United Taxi Demo Could Be The Biggest Taxi Demo Ever Seen In London...

Carpe Diem : In the Wake Of The EU Taxi Alliance Demo, Tomorrow... It's Our Turn....and this time, we are UNITED.



Many drivers complain that every time we demo, the media say it's about Uber

Well, lets get one thing straight
UBER are not the elephant in the room!
UBER are at the centre of our demise.

If we are scared to mention Uber, then we've already lost.

This demo is directed towards Downing Street, to highlight the fact that the government's no1 and no2 are heavily involved in supporting this company, at our expense.

TfL, on orders from this government have turned a blind eye to existing regulations in order to facilitate the expansion of UBER. You don't have to be a genius to work out their agenda.

We are not frightened of competition and this demo is not about fair competition

It's about unfair competition.

Watch video read more: http://taxileaks.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/uber-is-no-better-than-old-fashioned.html?showComment=1455094288359

Reports say there were 5,000 drivers but inside reports and our own "register" tells us there wer closer to 10,000 and they came from Liverpool, lots from Paris and also some Belgian taxi drivers.

George Galloway made a great speech if anyone can find it?

It didn't get a lot of media attention though here in the UK.
Al Jazeera and Russian and Australian news reported on it though.

Corruption at the helm.

My OH was a hackney cab driver for almost 40 years....he was glad to sell up and get out 3 years ago.

Syl wrote:My OH was a hackney cab driver for almost 40  years....he was glad to sell up and get out 3 years ago.

It's heartbreaking Syl
My other half doesnt know what to so.

It's like the government have just turned a blind eye to all that's going on and is just robbing the taxi drivers of a living, not just here, all over the world.

WHY IS IT BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?

They are flooding London with so many uber cars and the streets have become one big giant car park.

I think the iconic black taxi has seen its day and like most historical things in our great country, will become a thing of the past.

This world is so fucking corrupt

Isn't it just market forces? Competition isn't a new thing, and it's up to people to vote with their feet. If they like this Uber system they'll use it.

If I lived in London I'd use the black cabs because I find it more useful to be able to just hail one in the street, largely because I don't have a fancy phone with all these "apps". Obviously, I'm in a minority though.

That's the trouble with progress - it means that some people find their businesses being affected, and they need to find a way to appeal to customers, or just accept that something new has become more popular.

This is the bit which I have difficulty with:

TfL, on orders from this government have turned a blind eye to existing regulations in order to facilitate the expansion of UBER.

I keep seeing this claim, but nobody ever really spells out what these regulations are, and how a blind eye is being turned to them. Is the law actually being broken here or not?

Uber taxis are useless for disabled people, it would be a disaster for the disabled in London if black cabs went.

sassy wrote:Uber taxis are useless for disabled people, it would be a disaster for the disabled in London if black cabs went.

How many disabled people use black cabs though? Are they likely to be hailing a cab in the street? Do they have their own cars which they use instead? If people don't use black cabs, they will disappear. I'm just not sure that the black-cab drivers are blaming the right people.

A lot of them use black cabs, especially those that work in London because parking their cars (if they have cars to use) is so difficult.  

Uber make so much money because they are not paying the correct taxes, because they are a multi-national pulling the same tricks as Google and Amazon etc.

sassy wrote:A lot of them use black cabs, especially those that work in London because parking their cars (if they have cars to use) is so difficult.  

Uber make so much money because they are not paying the correct taxes, because they are a multi-national pulling the same tricks as Google and Amazon etc.

It's not the amount of money they're making which is the issue though, it's the actual use of Uber taxis. The customers aren't interested in how much tax they're paying, they're interested in the ease of use.

It is the amount of money they are making that is the issue, because if they were paying the correct taxes, they wouldn't be making enough money to flood the market.

sassy wrote:It is the amount of money they are making that is the issue, because if they were paying the correct taxes, they wouldn't be making enough money to flood the market.

I think they would. Aren't the drivers sort of self employed anyway?

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Uber taxis are useless for disabled people, it would be a disaster for the disabled in London if black cabs went.

