KKK Stab Multiple Counter Protestors in Anaheim

Three people have been stabbed, at least two of them counter protestors, during a KKK rally today at Pearson Park in Anaheim, California.




Melodye Shore ‏@MelodyeShore
Confronting racism & bearing witness at the KKK rally in Anaheim, CA. @latimes


Multiple people have been arrested, including the KKK member who claimed to have stabbed a man in “self defense.”
The LA Times reports clashes between a man with a “Grand Dragon” shirt and counter-protestors.



Several witnesses say the Klansmen used the end of a confederate flag pole as a weapon against protestors, and also as the weapon used in the stabbing.
A protest is growing at Pearson park against the stabbings, and some people are angry the police didn’t do anything to prevent the attack.




https://revolution-news.com/kkk-stab-multiple-counter-protestors-in-anaheim/

now then.....

they will have to lock em up

but...Its only a few

no need to panic...

its only a couple of stabbings...no one got you know ...actually killed...

I'm pleased the victims will be ok, and i'm sure they will be delighted with the police and courts response.

Exactly, in comparison to the number of people in the USA it is only a few.  So glad you recognised tht and didn't take it out on the whole white population and brand them all the same

precicely sassy

I dont even see what its got to do with racism, just a few criminals that are no different to any other criminal...



anywhere you get a large number of folks you are bound to have to accept that some may be criminals, dont you

It happened in Orange County. No surprise. Cradle of the birth of RW Republicanism.

The merger of the KKK and the Republican Party has come about as a result of Lee Atwater's southern strategy for Republicans. http://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ In order to get necessary votes (See, Why Elephants Lie), he pandered to the south, and it's KKK, by emphasizing the 1964 Civil Rights Act...passed by Democrats.

Lord Foul wrote:precicely sassy

I dont even see what its got to do with racism, just a few criminals that are no different to any other criminal...



anywhere you get a large number of folks you are bound to have to accept that some may be criminals, dont you

You don't see what the KKK has to do with racism, huh?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:precicely sassy

I dont even see what its got to do with racism, just a few criminals that are no different to any other criminal...



anywhere you get a large number of folks you are bound to have to accept that some may be criminals, dont you

You don't see what the KKK has to do with racism, huh?

IRA...what Irish?

Muslim (cultural) grooming gangs?? eh wot?

of cours they arnt "specially targeting western girls"

of course there's no "racial intent....

Lord Foul wrote:Muslim (cultural) grooming gangs??  eh wot?

of cours they arnt "specially targeting western girls"

of course there's no "racial intent....

I never said that, I said that being Muslims didn't make them do what they did.

so, being white/christian didnt make these KKK types what they are then either?

Lord Foul wrote:so, being white/christian didnt make these KKK types what they are then either?

No, being racists made them what they are. I'm sure they were acculturated into it and there were probably people in their lives who told them it was Christian -- that doesn't make it so.

so you admit it was the culure they were rasied in then???

Lord Foul wrote:so you admit it was the culure they were rasied in then???

It depends on what you mean by culture. Most Americans wouldn't recognize the culture these people were brought up in as mainstream -- more of a subculture or an underground.

YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

I've watched this play out {re-run/replay} most of this day on ALL THE NEWS media channels and it still amazes me that with so many police officers - so many different video angles and the amount of pleading from the bystanders and verbal exchanges heard from the KKK vs the black people --- NOT ONE SOUND OF 'CEASE/DESIST/STOP --- I'M DRAWING MY TASER - YOU WILL BE TASED'

WTH ...SMH bizarre and hopefully the media tapes will be handed off to shift supervisors and they'll have a COME TO JESUS MEETING FOR RETRAINING ALL OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED!!! DAMmmmm

Lord Foul wrote:YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

WTF are you on?  Tolerate them?  Not if they break the law.

Are you going to vouch for every card-carrying UK citizen?  Of course not.  You want cross-tabs with the KKK?  Southern states.  Drunkards.  Bigoted.  Fear of their own lack of manhood.  Hate Jews.  Hate blacks.  And lately they look some'n like you...hate Muslims.

As far as their affinity with Christians:

NewsOne wrote:The president of a Virginia Ku Klux Klan group claims that the KKK is a faith-based Christian organization that does not condone violence.

"We don't hate people because of their race. We are a Christian organization," Frank Ancona, the imperial wizard of the Traditional American Knights of the KKK, told NBC 12, distancing himself from the Klan's violent history, asserting that he is seeking to "set the record straight."

But the Knights of the KKK say:

KKK wrote:"The True Invisible Empire Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan(KKK) are an Order of the Highest Class for White Christian Men of Intelligence and Character."

