Brussels Airport Explosion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254

Blooming eck

At American Airlines check in desk

10 feared dead and 30 injured so far.

Another explosion at a Metro station to add to the confusion, all Metro stations closed

Stormee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254

Blooming eck

At American Airlines check in desk

10 feared dead and 30 injured so far.

Another explosion at a Metro station to add to the confusion, all Metro stations closed

The death toll is rising.   This is only the start.

Oh those poor people.
This is horrible news

At least 28 dead now.
good heavens.

Brussels explosions: Many dead in airport and metro terror attacks

People fled Brussels airport after two explosions went off
Many people have been killed or seriously injured in terrorist attacks at Brussels international airport and a city metro station, Belgium's PM says.

Two explosions hit Zaventem airport at about 07:00 GMT, and another struck Maelbeek metro station an hour later.

The government has not confirmed casualty numbers. Brussels transport officials say 15 died at Maelbeek and media say up to 13 died at the airport.

Belgium has now raised its terror threat to its highest level.

The attacks come four days after Salah Abdeslam, the main fugitive in the Paris attacks, was seized in Brussels.

Prime Minister Charles Michel called the Brussels attacks "blind, violent and cowardly", saying they were a "tragic moment in our country's history. I would like to call on everyone to show calmness and solidarity".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254

Stormee wrote:At least 28 dead now.
good heavens.

Rivers of Blood.   Anyone else get the feeling this is just the start and the end of Europe?

eddie wrote:Oh those poor people.
This is horrible news

The world's a horrible place at times.   I wish we could just all get on.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh those poor people.
This is horrible news

The world's a horrible place at times.   I wish we could just all get on.

NEVER EVER WILL.

Truth of the matter, whitiz and unwhitiz do not go together, FACT.

Stormee wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

The world's a horrible place at times.   I wish we could just all get on.

NEVER EVER WILL.

Truth of the matter, whitiz and unwhitiz do not go together, FACT.

The Major has spoken!

HoratioTarr wrote:

Stormee wrote:At least 28 dead now.
good heavens.

Rivers of Blood.   Anyone else get the feeling this is just the start and the end of Europe?

Yes.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Stormee wrote:At least 28 dead now.
good heavens.

Rivers of Blood.   Anyone else get the feeling this is just the start and the end of Europe?

I would seriously be a millionaire if I was given a pound for every-time an idiot quotes Enoch Powell, after a terrorist attack
The same was said after the Paris attacks
The same after Charlie Hebdo
The same after the Murder of Lee rigby
The same after the London bombings

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Rivers of Blood.   Anyone else get the feeling this is just the start and the end of Europe?

I would seriously be a millionaire if I was given a pound for every-time an idiot quotes Enoch Powell, after a terrorist attack
The same was said after the Paris attacks
The same after Charlie Hebdo
The same after the Murder of Lee rigby
The same after the London bombings

here we go again.   Are you going to contaminate yet another thread with your 'you're an idiot' rantings?

Is this revenge for the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the suspect who escaped after the terror attacks in Paris?

Raggamuffin wrote:Is this revenge for the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the suspect who escaped after the terror attacks in Paris?

It would seem so.

I don't think there'll be any relenting.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


I would seriously be a millionaire if I was given a pound for every-time an idiot quotes Enoch Powell, after a terrorist attack
The same was said after the Paris attacks
The same after Charlie Hebdo
The same after the Murder of Lee rigby
The same after the London bombings

here we go again.   Are you going to contaminate yet another thread with your 'you're an idiot' rantings?

How is it ranting to show how utterly absurd you are being that you think that Europe will now and only now descend after a set number of terrorist attacks.
It seems the only people ranting and being an idiot is the one who is led by fear quoting Enoch Powell

Raggamuffin wrote:Is this revenge for the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the suspect who escaped after the terror attacks in Paris?

I was just reading an opnion elsewhere on that
Can't bloody find it now

Could they have planned all this in four days, or were they just waiting for the right moment?

There will be a lull unto the next time..

Raggamuffin wrote:Could they have planned all this in four days, or were they just waiting for the right moment?

I should think it would be pretty easy to implement.  I think they were just waiting for the right moment, any excuse, to do this.  Because they are fanatics and have this twisted belief that Allah wants them to kill.

Stormee wrote:There will be a lull unto the next time..

perhaps

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

here we go again.   Are you going to contaminate yet another thread with your 'you're an idiot' rantings?

