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Europe on the Brink
by Guest Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:04 pm
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Europe appears to be falling apart.
Last week, an ISIS cell killed dozens of people and wounded hundreds more in twin suicide bombings at the Brussels airport and in the Maalbeek metro station, and the following weekend, a proposed March Against Fear was cancelled due to “security concerns,” which no doubt amped up the city’s anxiety even more. On Sunday, riot police clashed with a mob of hundreds of angry men wearing black, some with shaved heads, who stormed into the square carrying an anti-ISIS banner and screaming Nazi-like slogans.
“It was important for us to be here symbolically,” a woman named Samia Orosemane said, but “there were lots of men who were here and doing the Nazi salute, shouting 'death to Arabs,' and so we weren't able to get through.” Adam Liston told the BBC that the atmosphere in the square was “really positive” at first. “Then a bunch of skinheads just turned up, marched into the square, and started a major confrontation with the peace protesters. They got in the face of the protesters and police. They set off flares and chanted and it was getting quite ugly.”
There were no violent Nazi-like demonstrations in the United States against Arabs or Muslims, not even on or after September 11, 2001, when ten times as many people were murdered in the most spectacular terrorist attack in world history. But as Tom Wolfe famously put it, the dark night of fascism is forever descending on the United States and landing in Europe. We can only imagine the violent convulsions that will wrack the continent if something on the scale of 9/11 ever happens on that side of the ocean. And it’s more likely to happen over there in the short and medium term than it is over here. Europe is already under much greater attack than the United States, and it has a far larger problem with Islamic radicalization.There are five times as many Muslims in the United States as there are in Belgium, but the United States is not a hotbed of homegrown Islamic extremism. We’ve suffered some acts of terrorism since 9/11—the mass shooting in San Bernardino, the Boston Marathon bombing and the massacre at Fort Hood. If American Muslims and European Muslims were equally predisposed to jihadism, we’d experience roughly five times as many attacks.
But we don’t, mostly because Muslims feel more at home in the United States than they do in Europe.
The United States has always been better at assimilation than Europe. Ours is a nation of immigrants and always has been. Most of us on this side of the Atlantic have a civic identity, but Europeans, by and large, still have a national blood-and-soil identity.
Americans don’t want immigrants to self-segregate in cultural ghettoes. It happens to a certain extent anyway, but less so than in Europe. We not only welcome immigrants, we expect and encourage them to join us rather than live separately alongside us. In Europe, by contrast, Muslim immigrants are forever “the other.” American Muslims are also more interested in joining mainstream American culture. Those who immigrate here must go through a rigorous selection process, and they can’t expect to just show up and live on state benefits in perpetuity like they can in Europe. They must work hard and assimilate to some extent, or they’ll fail. They have, on average, done a very good job of it. American Muslims are actually a little richer on average than the general population. European Muslims, by contrast, are much poorer on average.
This is not, however, the reason Europe has a bigger problem with Islamic radicalization. Poverty is not a trigger for religious fanaticism. Islamic terrorists tend to be educated and financially successful. “Economists have found a link between low incomes and property crimes,” David R. Francis writesat The National Bureau of Economic Research. “But in most cases terrorism is less like property crime and more like a violent form of political engagement.” And political engagement requires education and the ability and wherewithal to engage in activities beyond mere economic survival. In that sense, American Muslims fit the terrorist profile better than European Muslims.
Yet Europe is still having more trouble.
Arab Muslims born and raised in the United States are just as American as I am, but Arab Muslims born and raised in Belgium will never be Belgian. They may or may not be citizens of the state of Belgium, but they won’t have a Belgian identity. A Belgian identity scarcely even exists. Most Belgians identify first and foremost as Dutch-speaking Flemish or French-speaking Walloons.
A Pew Research Center survey of 55,000 American Muslims in 2011 found that they are “largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world… On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.”
A majority of American Muslims view themselves as Americans first, rather than as Muslims first, whereas 81 percent of British Muslims view themselves as Muslims first. French Muslims are as likely as American Muslims to identify first with the nation-state they live in, but France is the only country in Europe that has seriously attempted to nurture a French identity among its immigrant populations.
Europe’s Muslim population feels far more alienated from the general society, so it's easier for a violent anti-Western ideology to find traction. And when trouble erupts, as it is now, Europeans react far more harshly than Americans do.