"This is a Christian organization, and none but Christians may join. Reverence for God and obedience to His commandments are the only true sources of wisdom and understanding. The foundations of America were laid by men who feared God and openly confessed the Lord Jesus Christ. They were moral and lived a life shaped by their obedience to the laws of God. The history of the Founding Fathers and of our Nation is the history of a racially pure family. The Klan seeks to preserve that history and family. We cannot hope to be successful if we are in violation of God's Word. Therefore, we obey it as our understanding declares it unto us."
http://www.traditionalistamer...

and your post means what ?? quill...

Lord Foul wrote:and your post means what ?? quill...

It means the first real terrorists were not Muslims. They were white and Christian, of Anglo-Saxon descent.

They are violence-prone, ignorant, trailer-park trash...and Republican, I humbly add.

and your point is??

Lord Foul wrote:and your point is??

  A drunk always repeats himself.

Come back in the morning. We'll have a meaningful discussion then. Right now you're in no shape for reasoned discussion.

Lord Foul wrote:YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

Watching you think you've done something well is like watching an intellectually disabled child try to play sports. Yes, you're happy for them when they think they accomplished something ... but you're still sad.

The alternative to tolerating the KKK in our midst is what, exactly? Rounding up everyone who ever put a sheet over their head and locking them up? (I'm sure you'd like that so long as it could be Muslim women ...)

We strive to allow people to live in freedom here until they're actually suspected of criminal activity. I know that in the UK you've decided to stoop to the level where you're just pointing the government at one another like a loaded gun, ready to blow away whoever you don't like, and that's understandable -- just another common symptom of a declining civilization stumbling toward extinction. But as an individual, you still have the opportunity to learn, and I hope you don't squander that chance.

Freedom of expression means that people can express the most vile beliefs imaginable without government interference. Only when they advocate harming others does the government have the right to step in. What's nice about this is that no idea, which might run contrary to the government's agenda or be unpopular in its time, is stifled. It gets a good public airing and debate. It makes adults out of children, really.

And oh, when I'm old and wise
Heavy words that tossed and blew me
Like autumn winds will blow right through me

- "Old and Wise" by Alan Parsons Project

Why would you be sad at people with disabilities when they play sports and where many have accomplished many milestones?
I am full of praise and admiration, not sad, as they want to be treated as normal and rightly so but you just rendered them as abnormal by being sad.
We tolerate left wing regressive like yourself who would appease the worst extremists from Islam and tolerate the left who are very antisemitic.
Its called being allowed to have your own views, no matter how derisive they are.
You teach that things are wrong and being as hateful as those who are hateful, you achieve nothing

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

Watching you think you've done something well is like watching an intellectually disabled child try to play sports. Yes, you're happy for them when they think they accomplished something ... but you're still sad.

The alternative to tolerating the KKK in our midst is what, exactly? Rounding up everyone who ever put a sheet over their head and locking them up? (I'm sure you'd like that so long as it could be Muslim women ...)

We strive to allow people to live in freedom here until they're actually suspected of criminal activity. I know that in the UK you've decided to stoop to the level where you're just pointing the government at one another like a loaded gun, ready to blow away whoever you don't like, and that's understandable -- just another common symptom of a declining civilization stumbling toward extinction. But as an individual, you still have the opportunity to learn, and I hope you don't squander that chance.

Freedom of expression means that people can express the most vile beliefs imaginable without government interference. Only when they advocate harming others does the government have the right to step in. What's nice about this is that no idea, which might run contrary to the government's agenda or be unpopular in its time, is stifled. It gets a good public airing and debate. It makes adults out of children, really.

And oh, when I'm old and wise
Heavy words that tossed and blew me
Like autumn winds will blow right through me

- "Old and Wise" by Alan Parsons Project

Did you nick that line from Veya? You're starting to sound more and more alike now.

Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic. I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

Original Quill wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:and your point is??

  A drunk always repeats himself.

Come back in the morning.  We'll have a meaningful discussion then.  Right now you're in no shape for reasoned discussion.

Quill.................

Lord Foul wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

  A drunk always repeats himself.

Come back in the morning.  We'll have a meaningful discussion then.  Right now you're in no shape for reasoned discussion.

Quill.................  

And you feel that's your recovery?

Try AA.

Original Quill wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Quill.................  

And you feel that's your recovery?

Try AA.

How about trying to grow up?

Instead of using such things to cast on people

Its immature and pathetic

Raggamuffin wrote:Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic. I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

It is what it is. The yipper dogs of the world don't have any other heels to nip at. So, really, it's not the state of the US you should be worried about, but the state of the world.

