Can we put a limit on anti-Muslim threads

[Guest]

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It gets so friggin boring.

[Ben Reilly]

Tommy rocks.

You realize that kind of rhetoric is actively being used by Islamic extremists to recruit more poor bastards to their cause?

The more we demonise them, the more ISIS and al Qaeda try to convince them that we're at war with their religion -- and the more people die over some stupid superstitious Sky Daddy bullshit!

Bullshit, that is a blatang distortion if ever there was one. So a peaceful Muslims will forego being peaceful to because of demonization think its acceptable to rape women and girls, back slavery, behead people etc?
That is he worst and most ridiculous claim the left always make

We have to deal with reality as it is dealt! And yes, a lot of these people are desperate enough that they'll grasp at such a pitiful means to give their lives (or rather, deaths) meaning, in their own minds. We have to understand that before we can try to make the world less violent. We can't wish and hope it comes true; that's a childish dream. We CAN try to show people that despite the regressive forces in the world, our side wants peace. To me, it's a choice between people living long lives -- perhaps ones where they regret their earlier actions, as we all do if we've lived -- or get cut down in their 20s.

I just want everyone to live a long life, be happy, and die when they're 85-140 years old. Call me an idealist -- I refuse to believe that's a stupid ideal. I'll always fight for that, regardless of wrongs that people might have the chance to live to regret.

[Guest]

Again bullshit which shows how far removed you are from understanding any of this so lets try to help you here.

Masses of Christians have faced persecution in the Middle East.
Where is all the terrorism from them and beheadings, rraping and enslaving?

Jews are about the most persecuted people in history, we should see masses of Jewish terrorists around the world, please explain why in fact this is the opposite?

What we have to fundementally do is teach the left that their excuses are what is major cause of these problems, because they keep making the worst excuses for violence as again what could possibly make a peaceful Muslims, go from vieiwng things at opeace to believe its acceptable top rape little girls and champion cutting peoples heads off?

[Ben Reilly]

Again bullshit which shows how far removed you are from understanding any of this so lets try to help you here.

Masses of Christians have faced persecution in the Middle East.
Where is all the terrorism from them and beheadings, rraping and enslaving?

Jews are about the most persecuted people in history, we should see masses of Jewish terrorists around the world, please explain why in fact this is the opposite?

What we have to fundementally do is teach the left that their excuses are what is major cause of these problems, because they keep making the worst excuses for violence as again what could possibly make a peaceful Muslims, go from vieiwng things at opeace to believe its acceptable top rape little girls and champion cutting peoples heads off?

Everybody reacts differently to these pressures. While most Irish remained peaceful, some were driven to terrorism. It should teach us that you can never predict how a person will react to anything. I drive in heavy traffic all the time; my brother gets his blood pressure driven up and a doctor told him not to drive on freeways. It doesn't make him better than me or me better than him.

The violent people are always in the minority. We should be figuring out how to make people less violent, not singling out another group and adding to the long, sad history of people who were defined by their worst members.

[Guest]

Again bullshit which shows how far removed you are from understanding any of this so lets try to help you here.

Masses of Christians have faced persecution in the Middle East.
Where is all the terrorism from them and beheadings, rraping and enslaving?

Jews are about the most persecuted people in history, we should see masses of Jewish terrorists around the world, please explain why in fact this is the opposite?

What we have to fundementally do is teach the left that their excuses are what is major cause of these problems, because they keep making the worst excuses for violence as again what could possibly make a peaceful Muslims, go from vieiwng things at opeace to believe its acceptable top rape little girls and champion cutting peoples heads off?

Everybody reacts differently to these pressures. While most Irish remained peaceful, some were driven to terrorism. It should teach us that you can never predict how a person will react to anything. I drive in heavy traffic all the time; my brother gets his blood pressure driven up and a doctor told him not to drive on freeways. It doesn't make him better than me or me better than him.