“The Trump-Cruz police state exists,” Eli Lake writes in Bloomberg. “It's called France.”
I wonder what Europeans think of that attitude now.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/europe-brink
Some interesting points and some to be learnt on integration, and it does speak rightly on the narratives of hate finding traction within Europe. Which he places European policies on being too tough, I believe it has been because actually we have been far too soft. Problems have arisen because on enclaves of cities having many of the same people settle en mass into one area, thus creating a situation that is near impossible for assimilation. Because they are not living really with the people of the country but as a small nation within a nation. So fundamentally fault does lie with how they have been settled within areas in high numbers, denying a chance to assimilate. Its easy to go off the US which is far bigger than Europe with half its population and whilst the US has more Muslims than Belgium, the numbers in Europe dwarf that of the US. Its true they have assimilated better in the US but again because they are far more widespread and given a focus of identity. Its like here the focus is played on British and not English, which is wrong within the English land area.
But again there is still one underlying factor, that is the religion itself before at the very core of this problem with how easily it can make a Muslim turn easily into believing the most barbaric views from a normal day active life. This is blatantly ignored and all because of a fear of offending when it should be openly and honestly spoken about how no matter whether extremist Muslim or Non extremist Muslims within Europe, many share a belief the West and the US is out to destroy Islam and countless disinformation and hate circulated and conspiracies helps fueled this daily. With again little being done to combat this. No matter how well a a peaceful version of Islams taught, this fails, when people hold views learnt from circulating hateful narratives. To even blame wrongs done to other Muslims in the world further makes this situation even more problematic, because we just do not see a replication of other groups who have suffered political and socioeconomically issues where they live. Again we see even within the Middle east Christians, Druze, Yazidis and countless other minorities suffer countless persecution and atrocities done to them, but where is the revenge or violence offered in return from those living there or their fellow believers in the west? Again for centuries African Americans have suffered the worst hardships and we see little evidence of terrorism. So clearly there is a fundamental pull from the Islamic teaching itself and its time we stopped ignoring that and talked openly and honestly about it.
Europe appears to be falling apart.
Last week, an ISIS cell killed dozens of people and wounded hundreds more in twin suicide bombings at the Brussels airport and in the Maalbeek metro station, and the following weekend, a proposed March Against Fear was cancelled due to “security concerns,” which no doubt amped up the city’s anxiety even more. On Sunday, riot police clashed with a mob of hundreds of angry men wearing black, some with shaved heads, who stormed into the square carrying an anti-ISIS banner and screaming Nazi-like slogans.
“It was important for us to be here symbolically,” a woman named Samia Orosemane said, but “there were lots of men who were here and doing the Nazi salute, shouting 'death to Arabs,' and so we weren't able to get through.” Adam Liston told the BBC that the atmosphere in the square was “really positive” at first. “Then a bunch of skinheads just turned up, marched into the square, and started a major confrontation with the peace protesters. They got in the face of the protesters and police. They set off flares and chanted and it was getting quite ugly.”
There were no violent Nazi-like demonstrations in the United States against Arabs or Muslims, not even on or after September 11, 2001, when ten times as many people were murdered in the most spectacular terrorist attack in world history. But as Tom Wolfe famously put it, the dark night of fascism is forever descending on the United States and landing in Europe. We can only imagine the violent convulsions that will wrack the continent if something on the scale of 9/11 ever happens on that side of the ocean. And it’s more likely to happen over there in the short and medium term than it is over here. Europe is already under much greater attack than the United States, and it has a far larger problem with Islamic radicalization.There are five times as many Muslims in the United States as there are in Belgium, but the United States is not a hotbed of homegrown Islamic extremism. We’ve suffered some acts of terrorism since 9/11—the mass shooting in San Bernardino, the Boston Marathon bombing and the massacre at Fort Hood. If American Muslims and European Muslims were equally predisposed to jihadism, we’d experience roughly five times as many attacks.
But we don’t, mostly because Muslims feel more at home in the United States than they do in Europe.
The United States has always been better at assimilation than Europe. Ours is a nation of immigrants and always has been. Most of us on this side of the Atlantic have a civic identity, but Europeans, by and large, still have a national blood-and-soil identity.
