IF I Lived in a Vegan world.....

Raggamuffin wrote:It seems to me that you're the one who wants to impose your lifestyle on vegans. If someone wants to be a vegan, just leave them alone.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It seems to me that you're the one who wants to impose your lifestyle on vegans. If someone wants to be a vegan, just leave them alone.

NO, Raggamuffin   !!!

WHAT YOU need to realise, is that "Veganism"  isn't the same as vegetarianism..
THE TWO TERMS aren't interchangeable !    Not by any measure..

VEGANISM is a pholosophy that its followers wish to impose on everyone else in the world..
Vegetarianism is a means to avoiding meat in one's diet...


Omnivores, carnivores and the various kinds of vegetarians don't seem to have an uncontrollable urge to convert everyone else to their lifestyles..

"Vegans" on the other hand, can't control themselves !

You only have to take a wander through the PETA website, to witness the lies, twisted half-truths and wicked campaigns that their "Vegan" staff members are constantly running..

AND THEN THERE'S their desire to greatly reduce the world's population --  not only human, but many animals as well !!!

eddie wrote:And if all the animals died out....

You would have to be a vegan!

And you'd survive!!

And guess what? A lot of the animals (that you like to eat) would survive being vegan too.

You're a great guy Wolfie, but this thread is meaningless.

Raggamuffin wrote:Anti-Vegan? Then it's you who's trying to tell vegans what to do Wolfman.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

'IF I Lived in a Vegan World ?'

I wouldn't even be here, writing this !


ONE
First off,  I would have been dead well before now !!! 

A couple of otherwise minor disabilities and ailments, would have ended up being lethal - as treatments and cures simply wouldn't have been available, under the Veganism philosophy..


TWO
Secondly,  EVEN IF  I had been fortunate enough as to avoid those health problems;
I would more than likely never have found fulltime employment..

IN A "Vegan" universe, most of the jobs that I have had -- and a good slice of education - would never have existed in the first place !

INDEED, many of the jobs that others on here have/may have had also probably wouldn't have existed either..


THREE
FINALLY,  even if one were lucky enough as to be born with robust health, and went on to find satisfying and fulfilling employment -- would you really want to live in the kind of world that Vegan zealots and PETA fanatics wish to impose upon the rest of us ???

JUST IMAGINE a world where:
You don't own any pets - no dogs, cats, birds, guinea pigs, fish, mice, rats, ferrets, reptiles; 
The disabled and aged aren't allowed service and companion animals;
There are no antibiotics, vaccines, anti-venenes or many modern medical treatments;
Many 'traditional' and alternative therapies wouldn't be available, either;
There is no wool, cashmere, mohair, angora, leather, catgut;
No cheese, yoghurt, ice cream, milk or cream;
Only "vegan" wines and beers     
No honey, and greatly reduced honeybee pollination;
No meat, including poultry, fish and eggs;
No horse (or camel, or elephant) riding;
No equestrian sports;
No fishing..

 

didge wrote:All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

HoratioTarr wrote:
Firstly,  it's no good stating all those 'what if's' without some kind of verification of 'why'.  How exactly would being vegan stop anyone from having a job?

Secondly, I've not met a vegan yet who didn't have a pet.

Thirdly,  what about animals who are vegan and thrive very well on a vegan diet.  When was the last time you saw an elephant with diabetes or fatty degeneration of the heart?  

Most of our diseases are not caused by meat, but by refined foods, sugar and all the shit we pump into the meat.  

Why would vegan's want to rule the world?   I have vegan friends and they're not fanatical about it.  They just live their lives quietly and don't begrudge anyone else what they want.

didge wrote:
All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

nicko wrote:
I never said I was anti-vegan!

didge wrote:All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:
Firstly,  it's no good stating all those 'what if's' without some kind of verification of 'why'.  How exactly would being vegan stop anyone from having a job?

Secondly, I've not met a vegan yet who didn't have a pet.

Thirdly,  what about animals who are vegan and thrive very well on a vegan diet.  When was the last time you saw an elephant with diabetes or fatty degeneration of the heart?  