The violent people are always in the minority. We should be figuring out how to make people less violent, not singling out another group and adding to the long, sad history of people who were defined by their worst members.

Sorry I did just laugh at the above, so everyone does not act different as it is only in the case of Muslim extremism do we see what we are seeing today with peope going from being peaceful to then thinking its acceptable to enslave, rape and behead people. The reason how and why it is an easy transitition for Muslims to make is because all of these views are backed upo by hadiths on the life of Muhammad, which is problematic in the extreme. So demonization does not turn people on its own to committing the worst acts of barbarism not seen sice the Nazis. It is islamic doctrine itself and a hate narative that makes people believe and think this is acceptable and we should be talking about noithing else how and why Muslims easily turned to believe Islamism to the extent they normalize slavery, rape and murder. So this is nothing like high blood pressure or stress or anything like that but fundementally Islamic doctrine, which thankfully most do not emulate, but certainly a substanical amount do. This is the problems with the hadiths, stories not put to pen centuries after the events and in many cases make the Quran redundent as a final message.
So you want to figure how to stop this? Open your eyes to where the problem actuially is? A naratuive of hate, and blame onto the west, Islamic doctrine, a belief that all lands should be Muslims and for Muslims to control one and all

[Raggamuffin]

Again bullshit which shows how far removed you are from understanding any of this so lets try to help you here.

Masses of Christians have faced persecution in the Middle East.
Where is all the terrorism from them and beheadings, rraping and enslaving?

Jews are about the most persecuted people in history, we should see masses of Jewish terrorists around the world, please explain why in fact this is the opposite?

What we have to fundementally do is teach the left that their excuses are what is major cause of these problems, because they keep making the worst excuses for violence as again what could possibly make a peaceful Muslims, go from vieiwng things at opeace to believe its acceptable top rape little girls and champion cutting peoples heads off?

Everybody reacts differently to these pressures. While most Irish remained peaceful, some were driven to terrorism. It should teach us that you can never predict how a person will react to anything. I drive in heavy traffic all the time; my brother gets his blood pressure driven up and a doctor told him not to drive on freeways. It doesn't make him better than me or me better than him.

The violent people are always in the minority. We should be figuring out how to make people less violent, not singling out another group and adding to the long, sad history of people who were defined by their worst members.

Please do not excuse the IRA by saying they were "driven" to terrorism. That implies that they had no choice but to murder people.

[Ben Reilly]

Again bullshit which shows how far removed you are from understanding any of this so lets try to help you here.

Masses of Christians have faced persecution in the Middle East.
Where is all the terrorism from them and beheadings, rraping and enslaving?

Jews are about the most persecuted people in history, we should see masses of Jewish terrorists around the world, please explain why in fact this is the opposite?

What we have to fundementally do is teach the left that their excuses are what is major cause of these problems, because they keep making the worst excuses for violence as again what could possibly make a peaceful Muslims, go from vieiwng things at opeace to believe its acceptable top rape little girls and champion cutting peoples heads off?

Everybody reacts differently to these pressures. While most Irish remained peaceful, some were driven to terrorism. It should teach us that you can never predict how a person will react to anything. I drive in heavy traffic all the time; my brother gets his blood pressure driven up and a doctor told him not to drive on freeways. It doesn't make him better than me or me better than him.

The violent people are always in the minority. We should be figuring out how to make people less violent, not singling out another group and adding to the long, sad history of people who were defined by their worst members.

Please do not excuse the IRA by saying they were "driven" to terrorism. That implies that they had no choice but to murder people.

I didn't mean to imply that, peace is always an option -- if a hard one, to people who have been done wrong.

The rebelling slaves in Haiti didn't have to kill white children -- but that is what victimisation does to some people. I think Vic would have my back on this point

[Raggamuffin]

Please do not excuse the IRA by saying they were "driven" to terrorism. That implies that they had no choice but to murder people.

I didn't mean to imply that, peace is always an option -- if a hard one, to people who have been done wrong.

