his name is tarnished or not though?

Raggamuffin wrote:The other question is - what should be done about those who have clearly invented a story? Should there not be some penalty for that? Look at the story in the link. Should that guy now pay Tiffany Carter for the anguish his false accusation caused her? He has humiliated her big time, and probably ruined her life to an extent.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The other question is - what should be done about those who have clearly invented a story? Should there not be some penalty for that? Look at the story in the link. Should that guy now pay Tiffany Carter for the anguish his false accusation caused her? He has humiliated her big time, and probably ruined her life to an extent.

Yes people do get punished for lying and wasting police time, don't they?
I think it should be a really much harsher  punishment too.