A local resident of Calais talking about how things really are there

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKAQX74yRyc&app=desktop


Why are the politicians, police and others in authority allowing this to carry on!?


And she says there are 18,000 of them there now!!!


Why are the media lying and saying 3000 are there...!?

(which is already 3000 too many!!!)

Syl wrote:Just to add I do realise that peoples views are different depending on where they live and what they experience....which is a lot more reliable than what they read or hear third hand.

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:Just to add I do realise that peoples views are different depending on where they live and what they experience....which is a lot more reliable than what they read or hear third hand.

Oh I do agree very much with that Syl....

as our colonial cousins over the pond would say ....your mileage may vary.

See this is wher people mistake my stance

if folks come here, live in peace and goodwill, join in and DONT expect any "special" treatment then I'm quite happy to accomodate...I really really dont care if you are black white yellow or green with yellow spots (though if you ARE green with yellow spots, i'd advise you to consult the dr ) BUT whatever...YOU DONT ...complain to anyone cos I have a pot bellied pig as a pet...nor do you consider my pets "lunch" nor do you consider my young granddaughter "fair game"  if you do i WILL cut your dick off.....

AND if you are NOT born here AND you break our laws (i mean serious braches...robbery  and up) then, regardless of YOUR personal risk....back to your country of origin you go...
If you carry out a race hate or religiously inspired crime...then either home you go OR locked up for life you will be ...(as yoda would say).

and the "legal test" for "racially agravated crime" would be increased....

If I WERE to "remove the bits" of a (whatever race/religion) for showing a wrongful interest in my grand daughter...thats NOT a "racial" crime
its cos he's a dirty b'stard...........I would do it regardless of race/ religion or shoe size........

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.

Syl wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

Syl wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

When we travel to Muslim countries like the Gulf States and other regions of the Middle East, we have adhere to their rules.  Not just their laws but their social shibboleths.    So far as I'm concerned this is fine, and I would expect to behave as they require and not transgress what they consider to be socially unacceptable.   So what is wrong with respecting our laws and culture?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

When we travel to Muslim countries like the Gulf States and other regions of the Middle East, we have adhere to their rules.  Not just their laws but their social shibboleths.    So far as I'm concerned this is fine, and I would expect to behave as they require and not transgress what they consider to be socially unacceptable.   So what is wrong with respecting our laws and culture?

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

where did I suggest differently in that post...go on...highlight it???

elsewise oohhh...I'm sooo upset you feel offended on behalf of those who DONT wnat to be here and live within the boundaries" of our culture"  

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

I watched a few minutes of it, but I wasn't really commenting on what she said. I just think way too many Europeans and Americans try to force integration on immigrant communities, and I wonder if they realize how unfair it is to expect a grown adult to conform to a new culture simply because they now live among it.

It's really a very conformist and authoritarian drive, trying to homogenize society -- I believe some call it "gray men in gray boxes."

Lord Foul wrote:or do you consider it right that someone should "object to me having a pot bellied pig as a pet, consider my other pets "lunch" and my young grand daughter "fair game" simply becasue thats what "their" interpretaion of "their " culture allows???

BECAUSE THIS TIME THAT IS WHAT YOUR REPLY TO MY POINTS IS SAYING....albeit you "slip in" the disclaimer "subject to law".....



come here ...you live here according to OUR laws...but of course heres the rub from the lefty.....but you can keep your "culture"   I have to then ask...EVEN when that culture contravenes or condones contravention of our laws...??


what then...

do we change our law to accomodate them...????????????????????????

Laws, ARE part of culure...inextricably so.......

Listen you obtuse dimwit.....

I dont care if they want to stick their ass in the air 5 times a day
i dont care if they want to wear PJ's all day
I dont care if they want to wear tinfoil hats
I dont care if they want to sit on a barbed wire fence and pray to the great green bog brush
I dont even care if they eat their own dead (and that...fyi is hyperbole...I'm not saying "they" (whoever) do...)
or whatever

BUT


DONT interfere in any way with MY life

AT ALL...

or I WILL...be pissed about it.....

they can HAVE their culture.....untill it bumps up against mine.....

at THAT point....tolerance stops.....

Syl wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's not really what the woman in the video is saying though Ben....have you watched it?
I know it's just one viewpoint, but it's borne from her own experience and obviously the audience were in agreement with a lot of what she said.

I watched a few minutes of it, but I wasn't really commenting on what she said. I just think way too many Europeans and Americans try to force integration on immigrant communities, and I wonder if they realize how unfair it is to expect a grown adult to conform to a new culture simply because they now live among it.

It's really a very conformist and authoritarian drive, trying to homogenize society -- I believe some call it "gray men in gray boxes."

I think it was the lack of respect and the law breaking that was upsetting her more than the clash of cultures.
Also the way she said the police didn't offer any help to the local  people who were being victimised.

Her son had been attacked, homes were being ransacked, people were living in fear of marauding gangs of migrants  in her community, if all that did happen it's hardly suprising that the local people want them out... who wouldn't?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

I think it was the lack of respect and the law breaking that was upsetting her more than the clash of cultures.
Also the way she said the police didn't offer any help to the local  people who were being victimised.

Her son had been attacked, homes were being ransacked, people were living in fear of marauding gangs of migrants  in her community, if all that did happen it's hardly suprising that the local people want them out... who wouldn't?

Lock up the gangs and the criminals and leave the rest of them alone. Don't lump criminals and decent folk together because they happen share an ethnic or cultural background.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

When we travel to Muslim countries like the Gulf States and other regions of the Middle East, we have adhere to their rules.  Not just their laws but their social shibboleths.    So far as I'm concerned this is fine, and I would expect to behave as they require and not transgress what they consider to be socially unacceptable.   So what is wrong with respecting our laws and culture?

Respecting another country's laws and culture is not the same as moving to that country and being expected to start emulating the natives.

Ben_Reilly wrote:This emphasis on integration sickens me; basically it's saying, "We like the country the way it is right now or before you got here, so you have to be like us." No, wrong, nobody has to be like you or your imagination of what your culture is. They just need to obey your laws.

By the way, if you were to show the French of 100 or 200 years ago the French of today, there would be a lot of them who'd be disgusted and say their people have gone downhill. Same in every country in the world.