The rebelling slaves in Haiti didn't have to kill white children -- but that is what victimisation does to some people. I think Vic would have my back on this point

You mean that some people chose to use terrorism and to murder people. I wish you'd choose your words more carefully. You are once again excusing the IRA by saying that they were victims, and you're implying that they were justified in killing people who had done them no harm.

As you know, this is the not the first time you've done so, and now you seem to want to do it all over again.

[Ben Reilly]

Please do not excuse the IRA by saying they were "driven" to terrorism. That implies that they had no choice but to murder people.

I didn't mean to imply that, peace is always an option -- if a hard one, to people who have been done wrong.

The rebelling slaves in Haiti didn't have to kill white children -- but that is what victimisation does to some people. I think Vic would have my back on this point

You mean that some people chose to use terrorism and to murder people. I wish you'd choose your words more carefully. You are once again excusing the IRA by saying that they were victims, and you're implying that they were justified in killing people who had done them no harm.

As you know, this is the not the first time you've done so, and now you seem to want to do it all over again.

I don't condone violence, but I do understand that circumstances drive some people to that choice. It's tragic and something we should always work to prevent, and if we fail to prevent it, to stop it.

I do appreciate that you're seeming to try to understand what I mean beyond the words I use to try to describe it

[eddie]

Ben you honestly sound like one of those people that simply refuses to ever admit he's wrong.
You just won't put your hands up and say "Know what? There IS a problem with Muslim terrorists and it IS getting worse and they DID fuck up when they let the refugees flood Europe"

You will still be insisting you're right even when you're wearing a hijab.

And I actually think it's because you just don't want to agree with the posters like Tommy and smelly, whom you find distasteful.

If the English hadn't arrived here on this forum, I think you'd be singing a very different tune - similar to the one didge is singing now.

[Tommy Monk]

Tommy rocks.

You realize that kind of rhetoric is actively being used by Islamic extremists to recruit more poor bastards to their cause?

The more we demonise them, the more ISIS and al Qaeda try to convince them that we're at war with their religion -- and the more people die over some stupid superstitious Sky Daddy bullshit!

So pointing out the evil carried out by Muslims will make more of them start carrying out evil!!!???


Any normal person would be horrified by the evil and would actively turn away from it and those who were carrying it out!!!

[Original Quill]

Ben you honestly sound like one of those people that simply refuses to ever admit he's wrong.
You just won't put your hands up and say "Know what? There IS a problem with Muslim terrorists and it IS getting worse and they DID fuck up when they let the refugees flood Europe"

Haha...as opposed to you, who always admits she is wrong.  

The only problem with Muslims is westerners.  Western culture has developed a belief that because they are new to them, they are the foreign interloper.  

There is a problem with people who resort to violence to achieve their ends, but that is almost always from the right.  RWers tend to believe that tradition legitimizes their position under some prior moral order, so they resort to violence with a sense of righteousness.  It was as true with Nazi Germany as it is with UKIP today.  It is the problem with the KKK and it is the problem that white western civilization at the present time.

[Guest]

So westerners calling for human rights in Muslim majority countries are the problem and not the people abusing the rights of people.


Hmmm that is a new one

[Raggamuffin]

You mean that some people chose to use terrorism and to murder people. I wish you'd choose your words more carefully. You are once again excusing the IRA by saying that they were victims, and you're implying that they were justified in killing people who had done them no harm.

As you know, this is the not the first time you've done so, and now you seem to want to do it all over again.

I don't condone violence, but I do understand that circumstances drive some people to that choice. It's tragic and something we should always work to prevent, and if we fail to prevent it, to stop it.

I do appreciate that you're seeming to try to understand what I mean beyond the words I use to try to describe it

Next time you want everyone to condemn violence against innocent Muslims, just remember that you have excused violence against innocent people in the UK by saying that the perpetrators were "driven" to it.

