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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:35 pm

The single man who on his own reveals the truth behind "radicalisation" and the fact that it is nothing more than lefty appologist speak!!

If anyone has reason to be radicalised then it is this guy, and yet....................he isnt

so we can only be left with the thought that those who claim to be radicalised are merly hooking onto an excuse, ready made for them and enthusiatically promoted by the left.
whereas the reality is that those who do such things are nothing but vile, primitive, wahhhh i can do as i like trash that should be instantly expelled from the country...the same should be done for those who on getting here are "offended" by something we do...you have NO "right" to be offended...got that? and if you are ...well fcuk off..."
those creatures in volved in that "sharia patrol" incident here should have been put on the first plane to syria...and heaved out at 20,000 feet. parachutes are optional.......






The last British resident to be freed from Guantanamo Bay says people who are "angry about this country" should leave.

06:40, UK, Sunday 13 December 2015


Shaker Aamer, the last British resident held at Guantanamo Bay, has delivered a blunt message for Islamic extremists living in the UK to "get the hell out".

Mr Aamer, 48, returned to Britain in October after being held without charge for 13 years at the US military facility in Cuba.

During his time in captivity, Mr Aamer's lawyers said he was tortured and held in solitary confinement for 360 days.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, the father of four spoke out against extremists: "How can you give yourself the right to be living here in this country, and living with the people and acting like you are a normal person, and then you just walk in the street and try to kill people?"

He said Islam did not allow the killing of civilians: "Even if there is a war you cannot kill just anybody, you cannot kill kids, you cannot kill chaplains, you cannot just go in the street and get a knife and start stabbing people.


"If you are that angry about this country, you can get the hell out."

On the rift between Muslim and non-Muslims, he said: "It helps their (extremists) cause... if you keep looking at people like they are terrorists before they do anything, then you will push them towards violence."

Mr Aamer also said his period of detention will stay with him forever, even though his reunion with his family reunion "washed away the pain of 14 years".
Shaker Aamer


"It's always going to be in the back there in my mind, it's going to be sitting there, coming back from time to time," he said.

"It's a long period of experience and it can't be just gone."

Mr Aamer was originally detained in Afghanistan in 2001, accused of having links to al Qaeda. He was described in US military files as a "close associate of Osama bin Laden" who fought in the battle of Tora Bora.


However, Mr Aamer says he was doing charity work and in 2007 the allegations against him were dropped.

Mr Aamer is now expected to bring legal proceedings against the UK government over its alleged complicity in his mistreatment.



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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:41 pm

so, as on the other thread ...when some cretin tells you such and such a security activity will "radicalise " them

remember this guy...and understand that actually what it does is allow the scum to float to the surface, the detritus and vile criminals that are haboured without reservation amongst them, who think they can "do as they like and you cant touch us"

and who should be expelled or jailed for life in some deep dark and noisesome dungeon, away from the eyes ears and ken of civilised folk
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Post by Andy Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:05 pm

Lord Foul wrote:so, as on the other thread ...when some cretin tells you such and such a security  activity will "radicalise " them

remember this guy...and understand that actually what it does is allow the scum to float to the surface, the detritus and vile criminals that are haboured without reservation amongst them, who think they can "do as they like and you cant touch us"

and who should be expelled or jailed for life in some deep dark and noisesome dungeon, away from the eyes  ears and ken of civilised folk
As you correctly predicted , LF, there are always cretins ready to demonise all Muslims.
And our resident cretin duly obliged.
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Post by Andy Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:18 pm

What is worse is that it is possible to substitute Jews for Muslims,blacks out so the white Ayrians can rule supreme,internment camps and you have the far right ( including some on here) advocating a return to Hitler's empire of the 1930's.
Scary.
Britain fought against that.
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Post by Andy Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:52 pm

How can you determine whether a a person is a Muslim?It could be the white guy with short neat hair,suit and briefcase.

