More Than Half British Muslims Believe Homosexuality Should Be Illegal

Stormee wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-finds-more-than-half-of-britsih-Muslims-believe-homosexuality-should-be-illegal-a6978091.html

Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.

I agree it should be illegal.

Stormee wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-finds-more-than-half-of-britsih-Muslims-believe-homosexuality-should-be-illegal-a6978091.html

Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.

I agree it should be illegal.

Stormee wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-finds-more-than-half-of-britsih-Muslims-believe-homosexuality-should-be-illegal-a6978091.html

Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.

I agree it should be illegal.

Stormee wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-finds-more-than-half-of-britsih-Muslims-believe-homosexuality-should-be-illegal-a6978091.html

Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.
I agree it should be illegal.

The survey of 1,000 British Muslims found that “they love Britain, they are patriotic, they especially prize the freedom to practice their religion as they would like, they trust the authorities in a way that came as a surprise to me.
“But on specific issues – families, sexuality, gender, attitudes towards Jews, and on questions of violence and terrorism, the centre of gravity of British Muslim opinion is some distance away from the centre of gravity of everyone else’s opinion.”

sassy wrote:And it's actually quite ludicrous.  The survey actually showed that 96% don't agree with violence and feel they are British and love British institutions.

Given how homophobic Tommy and Stormee are, the fact that half didn't agree with gays, that is probably about the same as a lot of the rest of the British population, or are we to believe that somehow Stormee and Tommy are not indicitive of general public attitutes?

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:And it's actually quite ludicrous.  The survey actually showed that 96% don't agree with violence and feel they are British and love British institutions.

Given how homophobic Tommy and Stormee are, the fact that half didn't agree with gays, that is probably about the same as a lot of the rest of the British population, or are we to believe that somehow Stormee and Tommy are not indicitive of general public attitutes?

THAT

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:And it's actually quite ludicrous.  The survey actually showed that 96% don't agree with violence and feel they are British and love British institutions.

Given how homophobic Tommy and Stormee are, the fact that half didn't agree with gays, that is probably about the same as a lot of the rest of the British population, or are we to believe that somehow Stormee and Tommy are not indicitive of general public attitutes?

THAT

Get your point, but go over to another forum and they are quite normal.

Lord Foul wrote:if truth be known I bet 90 of the non ethnic british public dont even give any thought to it ...It simply doesnt rank

simply becasue THEY dont have ridiculous religious dogma rammed up their jacksies every day....

tommy and stormee are abberations....belonging to the dinosaurean world of curtain twitching old maids....

neither of them have enough to do, so spend their lives deciding in minute detail how others aught to live...

as I said...deport the Muslim homophobes we can...and ALL the others white, green, grey and purple with blue spots...just hang em...they have nothing to add value to society and actively try to devalue it.....

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:if truth be known I bet 90 of the non ethnic british public dont even give any thought to it ...It simply doesnt rank

simply becasue THEY dont have ridiculous religious dogma rammed up their jacksies every day....

tommy and stormee are abberations....belonging to the dinosaurean world of curtain twitching old maids....

neither of them have enough to do, so spend their lives deciding in minute detail how others aught to live...

as I said...deport the Muslim homophobes we can...and ALL the others white, green, grey and purple with blue spots...just hang em...they have nothing to add value to society and actively try to devalue it.....

What if they're British?

Lord Foul wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What if they're British?

they would count in "ALL the others"

4EVER2 wrote:

Stormee wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-finds-more-than-half-of-britsih-Muslims-believe-homosexuality-should-be-illegal-a6978091.html

Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.
I agree it should be illegal.

OH, Good Grief; if you actually read the entire article and quit reacting to the flagrant reactionary way that the editorial piece is worded "more than half of the British Muslims" --- utter BS. 
The survey was done with 1,000 Muslims answering their survey and it covered a plethora of questions. Anyone have the stats for factual head count for the Muslim population in England

The survey of 1,000 British Muslims found that “they love Britain, they are patriotic, they especially prize the freedom to practice their religion as they would like, they trust the authorities in a way that came as a surprise to me.
“But on specific issues – families, sexuality, gender, attitudes towards Jews, and on questions of violence and terrorism, the centre of gravity of British Muslim opinion is some distance away from the centre of gravity of everyone else’s opinion.”