[Guest]

I'm actually stunned by this thread

[Victorismyhero]

have a couple or three GnT's FTL...it might make more sense then

[Guest]

have a couple or three GnT's FTL...it might make more sense then

Everyone has their pet subjects, particularly Sassy. They're just as dull

I've a new found love of blue sapphire and tonic Victor

[Victorismyhero]

Still preferm my calvados....

[eddie]

Ben you honestly sound like one of those people that simply refuses to ever admit he's wrong.
You just won't put your hands up and say "Know what? There IS a problem with Muslim terrorists and it IS getting worse and they DID fuck up when they let the refugees flood Europe"

Haha...as opposed to you, who always admits she is wrong.  

The only problem with Muslims is westerners.  Western culture has developed a belief that because they are new to them, they are the foreign interloper.  

There is a problem with people who resort to violence to achieve their ends, but that is almost always from the right.  RWers tend to believe that tradition legitimizes their position under some prior moral order, so they resort to violence with a sense of righteousness.  It was as true with Nazi Germany as it is with UKIP today.  It is the problem with the KKK and it is the problem that white western civilization at the present time.

I don't admit I'm wrong because I never say I'm right.
I have said over and over again, most truth is ever-changing and we simply don't know most things

As for you, blah blah RW

Change the record quill. Just call them "people"
You of all people should know that not everyone is the same'just because they're in a certain "club"

[eddie]

So westerners calling for human rights in Muslim majority countries are the problem and not the people abusing the rights of people.


Hmmm that is a new one

Oh come on Didge. We all know that Quill is so "not racist" that he hates any shade lighter than a half-caste person, and they only get HALF his sympathy

[Guest]

So westerners calling for human rights in Muslim majority countries are the problem and not the people abusing the rights of people.


Hmmm that is a new one

Oh come on Didge. We all know that Quill is so "not racist" that he hates any shade lighter than a half-caste person, and they only get HALF his sympathy  

[Guest]

So westerners calling for human rights in Muslim majority countries are the problem and not the people abusing the rights of people.


Hmmm that is a new one

Oh come on Didge. We all know that Quill is so "not racist" that he hates any shade lighter than a half-caste person, and they only get HALF his sympathy  

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

[eddie]

So westerners calling for human rights in Muslim majority countries are the problem and not the people abusing the rights of people.


Hmmm that is a new one

Oh come on Didge. We all know that Quill is so "not racist" that he hates any shade lighter than a half-caste person, and they only get HALF his sympathy  

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

Hi FTK just said hallo to,you on the spider burger (yuck) thread!

I can use it and I will use and furthermore, every bloody black person I know uses it, including those with half caste kids.

And as for "African American"??? Fuck off.
They're black people, I'm white, big deal so what pfffffff

[Guest]

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

Hi FTK just said hallo to,you on the spider burger (yuck) thread!

I can use it and I will use and furthermore, every bloody black person I know uses it, including those with half caste kids.

And as for "African American"??? Fuck off.
They're black people, I'm white, big deal so what pfffffff

Tell it how it is Eddie!!! My beautiful nieces are mixed race, I wasn't aware that term was offensive if I'm honest x

[eddie]

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

Hi FTK just said hallo to,you on the spider burger (yuck) thread!

I can use it and I will use and furthermore, every bloody black person I know uses it, including those with half caste kids.

And as for "African American"??? Fuck off.
They're black people, I'm white, big deal so what pfffffff

Tell it how it is Eddie!!! My beautiful nieces are mixed race, I wasn't aware that term was offensive if I'm honest x

The term is only "offensive" to those who are:

New to mixed relationships (ie white women who aren't used to the "black world")

Whites people who overcompensate

Black people who are victims and have a chip in their shoulder

I bet your nieces are beautiful. The mix of black and white often makes for pretty girls and good looking boys.

[Raggamuffin]

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

Hi FTK just said hallo to,you on the spider burger (yuck) thread!

I can use it and I will use and furthermore, every bloody black person I know uses it, including those with half caste kids.

