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Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:15 am
Blackadder star Sir Tony Robinson has defended the comedy's portrayal of World War One after the Education Secretary accused it of belittling Britain.
Michael Gove criticised the manner in which historians and TV programmes have depicted the conflict, saying he believed it was in fact a "just war" against the German elite.
"The conflict has, for many, been seen through the fictional prism of dramas such as Oh! What a Lovely War, The Monocled Mutineer and Blackadder, as a misbegotten shambles – a series of catastrophic mistakes perpetrated by an out-of-touch elite," he wrote in the Daily Mail.
He added he had little time for the view of the Department for Culture and the Foreign Office that the commemorations should not lay fault at Germany’s door.
He said the 1914 centenary should be about "battling left-wing myths that belittle Britain" rather than denigrating patriotism.
Michael Gove: history belittles WWI heroes
"Our understanding of the war has been overlaid by misunderstandings, and misrepresentations which reflect an, at best, ambiguous attitude to this country and, at worst, an unhappy compulsion on the part of some to denigrate virtues such as patriotism, honour and courage," he wrote.
Sir Tony, who played Private Baldrick in Blackadder Goes Forth, told Sky News Mr Gove's criticism was a "very, very silly mistake".
"When imaginative teachers bring it in, it's simply another teaching tool; they probably take them over to Flanders to have a look at the sights out there, have them marching around the playground, read the poems of Wilfred Owen to them. And one of the things that they'll do is show them Blackadder."
Speaking on the Murnaghan programme, the actor and Labour Party member also said the politician's comments "slagging off" teachers were unprofessional.
"To make this mistake, to categorise teachers who would introduce something like Blackadder as left-wing and introducing left-wing propaganda, is very very unhelpful and particularly unhelpful and irresponsible from a minister of education.
"This idea that somehow World War One ought to be an essay on how things were in Britain, the noble officer class in Britain, is a very old fashioned fantasy," Sir Tony said.
Labour's shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt called Mr Gove's article "shocking stuff".
In a piece for The Observer, he accused the Government of using the centenary as an excuse to "rewrite the historical record and sow political division".
The Government is using a £50m commemorations fund to mark the centenary this year.
Mr Hunt said: "This year's anniversary events need to reflect and embrace the multiple histories that the war evinces - from the Royal British Legion to the National Union of Railwaymen to the Indian, Ethiopian and Australian servicemen fighting for the empire."
http://news.sky.com/story/1190526/baldrick-calls-goves-blackadder-remarks-silly
He's put his foot in it again! :::hitler:
Michael Gove criticised the manner in which historians and TV programmes have depicted the conflict, saying he believed it was in fact a "just war" against the German elite.
"The conflict has, for many, been seen through the fictional prism of dramas such as Oh! What a Lovely War, The Monocled Mutineer and Blackadder, as a misbegotten shambles – a series of catastrophic mistakes perpetrated by an out-of-touch elite," he wrote in the Daily Mail.
He added he had little time for the view of the Department for Culture and the Foreign Office that the commemorations should not lay fault at Germany’s door.
He said the 1914 centenary should be about "battling left-wing myths that belittle Britain" rather than denigrating patriotism.
Michael Gove: history belittles WWI heroes
"Our understanding of the war has been overlaid by misunderstandings, and misrepresentations which reflect an, at best, ambiguous attitude to this country and, at worst, an unhappy compulsion on the part of some to denigrate virtues such as patriotism, honour and courage," he wrote.
Sir Tony, who played Private Baldrick in Blackadder Goes Forth, told Sky News Mr Gove's criticism was a "very, very silly mistake".
"When imaginative teachers bring it in, it's simply another teaching tool; they probably take them over to Flanders to have a look at the sights out there, have them marching around the playground, read the poems of Wilfred Owen to them. And one of the things that they'll do is show them Blackadder."
Speaking on the Murnaghan programme, the actor and Labour Party member also said the politician's comments "slagging off" teachers were unprofessional.
"To make this mistake, to categorise teachers who would introduce something like Blackadder as left-wing and introducing left-wing propaganda, is very very unhelpful and particularly unhelpful and irresponsible from a minister of education.