But sadly...the extreme generalization as well as the homophobic genre leading title made it everything that falls into Stormee's need to post...and he hates SPAMMING issues; or so he keeps saying

Original Quill wrote:I'm surprised, Stormee, that most miss the obvious truth of the matter.  Islamic principles, and extreme Islamics themselves are ultra conservative.

Of course they are homophobic.  I think it's a complexity too far for RWers, to expect that our conservatives would end up in the same place as devout Muslims.  That's the surprise for you, innit?  It's quite natural...you are all cut from the same cloth.

What do Muslims really think? This skewed poll certainly won’t tell us

Phillips, who also wrote in yesterday’s Daily Mail, claims this poll, undertaken by ICM, supports his belief that there is “a chasm” opening between Muslims and people of other faiths, and therefore that Muslims are different and apart from the rest of society. He claims it reveals “the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future”. In his view, this means “we have to adopt a far more muscular approach to integration than ever, replacing the failed policy of multiculturalism”.

But when there are 13 Muslim MPs, a British Muslim candidate for mayor of London, a Muslim dragon in the Dragons’ Den, and a Muslim winner of the Great British Bake Off, it seems that in reality, Muslims are very much part of British society. There is a fringe minority, as is the case with all communities, but Phillips chooses a distorted interpretation of the UK’s diverse Muslim communities.

For instance, he describes as “alarming” the finding that only 34% of Muslims would report someone to the police who was involved with people who support terrorism in Syria. But for the survey’s “control” group – consisting of randomly selected people from across the country of all or no faiths – the figure is only 30%. And other polls have found that 94% of British Muslims would report someone they knew who was planning an act of violence to the police.

And the suggestion that Muslims are an isolated community, separate to the rest of the country, is in sharp contrast to research from the Economic and Social Research Council, which indicates that the idea of self-segregating black and minority ethnic communities is flawed. So let’s be careful in drawing serious conclusions from a single uncorroborated poll, particularly when it contradicts more serious research.
While the full details of the methodology are yet to be revealed, it seems there are serious questions. From the outset, it was carried out in areas where Muslims formed more than 20% of the population. These happen to be some of Britain’s most deprived neighbourhoods, with a disproportionately high number of people with a Pakistani or Bangladeshi ethnicity. Choosing specifically to poll in areas that are poor and more religiously conservative skews the results and makes them indicative of these areas and not of British Muslims nationally. And while Muslims were polled face to face – because, as Phillips says, he wanted to avoid the failures of the past – the control group was polled via telephone.

.....  According to Linda Woodhead, professor of religion at Lancaster University, all those who believe in God are more likely to have conservative views on homosexuality. This corroborates another YouGov poll, which shows that evangelical Christians are more likely than Muslims to say same-sex marriage was wrong.

And we should not ignore the work that is already being done. Fantastic women across the country are challenging conservative traditions – for instance, Saleha Islam has become the first woman to lead a British Islamic centre. Food banks, such as Sufra, and grant bodies, such as al-Mizan Charitable Trust, are making their contribution to tackling poverty. Some, such as the Khayaal theatre company, are engaging culturally with the broader population.

In a society where the media obsesses over Muslims as the “other”, few papers are leading with the poll’s conclusions that are actually corroborated by previous surveys: British Muslims are not a nation within a nation, but feel a strong sense of belonging, more so than others within the society.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-Muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us

As a gay British Muslim, this is what I think of the poll finding over half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned

Muslims don’t talk about difficult things related to relationships and sex. On a religious level, it’s seen as taboo and on a more practical level, some British Muslims don’t share the native language of their parents

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-gay-british-Muslim-this-is-what-i-think-of-the-survey-finding-over-half-of-british-Muslims-want-a6978881.html

sassy wrote:Two articles caught my attention today about Phillip's poll:

What do Muslims really think? This skewed poll certainly won’t tell us

Phillips, who also wrote in yesterday’s Daily Mail, claims this poll, undertaken by ICM, supports his belief that there is “a chasm” opening between Muslims and people of other faiths, and therefore that Muslims are different and apart from the rest of society. He claims it reveals “the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future”. In his view, this means “we have to adopt a far more muscular approach to integration than ever, replacing the failed policy of multiculturalism”.

