UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed)

by Guest Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:29 am

First topic message reminder :

Argentina's government celebrated on Monday a decision by a UN commission expanding its maritime territory in the South Atlantic Ocean by 35 per cent to include the disputed Falkland Islands and beyond. The Argentine foreign ministry said that its waters had increased by 0.66 million square miles (1.7 million square kilometres) and the decision will be key in its dispute with Britain over the Islands. Argentina lost a brief, bloody 1982 war with Britain after Argentine troops seized the South Atlantic archipelago that Latin Americans call the Malvinas. The UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf sided with Argentina earlier this month, ratifying the country's 2009 report fixing the limit of its territory at 200 to 350 miles from its coast. "This is a historic occasion for Argentina because we've made a huge leap in the demarcation of the exterior limit of our continental shelf," Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra said. "This reaffirms our sovereignty rights over the resources of our continental shelf."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12206179/Argentina-celebrates-UN-decision-to-expand-its-maritime-territory-to-include-Falkland-Islands.html

Nothing to really be concerned about as UN resolutions count for jack shit
Its treaties between nations that are legally binding under international law
Britain can also Veto this as well
Unbelievable again this backward organisation denies the rights of the people who live there

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:09 am

What about the Palestinians Veya? Are you in favour of Israel taking over the West Bank and Gaza?

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:10 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do you really think that? It seems to me to be going the other way - small states wanting to be independent rather than joined to a larger state.

the greater vocalization is because the noose is tightening
People fear change and they are coming to realize that is is inevitable
Thus you get people resisting change and any cost, even their own determent.
working in technology it is something you have to conscious of.

As much as Les is sentiments are good and i agree,
the other side is they are delaying Argentina own path which is to have as much bargaining power when it comes to unionizing with the other large south American nations. it is not about the island it is about economic and military control of the continental shelf.. Which to use Australian and New Zealand for example,
they have surrendered it to us. (through negotiation not aggression)
They in circumstance far less likely to lead to aggression made the choice a weaker nation has to make at times.

But the above conflicts with how you ended up being able to be self reliant as a nation away from the UK
By your view, you are saying the UK has a right to Australian based on its past and how it once ruled that land mass.
You contradict yourself with every post, because again like I said you either back self determination of a people or you do not.
The best solution for the future is joint rights to the territorial waters, with the islanders retaining the right to govern themselves.
All you are doing is championing colonialist Spanish bullies, claiming they have rights to a land hundreds of miles from them.
By that same belief England and France could claim the rights to each others land mass and they are only 20 miles apart by sea
This is why your view is absurd
There is no history of Argentinian people over the last centuries being on the island, and it was not an independent nation until 1810 and they mainly had used the place as a prison and nothing more which removed also at this time.
So best you know the history before claim rights that you have offered up no reason that they should have

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Veya, if the Aborigines said they didn't want to be Australian, and they wanted their own State, would you tell them to leave?

If an Individual aborigine did then yes they should have the right to move where ever they want to too..

this is where people like didge make the classic mistake made by the old world when dealing with other peoples they are NOT homogeneous. there will be at least one individual that will want every option,

And fact of life... is we need to remain united for our own protection if we break then China might pick us off one by one.

I mean all the Aborigines, not just an individual one. So you were actually in favour of Australia being taken over by the British then.

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:12 am

What if Australia took over New Zealand against the will of the people, and they objected. Would you support forcibly removing them - like ethnic cleansing?

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:14 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

At the end of the day this is about whether you back the right of self determination.

If you do, then you have to back the Falkland islanders

If you do not, then you should as well as all other descendants of European colonialists leave immediately.

So interesting to know you actively supported Hitler invading Poland, and thus being the catalyst for the deaths of 60 million people

Wow

in war there is no legally binding laws, until the winner decides what they are.

And like I said you don't get to make that decision! no one does Life is Life Man is but a beast and all you demands for him to be civilized can be ignored.
Europe used to be able to enforce it's rules and lines through the use of violence (the Falklands war)
But Are you still in the position too?
do you really expect the rest of the world to give a shit that you don't want the lines to change?

Nonsense again, there is rules on war, and international laws, where also i suggest you look up the Geneva convention which many nations are signed up to. Again countries that invade aggressively based off no defensive reason or to seek the conquest of lands, is illegal.
You have not a clue what you are even talking about and you are claiming Hitler had a right to extinguish the Polish nation based off lands the Germans themselves had only formerly created themselves back in 1870
So stop spouting nonsense

You either back the self determination of people, which thus includes the Falkland islands

Or you do not and thus should leave Australia immediately

by veya_victaous Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:14 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Veya, if the US and UK had decided to keep hold of Iraq, would that have been OK with you? After all, if the people of Iraq didn't want that, you'd just say they should leave, right?