"This idea that somehow World War One ought to be an essay on how things were in Britain, the noble officer class in Britain, is a very old fashioned fantasy," Sir Tony said.
Labour's shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt called Mr Gove's article "shocking stuff".
In a piece for The Observer, he accused the Government of using the centenary as an excuse to "rewrite the historical record and sow political division".
The Government is using a £50m commemorations fund to mark the centenary this year.
Mr Hunt said: "This year's anniversary events need to reflect and embrace the multiple histories that the war evinces - from the Royal British Legion to the National Union of Railwaymen to the Indian, Ethiopian and Australian servicemen fighting for the empire."
http://news.sky.com/story/1190526/baldrick-calls-goves-blackadder-remarks-silly
He's put his foot in it again! :::hitler:
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:21 am
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:39 am
Oh...This one is going to run!!!!!!(They are taking the right piss out of him on Sky)
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:27 am
Mr Gove, who has been defended by some historians, said the effect of such programmes is that our understanding of the war has been overlaid by misunderstandings and misrepresentations which reflect an at best ambiguous attitude to this country and at worst an unhappy compulsion on the part of some to denigrate virtues such as patriotism, honour and courage.
Lefties have done the same with every war - The Falklands - we were lucky to win - could have gone either way?? bit weird.
Iraq, Afghanistan.
Vietnam for the Americans.
Lefties - cowards.
Lefties have done the same with every war - The Falklands - we were lucky to win - could have gone either way?? bit weird.
Iraq, Afghanistan.
Vietnam for the Americans.
Lefties - cowards.
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:57 am
Lefties - don't get the wool pulled over their eyes. The Right - cap doffing cannon fodder, who say thanks when they are blown up.
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:38 pm
Germany started the Great War, but the Left can’t bear to say so
In this centennial year, it’s more important than ever that we treat the truth with respect
One of the reasons I am a Conservative is that, in the end, I just can’t stand the intellectual dishonesty of the Left. In my late teens I found I had come to hate the way Lefties always seemed to be trying to cover up embarrassing facts about human nature, or to refuse to express simple truths – and I disliked the pious way in which they took offence, and tried to shoosh you into silence, if you blurted such a truth.
Let me give you a current example of this type of proposition. It is a sad but undeniable fact that the First World War – in all its murderous horror – was overwhelmingly the result of German expansionism and aggression. That is a truism that has recently been restated by Max Hastings, in an excellent book, and that has been echoed by Michael Gove, the Education Secretary. I believe that analysis to be basically correct, and that it is all the more important, in this centenary year, that we remember it.
That fact is, alas, not one that the modern Labour Party believes it is polite to mention. According to the party’s education spokesman, Tristram Hunt, it is “crass” and “ugly” to say any such thing. It was “shocking”, he said in an article in yesterday’s Observer, that we continued to have this unacceptable focus on a “militaristic Germany bent on warmongering and imperial aggression”.
He went on – in a piece that deserves a Nobel prize for Tripe – to mount what appeared to be a kind of cock-eyed exculpation of the Kaiser and his generals. He pointed the finger, mystifyingly, at the Serbs. He blamed the Russians. He blamed the Turks for failing to keep the Ottoman empire together, and at one stage he suggested that we were too hard on the bellicose Junker class. He claimed that “modern scholarship” now believes that we have “underplayed the internal opposition to the Kaiser’s ideas within the German establishment” – as if that made things any better.
Perhaps there was some more “internal opposition” to the Kaiser, as Hunt thinks. Whoever they were, these internal opponents, they weren’t much blooming use, were they? It was Germany that pushed Austria to make war on Serbia. It was Germany that declared war on Russia, on August 1 1914. It was Germany that decided it was necessary to invade Luxembourg, and it was Germany that deployed the Schlieffen plan (devised in 1905, incidentally) and sent her troops smashing through neutral Belgium and into France.
Why was it necessary to follow up some rumpus in Sarajevo by invading France, for heaven’s sake? It wasn’t. The driving force behind the carnage was the desire of the German regime to express Germany’s destiny as a great European power, and to acquire the prestige and international clout that went with having an empire. That is why Tirpitz kept increasing the size of the German fleet – in spite of British efforts to end the arms race. That’s why they tried to bully the French by sending a gunboat to Agadir in 1911.
