If You Were Not Concered About ISIS Support In the Muslim Mjaority World? You Should Be Now

First topic message reminder :

I am not even bothered to copy or post any of the crap the Inderpendent tries to claim with the worst appeasement possible, because it is far removed from understanding how troubling this Poll is. If you are interested then read the Link.I have just done a rough guess on how many Muslims this represents that support ISIS.





http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jakarta-attacks-chart-shows-isis-hated-in-indonesia-and-Muslim-majority-countries-around-the-world-a6813651.html


Egypt represents roughly 1.6 millions Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
UAE represents roughly 276,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Kuwait represents roughly 60,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Jordan represents roughly 170,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Saudi represents roughly 760,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Indonesia represents roughly 7.6 million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Iraq represents roughly 1 million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Palestinian represents roughly 600,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Yemen represents roughly 900,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Libya represents roughly 350,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Turkey represents roughly 5.5 Million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Burkino Faso represents roughly 800,000 Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Pakistan represents roughly 16 Million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Malaysia represents roughly 1.9 million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Senegal represents roughly 1.3 Million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Tunisia represents roughly 1.3 Million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Nigeria represents roughly 16 Million Muslims with a favorable view of ISIS
Syria is a tad difficult to work out based on the displacement of Syrians but is one in 5 Muslim Syrians, which really is concerning based on refugees.



This of course does not show how many of the Millions in India, Bangladesh, China etc, but the numbers are staggering.


Its only a few

SO exaplin to me Why You think you get to Group 1.7 million people together and blame them all for the actions of a few.
SO by your logic ALL JEWS shoudl be persecuted because they don't ALL condemn Israel

And Even if they Reformed IT DOENS'T HAVE TO BE TO YOUR VIEWS
Get it through your skull!!! Even I'd Prefer to Bomb you than obey you!!!
You think ANYONE IN Middle East is going to accept your Rubbish.
You Promote Hate because no one can read your shit posts and Not hate the the opinons presented or the individual presenting them.
 most people will be loath to side with you because you present as a Dumb fuck that thinks he is a dicator. 

Again REALITY is People HATE YOU they are not going to take having you act superior when you obviosuly are not. You make everything Worse as you are the Postor Child of EVERYTHING that is wrong with the West, You are pompus, up yourself and Not realising People DO NOT WANT WHAT YOU DO!! And you think you can just keep saying it to make people agree, when you just make people move further and further away from ANYTHING you promote

I wish you'd where a Muslims cause you'd get people to leave islam

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


1) The first point makes no sense and is illegible
2) No deflection it is comparable

Again the numbers is based on those who support ISIS, maybe you can tell me how supporting a group when it commits all these acts is not supporting these acts, when they have been committed by the group
This number is in the tens of millions of Muslims

Stick to the subject in hand instead of running off with defection onto something else.

Tell you what Didge. Go and look at the poll and the caveats that came with it and then recalibrate your figures based on what the poll is actually saying. Some people really need to understand how polls work so that's what you should do and I'll discuss this with again tomorrow as its late now.

Work it out CYA tomorrow.

And I see you have changed your mind again.

The subject at hand is islamic extremism and support for this.

I have no need to do anything with the figures Irn

All you are doing is once again proving what a regressive you are and trying to deny facts here

So no mind changed, just you offering up nothing at all, where you first were fundementally wrong over what I said and thus again as usual lied, to then deny millions support ISIS

Let me also point out, if you think something is wrong then reason this not make immature demands, which I will show the distain that they deserve

The numbers are based on the numbers of Sunni Muslims per country that percentages were given, hence why I stated rough estimates

This of course does not include all Muslim majority countries, let alone Muslims in the west which would have been the more telling point of risk and security to nations in the west

Your figures are still nonsense and all you have done here is take a poll that showed quite clearly how the majoity in each of these countris showed disdain for ISIS and turn it on it's head to make a case showing it as extremely worrying and you have done it with false data.

I did suggest that you go and look at the data for the poll and to try and understand what the poll was saying. I also made the point that the PEW Centre made it clear that some questions had been ommitted as they were previously published or would be in the future.

The data you are showing is from the sub-tabs and not from the topline results which explaind in more detail about the poll questions.

Do you want to take a look now and revise your figures?