How many disabled people use black cabs though? Are they likely to be hailing a cab in the street? Do they have their own cars which they use instead? If people don't use black cabs, they will disappear. I'm just not sure that the black-cab drivers are blaming the right people.

How many use them??
Erm loads and loads and loads rags

Tbh I have gone through all this with you befroe and given you all the facts

Anyway, it made the front page news in Malaysia! But not here......how odd.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

How many disabled people use black cabs though? Are they likely to be hailing a cab in the street? Do they have their own cars which they use instead? If people don't use black cabs, they will disappear. I'm just not sure that the black-cab drivers are blaming the right people.

How many use them??
Erm loads and loads and loads rags

Tbh I have gone through all this with you befroe and given you all the facts

Anyway, it made the front page news in Malaysia! But not here......how odd.

I can't remember the facts though. I remember a lot of stuff about how unfair it was, but not anything about how Uber are actually breaking the law. If they're not breaking the law, it merely comes down to competition, and that's something a lot of people have to deal with - they either move with the times, or they market themselves so that customers believe it's best to stick to the old methods.

It's utterly amazing how so much stuff doesn't get reported by our media.  Good job we have the internet!

sassy wrote:A lot of them use black cabs, especially those that work in London because parking their cars (if they have cars to use) is so difficult.  

Uber make so much money because they are not paying the correct taxes, because they are a multi-national pulling the same tricks as Google and Amazon etc.

They're not regulated and they're not CRB checked - and that's just the tip,of the iceberg!

Uber is in bed with Cameron and Boris Johnson - nepotism is rife

In any case, as we keep saŷing: it's TFL we are fighting as they're the ones who haven't set the regulations

WHY ONLY FOR UBER??? Other PH companies have to have set regulations!!

WHY ONLY UBER??
WHY HAVE THEY PAID NO TAX???

sassy wrote:It's utterly amazing how so much stuff doesn't get reported by our media.  Good job we have the internet!

Yep.
The media is a fucking joke and why I rarely believe anything I read or hear on the news

Basically Rags, the company's policy is to flood the market in each city they go into, destroy the opposition so they then have a monoply, and then their prices go up even more.

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:It's utterly amazing how so much stuff doesn't get reported by our media.  Good job we have the internet!

Yep.
The media is a fucking joke and why I rarely believe anything I read or hear on the news

Me too!

I love the London style Black Cab which originated in Coventry using a Austin/Morris/BMC diesel engine.

IMHO when we visit London we flit from place to place in them, drivers are white, polite and knowledgeable of the City.
You can usually hail on within a minute, brilliant service
Their cabs are clean and do not smell of bleeding curry like the sh** ones of Coventry where every unknowledgeable Tom, Dick and Abdul of the city seem to be driving them.
I wonder if some even have a GENUINE British driving licence.
I have not used one for ages.

You are a disgusting racist little man, you really are.

sassy wrote:Basically Rags, the company's policy is to flood the market in each city they go into, destroy the opposition so they then have a monoply, and then their prices go up even more.

Yes, but they can only do that if people are using their services. They're not forcing anyone to use Uber. If they're not breaking any laws, the only way to fight back is for the black-cab drivers to market themselves better so that more people will choose them rather than Uber.

Oh for goodness sake, of course people are going to use them if they flood the market and underprice and don't pay the right amount of taxes.  It not up to the black cab drivers, it's up to the authorities to make them pay the right amount of tax and not allow them to flood the market, which they could do very easily by regulations.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Basically Rags, the company's policy is to flood the market in each city they go into, destroy the opposition so they then have a monoply, and then their prices go up even more.

Yes, but they can only do that if people are using their services. They're not forcing anyone to use Uber. If they're not breaking any laws, the only way to fight back is for the black-cab drivers to market themselves better so that more people will choose them rather than Uber.

It's about TFL not regulating them the same way they demand everyone else be regulated!!!

So we are asking WHY???