The Asian guy behind him might be a Christian.
It isn't on the passport and there is no obligation to reveal one's religion.
So what is YOUR solution to the conundrum, which should at least be vaguely lawful?
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Post by Andy Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:28 pm

And even the French are turning against the far right

. French far right Front National 'routed' in key vote. - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35088276
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Absolutely bloody brilliant!

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:46 pm

It must be terrible to be french atm...

caught between a rock and a hard place

between suicide on one hand and idiocy on the other

looks like they opted for suicide.....
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They opted for sense.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:57 pm

hmmm...I'll remind you of that next time.....
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Post by Andy Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:01 pm

Lord Foul wrote:hmmm...I'll remind you of that next time.....
They still remember their occupation by jack-booted, strutting far right wingers.
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:04 pm

and have quickly forgotten how close thay are to being occupied by pyjama wearing strutting islamists??
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Post by Guest Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:04 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:hmmm...I'll remind you of that next time.....
They still remember their occupation by jack-booted, strutting far right wingers.

Exactly, why get rid of Hitler and let in his political successors.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:08 pm

and before you go pffft


who's going to stop em

you lot...leftys??

who are too frigging scared to lock choudrey up properly, too damn scared to chuck him out. along with his rag tag bunch of hangers on
who are too damn scared to immediately deny re-entry to those swanning off to syria to learn an entirely unacceptable new skill set??

who are suggesting our police shouldnt be so effective at arresting people, becasue 35% of em are being charged...
 nah...I think I'll go pfffft first
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Post by Guest Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:13 pm

Oh do change the record.  Too scared to lock up Choudrey?  The law of the land has to be followed, so that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service.

And the Conservatives are the ones who are in charge of letting people back into the country or not, and have been for the last 5.5 years in case you haven't noticed.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:26 pm

sassy wrote:Oh do change the record.  Too scared to lock up Choudrey?  The law of the land has to be followed, so that is up to the Crown Prosecution Service.

the law of the land provides for those who break bail to be jailed...he was prosecuted and its down to the judge...NOT the CPS...

And the Conservatives are the ones who are in charge of letting people back into the country or not, and have been for the last 5.5 years in case you haven't noticed.

and they are constrained by lefty leaning nut jobs who run our HR courts Rolling Eyes

in case you have been asleep for the past 50 years the judiciary is composed almost entirely of "champagne socilaists," playing their own nasty little game with parliament.

I have said for years, under many govts, that the whole judiciary from the least JP to the lord chief justice himself should be sacked, and replaced with people who will do the job properly.
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Post by Guest Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:27 pm

Yes of course they are Victor Rolling Eyes

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Lord Foul wrote:and before you go pffft


who's going to stop em

you lot...leftys??

who are too frigging scared to lock choudrey up properly, too damn scared to chuck him out. along with his rag tag bunch of hangers on
who are too damn scared to immediately deny re-entry to those swanning off to syria to learn an entirely unacceptable new skill set??

who are suggesting our police shouldnt be so effective at arresting people, becasue 35% of em are being charged...
 nah...I think I'll go pfffft first


Victor mate sadly a group within our society, not all lefties but the regressives would forsake these lands, if only just to spite everyone. They show the worst double standards, they never speak out if the racists are Muslims themselves mainly because they hold the same racist beliefs themselves against Israeli's. They forego equality and back beliefs claiming they are not bad, when they fundementally are, because they do not want to be seen to offend people.
Yet in the sam breath show the worst hypocrisy by having no problem if they offend people with other beliefs.

Glad you can see past them and why the left based on their daft absurd position where they want to bow down to terror and turn with their tails between their legs shows they have no comprehension of the etremist enemy which we not only face but also many Muslims themselves have to face. It is the left further dividing society and nothing as bad as the far right, who are just as vile. The fact the ISIS and other extremist groups are very much students of Von Clausewitz. They understand fundementally, that they have to be far more extreme than their enemy, to the point that the more extremne they are the more chance the other side will concede. They fail to grasp that we have to be far more extreme than our enemy, because look how effective their strategy has been so far going to the worst extremes. Like I say they understand Von Clausewitz very well. They are also cleary students of the absolute war between Germany and Russia, which was fought with again the worst extremes. That is why we will always continue to fail in this conflcit, as this enemy knows it will not negotitate and ultimately wants are way of life gone. If people think this is because of western policy, they know nothing of history. For example the Wahhabists were once terrorists within the Ottoman Empire and there was no colonalism 300 years ago in the Middle East and why the regressive lefts have no conception of the reosolve or goals of ISIS.