Americans don’t want immigrants to self-segregate in cultural ghettoes. It happens to a certain extent anyway, but less so than in Europe. We not only welcome immigrants, we expect and encourage them to join us rather than live separately alongside us. In Europe, by contrast, Muslim immigrants are forever “the other.” American Muslims are also more interested in joining mainstream American culture. Those who immigrate here must go through a rigorous selection process, and they can’t expect to just show up and live on state benefits in perpetuity like they can in Europe. They must work hard and assimilate to some extent, or they’ll fail. They have, on average, done a very good job of it. American Muslims are actually a little richer on average than the general population. European Muslims, by contrast, are much poorer on average.
This is not, however, the reason Europe has a bigger problem with Islamic radicalization. Poverty is not a trigger for religious fanaticism. Islamic terrorists tend to be educated and financially successful. “Economists have found a link between low incomes and property crimes,” David R. Francis writesat The National Bureau of Economic Research. “But in most cases terrorism is less like property crime and more like a violent form of political engagement.” And political engagement requires education and the ability and wherewithal to engage in activities beyond mere economic survival. In that sense, American Muslims fit the terrorist profile better than European Muslims.
Yet Europe is still having more trouble.
Arab Muslims born and raised in the United States are just as American as I am, but Arab Muslims born and raised in Belgium will never be Belgian. They may or may not be citizens of the state of Belgium, but they won’t have a Belgian identity. A Belgian identity scarcely even exists. Most Belgians identify first and foremost as Dutch-speaking Flemish or French-speaking Walloons.
A Pew Research Center survey of 55,000 American Muslims in 2011 found that they are “largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world… On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.”
A majority of American Muslims view themselves as Americans first, rather than as Muslims first, whereas 81 percent of British Muslims view themselves as Muslims first. French Muslims are as likely as American Muslims to identify first with the nation-state they live in, but France is the only country in Europe that has seriously attempted to nurture a French identity among its immigrant populations.
Europe’s Muslim population feels far more alienated from the general society, so it's easier for a violent anti-Western ideology to find traction. And when trouble erupts, as it is now, Europeans react far more harshly than Americans do.
“The Trump-Cruz police state exists,” Eli Lake writes in Bloomberg. “It's called France.”
France’s policies were put in place by a left-wing socialist government. It’s not hard to imagine the far-right shoving France over the edge if it ever wins power—and it might if Europe continues to be terrorized. And Europe will continue to be terrorized. In The Observer, John R. Schindler argues that Europe now has so many ISIS-supporting extremists in its midst that it isn’t facing mere terrorism any longer, that the problem has been upgraded, if that’s the right word, to a guerrilla war or an insurgency.Imagine if Ted Cruz or Donald Trump proposed a policy to monitor thousands of Muslim citizens even if they had no specific ties to terrorist groups. Then, for good measure, they called for a new law to allow the police to search the homes of suspected terrorists without a warrant and to place terror suspects under house arrest without a court order.
Sounds like a nightmare. One can imagine the indignation. Pundits and politicians of good conscience would intone against the politics of fear. Some on the right would respond that political correctness should not be a barrier to counterterrorism.
But what I have just described is not a Republican sound bite. Rather, it is the current counterterrorism posture of France.
Americans won’t likely ever forget how the supposedly “sophisticated” European opinion-makers said America’s chickens were coming home to roost when Al Qaeda destroyed the World Trade Center, and how we—for one brain-dead reason or another—had it coming.The threat is now so great, with Europe possessing thousands of homegrown radicals bent on murder, that mere spying cannot prevent all attacks “left of boom” as the professionals put it.
Maintaining 24/7 human and technical surveillance on just one target requires something like two dozen operatives, and even the larger European security services can effectively watch only a few handfuls of would-be terrorists at one time.