People have mentioned disabled people, so there's a possible marketing approach. There might not be enough disabled people using black cabs to make a difference, but what about their relatives? They wouldn't want black cabs to disappear either would they? Encourage them to use them or lose them.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, but they can only do that if people are using their services. They're not forcing anyone to use Uber. If they're not breaking any laws, the only way to fight back is for the black-cab drivers to market themselves better so that more people will choose them rather than Uber.

It's about TFL not regulating them the same way they demand everyone else be regulated!!!

So we are asking WHY???

Too vague! Say what regulations you're talking about, and how that affects how many people are using Uber as opposed to black cabs and/or other taxi firms.

sassy wrote:Oh for goodness sake, of course people are going to use them if they flood the market and underprice and don't pay the right amount of taxes.  It not up to the black cab drivers, it's up to the authorities to make them pay the right amount of tax and not allow them to flood the market, which they could do very easily by regulations.

Well there you are - the public has spoken - they are using Uber because they like using Uber.

I'm going to have to look at Uber works again. I seem to recall that anyone can be a Uber driver. I can't remember if they get paid a fixed rate or what. However, if drivers are happy with the pay they get, it won't make a difference how much tax Uber pays.

Yes people are using them, yes people like them.  And then, because they can't see though what is happening and are stupid little sheep as normal, when the black cabs and mini-firms have gone, and uber have a monopoly, up with go the prices, down will go the service, and they won't like them anymore and uber will be laughing all the way to the bank about how stupid people are.

sassy wrote:Yes people are using them, yes people like them.  And then, because they can't see though what is happening and are stupid little sheep as normal, when the black cabs and mini-firms have gone, and uber have a monopoly, up with go the prices, down will go the service, and they won't like them anymore.

Ah, the cycle of business life.

No, it's called unfair competition that is not good in the long term for the public, and should be regulated and not allowed to run riot, especially in London where we have so many tourists, who will not be in the least impressed when we get to the point prices are up and service down.  You talk as if business is a thing unto itself.  It isn't.

sassy wrote:Yes people are using them, yes people like them.  And then, because they can't see though what is happening and are stupid little sheep as normal, when the black cabs and mini-firms have gone, and uber have a monopoly, up with go the prices, down will go the service, and they won't like them anymore and uber will be laughing all the way to the bank about how stupid people are.

Sassy, that's if they don't get sexually assaulted or raped or robbed

Google "uber assault"

TFL set the black taxi fares and lots of drivers have consistently complained they're too high
Anyway, you get what you pay for.

sassy wrote:No, it's called unfair competition that is not good in the long term for the public, and should be regulated and not allowed to run riot, especially in London where we have so many tourists, who will not be in the least impressed when we get to the point prices are up and service down.  You talk as if business is a thing unto itself.  It isn't.

How is it unfair?

It reminds me of the unfair competition issue re monopolies like British Gas. They broke it up to introduce competition. I'm not convinced it brought prices down much though.

Go back and read the posts above, it explains in minute detail how it is unfair.

sassy wrote:Go back and read the posts above, it explains in minute detail how it is unfair.

No it doesn't.

Look, I like black cabs, and I've said before that it's a lovely sight when you see one with the for-hire sign on. On the other hand, I remember lots of times when one would go sailing past because they were taken, and I remember how frustrating that was.

People don't want to wait, they want to sit in the pub and get a cab via their phone. They don't have to ring anyone, they can track where the cab is, and they don't have to stand in the street in the rain trying to find a black cab which is for hire.

Yes it does, and I'm not going over it again if you can't be bothered to understand what has been said.

Here's an interesting article. The point is - what do Uber call themselves? If they're not a taxi service, they're not going to be regulated as one.

http://rachelbotsman.com/work/why-the-law-wont-stop-uber/

sassy wrote:Yes it does, and I'm not going over it again if you can't be bothered to understand what has been said.

Fine by me. You're not saying anything very useful anyway.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Go back and read the posts above, it explains in minute detail how it is unfair.

No it doesn't.

Look, I like black cabs, and I've said before that it's a lovely sight when you see one with the for-hire sign on. On the other hand, I remember lots of times when one would go sailing past because they were taken, and I remember how frustrating that was.