Most of our diseases are not caused by meat, but by refined foods, sugar and all the shit we pump into the meat.  

Why would vegan's want to rule the world?   I have vegan friends and they're not fanatical about it.  They just live their lives quietly and don't begrudge anyone else what they want.

BY THEIR OWN DEFINITION, a true "Vegan" is defined by their total opposition to ALL exploitation of any animals...

IF ANYONE keeps a pet, and still claims to be "Vegan" -- then they are lying through their teeth !
NO ifs or buts..

IN REALITY, they are vegetarians misrepresenting themselves as Vegans...

SECONDLY,   dogs, cats, reptiles and carnivorous birds need meat in their diet..
AGAIN, anyone who has any of these pets CAN'T be a genuine "Vegan". 

eddie wrote:

didge wrote:All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

Why didge? Are you stuck in the old 1950's way of thinking or something?
Are you saying that rotting meat doesn't make people smell from the inside out?

Beans, eggs, pulses, don't you eat any of these as a meat-eater, which is what I expect you're referring to when you talk about vegans "smelling"
Lots of vegans eat raw food - vegetables etc.

They don't make you smell.

eddie wrote:Beans, beans, the musical fruit; the more you eat, the more you toot." Beans may have a reputation as a "musical fruit," but for all their noisiness, they don't usually make farts smell worse. The same is true for most flatulence-causing foods, such as asparagus or chickpeas; they may make you fart more often, but they don't make your farts particularly stinky.

Sure, a vegetarian's diet — based on fruits, nuts, vegetables and legumes — is rich in fiber, but fiber alone isn't to blame for the increased gas production that comes with plant-based eating habits. The culprit is actually a type of sugar molecule called oligosaccharides. Oligosaccharides are too large to be easily absorbed through the wall of the small intestine, so they move through the large intestines unfettered — until they meet some of the 70-plus kinds of bacteria that live there. As these bacteria feast on oligosaccharides, they create an abundance of gassy byproducts colloquially known as farts [source: Soniak]]

While the jury's still out on whether vegetarians fart more often than omnivores, there is evidence that vegetarian farts may be among the least noxious. Or not as noxious as a meat-eater's farts, anyway.

The credit for smelly farts goes, in part, to meat that is consumed as part of an omnivore's diet. For the most part, meat contains high levels of sulfur, and sulfur-laden foods produce more odors as they are digested. When bacteria in the digestive system break down foods, it produces byproducts. When they breakdown foods rich in sulfur, the byproducts include sulfides and mercaptans, the gases that lend their unmistakable smell to farts. Hydrogen sulfide, in particular, causes passed gas to have an odor reminiscent of rotten eggs. The other gases produced during digestion — nitrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen and methane — are virtually odorless [source: Levine].

By contrast, most vegetables produce fewer smelly byproducts during digestion, like hydrogen sulfide, than meat.


http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/digestive/do-vegetarians-have-smellier-farts.htm

Looks like someone didn't do their "medical" research properly

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:

Why didge? Are you stuck in the old 1950's way of thinking or something?
Are you saying that rotting meat doesn't make people smell from the inside out?

Beans, eggs, pulses, don't you eat any of these as a meat-eater, which is what I expect you're referring to when you talk about vegans "smelling"
Lots of vegans eat raw food - vegetables etc.

They don't make you smell.

Anyone that has raised a human child and started that baby off on a milk based diet, eased into veggies and a few fruits will proudly and quantify that the fecal matter goes from not so bad aroma to 'OMG - WTF' did I feed you child; once they become ready for mashed meat products ~~~ 

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Beans, beans, the musical fruit; the more you eat, the more you toot." Beans may have a reputation as a "musical fruit," but for all their noisiness, they don't usually make farts smell worse. The same is true for most flatulence-causing foods, such as asparagus or chickpeas; they may make you fart more often, but they don't make your farts particularly stinky.