If they were to resettle and/or establish a legitimate government that the individual felt so strong against then yes they should leave (and we get some too we where the first in and still there)

But in saying that they don't have to be reasonable, they can be rebels but they just need to be aware that they are taking the path away from peace. it does come down to specifics,,, is the new gov't raping the nation or working for good/peace?

it is also different in that would be a colony or conquest as opposed to a union where the individuals of each are equal under the unified government

by veya_victaous Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:19 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Veya, if the Aborigines said they didn't want to be Australian, and they wanted their own State, would you tell them to leave?

If an Individual aborigine did then yes they should have the right to move where ever they want to too..

this is where people like didge make the classic mistake made by the old world when dealing with other peoples they are NOT homogeneous. there will be at least one individual that will want every option,

And fact of life... is we need to remain united for our own protection if we break then China might pick us off one by one.

I mean all the Aborigines, not just an individual one. So you were actually in favour of Australia being taken over by the British then.

that is dumb raggs Rolling Eyes

all aboriginals would not all agree to the same thing... and when the English came to Sydney the koori did move then the next nation etc etc. Aboriginals are not one peoples they are 200 'nation/tribes' that they call mobs.

And It is not about in favor of or supporting it is about action and reality. what is is Rolling Eyes

to take from aboriginal scripture "One must be like brother roo and sister emu to survive, one must only move forward"

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:22 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Veya, if the US and UK had decided to keep hold of Iraq, would that have been OK with you? After all, if the people of Iraq didn't want that, you'd just say they should leave, right?

If they were to resettle and/or establish a legitimate government that the individual felt so strong against then yes they should leave (and we get some too we where the first in and still there)

But in saying that they don't have to be reasonable, they can be rebels but they just need to be aware that they are taking the path away from peace. it does come down to specifics,,, is the new gov't raping the nation or working for good/peace?

it is also different in that would be a colony or conquest as opposed to a union where the individuals of each are equal under the unified government

It seems to me that you're a bit of a colonialist Veya. In that case, your objection to the Falklands being a British overseas territory doesn't really make sense. If you think it should be part of Argentina on the grounds of geography, how does that tie in with your opinion that it would be perfectly fine for Iraq to be part of the US or the UK?

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:24 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I mean all the Aborigines, not just an individual one. So you were actually in favour of Australia being taken over by the British then.

that is dumb raggs all aboriginals would not all agree to the same thing... and when the English came to Sydney the koori did move then the next nation etc etc. Aboriginals are not one peoples they are 200 'nation/tribes' that they call mobs.

And It is not about in favor of or supporting it is about action and reality. what is is
to take from aboriginal scripture "One must be like brother roo and sister emu to survive, one must only move forward"

How do you know they wouldn't all agree to the same thing? Let's say a large majority instead then.

It just seems to me that you're in favour of a large group of people taking over a small group, and telling the small group to get out if they don't like it. Would that be correct? In that case, you were in favour of British colonialism.

by Major Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:27 pm

The Yanks nicked Texas.

by 'Wolfie Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

that is dumb raggs all aboriginals would not all agree to the same thing... and when the English came to Sydney the koori did move then the next nation etc etc. Aboriginals are not one peoples they are 200 'nation/tribes' that they call mobs.

And It is not about in favor of or supporting it is about action and reality. what is is
to take from aboriginal scripture "One must be like brother roo and sister emu to survive, one must only move forward"

How do you know they wouldn't all agree to the same thing? Let's say a large majority instead then.

It just seems to me that you're in favour of a large group of people taking over a small group, and telling the small group to get out if they don't like it. Would that be correct? In that case, you were in favour of British colonialism.

I'M part Aboriginl myself, Rag's - and I'll tell you up front -- you're talking absolute crap about issues that you simply don't know the first thing about...

Indigenous Australians had over 100 dialects, over 200 family groups, and even today live in some 200 "communities". Even then, the great majority of Aboriginal peoples today live scatteredamong regular Aussie communities, holding down regular jobs, sending their kids to regular schools..

Back in 1788, the 'First People' in The Great Southern Land, Terra Australis, did not have a recognised form of "One Nation" organisation among dozens of scattered groups -- unlike the native tribes in the Americas and the Maoris in New Zealand -- that is basically what made it possible for the British Invaders to create the fictional legal concept of 'Terra nullus', to justify theft of the Aborigines' homelands with zero compensation and no perceived reason for any form of Treaty..

The British colonial cowards left it up to the Australian government in the latter half of the 20th century to give voting rights, census recognition, and land grant and compensation to our Indigenous brothers and sisters...

TO rub salt further into their wounds, the cowardly British government is still dragging the chain, in ordering criminal British universitirs and museums to return stolen bodies to their family descendants, in not only Australia and NZ, but indigenous peoples in Africa and the Americas..

afro

by 'Wolfie Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:22 pm

Stormee wrote:The Yanks nicked Texas.

... and Hawaii.