But when there are 13 Muslim MPs, a British Muslim candidate for mayor of London, a Muslim dragon in the Dragons’ Den, and a Muslim winner of the Great British Bake Off, it seems that in reality, Muslims are very much part of British society. There is a fringe minority, as is the case with all communities, but Phillips chooses a distorted interpretation of the UK’s diverse Muslim communities.

For instance, he describes as “alarming” the finding that only 34% of Muslims would report someone to the police who was involved with people who support terrorism in Syria. But for the survey’s “control” group – consisting of randomly selected people from across the country of all or no faiths – the figure is only 30%. And other polls have found that 94% of British Muslims would report someone they knew who was planning an act of violence to the police.

And the suggestion that Muslims are an isolated community, separate to the rest of the country, is in sharp contrast to research from the Economic and Social Research Council, which indicates that the idea of self-segregating black and minority ethnic communities is flawed. So let’s be careful in drawing serious conclusions from a single uncorroborated poll, particularly when it contradicts more serious research.
While the full details of the methodology are yet to be revealed, it seems there are serious questions. From the outset, it was carried out in areas where Muslims formed more than 20% of the population. These happen to be some of Britain’s most deprived neighbourhoods, with a disproportionately high number of people with a Pakistani or Bangladeshi ethnicity. Choosing specifically to poll in areas that are poor and more religiously conservative skews the results and makes them indicative of these areas and not of British Muslims nationally. And while Muslims were polled face to face – because, as Phillips says, he wanted to avoid the failures of the past – the control group was polled via telephone.

.....  According to Linda Woodhead, professor of religion at Lancaster University, all those who believe in God are more likely to have conservative views on homosexuality. This corroborates another YouGov poll, which shows that evangelical Christians are more likely than Muslims to say same-sex marriage was wrong.

And we should not ignore the work that is already being done. Fantastic women across the country are challenging conservative traditions – for instance, Saleha Islam has become the first woman to lead a British Islamic centre. Food banks, such as Sufra, and grant bodies, such as al-Mizan Charitable Trust, are making their contribution to tackling poverty. Some, such as the Khayaal theatre company, are engaging culturally with the broader population.

In a society where the media obsesses over Muslims as the “other”, few papers are leading with the poll’s conclusions that are actually corroborated by previous surveys: British Muslims are not a nation within a nation, but feel a strong sense of belonging, more so than others within the society.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-Muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us

and

As a gay British Muslim, this is what I think of the poll finding over half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned

Muslims don’t talk about difficult things related to relationships and sex. On a religious level, it’s seen as taboo and on a more practical level, some British Muslims don’t share the native language of their parents

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-gay-british-Muslim-this-is-what-i-think-of-the-survey-finding-over-half-of-british-Muslims-want-a6978881.html

An extremely good balanced article by Asad Dhunna, who is both Muslim and Lesbian.

I wouldn't trust Phillips to run a poll to show chickens lay eggs.  He always has an agenda and he always sets out the questions to make sure he can point to his agenda afterwards.

The saying 'statistics can be manipulated to show anythng' applies to polls as well.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I'm surprised, Stormee, that most miss the obvious truth of the matter.  Islamic principles, and extreme Islamics themselves are ultra conservative.

Of course they are homophobic.  I think it's a complexity too far for RWers, to expect that our conservatives would end up in the same place as devout Muslims.  That's the surprise for you, innit?  It's quite natural...you are all cut from the same cloth.

by contrast the left winger is happy to facilitate the views of those people in their desperate need to appear right on and cool.

I live surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim country and have never had the slightest problem with them, however I do understand that there are a very large proportion of Muslims out there that would happily see our entire way of life laid waste and see us killed or converted.
the wests desperation to be seen as tolerant is allowing totally intolerant people to gain a significant foothold.

