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Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:38 pm

BRAVO...many hopes and fortified prayers that this hits the gun manufacturer where it hurts the worst --- their bottom line! 
Screw you NRA!!!

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Sandy Hook Families' Lawsuit Against
Gun Companies Can Move Forward, Judge Says
April 14, 20163:44 PM ET    NPR -  Laura Wagner             

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A handout photo from the Connecticut State Police shows the Bushmaster rifle used in the December 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

A handout photo from the Connecticut State Police shows the Bushmaster rifle used in the December 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.                   
A Connecticut judge has ruled that a lawsuit against the manufacturer and seller of the weapon used in the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012 can proceed.
The gun companies had sought to dismiss the lawsuit filed by nine victims' families and a survivor, which names Remington Arms, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle, model XM15-E2S; as well as the distributor and seller.
Gunman Adam Lanza used the firearm to kill 20 children and six adults at the school in Newtown, Conn.
Katie Toth of NPR member station WSHU reports that Thursday's ruling "is a victory for the survivors and families of shooting victims who filed the lawsuit."
She says lawyers for the gun companies had pointed "to a federal law that prevents certain lawsuits against gun makers when those guns are used in a crime." But Toth notes, "The companies could still try to get the lawsuit thrown out based on the merits of the case."
Superior Court Judge Barbara Bellis ruled that the law "does not prevent lawyers for the families of Sandy Hook victims from arguing that the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle is a military weapon and should not have been sold to civilians," The Associated Press reports.
As the Two-Way reported in February:
"The lawsuit was initially filed in state court in Connecticut in December of 2014, two years after 20 children and six adults were gunned down at the elementary school in Newtown, Conn. It then went to a federal court before being shifted back to a state court last fall, in what's seen as a possible advantage for the plaintiffs, who are acting on behalf of 10 victims."
The lawsuit, we reported, "seeks damages and an injunction against selling the AR-15 rifle."
Now that the case has been cleared to move forward, both sides are due back in court on Tuesday.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/14/474248535/sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-against-gun-companies-can-move-forward-judge-says 

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Post by nicko Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:58 pm

You could try suing a motor manufacturer if a particular make of car knocked down and killed someone. IT's the driver that's responsible, if someone shoots a person it's the person that pulls the trigger who is responsible. The case will never get to court.
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Post by nicko Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:00 pm

PS, if it gets to court it will be thrown out.


Quill, whats your take on this>
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Post by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:29 pm

Clearly, anyone who buys a rifle like that is up to no good. Don't gun sellers even ask what customers want them for ?
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Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:50 pm

nicko wrote:You could try suing a motor manufacturer if a particular make of car knocked down and killed someone.   IT's the driver that's responsible,   if someone shoots a person it's the person that pulls the trigger who is responsible.    The case will never get to court.

Not to belittle your POV...but Gun Companies LAWSUIT, Can Move Forward, Judge Says; Sandy Hook Families' Lawsuit Against BUSHMASTER RIFLE  Court-judge-smiley-emoticon  You are over ruled, mister! 

This - like all other pior class action lawsuits that had never seen the light of day will be setting precedence and Sandy Hook Families' Lawsuit Against BUSHMASTER RIFLE  2190311264  maybe it'll make some serious changes or it'll all be for naught.  Depends on what the jury decides and if there's any money awarded too.

Back before Class Action took on the BIG TOBACCO Manufacturers --- no one gave those law suites a 'snowball chance in hell' of seeing the inside of any courtroom in America; and that did indeed happen. Sandy Hook Families' Lawsuit Against BUSHMASTER RIFLE  2385359624

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Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Clearly, anyone who buys a rifle like that is up to no good. Don't gun sellers even ask what customers want them for ?

Oh, Raggs...if only; we're lucky if all those weekend 'TENT SALES' people actually do the proper paper work - make the receipt out and explain about the waiting period. 

And meanwhile out in the parking lot - from many local yokels trunks...sales are being done with CASH in hand and that's been an ongoing problem since the 'Gun Lobbyists' took on the NRA and their blockade about the registration/waiting period for the back ground checks. 

BTW - the NRA used to be 'FOR' all back ground checks and the waiting period before they changed their hysteria driven minds and started ranting about 'Obama wanting to confiscate all or your weapons' --- just more lies and utter BS to stir up the red-necks that can't THINK!

WHY - WHY - WHY military type weapons are allowed to be sold to any citizen is just beyond ME! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by 'Wolfie Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:13 pm

nicko wrote:
You could try suing a motor manufacturer if a particular make of car knocked down and killed someone.   IT's the driver that's responsible,   if someone shoots a person it's the person that pulls the trigger who is responsible.    The case will never get to court.

THAT WAS my first thought too, nicko...


JUST GOES to show that some of the victims families are so desperate to find somebody to blame for that atrocity..
IT WOULD BE much cheaper to have the State pay for psychiatric help and grief counselling for those families, rather than having a court's time wasted with such claims.

WHENEVER somebody is killed with a knife, axe, hammer, screwdriver or a piece of 4"x2" timber, should the manufacturer of the murder weapon be dragged into court, simply because some nutter chose to use that product ?


IT COULD be different if a gun manufacturer was deliberately promoting the weapon for the purpose of mass murders, serial killings and criminal activities...
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Post by Original Quill Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:30 pm

nicko wrote:PS, if it gets to court it will be thrown out.


Quill, whats your take on this>

This M2dismiss merely tested the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), or PLCAA for short, the federal law protecting gun manufacturers from normal use.  The judge let the suit proceed on the basis that an assault weapon should not have been sold:

AP wrote:Superior Court Judge Barbara Bellis ruled that the law "does not prevent lawyers for the families of Sandy Hook victims from arguing that the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle is a military weapon and should not have been sold to civilians," The Associated Press reports.

As NPR's Katie Toth notes:

NPR wrote:The companies could still try to get the lawsuit thrown out based on the merits of the case.

The specific allegation is that it was a military assault weapon, and illegal to be sold where it was:

Newsweek wrote:The families are suing the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, which the gunman used to kill 20 first-graders and six educators in Newtown, Connecticut, in less than five minutes on December 14, 2012. They argue the rifle shouldn’t have been entrusted to the general public because it is a military-style assault weapon that is unsuited for civilian use. They say the gun companies knew—or should have known—about the high risks posed by the weapon, including the ability for a shooter to use it to inflict maximum casualties and serious injury.

I don't see a legal explanation for the kind of suit brought.  There's negligence, involving breach (of a duty), causation and damages, yet to be proved.  The article doesn't say whether its being tried on a negligence theory or strict liability.  Could be both.  The elements of strict liability are defect or failure to warn and causation.  You can see the obvious obstacles.  In addition, there are defenses, like intervening criminal act.  The plaintiffs will have to show a path from the specific allegation of the manufacturer's wrongdoing to the injury.

They big question will be whether the peculiar characteristics of an assault weapon contributed to the deaths, since that is the basis on which the judge has allowed the case to move forward. Obviously the gun used killed the victims, but exactly how did the assault weapon characteristics play a part? The test on causation is usually 'but for' the breach, would the harm have been caused?

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