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:27 pm

I see Bee is denying any blame onto Australians

Another one that is deciding when the people became Australians and denying any blame from their own ancestors

by 'Wolfie Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:48 pm

Didge wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

ONCE AGAIN the ridiculous little Dodger shows us just what a clueless fool he is !!!
Infantile response yet again

"...abusing the rights of the indigenous..."
Just wtf is Dodge talking about ?
You do abuse the indigenous as you are a barbaric European colonialists, former criminals. The Falkland islanders have been there for over 200 years.

"...offer up more than one place..."
Where does Dodge get off making up such absolute lies ?
There are Aborigines at all levels of government down here -- they're able to stand for as many seats as they care to at every election.
Only one Aboriginal in the main Government.
Bravo on that achievement and how many years has that taken
Australia has to be about the biggest racist shit-hole going

"...you are behind Muslim majority countries at the moment."
Another outright falsehood, pure and simple, from the #1 habitual liar on this forum..
Yes that is unfair, you are more on a par with Muslim majority nations when it comes to progression. Anyone can see that with your backward policies on refugees and immigration, lack of equal rights on marriage.

WHAT a pathetic little know-nothing fool the ol' Didge has become !!!
And you are nothing more than a pathetic little rat, who worms around this forum spouting your ignorant bullshit

Yes thanks for once again one of your ignorant idiot rants, that is all you a capable of, so let me educate that pea brain of yours.

.................................................

Lol lets see what else gibberish this idiot cretin bee another pond slime has to offer back with?

..........................

Once again we have the pathetic old Drudge talking total shit.....

He's been lying through his teeth over Australia for some months now :

The fuckbrain retard has the gall to call me pea brain, idiot, left wing regressive -- yet he is the one making up lies on here, NOT me !

NOT ONLY is there more than one Federal politician of Aboriginal descent - but there have been several at State level, plus more on various councils and state bodies.
There ISN'T any extra or special imposed impediment these days to more Indigenous politicians standing for elections..

THE first Aboriginal pollie in Oz was Neville Bonner in the Qld parliament back in the 1960s and 70s.
JUST ANOTHER little fact that escaped the moronic Didge's attention -- but no more than I would expect, considering the Dodger hasn't done his homework - but instead simply keeps on inventing new lies...

AND what's that crap about me saying or thinking anything about the Falklands, you ignorant little imbecile - look back, and tell us where I said anything about them, you jumped up little fool..

I WAS only addressing your lies against Australia and it's First People, you pathetic little turd.

That's right, Didge -- just keep digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole :
UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 2686688521

UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 2686688521

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:55 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yes thanks for once again one of your ignorant idiot rants, that is all you a capable of, so let me educate that pea brain of yours.

.................................................

Lol lets see what else gibberish this idiot cretin bee another pond slime has to offer back with?

..........................

Once again we have the pathetic old Drudge talking total shit.....
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

He's been lying through his teeth over Australia for some months now :
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

The fuckbrain retard has the gall to call me pea brain, idiot, left wing regressive -- yet he is the one making up lies on here, NOT me !
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel
NOT ONLY is there more than one Federal politician of Aboriginal descent - but there have been several at State level, plus more on various councils and state bodies.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel
There ISN'T any extra or special imposed impediment these days to more Indigenous politicians standing for elections..

THE first Aboriginal pollie in Oz was Neville Bonner in the Qld parliament back in the 1960s and 70s.
JUST ANOTHER little fact that escaped the moronic Didge's attention -- but no more than I would expect, considering the Dodger hasn't done his homework - but instead simply keeps on inventing new lies...
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

AND what's that crap about me saying or thinking anything about the Falklands, you ignorant little imbecile - look back, and tell us where I said anything about them, you jumped up little fool..
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

I WAS only addressing your lies against Australia and it's First People, you pathetic little turd.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

That's right, Didge -- just keep digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole :

What an epic rant by the rat boy without making a single intelligent point

ha ha

by 'Wolfie Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:58 pm

Didge wrote:I see Bee is denying any blame onto Australians

Another one that is deciding when the people became Australians and denying any blame from their own ancestors

DO YOUR fucking homework, you ignorant pig...

BRITAIN invaded Oz in 1788.

AUSTRALIA became a Federation in 1901..

THE Australian government began recognition of Aboriginals in the 1940s, gave them the vote in the 1950s, Census recognition in 1964, and reparations (land rights) in 1973..

THE BRITISH government still hasn't signed a treaty with our Aborigines;
NOR has Britain paid their bills for Australian and NZ help during WWI..
AND you still have dozens of indigenous remains in your museums and uni's awaiting repatriation to their homelands.

You pathetic whining little weasel..