It's not much different here than there, in Europe, or the Middle East or China. A state of extreme xenophobia is settling in. We've got our KKK; you've got your UKIP; the Middle East has it's Wahhabism. Only the Asians seem to be able to keep it together.

Is this any different than the First Crusade under Pope Urban II, in 1095? I don't think so. We like to feel we are urbane, but we continue to show we are the same old ignorant peasants we were then.

Victor wrote:How about trying to grow up?

Instead of using such things to cast on people

Its immature and pathetic

And you claim indifference? Move on.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

Watching you think you've done something well is like watching an intellectually disabled child try to play sports. Yes, you're happy for them when they think they accomplished something ... but you're still sad.

The alternative to tolerating the KKK in our midst is what, exactly? Rounding up everyone who ever put a sheet over their head and locking them up? (I'm sure you'd like that so long as it could be Muslim women ...)

We strive to allow people to live in freedom here until they're actually suspected of criminal activity. I know that in the UK you've decided to stoop to the level where you're just pointing the government at one another like a loaded gun, ready to blow away whoever you don't like, and that's understandable -- just another common symptom of a declining civilization stumbling toward extinction. But as an individual, you still have the opportunity to learn, and I hope you don't squander that chance.

Freedom of expression means that people can express the most vile beliefs imaginable without government interference. Only when they advocate harming others does the government have the right to step in. What's nice about this is that no idea, which might run contrary to the government's agenda or be unpopular in its time, is stifled. It gets a good public airing and debate. It makes adults out of children, really.

And oh, when I'm old and wise
Heavy words that tossed and blew me
Like autumn winds will blow right through me

- "Old and Wise" by Alan Parsons Project

Did you nick that line from Veya? You're starting to sound more and more alike now.

Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic.  I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

So do you have anything to say about the point I made, or are you content just to pick around the fringes of my post?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic. I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

It is what it is.  The yipper dogs of the world don't have any other heels to nip at.  So, really, it's not the state of the US you should be worried about, but the state of the world.

It's not much different here than there, in Europe, or the Middle East or China.  A state of extreme xenophobia is settling in.  We've got our KKK; you've got your UKIP; the Middle East has it's Wahhabism.  Only the Asians seem to be able to keep it together.

Is this any different than the First Crusade under Pope Urban II, in 1095?  I don't think so.  We like to feel we are urbane, but we continue to show we are the same old ignorant peasants we were then.

Yes there is plenty of difference, your views have no comparison to the first crusade

You certainly clearly do not know why the First Crusade was called and over what help was requested

Also the Asians keeping it together?

Burma?

I do not think so

Muslims persecuted

China?

Countless persecuted again plenty of Muslims

North Korea?

Concentration camps

Sorry did you say Asians seem to be able to keep it together?

Sure they can by violence

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic. I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

It is what it is.  The yipper dogs of the world don't have any other heels to nip at.  So, really, it's not the state of the US you should be worried about, but the state of the world.

It's not much different here than there, in Europe, or the Middle East or China.  A state of extreme xenophobia is settling in.  We've got our KKK; you've got your UKIP; the Middle East has it's Wahhabism.  Only the Asians seem to be able to keep it together.

Is this any different than the First Crusade under Pope Urban II, in 1095?  I don't think so.  We like to feel we are urbane, but we continue to show we are the same old ignorant peasants we were then.

UKIP is nothing like the KKK. The KKK don't have an entertaining leader for one thing.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It is what it is.  The yipper dogs of the world don't have any other heels to nip at.  So, really, it's not the state of the US you should be worried about, but the state of the world.

It's not much different here than there, in Europe, or the Middle East or China.  A state of extreme xenophobia is settling in.  We've got our KKK; you've got your UKIP; the Middle East has it's Wahhabism.  Only the Asians seem to be able to keep it together.

Is this any different than the First Crusade under Pope Urban II, in 1095?  I don't think so.  We like to feel we are urbane, but we continue to show we are the same old ignorant peasants we were then.

Yes there is plenty of difference, your views have no comparison to the first crusade

You certainly clearly do not know why the First Crusade was called and over what help was requested

I don't know, didge. Stripped of all the glitter and noise, it's the same-old-same-old. Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yes there is plenty of difference, your views have no comparison to the first crusade

You certainly clearly do not know why the First Crusade was called and over what help was requested

I don't know, didge.  Stripped of all the glitter and noise, it's the same-old-same-old.  Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees.

Far removed

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It is what it is.  The yipper dogs of the world don't have any other heels to nip at.  So, really, it's not the state of the US you should be worried about, but the state of the world.