So you have given me your opinion claiming its nonsense not proving it is

I have showed two polls actually which are similar in results, the worst part is those who refused to answer, which could then make the figure that much higher.
So I do not doubt my stats could be out hence why I said roughly but its more probable I have in fact been two generous in how low my numbers were

Didge wrote:So you have given me your opinion claiming its nonsense not proving it is

I have showed two polls actually which are similar in results, the worst part is those who refused to answer, which could then make the figure that much higher.
So I do not doubt my stats could be out hence why I said roughly but its more probable I have in fact been two generous in how low my numbers were

Were both polls using the data from the Spring 2015 Pew survey or was one from somewhere else?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:So you have given me your opinion claiming its nonsense not proving it is

I have showed two polls actually which are similar in results, the worst part is those who refused to answer, which could then make the figure that much higher.
So I do not doubt my stats could be out hence why I said roughly but its more probable I have in fact been two generous in how low my numbers were

Were both polls using the data from the Spring 2015 Pew survey or was one from somewhere else?

Why are you asking me?

Its again up to you to make your case

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:So you have given me your opinion claiming its nonsense not proving it is

I have showed two polls actually which are similar in results, the worst part is those who refused to answer, which could then make the figure that much higher.
So I do not doubt my stats could be out hence why I said roughly but its more probable I have in fact been two generous in how low my numbers were

Were both polls using the data from the Spring 2015 Pew survey or was one from somewhere else?

Why are you asking me?

Its again up to you to make your case

They were both using Pew data weren't they....or don't you know?

Again why are you asking me?

I know the details, but you seem to think by asking me inane questions is going to help your case here

It wont

Make you reasons backed with evidence or bow out

Its that simple

Didge wrote:Again why are you asking me?

I know the details, but you seem to think by asking me inane questions is going to help your case here

It wont

Make you reasons backed with evidence or bow out

Its that simple

You said you used two polls suggesting the data came from different source data both sopporting your figures so its important to clear this up.

Well?

Again why are you asking me?

You do this all the time

I have made my case, if you think there is something wrong with the polls, then its up to you to make your case.

I am not going to repeat this again

Either put up or bow out

Didge wrote:Again why are you asking me?

You do this all the time

I have made my case, if you think there is something wrong with the polls, then its up to you to make your case.

I am not going to repeat this again

Either put up or bow out

I'm asking you because you claimed two polls backed up your figures. I just want to see if the source data came from a different source or the same source.

If it's the same source then just say so and we can move on with the discussion.

Yes I have presented two polls and links to them, which again its up to you and not m,e to claim are wrong if you think they are.

Not that I mind, but be careful buddy, apparently its wrong to keep asking the same question.

So again either you go back and check for yourself and stop being lazy and getting me to do your dirty work or stop wasting my time

Didge wrote:Yes I have presented two polls and links to them, which again its up to you and not m,e to claim are wrong if you think they are.

Not that I mind, but be careful buddy, apparently its wrong to keep asking the same question.

So again either you go back and check for yourself and stop being lazy and getting me to do your dirty work or stop wasting my time

You are the one time wasing when it would have been easier to answer instead of just admitting thet were both from the Pew Centre so that's what I'm going with.

You have had opinions fro several posters including Les and Veya that those showing a favourable view of ISIS ere probably people who supported them to fight against Asaad perhaps but they were not signed up as full on supporters of all the atrocities that ISIS have been commiting. You rejected that claiming that 1.5 billion Muslims support all that and that there are tens of millions activists involved in all this. Well the poll doesn't support that because here is what the poll questions were....

Please tell me if you have a very favourable, somewhat favourable, somewhat unfavourable or very unfavourable opinion of.........? the Islamic militant group in Iraq and Syria known as ISIS

The figures you have used are from the 'somewhat favourable' category so go and look up whar 'somewhat favourable actaully means.

Take the figures for Pakistan where the 'very favourable' group is 1%. Based on the methology of the poll that equates to 12 people. So from just 12 people in Pakistan and the percentages for the other countries you have managed to claim 1.5 billion Mulsims support ISIS outright and of that group there are tens on millions activists actualy engaged in all that is going on.

That' why your figures are nonsense and why you need to go back and work out figures based on the 'very favourable' category.