Evil or Very Mad

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:04 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:I see Bee is denying any blame onto Australians

Another one that is deciding when the people became Australians and denying any blame from their own ancestors

DO YOUR fucking homework, you ignorant pig...
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

BRITAIN invaded Oz in 1788.
Wrong, they did not invade you fucking ignorant rat boy, talk about psuedo history

AUSTRALIA became a Federation in 1901..
Within a generation of the first settlers, they would be Australians, so you can forget when they became federal, as we are talking about a people and not its independence. We are also talking about your criminal ancestors who absued the aboriginals and persecuted them

THE Australian government began recognition of Aboriginals in the 1940s, gave them the vote in the 1950s, Census recognition in 1964, and reparations (land rights) in 1973..
The Australian government to this day denies them self determination, making Australia a racist nation

THE BRITISH government still hasn't signed a treaty with our Aborigines;
They have no need to do so, that is down to the criminals ancestors you come from
NOR has Britain paid their bills for Australian and NZ help during WWI..
We have no need to, you became Australian the moment you had children from the first settlers there
AND you still have dozens of indigenous remains in your museums and uni's awaiting repatriation to their homelands.

You pathetic whining little weasel..

You fucking little pathetic rat boy

by 'Wolfie Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:06 pm

Didge wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Once again we have the pathetic old Drudge talking total shit.....
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

He's been lying through his teeth over Australia for some months now :
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

The fuckbrain retard has the gall to call me pea brain, idiot, left wing regressive -- yet he is the one making up lies on here, NOT me !
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel
NOT ONLY is there more than one Federal politician of Aboriginal descent - but there have been several at State level, plus more on various councils and state bodies.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel
There ISN'T any extra or special imposed impediment these days to more Indigenous politicians standing for elections..

THE first Aboriginal pollie in Oz was Neville Bonner in the Qld parliament back in the 1960s and 70s.
JUST ANOTHER little fact that escaped the moronic Didge's attention -- but no more than I would expect, considering the Dodger hasn't done his homework - but instead simply keeps on inventing new lies...
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

AND what's that crap about me saying or thinking anything about the Falklands, you ignorant little imbecile - look back, and tell us where I said anything about them, you jumped up little fool..
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

I WAS only addressing your lies against Australia and it's First People, you pathetic little turd.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

That's right, Didge -- just keep digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole :

What an epic rant by the rat boy without making a single intelligent point

ha ha

Not one intelligent point, arty Dodger ???

Everyone can see that what I AM doing is addressing your outright lies, Drudge..

I'VE pointed out all of your pathetic inventions.

AND YET, you totally fail to disprove even one thing that I've said ?

You're the one proving just what a fraud you are !

And all that you're reduced to is insulting and abusing me ?

HOW about some evidence to back your blatant lies and fallacious claims..

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:09 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:

What an epic rant by the rat boy without making a single intelligent point

ha ha

Not one intelligent point, arty Dodger ???
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

Everyone can see that what I AM doing is addressing your outright lies, Drudge..
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

I'VE pointed out all of your pathetic inventions.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

AND YET, you totally fail to disprove even one thing that I've said ?
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

You're the one proving just what a fraud you are !
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

And all that you're reduced to is insulting and abusing me ?
clearly a taste of your own medicine has not made you learn
You fail to answer all my original points showing that its you that jumped in being abusive and got your hairy rat arse burnt

HOW about some evidence to back your blatant lies and fallacious claims..

Gave loads to educate your ignorance

What did you give?

Denial and again denial of the wrongs of the Australian people

Like I said, you are deciding when they became Australians

They became Australians, the moment they decided to settler there within a generation

UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 2686688521

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:41 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

How do you know they wouldn't all agree to the same thing? Let's say a large majority instead then.

It just seems to me that you're in favour of a large group of people taking over a small group, and telling the small group to get out if they don't like it. Would that be correct? In that case, you were in favour of British colonialism.

I'M part Aboriginl myself, Rag's - and I'll tell you up front -- you're talking absolute crap about issues that you simply don't know the first thing about...

Indigenous Australians had over 100 dialects, over 200 family groups, and even today live in some 200 "communities". Even then, the great majority of Aboriginal peoples today live scatteredamong regular Aussie communities, holding down regular jobs, sending their kids to regular schools..

Back in 1788, the 'First People' in The Great Southern Land, Terra Australis, did not have a recognised form of "One Nation" organisation among dozens of scattered groups -- unlike the native tribes in the Americas and the Maoris in New Zealand -- that is basically what made it possible for the British Invaders to create the fictional legal concept of 'Terra nullus', to justify theft of the Aborigines' homelands with zero compensation and no perceived reason for any form of Treaty..

The British colonial cowards left it up to the Australian government in the latter half of the 20th century to give voting rights, census recognition, and land grant and compensation to our Indigenous brothers and sisters...

TO rub salt further into their wounds, the cowardly British government is still dragging the chain, in ordering criminal British universitirs and museums to return stolen bodies to their family descendants, in not only Australia and NZ, but indigenous peoples in Africa and the Americas..