As a person living in another country I do not try and force my views and ways upon that country, and I dont expect other cultures to do the same in my home country.

multiculturalism is an absolute farce because it does not mean what it should,  a multicultural society would integrate, however in britain it means ghettoise.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

sassy wrote:Two articles caught my attention today about Phillip's poll:




and




An extremely good balanced article by Asad Dhunna, who is both Muslim and Lesbian.

I wouldn't trust Phillips to run a poll to show chickens lay eggs.  He always has an agenda and he always sets out the questions to make sure he can point to his agenda afterwards.

The saying 'statistics can be manipulated to show anythng' applies to polls as well.

is he the wrong shade of black for you
#wascist

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I'm surprised, Stormee, that most miss the obvious truth of the matter.  Islamic principles, and extreme Islamics themselves are ultra conservative.

Of course they are homophobic.  I think it's a complexity too far for RWers, to expect that our conservatives would end up in the same place as devout Muslims.  That's the surprise for you, innit?  It's quite natural...you are all cut from the same cloth.

by contrast the left winger is happy to facilitate the views of those people in their desperate need to appear right on and cool.

I live surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim country and have never had the slightest problem with them, however I do understand that there are a very large proportion of Muslims out there that would happily see our entire way of life laid waste and see us killed or converted.
the wests desperation to be seen as tolerant is allowing totally intolerant people to gain a significant foothold.

As a person living in another country I do not try and force my views and ways upon that country, and I dont expect other cultures to do the same in my home country.

multiculturalism is an absolute farce because it does not mean what it should,  a multicultural society would integrate, however in britain it means ghettoise.

sassy wrote:Two articles caught my attention today about Phillip's poll:

What do Muslims really think? This skewed poll certainly won’t tell us

Phillips, who also wrote in yesterday’s Daily Mail, claims this poll, undertaken by ICM, supports his belief that there is “a chasm” opening between Muslims and people of other faiths, and therefore that Muslims are different and apart from the rest of society. He claims it reveals “the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future”. In his view, this means “we have to adopt a far more muscular approach to integration than ever, replacing the failed policy of multiculturalism”.

But when there are 13 Muslim MPs, a British Muslim candidate for mayor of London, a Muslim dragon in the Dragons’ Den, and a Muslim winner of the Great British Bake Off, it seems that in reality, Muslims are very much part of British society. There is a fringe minority, as is the case with all communities, but Phillips chooses a distorted interpretation of the UK’s diverse Muslim communities.

For instance, he describes as “alarming” the finding that only 34% of Muslims would report someone to the police who was involved with people who support terrorism in Syria. But for the survey’s “control” group – consisting of randomly selected people from across the country of all or no faiths – the figure is only 30%. And other polls have found that 94% of British Muslims would report someone they knew who was planning an act of violence to the police.

And the suggestion that Muslims are an isolated community, separate to the rest of the country, is in sharp contrast to research from the Economic and Social Research Council, which indicates that the idea of self-segregating black and minority ethnic communities is flawed. So let’s be careful in drawing serious conclusions from a single uncorroborated poll, particularly when it contradicts more serious research.
While the full details of the methodology are yet to be revealed, it seems there are serious questions. From the outset, it was carried out in areas where Muslims formed more than 20% of the population. These happen to be some of Britain’s most deprived neighbourhoods, with a disproportionately high number of people with a Pakistani or Bangladeshi ethnicity. Choosing specifically to poll in areas that are poor and more religiously conservative skews the results and makes them indicative of these areas and not of British Muslims nationally. And while Muslims were polled face to face – because, as Phillips says, he wanted to avoid the failures of the past – the control group was polled via telephone.

.....  According to Linda Woodhead, professor of religion at Lancaster University, all those who believe in God are more likely to have conservative views on homosexuality. This corroborates another YouGov poll, which shows that evangelical Christians are more likely than Muslims to say same-sex marriage was wrong.