And as for "African American"??? Fuck off.
They're black people, I'm white, big deal so what pfffffff

Yes, it's a bit silly to call them African if they've never set foot in Africa.

[Guest]

Tell it how it is Eddie!!! My beautiful nieces are mixed race, I wasn't aware that term was offensive if I'm honest x

The term is only "offensive" to those who are:

New to mixed relationships (ie white women who aren't used to the "black world")

Whites people who overcompensate

Black people who are victims and have a chip in their shoulder

I bet your nieces are beautiful. The mix of black and white often makes for pretty girls and good looking boys.

They are gorgeous xxx

[eddie]

You can't use that term anymore Eddie

Hi FTK just said hallo to,you on the spider burger (yuck) thread!

I can use it and I will use and furthermore, every bloody black person I know uses it, including those with half caste kids.

And as for "African American"??? Fuck off.
They're black people, I'm white, big deal so what pfffffff

Yes, it's a bit silly to call them African if they've never set foot in Africa.

It's ignorant is what it is!
"Oh you're black, you must be from Africa then"

[Tommy Monk]

Bit like when someone says...

"Oh you're white British and you want less immigration, you must be a Racist!"

[eddie]

Bit like when someone says...

"Oh you're white British and you want less immigration, you must be a Racist!"

Yes.
Exactly
Like
That

[Ben Reilly]

Ben you honestly sound like one of those people that simply refuses to ever admit he's wrong.
You just won't put your hands up and say "Know what? There IS a problem with Muslim terrorists and it IS getting worse and they DID fuck up when they let the refugees flood Europe"

You will still be insisting you're right even when you're wearing a hijab.

And I actually think it's because you just don't want to agree with the posters like Tommy and smelly, whom you find distasteful.

If the English hadn't arrived here on this forum, I think you'd be singing a very different tune - similar to the one didge is singing now.

Debate does help you define and refine your position. As far as my position on the refugee crisis, I've made it pretty clear and don't feel I need to say any more.

[veya_victaous]

Bit like when someone says...

"Oh you're white British and you want less immigration, you must be a Racist!"

Tommy when you have a Black face image as your avatar YOU ARE RACIST
you have no arguement against it.

Stop trying to pretend to not be racist, and ohh your picking on me I am just speaking the truth WHEN YOU BLOODY WELL HAVE AVATAR ADVERTISING YOUR RACISM.


I'll Change My Avatar to a Picure of something Anti-British and next time you call me racist since You seem to think that cancels it out.

[Ben Reilly]

Bit like when someone says...

"Oh you're white British and you want less immigration, you must be a Racist!"

Tommy when you have a Black face image as your avatar YOU ARE RACIST
you have no arguement against it.

Stop trying to pretend to not be racist, and ohh your picking on me I am just speaking the truth WHEN YOU BLOODY WELL HAVE AVATAR ADVERTISING YOUR RACISM.


I'll Change My Avatar to a Picure of something Anti-British and next time you call me racist since You seem to think that cancels it out.

Might I suggest this one?

[Victorismyhero]

dont encourage the hobgoblin ben

[Tommy Monk]

Eddie had a picture of a man dressed as a woman... and He had a beard!!!


Is that sexist!?


Is that derogatory to women as suggesting women have facial hair problems!?

[Raggamuffin]

Isn't Ben's avatar a caricature of Mexicans?

[Ben Reilly]

Isn't Ben's avatar a caricature of Mexicans?

Speedy Gonzales is beloved by Mexicans!

Stereotypes die hard, as we know, and sometimes backfire, as it was and is the case of the beloved Speedy Gonzales, the cartoon character created to poke fun at Mexicans but who became a much-loved hero in the Spanish-speaking world, especially in Mexico and Spain.

Speedy Gonzales was born in the early 50s and was intended to be a real stereotype of what Anglophones in the United States considered to be a “typical” Mexican: he spoke with an exaggerated Mexican accent; he wore an oversized sombrero, Mexican type, and white shirt and trousers, with a red kerchief around his neck.