Aborigines were just an example - I'm not really bothered about them tbh. The issue is whether or not people should put up with others taking over a country. Your fellow citizen doesn't seem bothered about stealing land - he'd do it and tell the people to leave if they didn't like it.

by veya_victaous Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:32 pm

Didge wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:I see Bee is denying any blame onto Australians

Another one that is deciding when the people became Australians and denying any blame from their own ancestors

DO YOUR fucking homework, you ignorant pig...
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

BRITAIN invaded Oz in 1788.
Wrong, they did not invade you fucking ignorant rat boy, talk about psuedo history

AUSTRALIA became a Federation in 1901..
Within a generation of the first settlers, they would be Australians, so you can forget when they became federal, as we are talking about a people and not its independence. We are also talking about your criminal ancestors who absued the aboriginals and persecuted them

THE Australian government began recognition of Aboriginals in the 1940s, gave them the vote in the 1950s, Census recognition in 1964, and reparations (land rights) in 1973..
The Australian government to this day denies them self determination, making Australia a racist nation

THE BRITISH government still hasn't signed a treaty with our Aborigines;
They have no need to do so, that is down to the criminals ancestors you come from
NOR has Britain paid their bills for Australian and NZ help during WWI..
We have no need to, you became Australian the moment you had children from the first settlers there

UMm yeah you need to do your homework most freemen of the first fleet went back to the Uk once they had finished setting up farms and lumber mills ran on convict labor. and Convicts are not free settlers that is like blaming the african Americans and shows why you are a dick, blaming people that were forced to travel in Chains. the other main group that stayed was the rum corps .. for Sydney at least, and Sydeny is the first colony
AND you still have dozens of indigenous remains in your museums and uni's awaiting repatriation to their homelands.

You pathetic whining little weasel..

You fucking little pathetic rat boy

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:33 pm

All these quotes within quotes - I can't work out who's doing the swearing now!

by veya_victaous Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

How do you know they wouldn't all agree to the same thing? Let's say a large majority instead then.

It just seems to me that you're in favour of a large group of people taking over a small group, and telling the small group to get out if they don't like it. Would that be correct? In that case, you were in favour of British colonialism.

I'M part Aboriginl myself, Rag's - and I'll tell you up front -- you're talking absolute crap about issues that you simply don't know the first thing about...

Indigenous Australians had over 100 dialects, over 200 family groups, and even today live in some 200 "communities". Even then, the great majority of Aboriginal peoples today live scatteredamong regular Aussie communities, holding down regular jobs, sending their kids to regular schools..

Back in 1788, the 'First People' in The Great Southern Land, Terra Australis, did not have a recognised form of "One Nation" organisation among dozens of scattered groups -- unlike the native tribes in the Americas and the Maoris in New Zealand -- that is basically what made it possible for the British Invaders to create the fictional legal concept of 'Terra nullus', to justify theft of the Aborigines' homelands with zero compensation and no perceived reason for any form of Treaty..

The British colonial cowards left it up to the Australian government in the latter half of the 20th century to give voting rights, census recognition, and land grant and compensation to our Indigenous brothers and sisters...

TO rub salt further into their wounds, the cowardly British government is still dragging the chain, in ordering criminal British universitirs and museums to return stolen bodies to their family descendants, in not only Australia and NZ, but indigenous peoples in Africa and the Americas..

Aborigines were just an example - I'm not really bothered about them tbh. The issue is whether or not people should put up with others taking over a country. Your fellow citizen doesn't seem bothered about stealing land - he'd do it and tell the people to leave if they didn't like it.

well no raggs because we woud not be like the british, we would join with them not try and enslave and rape them.

I think this is why you are struggling you cant actaully concieve of Not wanting to rape and pilliage anothers lands.

this is also why you fear immigrants. you think that like the british they must want to rape and pilliage, but the thing is most of the world doesn't think like the british that want to rape and pilliage everything.

by nicko Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:40 pm

Why don't you fuck off with your anti-British posts?

Sick of reading your racist ravings.

You are a fucking idiot sir.

by Guest Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:All these quotes within quotes - I can't work out who's doing the swearing now!

That is because they are in denial of the first Australians being very bad and trying to classify them as Brits, when they were Australians

You see when the shoe is on the other foot, look how very defensive, nasty and aggressive they get

The fact they hate more than anything is fundamentally Australians are of a European and western culture in the vast majority

Hence the absurdity of many of Veya's and the even more regressive Bee's claims to say otherwise

by Victorismyhero Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:43 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

How do you know they wouldn't all agree to the same thing? Let's say a large majority instead then.

It just seems to me that you're in favour of a large group of people taking over a small group, and telling the small group to get out if they don't like it. Would that be correct? In that case, you were in favour of British colonialism.

I'M part Aboriginl myself, Rag's - and I'll tell you up front -- you're talking absolute crap about issues that you simply don't know the first thing about...

Indigenous Australians had over 100 dialects, over 200 family groups, and even today live in some 200 "communities". Even then, the great majority of Aboriginal peoples today live scatteredamong regular Aussie communities, holding down regular jobs, sending their kids to regular schools..