The only way to defeat an enemy who uses extreme methods is to be more extreme and we did so in WW2.
The Japanese for example also used extreme methods, with suicide bombing and naval and soldier charges. It took two atom bombs by going even more extreme to defeat them so harshly. The same with German conmpletely destroyed to the extremes at the end of WW2, that left both nations knowing that the resolve of their enemy was greater than theirs. So much so each nation has move on knowing it cannot defeat those willing to go more extreme than them. The Russians were extreme against the Germans and we went to the extremes with Japan.

We need to do the same here that the enemy is so utterly defeated and destroyed, they will be so broken knowing we can be worse, they will never attempt to rise up again. This may sound harsh but it is ultimately the only way to defeat such extremism, you have to go to leanghs in war far more extreme than theirs.


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Post by Guest Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:39 pm

Well sassy we know you know nothing of strategy other than to hand over our lands, but, it had to be said. Nobody wants to go to extremes, but we have had to before to win and it was so successful, Germany did not rise up a third time to fight the world

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Case in point, after WW1 Germany did not think or believe that they had been defeated and they believed others and blamed others for the surrender. They never were properly invaded in WW1, so again it gave off the belief others had conceded defeat, when it then allows for a false belief they could have won. This then led to the extremes of Nazism and Hitler, who had to be defeated with many extreme measures. So much so we ended up killing many Allied civillians in the cause to defeat the nazis, to the point they were utterly destroyed in the end. It shattered Germany and like I say they have never look to rise up against anyone ever since.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:02 pm

sassy wrote:Yes of course they are Victor Rolling Eyes

the last R/W leaning judge was the inestimable judge pickles

and YES sassy...the judiciary ARE playing a game with politicians and parliament and have been for years...

there is no other explanation for the consistant bizare nature of sentencing and the continual use of "discretion" (which effectively changes a law) by judges
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:06 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:and before you go pffft


who's going to stop em

you lot...leftys??

who are too frigging scared to lock choudrey up properly, too damn scared to chuck him out. along with his rag tag bunch of hangers on
who are too damn scared to immediately deny re-entry to those swanning off to syria to learn an entirely unacceptable new skill set??

who are suggesting our police shouldnt be so effective at arresting people, becasue 35% of em are being charged...
 nah...I think I'll go pfffft first


Victor mate sadly a group within our society, not all lefties but the regressives would forsake these lands, if only just to spite everyone. They show the worst double standards, they never speak out if the racists are Muslims themselves mainly because they hold the same racist beliefs themselves against Israeli's. They forego equality and back beliefs claiming they are not bad, when they fundementally are, because they do not want to be seen to offend people.
Yet in the sam breath show the worst hypocrisy by having no problem if they offend people with other beliefs.

Glad you can see past them and why the left based on their daft absurd position where they want to bow down to terror and turn with their tails between their legs shows they have no comprehension of the etremist enemy which we not only face but also many Muslims themselves have to face. It is the left further dividing society and nothing as bad as the far right, who are just as vile. The fact the ISIS and other extremist groups are very much students of Von Clausewitz. They understand fundementally, that they have to be far more extreme than their enemy, to the point that the more extremne they are the more chance the other side will concede. They fail to grasp that we have to be far more extreme than our enemy, because look how effective their strategy has been so far going to the worst extremes. Like I say they understand Von Clausewitz very well. They are also cleary students of the absolute war between Germany and Russia, which was fought with again the worst extremes. That is why we will always continue to fail in this conflcit, as this enemy knows it will not negotitate and ultimately wants are way of life gone. If people think this is because of western policy, they know nothing of history. For example the Wahhabists were once terrorists within the Ottoman Empire and there was no colonalism 300 years ago in the Middle East and why the regressive lefts have no conception of the reosolve or goals of ISIS.

