Trump - Poll

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I do not know how to do a proper poll, please excuse me.

Will Donald Trump in your own opinion ever become President of the USA

Please answer YES or NO only

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Huh? Are you for real?

Now I know why you posted that IRA video - and I defended you because I know at heart how you meant it - but that was rather a "Trump" moment for you - wasn't it?

Should we have said you had no right to say it and because you did, you're not a "free-thinker"?
That makes no sense.

You really need to think before replying Ben, you've created a double standard for yourself.

You'll notice I'm not running for president.

Lol cop out answer

Not a cop-out answer; I hold the president to a higher standard than I hold myself. She (or, I guess, he) is going to be the "leader of the free world." I'm a high-school sports editor.

Ben you've answered a question I never asked? Not sure what your answer had to do with what we were discussing but anyway....

Why would you hold the president, or that matter, anyone, in higher regard than yourself?????

I know I'm not qualified to be president -- I want someone who is.

You mean know a lot about how to lie and spin and bend the truth, change your mind, backtrack, cover your tracks, eat in good places and surround yourself with likeminded people or people who you can use or who will use you?

No. I don't think you're qualified.'
You're too nice and too honest.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben you've answered a question I never asked? Not sure what your answer had to do with what we were discussing but anyway....

Why would you hold the president, or that matter, anyone, in higher regard than yourself?????

I know I'm not qualified to be president -- I want someone who is.

I don't think that person exists, the presidency is too all-powerful.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Ukip are representing the biggest issue in politics that affects everything else... the return of control over our country to our national parliament so as to be able to restore our right to democracy and self governance and self rule!

I know what they represent.  How significant it is is each person's decision.

So you agree with my summary of what Ukip represents?

Tommy Monk wrote:So you agree with my summary of what Ukip represents?

Here is what you said:

tommy wrote:Ukip are representing the biggest issue in politics that affects everything else... the return of control over our country to our national parliament so as to be able to restore our right to democracy and self governance and self rule!

The underscored parts are your superlatives and other hyperbolical bullshit.  Here’s what is left:

tommy wrote:Ukip are representing the issue in politics that affects...our national parliament!

With that I agree.

My statement was a whole and accurate, none exaggerated...

Tommy Monk wrote:My statement was a whole and accurate, none exaggerated...

Not exaggerated. Just all adjectives, nothing to back it up.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:My statement was a whole and accurate, none exaggerated...

Not exaggerated.  Just all adjectives, nothing to back it up.

So which parts of my statement do you think were untrue?

And which parts do you want me to back up with proof?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not exaggerated.  Just all adjectives, nothing to back it up.

So which parts of my statement do you think were untrue?

And which parts do you want me to back up with proof?

I think I underscored the parts that would need to be eliminated before I agreed. It's not that your proffer is bad, it's just controversial and biased...and not to my side.

Although everything I said in the statement is an accurate and factual account of the situation...! ?

Tommy Monk wrote:Although everything I said in the statement is an accurate and factual account of the situation...! ?

It's a spin. Most of politics is about framing.

Like Jack Nicolas said: Everything I told you was some version of the truth!

What part of my statement is not true?

Tommy Monk wrote:What part of my statement is not true?

Your question does not relate to anything I said.

You have tried to dismiss my statement but without being able to show any of it as being factually wrong or untrue.

Yes, that's true.

Then my statement still stands in its entirety and remains accurate and true.

Just a reminder of what I said....


"Ukip are representing the biggest issue in politics that affects everything else... the return of control over our country to our national parliament so as to be able to restore our right to democracy and self governance and self rule!"

Tommy Monk wrote:Just a reminder of what I said....


"Ukip are representing the biggest issue in politics that affects everything else... the return of control over our country to our national parliament so as to be able to restore our right to democracy and self governance and self rule!"

Tommy...think it through.  Political thought is not an endless competition.  Just answer a few questions:

1.  Why is UKIP "representing" the biggest issue in politics, and not itself the biggest issue?

2.  What do you mean, "affects everything else"?  How does it "affect"?  What changes take place?

3.  What do you mean "restore our right to democracy and self governance and self rule"?  What do you mean by "restore"?

4.  Restore from what?  Why is restoration necessary?

5.  What do you mean by "democracy"?

6.  What do you mean by "self governance"?  Who is the "self"?

7.  What do you mean by "self rule"?  Who, again, is the "self"?

I know you are impatient with this kind of methodical investigation of the smallest of thoughts, but it's got to be done or you have said nothing at all.  As you can see, there's a reason why my posts are a bit longer.    We either have longer posts, or longer threads (that say nothing)...such as we have here.

What I find most interesting... and amusing... is how you earlier were so sure of yourself when dismissing my statement... but now seem to be admitting that you didn't actually understand any of it by your subsequent request for explanations...!!!

Thanks for the green!

And it now appears that Quill has realised his foolishness and run away...


Most amusing!

Tommy Monk wrote:What I find most interesting... and amusing... is how you earlier were so sure of yourself when dismissing my statement... but now seem to be admitting that you didn't actually understand any of it by your subsequent request for explanations...!!!

Why do you feel I was dismissing your statement? Are you unsure yourself?

Tommy Monk wrote:Thanks for the green!

I didn't give you the green. Or the red...

Tommy Monk wrote:And it now appears that Quill has realised his foolishness and run away...

Most amusing!

Two days later and you are only realizing that I'm gone. Tommy, you lack confidence in yourself.

Not at all... just giving you the benefit of doubt... after 2 days it is fairly conclusive that you have run away. ..

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all... just giving you the benefit of doubt... after 2 days it is fairly conclusive that you have run away. ..

Well, I'm still here. My chair is out back. Drop by.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:What I find most interesting... and amusing... is how you earlier were so sure of yourself when dismissing my statement... but now seem to be admitting that you didn't actually understand any of it by your subsequent request for explanations...!!!

Why do you feel I was dismissing your statement?  Are you unsure yourself?

Er... because earlier when I said this...

'You have tried to dismiss my statement but without being able to show any of it as being factually wrong or untrue.'

You replied...

'Yes. That is true.'

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all... just giving you the benefit of doubt... after 2 days it is fairly conclusive that you have run away. ..

Well, I'm still here.  My chair is out back.  Drop by.  

Make your mind up... earlier you said you had gone...


'Two days later and you are only realizing that I'm gone. Tommy, you lack confidence in yourself.'

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well, I'm still here.  My chair is out back.  Drop by.  

Make your mind up... earlier you said you had gone...

'Two days later and you are only realizing that I'm gone. Tommy, you lack confidence in yourself.'

I said, my chair's out back. If you miss me, drop around again.