Back in 1788, the 'First People' in The Great Southern Land, Terra Australis, did not have a recognised form of "One Nation" organisation among dozens of scattered groups -- unlike the native tribes in the Americas and the Maoris in New Zealand -- that is basically what made it possible for the British Invaders to create the fictional legal concept of 'Terra nullus', to justify theft of the Aborigines' homelands with zero compensation and no perceived reason for any form of Treaty..

The British colonial cowards left it up to the Australian government in the latter half of the 20th century to give voting rights, census recognition, and land grant and compensation to our Indigenous brothers and sisters...

TO rub salt further into their wounds, the cowardly British government is still dragging the chain, in ordering criminal British universitirs and museums to return stolen bodies to their family descendants, in not only Australia and NZ, but indigenous peoples in Africa and the Americas..

Aborigines were just an example - I'm not really bothered about them tbh. The issue is whether or not people should put up with others taking over a country. Your fellow citizen doesn't seem bothered about stealing land - he'd do it and tell the people to leave if they didn't like it.

well no raggs because we woud not be like the british, we would join with them not try and enslave and rape them.

of course not veya...you would do it via proxy in the form of american mining companies etc.....who would pay you a pittance for access to your new found friends

I think this is why you are struggling you cant actaully concieve of Not wanting to rape and pilliage anothers lands.

this is also why you fear immigrants. you think that like the british they must want to rape and pilliage, but the thing is most of the world doesn't think like the british that want to rape and pilliage everything.

I think there is proof emerging that that is EXACTLY what they (immigrants) are like......

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:46 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Aborigines were just an example - I'm not really bothered about them tbh. The issue is whether or not people should put up with others taking over a country. Your fellow citizen doesn't seem bothered about stealing land - he'd do it and tell the people to leave if they didn't like it.

well no raggs because we woud not be like the british, we would join with them not try and enslave and rape them.

I think this is why you are struggling you cant actaully concieve of Not wanting to rape and pilliage anothers lands.

this is also why you fear immigrants. you think that like the british they must want to rape and pilliage, but the thing is most of the world doesn't think like the british that want to rape and pilliage everything.

You said earlier you would have no problem with incorporating NZ in a kind of superstate and telling the New Zealanders to leave if they didn't like it. You also said you would have no problem taking over Iraq and telling the Iraqis to leave if they didn't like it. You think that Argentina should have the Falklands, even though the majority of the residents want to be British.

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:48 pm

nicko wrote:Why don't you fuck off with your anti-British posts?

Sick of reading your racist ravings.

You are a fucking idiot sir.

He's outed himself as a raging colonialist Nicko, so his anti Brit posts are a bit hypocritical really. Laughing

by nicko Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:50 pm

Just a bit Raggs?, he's a raving idiot

by Irn Bru Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:12 am

Around half the current population of the Falklands are immigrants who weren't even born there and of the total population only around 27% are actually British. Around 67% of the population see their nationality as Falkland Islanders as opposed to being British.

Maybe we should tell the 67% to defend themselves then instead of expecting British taxpayers to pick up the bill for defending them and our soldiers laying down their lives o protect them.

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:49 am

It was only defended because of the oil, without that the government would not give a toss.

by veya_victaous Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:03 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Aborigines were just an example - I'm not really bothered about them tbh. The issue is whether or not people should put up with others taking over a country. Your fellow citizen doesn't seem bothered about stealing land - he'd do it and tell the people to leave if they didn't like it.

well no raggs because we woud not be like the british, we would join with them not try and enslave and rape them.

I think this is why you are struggling you cant actaully concieve of Not wanting to rape and pilliage anothers lands.

this is also why you fear immigrants. you think that like the british they must want to rape and pilliage, but the thing is most of the world doesn't think like the british that want to rape and pilliage everything.

You said earlier you would have no problem with incorporating NZ in a kind of superstate and telling the New Zealanders to leave if they didn't like it. You also said you would have no problem taking over Iraq and telling the Iraqis to leave if they didn't like it. You think that Argentina should have the Falklands, even though the majority of the residents want to be British.

you are an idiot
allowing them to leave , IF new zealand Voted to Join an Union with Australia then any that disagee with the MAJORITY should leave or accept it.

So you think that the IRA is Justified, if a minoirty feels put our they should stay and just be terroists?

by veya_victaous Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:08 am

nicko wrote:Why don't you fuck off with your anti-British posts?

Sick of reading your racist ravings.

You are a fucking idiot sir.

I'm sick of reading the pro britsh rubbish and all the excuses for your nations failures
all the balme you losers place on minoriotes
all the It's not our fault it is all the mulsims fault
the denial of respobilites the compelte BUILLSHit idea that your nation is anythign but scum that stole shit

I'll stop posting anti british comments on your Circle jerking when Britan becomes something that I am not anti
But the majority seem like complete fuck wits, it's policies are shit, it's out look is nazi like
and as it currently stands the world would be better if new people took over it.

by Victorismyhero Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:18 am

well hopefully, in the near future we wont be so reliant on oil...

since solar cells are due for yet another upgrade in efficiency

this time I recon to 30 %

and then 50%

and even with our weather we will be able to supply most of our energy needs

couple that with even better batteries which will make even the "new " lithium cells seem weak we will have the fictional "energy cell"

then we will need only such oil as is needed for "some plastics" although many can be synthesised from rubbish and trees..(and oilsed rape)

so we will be able to tell all these "oil" countries to "get stuffed" and let them go back to the stone age...
granted they have a lot of sunlight and so would appear to be ideal candidates for solar power....

but we wont NEED it

in fact they will soon be uninhabitable due to climate change....

lets just hope we can do the solar thing before that happens..........