Ah interesting you should say on favorable on not
As surely you would be if as Muslims claim ISIS is not Islamic against them completely would they not? I mean how could you be even in slight favour of a group that burns to death other Muslims, Beheads innocent journalists, and rapes children and enslaves them Irn?

These polls are done on a scale, which is very misleading to the point more show in the for then for ISIS, as they give slightly or more favorable and the same the other way,. when it can only be in the case of a genocidal group for or against based on their crimes
Again why did so many people refuse to answer as in the one I gave that were don't knows, in the Poll itself it states refused to answer

Also from Pew as people realise what these people are about. Just remember that people in some Muslim countries may not have had access to the same level of detail that we have seen but they may be now and as seen concerns are growing

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/07/16/extremism-concerns-growing-in-west-and-predominantly-Muslim-countries/

Didge wrote:Ah interesting you should say on favorable on not
As surely you would be if as Muslims claim ISIS is not Islamic against them completely would they not? I mean how could you be even in slight favour of a group that burns to death other Muslims, Beheads innocent journalists, and rapes children and enslaves them Irn?

These polls are done on a scale, which is very misleading to the point more show in the for then for ISIS, as they give slightly or more favorable and the same the other way,. when it can only be in the case of a genocidal group for or against based on their crimes
Again why did so many people refuse to answer as in the one I gave that were don't knows, in the Poll itself it states refused to answer

So now the poll is misleading The very poll you used you chancer.

And where's the evidence that they refused to answer? They just didn't know as they had no adequate information to give an answer

Your figures are nonsense.

So if you think the figures are nonsense then the Polls must be nonsense, and thus we cannot say how many support or are opposed to ISIS. My figures were based on the percentage of Sunni Muslims in these countries and on that aspect they were very good
So all I am seeing from you Irn, is again a failure to understand not only the clear and underlying support in the form of millions for ISIS but that has been steady growing where again ISIS present a complete literal view of various Islamic works. This as stated is easily backed up in my reasons, in why would a Muslim ignore countless Muslims, dying to the tune of 200,000 but only react to the west aiding in bombing ISIS. To then forego any peaceful nature to take up arms and then engage in rape, murder etc?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:Ah interesting you should say on favorable on not
As surely you would be if as Muslims claim ISIS is not Islamic against them completely would they not? I mean how could you be even in slight favour of a group that burns to death other Muslims, Beheads innocent journalists, and rapes children and enslaves them Irn?

These polls are done on a scale, which is very misleading to the point more show in the for then for ISIS, as they give slightly or more favorable and the same the other way,. when it can only be in the case of a genocidal group for or against based on their crimes
Again why did so many people refuse to answer as in the one I gave that were don't knows, in the Poll itself it states refused to answer

So now the poll is misleading The very poll you used you chancer.

And where's the evidence that they refused to answer? They just didn't know as they had no adequate information to give an answer

Your figures are nonsense.

never denied how the polls were presented in the links were not misleading, in fact they very much are, as its evident from those who did not answer is even more troubling which you seem to fail to grasp Irn

Again not sure want there is to smile about with that, but then the left do have a warped sense of humour I guess

Look at the second poll I gave you and you will see the questions

Here is the link to the other poll from where I obtained it and how I then worked out how to find the questions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-Muslim-majority-countries-across-the-world-overwhelmingly-detest-terrorist-group-a6751286.html

[size=47]Views of ISIS Topline[/size]

[size=36]Survey Topline[/size]

• Survey results are based on national samples. For further details on sample designs, see our international survey methods database.
  
  
• Due to rounding, percentages may not total 100%. The topline “total” columns show 100% because they are based on unrounded numbers.
  
  
• Not all questions included in the Spring 2015 survey are presented in this topline. Omitted questions have either been previously released or will be released in future reports.
  
  

Didge wrote:So if you think the figures are nonsense then the Polls must be nonsense, and thus we cannot say how many support or are opposed to ISIS. My figures were based on the percentage of Sunni Muslims in these countries and on that aspect they were very good
So all I am seeing from you Irn, is again a failure to understand not only the clear and underlying support in the form of millions for ISIS but that has been steady growing where again ISIS present a complete literal view of various Islamic works. This as stated is easily backed up in my reasons, in why would a Muslim ignore countless Muslims, dying to the tune of 200,000 but only react to the west aiding in bombing ISIS. To then forego any peaceful nature to take up arms and then engage in rape, murder etc?

