Asian sex abusers to be stripped of UK citizenship and deported

Didge wrote:Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are they real American citizens though?

Of course they are! They can vote, live here and receive our public services -- what would make them not a real citizen?

Well they still want to be British don't they? They're not committed to being fully American.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:


1) Its fair treatment, they forfeited any right to their citizenship by abusing young children

2) Its very relevant because you are talking bullshit as usual

3) Well it seems that has not sunk in yet as you are defending them having the right to remain citizens

4) Again clueless thick yank as per usual. We cannot send away those born here but those foreign born we can, thus we can at least make the problem lesser for some of the victims, or has this not sunk into that regressive brain of yours yet?

4) Idiotic reply again, we cannot remove the citizenship of people born here, but we can of terrorists and now sex offenders
Again this is about at least helping the problem for some victims, if I had my way, all would be removed, so why are you trying to deny that wanting to defend sex offenders?
You are placing the needs of sex offenders over that of the victim, making you low life scum

6) You left wing regressive are so abhor ant, its no wonder more people are turning to the right and its idiots like you that piss off so many people more people turn to the far right



7) A country has a right where people have come to this country to remove their right to remain here. If you disagree, you think then a country should then except anyone including a war criminal
So which is it dumbo?

1) How can you say that treating your citizens differently when they commit the same crime is fair treatment? You're either a citizen, entitled to the rights and protections of every other citizen, or you're not.

2) Just because other countries do it doesn't somehow make it right. Shall we say that because China imprisons political dissidents, Cameron or Obama should get to do the same?

3) Either take away citizenship from all sex-abuser citizens, or from none of them, and you'll be treating all your legal citizens the same. Until then, you won't be -- by your own admission.

4) You can build a prison on an isolated island and sentence them to a life term to be served there, and put all the sex abusers there. It would be effective deportation and have the same positive effect for the victims you described -- even more so than, say, kicking a French-born British citizen back over the Channel.

5) Looks like you skipped number 5, chief ...

6) I'm rubber, you're glue. Bounces off me, sticks to you.

7) You can remove the right of someone who isn't a citizen to live in the UK, sure. But when they're a citizen, that's supposed to mean they have more rights than that. I still think the only crime that should result in loss of citizenship is treason. For all other crimes, a fair nation must treat all people with the status of "citizen" the same.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Maybe Didge would like to explain why he thinks the UK should play fast and loose with the important concept of citizenship.

Didge wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Maybe Didge would like to explain why he thinks the UK should play fast and loose with the important concept of citizenship.

So two days on the trot you avoid answering countless points

Try again scum

Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:


So two days on the trot you avoid answering countless points

Try again scum

Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Please stop calling me "scum," "dumbo," etc. I'm trying to have a debate, not a flame war.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they still want to be British don't they? They're not committed to being fully American.

Nope, they went through the naturalization process just like every other citizen who was born in a foreign country. We don't have degrees of citizenship here. If you go through the naturalization process, you're American, it doesn't matter if you have citizenship elsewhere as well.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they still want to be British don't they? They're not committed to being fully American.

Nope, they went through the naturalization process just like every other citizen who was born in a foreign country. We don't have degrees of citizenship here. If you go through the naturalization process, you're American, it doesn't matter if you have citizenship elsewhere as well.

I see this differently to you. It seems a bit awful to be talking about those particular people in this context because of course they haven't done anything wrong. However, if someone who did become an American citizen in that way, I think they have a kind of unspoken duty to not abuse that, and if they do break the law in that manner, the US would be entitled to say - well we let you in here, you abused that, and now we're taking away your citizenship - go back to the UK.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I see this differently to you. It seems a bit awful to be talking about those particular people in this context because of course they haven't done anything wrong. However, if someone who did become an American citizen in that way, I think they have a kind of unspoken duty to not abuse that, and if they do break the law in that manner, the US would be entitled to say - well we let you in here, you abused that, and now we're taking away your citizenship - go back to the UK.

I'd hope that we'd be kinder to the world than that. I don't think the UK would want people like that back, would you?

Didge keeps talking about victims, but releasing a pedo back to their home country would assuredly be less safe for the children there when they got home, right?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I see this differently to you. It seems a bit awful to be talking about those particular people in this context because of course they haven't done anything wrong. However, if someone who did become an American citizen in that way, I think they have a kind of unspoken duty to not abuse that, and if they do break the law in that manner, the US would be entitled to say - well we let you in here, you abused that, and now we're taking away your citizenship - go back to the UK.

I'd hope that we'd be kinder to the world than that. I don't think the UK would want people like that back, would you?

Didge keeps talking about victims, but releasing a pedo back to their home country would assuredly be less safe for the children there when they got home, right?

Didge wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:


So two days on the trot you avoid answering countless points

Try again scum

Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Please stop calling me "scum," "dumbo," etc. I'm trying to have a debate, not a flame war.

Anyone that defends the right of nonces to stay here is scum

That makes you scum

Answer the questions scum

Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:


Anyone that defends the right of nonces to stay here is scum

That makes you scum

Answer the questions scum

Maybe Ben would like to explain to the forum why he thinks the UK should keep foreign sex offenders in the UK. To then where in many of these cases they are Pakistani Muslims, back into the community where already there has been a problem of covering up these crimes. To then making many Muslim girls vulnerable to these sex offenders. Maybe he would like to guarantee the Muslim/Asian community that none of the girls will be abused on their release? maybe he can explain to the victims why he thinks they should have the right to remain in the UK and why they the victims mean lesser to him?

Oh, pipe down