That, in a nutshell, is why millions died in the trenches of the western front and elsewhere, 15 million in all. It was an even greater tragedy for Germany, and for the world, that within two decades of the end of that conflict there should arise another German leader who decided to revive what was essentially the same military/political objective – a massive expansion of German influence in Europe and beyond; and though Hitler was admittedly even more nasty and militaristic than the Kaiser, it was no coincidence that he used a very similar plan: first take out France and the Low Countries, then go for Russia.
In both wars, huge numbers of British people, military and civilian, lost their lives in the struggle to frustrate these deranged ambitions. They were, in essence, fighting on the right side, and it should not be forbidden to state that fact. The Second World War arose inexorably out of the first, and in both wars I am afraid the burden of responsibility lies overwhelmingly on German shoulders. That is a fact that we should not be forbidden from stating today – not just for the sake of the truth, but for the sake of Germany in 2014.
Hunt is guilty of talking total twaddle, but beneath his mushy-minded blether about “multiple histories” there is what he imagines is a kindly instinct. These wars were utterly horrific for the Germans as well as for everyone else, and the Germans today are very much our friends. He doesn’t want the 1914 commemorations to pander to xenophobia, or nationalism, or Kraut-bashing; and I am totally with him on that.
We all want to think of the Germans as they are today – a wonderful, peaceful, democratic country; one of our most important global friends and partners; a country with stunning technological attainments; a place of incomparable cultural richness and civilisation. What Hunt fails to understand – in his fastidious Lefty obfuscation of the truth – is that he is insulting the immense spiritual achievement of modern Germany.
The Germans are as they are today because they have been frank with themselves, and because over the past 60 years they have been agonisingly thorough in acknowledging the horror of what they did. They don’t try to brush it aside. They don’t blame the Serbs for the 1914-18 war. They don’t blame the Russians or the Turks. They know the price they paid for the militarism of the 20th century.
They don’t try to mitigate, palliate, or spread the blame for the conflict. They tried that in the Thirties, and they know that way lies madness. The Germans know the truth about the world wars, and their role. They have learnt, and they have changed. It would be a disaster if that truth became blurred today. I can hardly believe that the author of this fatuous Observer article is proposing to oversee the teaching of history in our schools.
If Tristram Hunt seriously denies that German militarism was at the root of the First World War, then he is not fit to do his job, either in opposition or in government, and should resign. If he does not deny that fact, he should issue a clarification now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10552336/Germany-started-the-Great-War-but-the-Left-cant-bear-to-say-so.html
In this centennial year, it’s more important than ever that we treat the truth with respect
One of the reasons I am a Conservative is that, in the end, I just can’t stand the intellectual dishonesty of the Left. In my late teens I found I had come to hate the way Lefties always seemed to be trying to cover up embarrassing facts about human nature, or to refuse to express simple truths – and I disliked the pious way in which they took offence, and tried to shoosh you into silence, if you blurted such a truth.
Let me give you a current example of this type of proposition. It is a sad but undeniable fact that the First World War – in all its murderous horror – was overwhelmingly the result of German expansionism and aggression. That is a truism that has recently been restated by Max Hastings, in an excellent book, and that has been echoed by Michael Gove, the Education Secretary. I believe that analysis to be basically correct, and that it is all the more important, in this centenary year, that we remember it.
That fact is, alas, not one that the modern Labour Party believes it is polite to mention. According to the party’s education spokesman, Tristram Hunt, it is “crass” and “ugly” to say any such thing. It was “shocking”, he said in an article in yesterday’s Observer, that we continued to have this unacceptable focus on a “militaristic Germany bent on warmongering and imperial aggression”.
He went on – in a piece that deserves a Nobel prize for Tripe – to mount what appeared to be a kind of cock-eyed exculpation of the Kaiser and his generals. He pointed the finger, mystifyingly, at the Serbs. He blamed the Russians. He blamed the Turks for failing to keep the Ottoman empire together, and at one stage he suggested that we were too hard on the bellicose Junker class. He claimed that “modern scholarship” now believes that we have “underplayed the internal opposition to the Kaiser’s ideas within the German establishment” – as if that made things any better.