His speech was sprinkled with Spanish words like ¡ándele! ¡arriba! amigo, gracias, señor, gringo, hasta la vista… and others to make him sound authentic and real.

The cartoon hero became very popular and was an instant success with audiences who laughed at the Mexican mouse’s way of talking and acting. However it backfired on its creators and American audiences as well.

Speedy Gonzales’s character welcomed by Hispanics

Speedy Gonzales did not offend the Hispanic public, on the contrary, they found the mouse amusing, clever and a character that outsmarted the “local” cartoon personalities he was pitched against, like Sylvester the Cat (el gringo pussygato), Porky Pig, Wily Coyote and even Duffy Duck. How so?

Mexicans have always been depicted as slow and easy going but the creators of this cartoon character turned him into a plucky, energetic, speedy hero of the underdog, like a modern cartoon Zorro.

He helps hungry Mexican mice get to a cheese factory guarded by Sylvester, the gringo cat, who is constantly humiliated and outrun by this little mouse who speaks with a funny Mexican accent. I believe that Speedy Gonzales popularized that stereotype accent that most English-speaking Americans identify as Mexican English.

Was the cartoon racist, offensive, insulting, prejudiced? Possibly the creators intended it to be so, and exploited the audience’s weaknesses, animosity and foibles against foreigners, but in the long run all that backfired and ended up making the whole world laugh at the shenanigans and antics of the hero of the “undermouse,” Speedy Gonzales, who is quick-witted, fast, nimble, funny, cute and endearing. He’s the “fastest mouse in all Mexico; a friend of everybody.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/speedy-gonzales-hispanic_n_4039787.html

You have to know, for me to racially insult Mexicans would be a weird thing to do. My sister's wonderful godparents are Mexican, as are many of my friends, coworkers ... my boss ...

[Major]

My avatar advertises Jam, yum yum

[Tommy Monk]

Is Chris Eubank being racist by his trying to act like a typically white English country gentleman...?

[Tommy Monk]

And I have friends and family from various different racial backgrounds too!!!

[Guest]

Is Chris Eubank being racist by his trying to act like a typically white English country gentleman...?

WTF

Has he painted his face white?
No

What an absurd view and thing to say, what you are saying is he is socially quintessentially English

[Tommy Monk]

Maybe the man in my avatar believes he is a black man but born in the wrong white body...

[Guest]

Myabe you are just a racist, full stop

[Raggamuffin]

Was Michael Jackson being racist then? He liked having a white face.

[Guest]

Was Michael Jackson being racist then? He liked having a white face.

He never had white skin, his skin was lightened but to say that would make him racist compared to someone blackening their face to represent and mock black people shows how far removed you are on understanding the difference

[Raggamuffin]

Was Michael Jackson being racist then? He liked having a white face.

He never had white skin, his skin was lightened but to say that would make him racist compared to someone blackening their face to represent and mock black people shows how far removed you are on understanding the difference

He used make up to make his face appear white.

[Raggamuffin]

What about the women, Rachel Dolezal? She tries to look like a black person.

[Guest]

He never had white skin, his skin was lightened but to say that would make him racist compared to someone blackening their face to represent and mock black people shows how far removed you are on understanding the difference

He used make up to make his face appear white.

Lighter, not white, which again is irrelevant, as he was not trying to mock white people the point you again miss

[Guest]

What about the women, Rachel Dolezal? She tries to look like a black person.

What did you not grasp the first time?

[Raggamuffin]

He used make up to make his face appear white.

Lighter, not white, which again is irrelevant, as he was not trying to mock white people the point you again miss

He was whiter than me at times, and that's saying something!

[Tommy Monk]

Shit loads of people get sun tans or spray tans to look different...


Racist?



And you don't think it is sexist for a man to try to look like a woman!?

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