[…]
Simply put, Europe has imported a major threat into its countries, one that did not exist a couple generations ago. It can be endlessly debated why this problem has grown so serious so quickly—for instance, how much is due to Europe’s failures at assimilation of immigrants versus the innate aggression of some of those immigrants (and their children)?—but that the threat is large and growing can no longer be denied by the sentient. We should expect more guerrilla-like attacks like [in] Brussels yesterday: moderate in scale, relatively easy to plan and execute against soft targets, and utterly terrifying to the public. At some point, angry Europeans, fed up with their supine political class, will begin to strike back, and that’s when the really terrifying scenarios come into play. European security services worry deeply about the next Anders Breivik targeting not fellow Europeans, but Muslim migrants. “We’re just one Baruch Goldstein away from all-out war,” explained a senior EU terrorism official, citing the American-born Israeli terrorist, fed up with Palestinian violence, who walked into a Hebron mosque in 1994, guns blazing, and murdered 29 innocent Muslims.
When that violence comes, a practically disarmed Europe will be all but powerless to stop it.
I wonder what Europeans think of that attitude now.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/europe-brink
Some interesting points and some to be learnt on integration, and it does speak rightly on the narratives of hate finding traction within Europe. Which he places European policies on being too tough, I believe it has been because actually we have been far too soft. Problems have arisen because on enclaves of cities having many of the same people settle en mass into one area, thus creating a situation that is near impossible for assimilation. Because they are not living really with the people of the country but as a small nation within a nation. So fundamentally fault does lie with how they have been settled within areas in high numbers, denying a chance to assimilate. Its easy to go off the US which is far bigger than Europe with half its population and whilst the US has more Muslims than Belgium, the numbers in Europe dwarf that of the US. Its true they have assimilated better in the US but again because they are far more widespread and given a focus of identity. Its like here the focus is played on British and not English, which is wrong within the English land area.
But again there is still one underlying factor, that is the religion itself before at the very core of this problem with how easily it can make a Muslim turn easily into believing the most barbaric views from a normal day active life. This is blatantly ignored and all because of a fear of offending when it should be openly and honestly spoken about how no matter whether extremist Muslim or Non extremist Muslims within Europe, many share a belief the West and the US is out to destroy Islam and countless disinformation and hate circulated and conspiracies helps fueled this daily. With again little being done to combat this. No matter how well a a peaceful version of Islams taught, this fails, when people hold views learnt from circulating hateful narratives. To even blame wrongs done to other Muslims in the world further makes this situation even more problematic, because we just do not see a replication of other groups who have suffered political and socioeconomically issues where they live. Again we see even within the Middle east Christians, Druze, Yazidis and countless other minorities suffer countless persecution and atrocities done to them, but where is the revenge or violence offered in return from those living there or their fellow believers in the west? Again for centuries African Americans have suffered the worst hardships and we see little evidence of terrorism. So clearly there is a fundamental pull from the Islamic teaching itself and its time we stopped ignoring that and talked openly and honestly about it.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:55 am
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Because calling people in Belgium "hill shepherds" and saying that they should be extinct is clearly racist.
Since WHEN have Belgians been considered a "race" ???
OR Jews, Muslims or Brit's, for that matter..
Didge, Tommy and Stormee, as examples, may like to keep on trying to give the term "racist" a new and broader meaning to fit their own personal meanings to support their indiividual fascist agendas..
BUT simply wishing to do so, doesn't make it so..
The Belgium's just like any other nation are a nationality
Biologically there is no such thing as races, but there is as social constructs, where again you lie to the forum, as you are a vile Jew hating Islamofascist.
We have these social construct because of racists like you so we can identify hate crimes to people by their ethnic groups and nationalities. so we can log the statistical date of the many hate crimes perpetuated by the likes of racists like you
I suppose next you will be telling the forum you cannot be racist towards the Irish, Welsh, English and Scots
I suggest you go back to school and allow the adults to debate
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:57 am
Didge wrote:
Is that why they have been untold riots with the far right and African Americans in the US?
You see what the article fails to even answer is the fact the American white racists hate the Blacks more than they hate Muslims
That is because most Americans do not even know many Muslims, being as they only represent 0.8%
So again you need to understand these facts and answer again which all have failed to do
where again Muslims in America are not bunched into enclaves as they have been in Europe and the US has a tiny Muslim population that is again tiny compared to Europe and its more a recent population than Europe. That means the problems have not been faced yet where the population is less than 1%, in Britain alone its 5%, in Belgium its 5%, where in some areas that number jumps dramatically to 25%. So like I say back to the world of reality and not the only place where they are primitive and miles behind the EU with progression being as they still have not even been able to offer marriage equality yet.