The only way to defeat an enemy who uses extreme methods is to be more extreme and we did so in WW2.
The Japanese for example also used extreme methods, with suicide bombing and naval and soldier charges. It took two atom bombs by going even more extreme to defeat them so harshly. The same with German conmpletely destroyed to the extremes at the end of WW2, that left both nations knowing that the resolve of their enemy was greater than theirs. So much so each nation has move on knowing it cannot defeat those willing to go more extreme than them. The Russians were extreme against the Germans and we went to the extremes with Japan.

We need to do the same here that the enemy is so utterly defeated and destroyed, they will be so broken knowing we can be worse, they will never attempt to rise up again. This may sound harsh but it is ultimately the only way to defeat such extremism, you have to go to leanghs in war far more extreme than theirs.

you will probably recall that a while ago I asked why we should be "better than them", and said we should fight fire with fire...

the concept of "no quarter" has its place in military strategy, something THEY understand only too well....

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Victor mate sadly a group within our society, not all lefties but the regressives would forsake these lands, if only just to spite everyone. They show the worst double standards, they never speak out if the racists are Muslims themselves mainly because they hold the same racist beliefs themselves against Israeli's. They forego equality and back beliefs claiming they are not bad, when they fundementally are, because they do not want to be seen to offend people.
Yet in the sam breath show the worst hypocrisy by having no problem if they offend people with other beliefs.

Glad you can see past them and why the left based on their daft absurd position where they want to bow down to terror and turn with their tails between their legs shows they have no comprehension of the etremist enemy which we not only face but also many Muslims themselves have to face. It is the left further dividing society and nothing as bad as the far right, who are just as vile. The fact the ISIS and other extremist groups are very much students of Von Clausewitz. They understand fundementally, that they have to be far more extreme than their enemy, to the point that the more extremne they are the more chance the other side will concede. They fail to grasp that we have to be far more extreme than our enemy, because look how effective their strategy has been so far going to the worst extremes. Like I say they understand Von Clausewitz very well. They are also cleary students of the absolute war between Germany and Russia, which was fought with again the worst extremes. That is why we will always continue to fail in this conflcit, as this enemy knows it will not negotitate and ultimately wants are way of life gone. If people think this is because of western policy, they know nothing of history. For example the Wahhabists were once terrorists within the Ottoman Empire and there was no colonalism 300 years ago in the Middle East and why the regressive lefts have no conception of the reosolve or goals of ISIS.

The only way to defeat an enemy who uses extreme methods is to be more extreme and we did so in WW2.
The Japanese for example also used extreme methods, with suicide bombing and naval and soldier charges. It took two atom bombs by going even more extreme to defeat them so harshly. The same with German conmpletely destroyed to the extremes at the end of WW2, that left both nations knowing that the resolve of their enemy was greater than theirs. So much so each nation has move on knowing it cannot defeat those willing to go more extreme than them. The Russians were extreme against the Germans and we went to the extremes with Japan.

We need to do the same here that the enemy is so utterly defeated and destroyed, they will be so broken knowing we can be worse, they will never attempt to rise up again. This may sound harsh but it is ultimately the only way to defeat such extremism, you have to go to leanghs in war far more extreme than theirs.

you will probably recall that a while ago I asked why we should be "better than them", and said we should fight fire with fire...

the concept of "no quarter" has its place in military strategy, something THEY understand only too well....



Completely agree

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PC game...shadow of the horned rat...

scenario: alliance victory

cavalry officer   "commander the enemy is routed"

commander    "FINISH THEM"
cut scene: fleeing enemy being ridden down by armoured horse........


Total war
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