And we should not ignore the work that is already being done. Fantastic women across the country are challenging conservative traditions – for instance, Saleha Islam has become the first woman to lead a British Islamic centre. Food banks, such as Sufra, and grant bodies, such as al-Mizan Charitable Trust, are making their contribution to tackling poverty. Some, such as the Khayaal theatre company, are engaging culturally with the broader population.

In a society where the media obsesses over Muslims as the “other”, few papers are leading with the poll’s conclusions that are actually corroborated by previous surveys: British Muslims are not a nation within a nation, but feel a strong sense of belonging, more so than others within the society.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-Muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us

and

As a gay British Muslim, this is what I think of the poll finding over half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned

Muslims don’t talk about difficult things related to relationships and sex. On a religious level, it’s seen as taboo and on a more practical level, some British Muslims don’t share the native language of their parents

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-gay-british-Muslim-this-is-what-i-think-of-the-survey-finding-over-half-of-british-Muslims-want-a6978881.html

An extremely good balanced article by Asad Dhunna, who is both Muslim and Lesbian.

I wouldn't trust Phillips to run a poll to show chickens lay eggs.  He always has an agenda and he always sets out the questions to make sure he can point to his agenda afterwards.

The saying 'statistics can be manipulated to show anything' applies to polls as well.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I'm surprised, Stormee, that most miss the obvious truth of the matter.  Islamic principles, and extreme Islamics themselves are ultra conservative.

Of course they are homophobic.  I think it's a complexity too far for RWers, to expect that our conservatives would end up in the same place as devout Muslims.  That's the surprise for you, innit?  It's quite natural...you are all cut from the same cloth.

by contrast the left winger is happy to facilitate the views of those people in their desperate need to appear right on and cool.

I live surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim country and have never had the slightest problem with them, however I do understand that there are a very large proportion of Muslims out there that would happily see our entire way of life laid waste and see us killed or converted.
the wests desperation to be seen as tolerant is allowing totally intolerant people to gain a significant foothold.

As a person living in another country I do not try and force my views and ways upon that country, and I dont expect other cultures to do the same in my home country.

multiculturalism is an absolute farce because it does not mean what it should,  a multicultural society would integrate, however in britain it means ghettoise.

eddie wrote:Quill why is it "unfortunate" for Dean where he lives? I didn't get what you meant by that? I think he's quite happy there!

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I'm surprised, Stormee, that most miss the obvious truth of the matter.  Islamic principles, and extreme Islamics themselves are ultra conservative.

Of course they are homophobic.  I think it's a complexity too far for RWers, to expect that our conservatives would end up in the same place as devout Muslims.  That's the surprise for you, innit?  It's quite natural...you are all cut from the same cloth.

by contrast the left winger is happy to facilitate the views of those people in their desperate need to appear right on and cool.

I live surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim country and have never had the slightest problem with them, however I do understand that there are a very large proportion of Muslims out there that would happily see our entire way of life laid waste and see us killed or converted.
the wests desperation to be seen as tolerant is allowing totally intolerant people to gain a significant foothold.

As a person living in another country I do not try and force my views and ways upon that country, and I dont expect other cultures to do the same in my home country.

multiculturalism is an absolute farce because it does not mean what it should,  a multicultural society would integrate, however in britain it means ghettoise.

eddie wrote:Quill why is it "unfortunate" for Dean where he lives? I didn't get what you meant by that? I think he's quite happy there!

Stormee wrote:Another instance of muzzzzzizzzz poking their noses in.

I agree it should be illegal.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Was this hitler supporting woman 'far right'...?


If so... why was she a Labour leftie councillor...!?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3533668/The-20-year-old-Labour-councillor-suspended-claims-called-Hitler-greatest-man-history-resigned-anti-Semitic-scandals-hit-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-party.html

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no answers from the idiots I see...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no answers from the idiots I see...

Maybe they're just not interested, tommy.  You have to study a bit about marketing.  You must motivate people to respond.  Otherwise, you're faced with the same problem as anyone else: they just don't care.

Just say'n~~~ because the Didgy-dooo method of approaching members will really garner you loads of 'cricket' sounds and ignored topics!