Some interesting points and some to be learnt on integration, and it does speak rightly on the narratives of hate finding traction within Europe. Which he places European policies on being too tough, I believe it has been because actually we have been far too soft. Problems have arisen because on enclaves of cities having many of the same people settle en mass into one area, thus creating a situation that is near impossible for assimilation. Because they are not living really with the people of the country but as a small nation within a nation. So fundamentally fault does lie with how they have been settled within areas in high numbers, denying a chance to assimilate. Its easy to go off the US which is far bigger than Europe with half its population and whilst the US has more Muslims than Belgium, the numbers in Europe dwarf that of the US. Its true they have assimilated better in the US but again because they are far more widespread and given a focus of identity. Its like here the focus is played on British and not English, which is wrong within the English land area.
But again there is still one underlying factor, that is the religion itself before at the very core of this problem with how easily it can make a Muslim turn easily into believing the most barbaric views from a normal day active life. This is blatantly ignored and all because of a fear of offending when it should be openly and honestly spoken about how no matter whether extremist Muslim or Non extremist Muslims within Europe, many share a belief the West and the US is out to destroy Islam and countless disinformation and hate circulated and conspiracies helps fueled this daily. With again little being done to combat this. No matter how well a a peaceful version of Islams taught, this fails, when people hold views learnt from circulating hateful narratives. To even blame wrongs done to other Muslims in the world further makes this situation even more problematic, because we just do not see a replication of other groups who have suffered political and socioeconomically issues where they live. Again we see even within the Middle east Christians, Druze, Yazidis and countless other minorities suffer countless persecution and atrocities done to them, but where is the revenge or violence offered in return from those living there or their fellow believers in the west? Again for centuries African Americans have suffered the worst hardships and we see little evidence of terrorism. So clearly there is a fundamental pull from the Islamic teaching itself and its time we stopped ignoring that and talked openly and honestly about it.
Bumped back up for Ben,
Sorry some Australian little rodent seems to have graced this thread attempting to spoil it.
I have sent in pest control and it should be resolved shortly
Right, catch you all later as off to work
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:19 am
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Because calling people in Belgium "hill shepherds" and saying that they should be extinct is clearly racist.
Since WHEN have Belgians been considered a "race" ???
OR Jews, Muslims or Brit's, for that matter..
Didge, Tommy and Stormee, as examples, may like to keep on trying to give the term "racist" a new and broader definition to fit their own personal meanings to support their indiividual fascist agendas..
BUT simply wishing to do so, doesn't make it so..
If you read the context, you'll see why it was racist.
Arab Muslims born and raised in the United States are just as American as I am, but Arab Muslims born and raised in Belgium will never be Belgian. They may or may not be citizens of the state of Belgium, but they won’t have a Belgian identity. A Belgian identity scarcely even exists. Most Belgians identify first and foremost as Dutch-speaking Flemish or French-speaking Walloons
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:22 am
veya_victaous wrote:nicko wrote:Sorry but he's a racist cnut who thinks the sun shines out of his arse, he also thinks he knows more about our island than those who live here.
I know you lot are just whinges that say the sky is falling
YOU think you know the UKs relative poisiton internationally based on living a some backwater int he UK!!!
YOU fail to accept That We started doing it 20 years before you so IF you fail it is Because YOU are failures no other reason.
dont worry nicko you'll be dead soon you wont have to deal with the future like some of us do
only old pieces of shit seem to really have a problem with multicultralisnm
we just have to wait to you obsolete bunch meet fate.
You see, this is why you're not as marvellous as you think you are. You sit here boasting about how "progressive" you are, but really you have the manners of a neanderthal.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:42 am
veya_victaous wrote:old people will be dead soon
or is this another "we cant accept reality"????
look at the demographics
the quicker we tell the old to shut up
the quicker we can make the world better.
they wont even be in the future
so why do they insist on fucking it up.
"Old" people have as much right to their opinion and to a share of the world as you do Veya. Perhaps you think everyone should be bumped off at 40, in which case you'd better get your skates on ...
I don't know why you think you're so "progressive" - you seem to be stuck in 1984.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by nicko Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:09 am
Veya thinks he'll never grow old, Peter Pan is his hero.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Ben Reilly Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:49 pm
nicko wrote:Veya thinks he'll never grow old, Peter Pan is his hero.