How is it ranting to show how utterly absurd you are being that you think that Europe will now and only now descend after a set number of terrorist attacks.
It seems the only people ranting and being an idiot is the one who is led by fear quoting Enoch Powell

Oh go away and have a wank or something...

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


How is it ranting to show how utterly absurd you are being that you think that Europe will now and only now descend after a set number of terrorist attacks.
It seems the only people ranting and being an idiot is the one who is led by fear quoting Enoch Powell

Oh go away and have a wank or something...

Sop not only mentally immature but also sexually immature as well

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Could they have planned all this in four days, or were they just waiting for the right moment?

I should think it would be pretty easy to implement.  I think they were just waiting for the right moment, any excuse, to do this.  Because they are fanatics and have this twisted belief that Allah wants them to kill.

Perhaps the chap was involved in the planning, and it was ready to go in the event that he was captured?

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I should think it would be pretty easy to implement.  I think they were just waiting for the right moment, any excuse, to do this.  Because they are fanatics and have this twisted belief that Allah wants them to kill.

Perhaps the chap was involved in the planning, and it was ready to go in the event that he was captured?

Could be.   Could be that they are just there, in small cells, waiting to go.   I guess it depends on the security and intelligence.   In the UK we seem to have good intelligence, as quite a few potential threats have been thwarted.

Tbh the first thing I thought was HOW on earth they managed to get through security???

Tragic news, along with the numerous bombings in Turkey lately.

However, this does not mark the beginning of the end of Europe. First of all, Europe is a big place consisting of more than the handful of nations that have been hit with attacks over the last 15 years. Even among those have been hit, only France has suffered more than one.

If this is the beginning of the end then just how long is this 'end' expected to last?

Eilzel wrote:Tragic news, along with the numerous bombings in Turkey lately.

However, this does not mark the beginning of the end of Europe. First of all, Europe is a big place consisting of more than the handful of nations that have been hit with attacks over the last 15 years. Even among  those have been hit, only France has suffered more than one.

If this is the beginning of the end then just how long is this 'end' expected to last?

I don't think Europe will ever be what it was, and change is almost inevitable.  It's the way of the world.  I don't think Europe will be the safe place it used to be to travel in...it's an insidious change and this is only the start of it.   Could take decades but I think it's coming.

34 dead now.

I think over years to come, we will see a very different Europe.

eddie wrote:I think over years to come, we will see a very different Europe.

French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, told reporters 'We have forgotten that history is fundamentally tragic.'

Who knows how many ISIS sleepers there are coming in on the tide of migrants?     In our lifetime, it seems unbelievable that there could be a third world war, that we might find ourselves fighting once again for our freedom and lives.   But history has shown us otherwise and we're not learning the lessons.   Institutionalised wishful thinking won't save the day, I fear.

I think it's becoming such an every day occurance now that we're becoming immune.

eddie wrote:I think it's becoming such an every day occurance now that we're becoming immune.

Perhaps more accepting than immune.    I have great cynicism about this open arms policy.    For years the West has sat back and allowed the most awful atrocities to take place and yet never once told an entire nation 'come to us'.   Our interfering has also brought this on.

^HT

So basically you are saying Europe will change over decades?

I could predict that. Anyone who has studied a shred of history could predict that.

Europe now is very different to Europe in 1966, 1916, 1886 and so on. Change is inevitable.

Overall safety levels are not likely to get anywhere near as bad as in other parts of the world.

Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia- these places are all dangerous too- by comparison Europe is enormously safe. Once IS is disposed of extremism will probably still exist in Europe- but not at the current levels, which tragic as they are still only account for 3 headline hitting attacks in around 15 months.

Horatio - totally agree. Our interfering has brought a lot of this on but what was the alternative in your opinion?

Eilzel wrote:^HT

So basically you are saying Europe will change over decades?

I could predict that. Anyone who has studied a shred of history could predict that.

Europe now is very different to Europe in 1966, 1916, 1886 and so on. Change is inevitable.

Overall safety levels are not likely to get anywhere near as bad as in other parts of the world.

Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia- these places are all dangerous too- by comparison Europe is enormously safe. Once IS is disposed of extremism will probably still exist in Europe- but not at the current levels, which tragic as they are still only account for 3 headline hitting attacks in around 15 months.

I hope your right.

OK, so what happens if we don't interfere at all. We don't bomb countries to protect people, and we don't let them in here either. Would that be a solution?

eddie wrote:Horatio - totally agree. Our interfering has brought a lot of this on but what was the alternative in your opinion?