No Didge. It's your figures that are nonsense. I accept the poll figures. You just used the wrong figures and you never went and looked at the poll in detail.

Didge wrote:Here is the link to the other poll from where I obtained it and how I then worked out how to find the questions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-Muslim-majority-countries-across-the-world-overwhelmingly-detest-terrorist-group-a6751286.html

Also from the PEW Centre poll data.

You'll learn.

You keep telling me that and then have failed throughout to back up and reason why you think they are, Again I went off the of percentages of favorable, where in fact I should add the refused to answer to that as well, which would make the numbers even bigger

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:Here is the link to the other poll from where I obtained it and how I then worked out how to find the questions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-Muslim-majority-countries-across-the-world-overwhelmingly-detest-terrorist-group-a6751286.html

Also from the PEW Centre poll data.

You'll learn.

The only thing I have learnt here is how badly you have failed to reason your points, or back any of it up with evidence

Didge wrote:You keep telling me that and then have failed throughout to back up and reason why you think they are, Again I went off the of percentages of favorable, where in fact I should add the refused to answer to that as well, which would make the numbers even bigger

You're talking rubbish Didge. The favourable percentages were actualy the somewhat favourable figures. You should have taken my advice and looked up the poll data which would have saved you looking a wee bit silly.

12 for Pakistan and 10 for Turkey as Very favourable and with figures like that you had 1.5 billion Muslims supporting all those attrocities and tens of millions activists ready to swarm all over us and wipe us out.

It was nonsense - Just deal with Didge.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:Here is the link to the other poll from where I obtained it and how I then worked out how to find the questions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-Muslim-majority-countries-across-the-world-overwhelmingly-detest-terrorist-group-a6751286.html

Also from the PEW Centre poll data.

You'll learn.

The only thing I have learnt here is how badly you have failed to reason your points, or back any of it up with evidence

It's all there in the poll figures Didge. You should have looked up when I asked you but you diddn't.

What a shame

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:You keep telling me that and then have failed throughout to back up and reason why you think they are, Again I went off the of percentages of favorable, where in fact I should add the refused to answer to that as well, which would make the numbers even bigger

You're talking rubbish Didge. The favourable percentages were actualy the somewhat favourable figures. You should have taken my advice and looked up the poll data which would have saved you looking a wee bit silly.

12 for Pakistan and 10 for Turkey as Very favourable and with figures like that you had 1.5 billion Muslims supporting all those attrocities and tens of millions activists ready to swarm all over us and wipe us out.

It was nonsense - Just deal with Didge.

Unbelievable how do you distinguish between favorable views where a group is killing Muslims, Christians, Yazidis, Druz etc raping children?
Please explain how you are not then either for or against for Muslims, being as Muslim scholars claim they are unIslamic?So now you wait till I go and make the most weakest argument going based off the reality of who the group is and what it stands for.
That was your first error, as are you then saying clearly many Muslims view them as Islamic then as they must do to favor them?
So now you wait till I go off line to answer

Yes your reply was nonsense Irn

As again explain to the forum how you can slightly favor child rape and enslavement?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


The only thing I have learnt here is how badly you have failed to reason your points, or back any of it up with evidence

It's all there in the poll figures Didge. You should have looked up when I asked you but you diddn't.

What a shame

I still see you persisting in lying as well over claiming I said 1.5 billion Muslims, which shows your desperation here, when again it shows how again the left go to any lengths to deceive. Where explain why I would show numbers in each country less than the population of Sunni Muslims in that country and per country supporting ISIS? Please lets see you dig yourself out of that hole where again you twist a sentence knowing full well I never once stated 1.5 billion support ISIS. You see this is what you do on every debate, it shows how poor you are and how in fact all you ever do is try to deligitimize posters and why its so easy for me to show up how poor you are Irn.

What is not all there is your understanding in even being slightly favorable to such a group, that is what you fail to grasp in every aspect

Seriously how far removed are you from understanding any of this and even then the problematic position of those refusing to answer which at every point you have avoided like the plague?

Please tell the forum for example whether you either are for or against the Nazis, or whether you think slightly makes any difference at all to the atrocities they committed?

Please explain this fascinating gibberish you have created as an apologist defense here?

The only shame is yet again you have failed to show my numbers are wrong, and giving me instead extensive hot air continually