Perhaps there was some more “internal opposition” to the Kaiser, as Hunt thinks. Whoever they were, these internal opponents, they weren’t much blooming use, were they? It was Germany that pushed Austria to make war on Serbia. It was Germany that declared war on Russia, on August 1 1914. It was Germany that decided it was necessary to invade Luxembourg, and it was Germany that deployed the Schlieffen plan (devised in 1905, incidentally) and sent her troops smashing through neutral Belgium and into France.
Why was it necessary to follow up some rumpus in Sarajevo by invading France, for heaven’s sake? It wasn’t. The driving force behind the carnage was the desire of the German regime to express Germany’s destiny as a great European power, and to acquire the prestige and international clout that went with having an empire. That is why Tirpitz kept increasing the size of the German fleet – in spite of British efforts to end the arms race. That’s why they tried to bully the French by sending a gunboat to Agadir in 1911.
That, in a nutshell, is why millions died in the trenches of the western front and elsewhere, 15 million in all. It was an even greater tragedy for Germany, and for the world, that within two decades of the end of that conflict there should arise another German leader who decided to revive what was essentially the same military/political objective – a massive expansion of German influence in Europe and beyond; and though Hitler was admittedly even more nasty and militaristic than the Kaiser, it was no coincidence that he used a very similar plan: first take out France and the Low Countries, then go for Russia.
In both wars, huge numbers of British people, military and civilian, lost their lives in the struggle to frustrate these deranged ambitions. They were, in essence, fighting on the right side, and it should not be forbidden to state that fact. The Second World War arose inexorably out of the first, and in both wars I am afraid the burden of responsibility lies overwhelmingly on German shoulders. That is a fact that we should not be forbidden from stating today – not just for the sake of the truth, but for the sake of Germany in 2014.
Hunt is guilty of talking total twaddle, but beneath his mushy-minded blether about “multiple histories” there is what he imagines is a kindly instinct. These wars were utterly horrific for the Germans as well as for everyone else, and the Germans today are very much our friends. He doesn’t want the 1914 commemorations to pander to xenophobia, or nationalism, or Kraut-bashing; and I am totally with him on that.
We all want to think of the Germans as they are today – a wonderful, peaceful, democratic country; one of our most important global friends and partners; a country with stunning technological attainments; a place of incomparable cultural richness and civilisation. What Hunt fails to understand – in his fastidious Lefty obfuscation of the truth – is that he is insulting the immense spiritual achievement of modern Germany.
The Germans are as they are today because they have been frank with themselves, and because over the past 60 years they have been agonisingly thorough in acknowledging the horror of what they did. They don’t try to brush it aside. They don’t blame the Serbs for the 1914-18 war. They don’t blame the Russians or the Turks. They know the price they paid for the militarism of the 20th century.
They don’t try to mitigate, palliate, or spread the blame for the conflict. They tried that in the Thirties, and they know that way lies madness. The Germans know the truth about the world wars, and their role. They have learnt, and they have changed. It would be a disaster if that truth became blurred today. I can hardly believe that the author of this fatuous Observer article is proposing to oversee the teaching of history in our schools.
If Tristram Hunt seriously denies that German militarism was at the root of the First World War, then he is not fit to do his job, either in opposition or in government, and should resign. If he does not deny that fact, he should issue a clarification now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10552336/Germany-started-the-Great-War-but-the-Left-cant-bear-to-say-so.html
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Guest Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:07 pm
how disingenious of him, with the notable exception of Blair, I think you will find that the R/W are the biggest warmongers going....
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Re: Tory Michael Gove is a complete idiot!
by Irn Bru Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:33 pm
Gove is a complete dickhead coming out with crap like that and that clown Johnson isn't far behind him. When it comes to war and defending this country it never mattered who was left or who was right because the people of this country really were all in it together and they all pulled together
Gove really needs to go back and think about what he has said in the past with his 'I love Tony' comment instead of trying to stoke up a LW/RW war which he obviously thinks would be to his advantage,,,,,,it won't.
Gove really needs to go back and think about what he has said in the past with his 'I love Tony' comment instead of trying to stoke up a LW/RW war which he obviously thinks would be to his advantage,,,,,,it won't.
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