One has to ask why there was interference in the first place.   You don't see anyone charging into China, with their appalling human rights record, do you?

Raggamuffin wrote:OK, so what happens if we don't interfere at all. We don't bomb countries to protect people, and we don't let them in here either. Would that be a solution?

Help them fight for their country?   Like the rest of  Europe had to when Hitler decided to rule the world and kill all the Jews and other 'undesirables'?   

But it's more complicated than that.   The main complication being Islam and the way it's been twisted and manipulated until it utterly rules people's lives.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:OK, so what happens if we don't interfere at all. We don't bomb countries to protect people, and we don't let them in here either. Would that be a solution?

Help them fight for their country?   Like the rest of  Europe had to when Hitler decided to rule the world and kill all the Jews and other 'undesirables'?   

But it's more complicated than that.   The main complication being Islam and the way it's been twisted and manipulated until it utterly rules people's lives.

The rest of Europe was fighting for their own countries, they weren't really helping anyone else, other than via treaties which they had a duty to uphold. They knew that if they didn't join in, the Germans may well over-run their countries too.

So if the problem is Islam, what's the solution? Ban it in the UK?

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Help them fight for their country?   Like the rest of  Europe had to when Hitler decided to rule the world and kill all the Jews and other 'undesirables'?   

But it's more complicated than that.   The main complication being Islam and the way it's been twisted and manipulated until it utterly rules people's lives.

The rest of Europe was fighting for their own countries, they weren't really helping anyone else, other than via treaties which they had a duty to uphold. They knew that if they didn't join in, the Germans may well over-run their countries too.

So if the problem is Islam, what's the solution? Ban it in the UK?

If I had my way, I'd wipe all destructive extremist religion off the face of the earth.   It's been the cause of so many wars.  

Muslims will always pull together.   They have  a 'brotherhood' that's unbreakable, and I really don't believe anything will breach that.    If, in some distant future, a repeat of the Ottoman Empire ever took hold, they'd all pull together.  That's not being Islamophobic... it's just a fact built on past events.

Anyway off for Eggs Benedict at our local eatery!!!  Laters.

There are two branches of Islam, Sunni and Shia, I don't see them pulling together. All the Muslims I know hate IS and say they only use the religion but are not really Muslims,

Personally I don't agree, I think they are, but their interpretation is drastically different from that of the majority and they are totally irreconcilable.

Eilzel wrote:There are two branches of Islam, Sunni and Shia, I don't see them pulling together. All the Muslims I know hate IS and say they only use the religion but are not really Muslims,

Personally I don't agree, I think they are, but their interpretation is drastically different from that of the majority and they are totally irreconcilable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

Well ISIS follows an even more hard line Wahabbist form of Islam than Saudi does.
Even then the interpretations are not that different at all Eilzel.
Its who they perceive as guilty and are legitimate targets on where they differ on terrorism.
Case in point, the Terrorist attacks in Israel, are rarely condemned by Muslim authorities, where in fact many praise these acts and glorify them, even more so through the belief of martyrdom. So you see, Israeli civilians are deemed guilty of a transgression.

So how is the interpretation any different?
The only real difference is on as I say those they judge to be guilty in Islamic Law

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Horatio - totally agree. Our interfering has brought a lot of this on but what was the alternative in your opinion?

One has to ask why there was interference in the first place.   You don't see anyone charging into China, with their appalling human rights record, do you?

That's exactly where my thinking lies.

eddie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

One has to ask why there was interference in the first place.   You don't see anyone charging into China, with their appalling human rights record, do you?

That's exactly where my thinking lies.

Well there is a simple reason as to why.

They have a nuclear Arsenal.

Eilzel wrote:There are two branches of Islam, Sunni and Shia, I don't see them pulling together. All the Muslims I know hate IS and say they only use the religion but are not really Muslims,

Personally I don't agree, I think they are, but their interpretation is drastically different from that of the majority and they are totally irreconcilable.

It it's irreconcilable then by definition is contradictory.

Raggamuffin wrote:Is this revenge for the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the suspect who escaped after the terror attacks in Paris?

Too little time, it is being said. He was arrested Friday, this was Tuesday morning. These attacks take time to plan and assemble.

Of course, his arrest may have prompted them to change the timing--probably did--but one imagines that these attacks were well thought out and prearranged.