Sure, a vegetarian's diet — based on fruits, nuts, vegetables and legumes — is rich in fiber, but fiber alone isn't to blame for the increased gas production that comes with plant-based eating habits. The culprit is actually a type of sugar molecule called oligosaccharides. Oligosaccharides are too large to be easily absorbed through the wall of the small intestine, so they move through the large intestines unfettered — until they meet some of the 70-plus kinds of bacteria that live there. As these bacteria feast on oligosaccharides, they create an abundance of gassy byproducts colloquially known as farts [source: Soniak]]

While the jury's still out on whether vegetarians fart more often than omnivores, there is evidence that vegetarian farts may be among the least noxious. Or not as noxious as a meat-eater's farts, anyway.

The credit for smelly farts goes, in part, to meat that is consumed as part of an omnivore's diet. For the most part, meat contains high levels of sulfur, and sulfur-laden foods produce more odors as they are digested. When bacteria in the digestive system break down foods, it produces byproducts. When they breakdown foods rich in sulfur, the byproducts include sulfides and mercaptans, the gases that lend their unmistakable smell to farts. Hydrogen sulfide, in particular, causes passed gas to have an odor reminiscent of rotten eggs. The other gases produced during digestion — nitrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen and methane — are virtually odorless [source: Levine].

By contrast, most vegetables produce fewer smelly byproducts during digestion, like hydrogen sulfide, than meat.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/digestive/do-vegetarians-have-smellier-farts.htm

Looks like someone didn't do their "medical" research properly

I gave a male friend a lift once, along with another female friend.  He sat in the back.   Halfway through the journey, he dropped his guts.   I literally burned rubber to stop that fucking car, and then pulled a muscle in my haste to exit said vehicle.  My poor girl friend got tangled up in her seat belt and suffered what could only be described as the side effects of mustard gas.   After screaming, 'You dirty fucking bastard!' a few times, I finally got my breath and refused to take him any further.   Subsequent enquiries confirmed he'd eaten substantial amounts of sardines, german sausage and a Holland's meat pie.   I blame the pie!

eddie wrote:

didge wrote:All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

Why didge? Are you stuck in the old 1950's way of thinking or something?
Are you saying that rotting meat doesn't make people smell from the inside out?

Beans, eggs, pulses, don't you eat any of these as a meat-eater, which is what I expect you're referring to when you talk about vegans "smelling"
Lots of vegans eat raw food - vegetables etc.

They don't make you smell.

didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

didge wrote:All i can imagine is it would be a world that increases global warming by the excessive gas being produced.
The smell also would be horrendus

Why didge? Are you stuck in the old 1950's way of thinking or something?
Are you saying that rotting meat doesn't make people smell from the inside out?

Beans, eggs, pulses, don't you eat any of these as a meat-eater, which is what I expect you're referring to when you talk about vegans "smelling"
Lots of vegans eat raw food - vegetables etc.

They don't make you smell.

And you clearly have no sense of humour

eddie wrote:

didge wrote:


And you clearly have no sense of humour

Yeah sure, you were joking. Sure you were

eddie wrote:Bet you googled first though, to see if you could "counter" my argument
Go on, admit it.

eddie wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that was funny Horatio!

Lord Foul wrote:of course you miss THE most important point


ANY ONE who is veggie/vegan for so called ethical reasons....

should by rights snuff it the first time they get any one of a number of minor infections....

since there (in their world) would not exist  ANY sort of medication

and NO operations
no anaesthetics

....back to the stone age anyone.......

HoratioTarr wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:of course you miss THE most important point


ANY ONE who is veggie/vegan for so called ethical reasons....

should by rights snuff it the first time they get any one of a number of minor infections....

since there (in their world) would not exist  ANY sort of medication

and NO operations
no anaesthetics

....back to the stone age anyone.......

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps a vegan might not get ill?   As opposed to  a beer swilling, smoking, pie eating fat bastard.

eddie wrote:Bet you googled first though, to see if you could "counter" my argument
Go on, admit it.

eddie wrote:And if all the animals died out....

You would have to be a vegan!

And guess what? A lot of the animals would survive being vegan too.