It's not much different here than there, in Europe, or the Middle East or China.  A state of extreme xenophobia is settling in.  We've got our KKK; you've got your UKIP; the Middle East has it's Wahhabism.  Only the Asians seem to be able to keep it together.

Is this any different than the First Crusade under Pope Urban II, in 1095?  I don't think so.  We like to feel we are urbane, but we continue to show we are the same old ignorant peasants we were then.

UKIP is nothing like the KKK. The KKK don't have an entertaining leader for one thing.

Pfft... Luck of the draw. The KKK once had David Duke, and counted Supreme Court justices among its members. A charismatic leader is the product of chance, not legitimacy.

The fact is that the KKK is just an older form of the same sentiments as UKIP: we are superior, keep 'em out!

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

UKIP is nothing like the KKK. The KKK don't have an entertaining leader for one thing.

Pfft...  Luck of the draw.  The KKK once had David Duke, and counted Supreme Court justices among its members.  A charismatic leader is the product of chance, not legitimacy.

The fact is that the KKK is just an older form of the same sentiments as UKIP: we are superior, keep 'em out!

I don't recall UKIP stringing any black people up on trees. If you do, perhaps you could provide a link. Don't try to downplay what some of your fellow citizens did just to have a pop at the UK.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Pfft...  Luck of the draw.  The KKK once had David Duke, and counted Supreme Court justices among its members.  A charismatic leader is the product of chance, not legitimacy.

The fact is that the KKK is just an older form of the same sentiments as UKIP: we are superior, keep 'em out!

I don't recall UKIP stringing any black people up on trees. If you do, perhaps you could provide a link. Don't try to downplay what some of your fellow citizens did just to have a pop at the UK.

Give it time.  I think the debate over there has not been allowed to percolate enough.  The status argument is just settling in.  A unique 'the-negroes-are-taking-our-women' (Animal House) paranoia is just developing; look at all the fuss over Muslim gangs raping our pretty, blond, white girls.  UKIP is behind the KKK, but it's the same sentiment, on a different part of the road.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't recall UKIP stringing any black people up on trees. If you do, perhaps you could provide a link. Don't try to downplay what some of your fellow citizens did just to have a pop at the UK.

Give it time.  I think the debate over there has not been allowed to percolate enough.  The status argument is just settling in.  A unique 'the-negroes-are-taking-our-women' (Animal House) paranoia is just developing; look at all the fuss over Muslim gangs raping our pretty, blond, white girls.  UKIP is behind the KKK, but it's the same sentiment.

I don't think UKIP have anything against black people.

The fuss about the Muslim gangs was largely down to the blind eye which was allegedly turned by the authorities.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think UKIP have anything against black people.

I don't think so, either. Not yet, anyway.

The racial preoccupation with UKIP presently is Muslims.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think UKIP have anything against black people.

I don't think so, either.  Not yet, anyway.

The racial preoccupation with UKIP presently is Muslims.

Muslims aren't actually a race. UKIP are concerned about too much immigration in general, like a lot of people.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Give it time.  I think the debate over there has not been allowed to percolate enough.  The status argument is just settling in.  A unique 'the-negroes-are-taking-our-women' (Animal House) paranoia is just developing; look at all the fuss over Muslim gangs raping our pretty, blond, white girls.  UKIP is behind the KKK, but it's the same sentiment.

I don't think UKIP have anything against black people.

The fuss about the Muslim gangs was largely down to the blind eye which was allegedly turned by the authorities.  

They don't.  But it's the only thing opponents can sling at them because so many people actually agree with their policies.   It must have shit up the other parties to a high degree that they had to scream 'Racist' as soon as Nigel Farage raised his head.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't recall UKIP stringing any black people up on trees. If you do, perhaps you could provide a link. Don't try to downplay what some of your fellow citizens did just to have a pop at the UK.

Give it time.  I think the debate over there has not been allowed to percolate enough.  The status argument is just settling in.  A unique 'the-negroes-are-taking-our-women' (Animal House) paranoia is just developing; look at all the fuss over Muslim gangs raping our pretty, blond, white girls.  UKIP is behind the KKK, but it's the same sentiment, on a different part of the road.

The fuss was about how the grooming and raping was brushed under the carpet and hidden by middle class White do-gooders.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't think so, either.  Not yet, anyway.

The racial preoccupation with UKIP presently is Muslims.

Muslims aren't actually a race. UKIP are concerned about too much immigration in general, like a lot of people.

Yes, yes...I know this game.  Call it a race when it fits your argument; otherwise not.  

Recently this exchange was had with veya:

eddie wrote:But from the amount of abuse you throw at the British (which includes the Irish and Scottish btw) you are as racist as those you call "racist".