Who's Peter Pan, geezer?
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:54 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:veya_victaous wrote:nicko wrote:Sorry but he's a racist cnut who thinks the sun shines out of his arse, he also thinks he knows more about our island than those who live here.
I know you lot are just whinges that say the sky is falling
YOU think you know the UKs relative poisiton internationally based on living a some backwater int he UK!!!
YOU fail to accept That We started doing it 20 years before you so IF you fail it is Because YOU are failures no other reason.
dont worry nicko you'll be dead soon you wont have to deal with the future like some of us do
only old pieces of shit seem to really have a problem with multicultralisnm
we just have to wait to you obsolete bunch meet fate.
You see, this is why you're not as marvellous as you think you are. You sit here boasting about how "progressive" you are, but really you have the manners of a neanderthal.
Manners? In my opinion, you have terrible manners! you act like an English person
the height of uncouth and uncivilized behaviour
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:03 am
Raggamuffin wrote:veya_victaous wrote:old people will be dead soon
or is this another "we cant accept reality"????
look at the demographics
the quicker we tell the old to shut up
the quicker we can make the world better.
they wont even be in the future
so why do they insist on fucking it up.
"Old" people have as much right to their opinion and to a share of the world as you do Veya. Perhaps you think everyone should be bumped off at 40, in which case you'd better get your skates on ...
I don't know why you think you're so "progressive" - you seem to be stuck in 1984.
Firstly... actually closer to 60... and when I am nickos age I will quitely like have to be reporcessed, that is just reality for the generations that live after the old buggers that ruined the world
secondly it is progressive 1984 was about a potential future. that now seems more than likely.
But the reporcessing is Soylent Green not 1984
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:28 am
veya_victaous wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
You see, this is why you're not as marvellous as you think you are. You sit here boasting about how "progressive" you are, but really you have the manners of a neanderthal.
Manners? In my opinion, you have terrible manners! you act like an English person
the height of uncouth and uncivilized behaviour
If the English people have been one of the most advanced groups and have been for a few centuries now. With it being the fourth most technologically advanced in the world today and socially one of the most advanced in the world being that we have a universal free health care program and have some of the most advanced equal rights for people renders again your view not only utterly wrong but fails to even understand the definition of what civilized is based on, In fact your claim was very uncivilized, as its not only rude but very impolite.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:46 am
nicko wrote:Veya thinks he'll never grow old, Peter Pan is his hero.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:51 am
Didge wrote:veya_victaous wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
You see, this is why you're not as marvellous as you think you are. You sit here boasting about how "progressive" you are, but really you have the manners of a neanderthal.
Manners? In my opinion, you have terrible manners! you act like an English person
the height of uncouth and uncivilized behaviour
If the English people have been one of the most advanced groups and have been for a few centuries now. With it being the fourth most technologically advanced in the world today and socially one of the most advanced in the world being that we have a universal free health care program and have some of the most advanced equal rights for people renders again your view not only utterly wrong but fails to even understand the definition of what civilized is based on, In fact your claim was very uncivilized, as its not only rude but very impolite.
you are 27th not 5th
you found 1 that had a HUGE weigthing for History
and said 'tradition' was good thing.
was so obviously written by eurotrash it was worthless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:03 am
Where to be born?
Which proves again you do not understand what the word civilized means
Plus your index is years out date and is based on a survey
PMSL
Its not based on wealth, equality laws, health systems
lol Thanks veya, you really need to take your foot out of your mouth ha ha ha
Which proves again you do not understand what the word civilized means
Plus your index is years out date and is based on a survey
PMSL
Its not based on wealth, equality laws, health systems
lol Thanks veya, you really need to take your foot out of your mouth ha ha ha
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:17 am
no it's not, but it used data from 2006 to 2013 to be the most complete measure of actual 'good stuff' not this Bullshit that you got some 500 year old building so your more civilized even though your roads and hospitals are inferiorThe index was calculated for 2013 and includes data from 80 countries and territories. The survey used ten quality of life factors along with forecasts of future GDP per capita to determine a nation's score
You keep digging didge, just proving why we hate eurotrash that thinks some old crappy Churches make Civilization
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:22 am
veya_victaous wrote:no it's not, but it used data from 2006 to 2013 to be the most complete measure of actual 'good stuff' not this Bullshit that you got some 500 year old building so your more civilized even though your roads and hospitals are inferiorThe index was calculated for 2013 and includes data from 80 countries and territories. The survey used ten quality of life factors along with forecasts of future GDP per capita to determine a nation's score
You keep digging didge, just proving why we hate eurotrash that thinks some old crappy Churches make Civilization
And its only 80 countries, and how many countries are there in the world and how many people were surveyed?