You're a great guy Wolfie, but this thread is meaningless.

Bondi couple launch vegan cafes: Coffee and Zeitgeist Mylk Bar
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/drink/bondi-couple-launch-vegan-cafes-coffee-and-zeitgeist-mylk-bar/news-story/b69c120f26da1c4012b0716b372c8125

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that was funny Horatio!

Every word is true.  

HoratioTarr wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:of course you miss THE most important point


ANY ONE who is veggie/vegan for so called ethical reasons....

should by rights snuff it the first time they get any one of a number of minor infections....

since there (in their world) would not exist  ANY sort of medication

and NO operations
no anaesthetics

....back to the stone age anyone.......

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps a vegan might not get ill?   As opposed to  a beer swilling, smoking, pie eating fat bastard.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps a vegan might not get ill?   As opposed to  a beer swilling, smoking, pie eating fat bastard.

YOU really are a clueless maggot,  HT !

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Every word is true.  

YOU'RE nothing more than a nasty little liar,  HT...

You're full of shit,  through and through..

You despicable piece of garbage.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Beans, beans, the musical fruit; the more you eat, the more you toot." Beans may have a reputation as a "musical fruit," but for all their noisiness, they don't usually make farts smell worse. The same is true for most flatulence-causing foods, such as asparagus or chickpeas; they may make you fart more often, but they don't make your farts particularly stinky.

Sure, a vegetarian's diet — based on fruits, nuts, vegetables and legumes — is rich in fiber, but fiber alone isn't to blame for the increased gas production that comes with plant-based eating habits. The culprit is actually a type of sugar molecule called oligosaccharides. Oligosaccharides are too large to be easily absorbed through the wall of the small intestine, so they move through the large intestines unfettered — until they meet some of the 70-plus kinds of bacteria that live there. As these bacteria feast on oligosaccharides, they create an abundance of gassy byproducts colloquially known as farts [source: Soniak]]

While the jury's still out on whether vegetarians fart more often than omnivores, there is evidence that vegetarian farts may be among the least noxious. Or not as noxious as a meat-eater's farts, anyway.

The credit for smelly farts goes, in part, to meat that is consumed as part of an omnivore's diet. For the most part, meat contains high levels of sulfur, and sulfur-laden foods produce more odors as they are digested. When bacteria in the digestive system break down foods, it produces byproducts. When they breakdown foods rich in sulfur, the byproducts include sulfides and mercaptans, the gases that lend their unmistakable smell to farts. Hydrogen sulfide, in particular, causes passed gas to have an odor reminiscent of rotten eggs. The other gases produced during digestion — nitrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen and methane — are virtually odorless [source: Levine].

By contrast, most vegetables produce fewer smelly byproducts during digestion, like hydrogen sulfide, than meat.


http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/digestive/do-vegetarians-have-smellier-farts.htm

Looks like someone didn't do their "medical" research properly

I gave a male friend a lift once, along with another female friend.  He sat in the back.   Halfway through the journey, he dropped his guts.   I literally burned rubber to stop that fucking car, and then pulled a muscle in my haste to exit said vehicle.  My poor girl friend got tangled up in her seat belt and suffered what could only be described as the side effects of mustard gas.   After screaming, 'You dirty fucking bastard!' a few times, I finally got my breath and refused to take him any further.   Subsequent enquiries confirmed he'd eaten substantial amounts of sardines, german sausage and a Holland's meat pie.   I blame the pie!

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I gave a male friend a lift once, along with another female friend.  He sat in the back.   Halfway through the journey, he dropped his guts.   I literally burned rubber to stop that fucking car, and then pulled a muscle in my haste to exit said vehicle.  My poor girl friend got tangled up in her seat belt and suffered what could only be described as the side effects of mustard gas.   After screaming, 'You dirty fucking bastard!' a few times, I finally got my breath and refused to take him any further.   Subsequent enquiries confirmed he'd eaten substantial amounts of sardines, german sausage and a Holland's meat pie.   I blame the pie!

That's the funniest post I have read for ages.