Raggamuffin wrote:You need to get with the programme and stay up to speed wolfman. I know that's difficult for an Aussie, but just try ....

Raggamuffin wrote:Veya uses the terms "British" and "English" interchangeably. When it suits him, the Scots and the Welsh are not British. He means the English, and he thinks they're a race. He is very racist against the English and would like to see them killed for being English, so all his ranting about Nazis doesn't really cut any ice.

nicko wrote:Veya is just jealous he's not English, he's just a poor Aussie who is pissed off he wasn't born In England and has to Slum" it in a third world country.

Other examples abound.  But, as you can see posters leave themselves an outlet when it comes to race.  It's racism when your argument needs a 'shock' adjective; otherwise it not racism, and you leave yourself this out ^^.

The fact is that the Muslims are different enough for the appropriate purposes.  They are the proverbial 'other' that amorphously fits into any prejudicial argument one wants.  UKIP is a running prejudicial argument...with enough plausible deniability trailing out the back end.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Muslims aren't actually a race. UKIP are concerned about too much immigration in general, like a lot of people.

Yes, yes...I know this game.  Call it a race when it fits your argument; otherwise not.  

Recently this exchange was had with veya:

eddie wrote:But from the amount of abuse you throw at the British (which includes the Irish and Scottish btw) you are as racist as those you call "racist".

Raggamuffin wrote:You need to get with the programme and stay up to speed wolfman. I know that's difficult for an Aussie, but just try ....

Raggamuffin wrote:Veya uses the terms "British" and "English" interchangeably. When it suits him, the Scots and the Welsh are not British. He means the English, and he thinks they're a race. He is very racist against the English and would like to see them killed for being English, so all his ranting about Nazis doesn't really cut any ice.

nicko wrote:Veya is just jealous he's not English, he's just a poor Aussie who is pissed off he wasn't born In England and has to Slum" it in a third world country.

Other examples abound.  But, as you can see posters leave themselves an outlet when it comes to race.  It's racism when your argument needs a 'shock' adjective; otherwise it not racism, and you leave yourself this out ^^.

The fact is that the Muslims are different enough for the appropriate purposes.  They are the proverbial 'other' that amorphously fits into any prejudicial argument one wants.  UKIP is a running prejudicial argument...with enough plausible deniability trailing out the back end.

I don't call Muslims a race. Interestingly though, it seems to suit some people to call the English a race at times in order to insult them, and at other times they claim they're not being racist because the English aren't a race.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't call Muslims a race. Interestingly though, it seems to suit some people to call the English a race at times in order to insult them, and at other times they claim they're not being racist because the English aren't a race.

Yes, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. The example aside, it's the very thing that UKIP does.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:YEAH....

gotcha...................


but YOU (mainstream) TOLERATE them in your midst

continuing their subculture and allowing it to live

the same as many (even if not most) Muslim countries continue to "allow" the subculture of objectifying and denigrating women to mere sex toys and chattels and indeed in some Muslim countries it is the "norm"..despite what the various govenments say..

Watching you think you've done something well is like watching an intellectually disabled child try to play sports. Yes, you're happy for them when they think they accomplished something ... but you're still sad.

The alternative to tolerating the KKK in our midst is what, exactly? Rounding up everyone who ever put a sheet over their head and locking them up? (I'm sure you'd like that so long as it could be Muslim women ...)

We strive to allow people to live in freedom here until they're actually suspected of criminal activity. I know that in the UK you've decided to stoop to the level where you're just pointing the government at one another like a loaded gun, ready to blow away whoever you don't like, and that's understandable -- just another common symptom of a declining civilization stumbling toward extinction. But as an individual, you still have the opportunity to learn, and I hope you don't squander that chance.

Freedom of expression means that people can express the most vile beliefs imaginable without government interference. Only when they advocate harming others does the government have the right to step in. What's nice about this is that no idea, which might run contrary to the government's agenda or be unpopular in its time, is stifled. It gets a good public airing and debate. It makes adults out of children, really.

And oh, when I'm old and wise
Heavy words that tossed and blew me
Like autumn winds will blow right through me

- "Old and Wise" by Alan Parsons Project

Did you nick that line from Veya? You're starting to sound more and more alike now.

Have you seen the state of the US? Talking about any other country being in decline is kind of ironic.  I don't think it's a good idea for a yank to try to claim the moral high ground by using the analogy of loaded guns when referring to the UK - do you?

So do you have anything to say about the point I made, or are you content just to pick around the fringes of my post?

Ben is much better with words than me, there is not even a single swear word in his post 

But I fully agree with what he said obviously.