Its 10 years old also, based off calculations then.
Gallop polls would do a pool of a 1,000 people, so that is 80,000 people surveyed out of 8 billion
One moment
Lets see a real proper ranking system, one that is recognised.
Best Countries
- #1 Germany
- #2 Canada
- #3 United Kingdom
- #4 United States
- #5 Sweden
http://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-full-list
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:36 am
ohh ok 2013 is 10 years ago
How much have you been drinking?
Ohh you though you could cheery pich a single year? no real stats are measured over time like from 2006 to 2013
and Your one
So I waiting for your admisison that you used a survey with a the smaller sample size in less nations on less factors
And ZERO Aussies
Like Me and Wolf always say Pathetic Eurotrash just make shit up ALL THE TIME
you got our rank from Speaking to No one !!!
How much have you been drinking?
Ohh you though you could cheery pich a single year? no real stats are measured over time like from 2006 to 2013
and Your one
A total of 16,248 individuals from 36 countries in four regions - the Americas, Asia, Europe and the Middle East and Africa - were surveyed.
So I waiting for your admisison that you used a survey with a the smaller sample size in less nations on less factors
And ZERO Aussies
Like Me and Wolf always say Pathetic Eurotrash just make shit up ALL THE TIME
you got our rank from Speaking to No one !!!
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:42 am
veya_victaous wrote:ohh ok 2013 is 10 years ago
How much have you been drinking?
Ohh you though you could cheery pich a single year? no real stats are measured over time like from 2006 to 2013
and Your oneA total of 16,248 individuals from 36 countries in four regions - the Americas, Asia, Europe and the Middle East and Africa - were surveyed.
So I waiting for your admisison that you used a survey with a the smaller sample size in less nations on less factors
And ZERO Aussies
Like Me and Wolf always say Pathetic Eurotrash just make shit up ALL THE TIME
you got our rank from Speaking to No one !!!
The index was calculated for 2013 and includes data from 80 countries and territories. The survey used ten quality of life factors along with forecasts of future GDP per capita to determine a nation's score.[1]
The life satisfaction scores for 2006 (on scale of 1 to 10) for 130 countries (from the Gallup Poll) are related in a multivariate regression to various factors. As many as 11 indicators are statistically significant. Together these indicators explain some 85% of the inter-country variation in life satisfaction scores.
The independent variables in the estimating equation for 2006 include:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index
Monumental fail by Veya
That is 10 years old, calculations were made for 2013 based off the surveys of 2006
16,000 surveyed?
wow
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:44 am
I mean the opening sentence is a dead give away Veya
The Economist Intelligence Unit’s where-to-be-born index (previously called the quality-of-life index, abbreviated QLI) attempts to measure which country will provide the best opportunities for a healthy, safe and prosperous life in the years ahead.
The Economist Intelligence Unit’s where-to-be-born index (previously called the quality-of-life index, abbreviated QLI) attempts to measure which country will provide the best opportunities for a healthy, safe and prosperous life in the years ahead.
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:47 am
Its going to be a struggle getting to work on time, as I dont know how long it will take rolling with laughter to get their.
See you all later
See you all later
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:43 am
veya_victaous wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
You see, this is why you're not as marvellous as you think you are. You sit here boasting about how "progressive" you are, but really you have the manners of a neanderthal.
Manners? In my opinion, you have terrible manners! you act like an English person
the height of uncouth and uncivilized behaviour
Only an Aussie would think it's polite and civilised to gloat about elderly people dying and call them "old pieces of shit".
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Re: Europe on the Brink
by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:47 am
I see that Veya has found a new word - "Eurotrash" - and he's also speaking for Wolfman. Aussies united in bigotry!
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