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:32 am

Didge wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Not one intelligent point, arty Dodger ???
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

Everyone can see that what I AM doing is addressing your outright lies, Drudge..
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

I'VE pointed out all of your pathetic inventions.
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

AND YET, you totally fail to disprove even one thing that I've said ?
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

You're the one proving just what a fraud you are !
Nothing on the debate from the rat boy just more drivel

And all that you're reduced to is insulting and abusing me ?
clearly a taste of your own medicine has not made you learn
You fail to answer all my original points showing that its you that jumped in being abusive and got your hairy rat arse burnt

HOW about some evidence to back your blatant lies and fallacious claims..

Gave loads to educate your ignorance

What did you give?

Denial and again denial of the wrongs of the Australian people

Like I said, you are deciding when they became Australians

They became Australians, the moment they decided to settler there within a generation

MORE outright lies from Dodge, I see...

THROUGH this whole thread, one struggles to find even one factual and honest, let alone intelligent contributoon from that pathetic apologist..

INSTEAD OF looking up a few relevant facts, he simply keeps on rewriting history.

AND he claims to be an expert in History !
THAT thuggish, bullying, lying poor excuse for a Brit shpuld be locked away for his crimes against humanity and general decency..

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:00 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:

Gave loads to educate your ignorance

What did you give?

Denial and again denial of the wrongs of the Australian people

Like I said, you are deciding when they became Australians

They became Australians, the moment they decided to settler there within a generation

MORE outright lies from Dodge, I see...

THROUGH this whole thread, one struggles to find even one factual and honest, let alone intelligent contributoon from that pathetic apologist..

INSTEAD OF looking up a few relevant facts, he simply keeps on rewriting history.

AND he claims to be an expert in History !
THAT thuggish, bullying, lying poor excuse for a Brit shpuld be locked away for his crimes against humanity and general decency..

It s that why you have been unable to counter my points the whole way through rat boy?

As seen you are quite the dummy and know little about your own country let alone the Falklands

Its been hilarious as well watching you still continue to have a meltdown as well

Typical regressive leftist islamist racist antisemitic low life lol

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:41 am

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:53 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You said earlier you would have no problem with incorporating NZ in a kind of superstate and telling the New Zealanders to leave if they didn't like it. You also said you would have no problem taking over Iraq and telling the Iraqis to leave if they didn't like it. You think that Argentina should have the Falklands, even though the majority of the residents want to be British.

you are an idiot
allowing them to leave , IF new zealand Voted to Join an Union with Australia then any that disagee with the MAJORITY should leave or accept it.

So you think that the IRA is Justified, if a minoirty feels put our they should stay and just be terroists?

You're backtracking and you have the nerve to call me an idiot? We weren't talking about anyone voting to join with Australia, we were talking about countries being forcibly taken over. Did you not understand that we were comparing the situation with that of the Falklands? The Falklanders have not voted to join Argentina, and yet you think they should be forcibly taken over by Argentina.

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:58 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Why don't you fuck off with your anti-British posts?

Sick of reading your racist ravings.

You are a fucking idiot sir.

I'm sick of reading the pro britsh rubbish and all the excuses for your nations failures
all the balme you losers place on minoriotes
all the It's not our fault it is all the mulsims fault
the denial of respobilites the compelte BUILLSHit idea that your nation is anythign but scum that stole shit

I'll stop posting anti british comments on your Circle jerking when Britan becomes something that I am not anti
But the majority seem like complete fuck wits, it's policies are shit, it's out look is nazi like
and as it currently stands the world would be better if new people took over it.

You're the one who approved of what Hitler did, so you have no call to be saying that anyone else is "nazi like". Are you just tired of hearing about the UK and want some more attention for the Aussies? Perhaps some people here don't discuss Australia very often because it's such an insignificant place.

Maybe you'll be taken over by China soon and you gobby lot will be extinct. lol!

by nicko Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:05 am

We will always need BARMEN!

by nicko Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:05 am

We will always need BARMEN!

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:54 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Stormee wrote:WE have a force capability to stop the Argiz, sink them if they enter the restricted zone.

The UN has suddenly become a fan of warmongering by provoking the UK. I hope they get stuffed.

OZ and NZ may only be small in population compared to Indonesia; but between us, we control around half the local economy...

INDONESIA may have around over 50% of the Oceanic population, but they couldn't run a Sunday picnic !