People don't want to wait, they want to sit in the pub and get a cab via their phone. They don't have to ring anyone, they can track where the cab is, and they don't have to stand in the street in the rain trying to find a black cab which is for hire.

Rags there are apps for black cabs

Youre missing the point like you did the last time this was discussed, then I explained stuff and have links etc and then you said you understood it all.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No it doesn't.

Look, I like black cabs, and I've said before that it's a lovely sight when you see one with the for-hire sign on. On the other hand, I remember lots of times when one would go sailing past because they were taken, and I remember how frustrating that was.

People don't want to wait, they want to sit in the pub and get a cab via their phone. They don't have to ring anyone, they can track where the cab is, and they don't have to stand in the street in the rain trying to find a black cab which is for hire.

Rags there are apps for black cabs

Youre missing the point like you did the last time this was discussed, then I explained stuff and have links etc and then you said you understood it all.

Nobody has said what the point is though! I've seen vague posts about unfair competition, regulatory issues, etc, but nobody can come up with a proper legal reason why Uber should be curtailed.

Heard the saying 'can't see the wood for the trees' Rags?

Well, you can't see a whole damn forest because you are too busy looking at a leaf.

sassy wrote:Heard the saying 'can't see the wood for the trees' Rags?

Well, you can't see a whole damn forest because you are too busy looking at a leaf.

In other words, you and eddie are talking about a moral issue - ie, the moral issue of allowing some people to take away the livings of others. That's all very well, but it happens all the time with "progress".

No Rags, I talking about what the LONG TERM repercussions of this will be for the people that need a taxi service.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Heard the saying 'can't see the wood for the trees' Rags?

Well, you can't see a whole damn forest because you are too busy looking at a leaf.

In other words, you and eddie are talking about a moral issue - ie, the moral issue of allowing some people to take away the livings of others. That's all very well, but it happens all the time with "progress".

Not about moral issues
Here rags:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/11/why-london-taxi-drivers-protesting-uber-tfl

And the donations page for the judicial review which answers questions

https://2cp97g.bn1302.livefilestore.com/y3moP5sZc0N1RDFuJ3bUtX0dC7WL0x6fQP9cMSfUGDpfbLESUy_0h-BCQC8wM_7_a_q4GLFFBKLLM_LU_iya2kG4zsweC99cGZN0-GCCN33Aw4O_QDRp5O4vP8DV3OGA4rvHjr8okRzbjnrmj1AbUWThkuUvbrUI8rZUHeJGHAm-tM/ActionforCabbies%20FAQ.pdf?psid=1

sassy wrote:No Rags, I talking about what the LONG TERM repercussions of this will be for the people that need a taxi service.

That's still not a legal issue though is it? There are long-term repercussions for any kind of change.

I just gave you a couple of links rags

eddie wrote:I just gave you a couple of links rags

I read them eddie.

The issue of meters went to court and was thrown out, so forget that one.

The other issue mentioned in the article was booking offices. It seems to me that Uber are not fitting the definition of a private hire firm and that's why they don't need an office as such.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:My OH was a hackney cab driver for almost 40  years....he was glad to sell up and get out 3 years ago.

It's heartbreaking Syl
My other half doesnt  know what to so.

It's like the government have just turned a blind eye to all that's going on and is just robbing the taxi drivers of a living, not just here, all over the world.

WHY IS IT BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?

They are flooding London with so many uber cars and the streets have become one big giant car park.

I think the iconic black taxi has seen its day and like most historical things in our great country, will become a thing of the past.

This world is so fucking corrupt  

I really sympathise with you and your OH eddie, and to all black cab drivers who have seen their living reduce over the last few years. It was bad enough when councils gave free plates out to every Tom, Dick and Harry.....oddly enough not always to drivers who deserved them though, seemed to be a case of not what you know but who you know in Manchester at that time.

The Uber cars are relatively new here, my OH sold his cabs and plates over 5 years ago before all this took hold. He worked on for a couple of years but he was so disheartened at seeing a job that was once good deteriorate so badly.

Up the London Black Cabbiz.

Down the Dirty Black Cabbiz elsewhere.

Well hopefully, they will go right up you.