THEY need Oz, NZ and Malaysia to run the show for them.
Otherwise they would be broke and going backwards within a few years...
(JUST IMAGINE the European economy without Germany, France and Britain at the helm..)

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:24 am

sassy wrote:It was only defended because of the oil, without that the government would not give a toss.

The UK is responsible for the defence of the Falklands, and they have a right to defend it against invaders.

The Argies want to expand their territory because of the oil. The UN decision doesn't affect the status of the Falklands , but Argentina might see this as a way to claim the Falkland Islands in a sneaky way, or to interfere. If they make any attempt to do so, the UK should defend the Falklands like they did before. The UN should be ashamed of their contribution in stirring up all that again.

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:33 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The UN has suddenly become a fan of warmongering by provoking the UK. I hope they get stuffed.

OZ and NZ may only be small in population compared to Indonesia; but between us, we control around half the local economy...

INDONESIA may have around over 50% of the Oceanic population, but they couldn't run a Sunday picnic !

THEY need Oz, NZ and Malaysia to run the show for them.
Otherwise they would be broke and going backwards within a few years...
(JUST IMAGINE the European economy without Germany, France and Britain at the helm..)

I'm not sure why you quoted my post about the UN, and I'll have to take your word for the situation down there because I really don't know much about the Indonesian economy. However, isn't it for Indonesia to decide if they want to be run by you lot?

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:38 am

Irn Bru wrote:Around half the current population of the Falklands are immigrants who weren't even born there and of the total population only around 27% are actually British. Around 67% of the population see their nationality as Falkland Islanders as opposed to being British.

Maybe we should tell the 67% to defend themselves then instead of expecting British taxpayers to pick up the bill for defending them and our soldiers laying down their lives o protect them.

If the first bit is true, it doesn't change the argument that Argentina need to stay away and make no attempt to take over the Falklands.

The second bit is quite a good point, if what you said in the first bit is true. However, it is also a matter of principle. If the Argies think they can just walk in and take over - well we just couldn't have that.

In any case, the Islanders voted to stay British in 2013.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/12/falkland-islands-referendum-votes-yes

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:53 am

Irn Bru wrote:Around half the current population of the Falklands are immigrants who weren't even born there and of the total population only around 27% are actually British. Around 67% of the population see their nationality as Falkland Islanders as opposed to being British.

Maybe we should tell the 67% to defend themselves then instead of expecting British taxpayers to pick up the bill for defending them and our soldiers laying down their lives o protect them.

Ah the old Chamberlain approach to a problematic bully and a Colonialist bully at that with Argentina

UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 Neville-chamberlain-0002

UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 Neville-chamberlain-0002

So by Irn's view point then he believes also being that the Northern Irish are then not British to him, we should just pull out of there also, even though they many view themselves as British?

Why is it people who through self determination want to remain British and identify as Falkland islanders to then have a regressive not defend that or their homes?

A classic case of if irn has been in power in 1982 after the Falklands Invasion by the Argies

UN Again deny Self-Determination of the Falkland Islanders- (Update-Cameron Tells UN to get stuffed) - Page 2 Neville-chamberlain-0002

by nicko Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:04 am

IRN, perhaps you'd like to explain your self to my son who fought with the Para's at Goose Green and saw two of his mates killed beside him.

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:05 am

Bru did say that 67% see themselves as Falklanders rather than British - he didn't say that he didn't see them as British. I don't think it's true tbh - because of the referendum.

As for Northern Ireland, well we're obliged to keep it because the majority want to be British. If they didn't care either way, I'd be quite happy for it to go. I'd be happy for it to go anyway, but one must respect the wishes of the majority.

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:08 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Bru did say that 67% see themselves as Falklanders rather than British - he didn't say that he didn't see them as British. I don't think it's true tbh - because of the referendum.

As for Northern Ireland, well we're obliged to keep it because the majority want to be British. If they didn't care either way, I'd be quite happy for it to go. I'd be happy for it to go anyway, but one must respect the wishes of the majority.

Exactly, as the referendum places them as wanting to remain British with a Falkland identity which is what I said rags

Irn basically wants to insult the memory of those who died recapturing the islands, by saying to stop defending the islands.
Sorry but I find that disgusting

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:10 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Bru did say that 67% see themselves as Falklanders rather than British - he didn't say that he didn't see them as British. I don't think it's true tbh - because of the referendum.

As for Northern Ireland, well we're obliged to keep it because the majority want to be British. If they didn't care either way, I'd be quite happy for it to go. I'd be happy for it to go anyway, but one must respect the wishes of the majority.

Exactly, as the referendum places them as wanting to remain British with a Falkland identity which is what I said rags

Irn basically wants to insult the memory of those who died recapturing the islands, by saying to stop defending the islands.
Sorry but I find that disgusting

To be fair, he did take the view that if the Islanders don't identify with being British, he didn't want British soldiers laying down their lives for them.

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