'Mass grave' in Muslim-majority province shocks Kenya

by Guest Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:51 am

Kenyan security forces are being blamed for carrying out another alleged round of extrajudicial murders of Muslims in the country's North Eastern Province

The discovery of yet another alleged mass grave in Kenya’s Muslim-majority North Eastern Province has sent shockwaves throughout the country, where Kenyan security forces are already facing criticism for their suspected roles in extrajudicial killings.
On Sunday, Kenyan security forces discovered at least a dozen graves on the outskirts of Mandera town in the province while they were searching for a missing mother of five.
A senior senator from the area and local residents alleged that the graves in fact belonged to Muslim victims killed by Kenyan security forces themselves.
“One of the women [victims at the gravesite] has been identified; she was arrested by people who introduced themselves as the Kenya police, I really don’t know who is fooling who, but as Muslims we are living in fear,” Abdi Fatah, a resident from Mandera town, told Anadolu Agency via telephone.
“We have been crying that we are being targeted, but report after report, no one comes to our aid; all the human rights groups have said that this is happening,” Fatah said.
Mandera Senator Billow Kerrow also strongly condemned the murders, dismissing security forces' assessments of “clan conflicts” as a possible reason behind the killings.
“I want to express my utter disgust and condemnation of the extrajudicial killings by our security agents once again,” Kerrow said.
“The discovery of mass graves in Mandera yesterday evening is a clear indication that this evil process of extermination of suspects in total disregard of due process is the norm rather the exception,” he added.
He also said that leaders from Mandera County will meet Monday to plan their course of action, noting the fact that at least 12 graves had been found at the site so far.
“Clearly, this has gone too far and must stop. It’s time we say no, not just as leaders but as a society too.”
Kenyan police denied the allegations.
“Anybody who could have perpetrated such an atrocity must face the full face of the law, I am trying to ask the commanders where the mass graves are situated, for now we are not aware of any mass graves but have received reports of the bodies being found in Mandera,” police spokesman said.
This is not the first time that state security forces have been put on the spot for allegedly carrying out extrajudicial killings; some key findings from a 2014 UN report also noted that since 2010 there have been a large number of extrajudicial killings in the country.
In August, Muslim human rights activists also released reports saying that over 100 young Muslim men went missing in Mandera county alone after they were arrested by security officers; most are feared to have been killed off extrajudicially.

http://aa.com.tr/en/africa/mass-grave-in-Muslim-majority-province-shocks-kenya/487032

Amazing how little gets into the UK press when those killed are Muslim. All those killed and trafficked in Burma and found in mass graves got very little air time.

by Tommy Monk Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:43 pm

Only around 12 remains found.... and more likely victims of Muslims

by Guest Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:51 pm

the graves in fact belonged to Muslim victims killed by Kenyan security forces

DOH

by Tommy Monk Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:39 pm

Really...?

Don't see any evidence of that in the article. ... plus not even a mass grave as also claimed...

by Guest Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Really...?

Don't see any evidence of that in the article. ... plus not even a mass grave as also claimed...

It came from the article, put your glasses on. So 12 isn't a mass grave? You obviously think it's normal to have 12 people buried. Sigh.

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:08 pm

It's probably not because it's about Muslims, but because it's about Kenya.

by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:20 pm

Says about 12 remains found in graves... not that a single mass grave has been found.

Don't hear a peep out of you about this though sassy...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/12/mass-grave-yazidis-iraq-tells-horror-story/75640706/

Or this...

http://m.christianpost.com/news/isis-releases-execution-video-of-1700-iraqi-recruits-found-in-mass-graves-in-tikrit-141568/

I wonder why?

by Guest Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:38 pm

You have missed by posts about Yemen then?

And we have all displayed horror at the atrocities committed by ISIS.

Do that preclude us from feeling horror of other atrocities?

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:35 pm

This op is not credible as it contradicts itself... claims mass grave headline but then says separate graves... then has no evidence on any other details about any of graves or remains, nothing about age of graves, nothing about anything really...

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:36 pm

Fuck off Tommy, not in the mood to deal with ignorant idiots tonight.

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:28 pm

How do you bear your own company. .?

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:How do you bear your own company. .?

By being articulate and enjoying life, that doesn't mean to say I have to put up with fools.

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:17 am

It probably has shocked Kenya, but do people in Kenya give a toss about what's happening in the UK? I don't know why you expect everyone to spend every waking moment being shocked about every single bad thing Sassy.

by Major Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:55 am

sassy wrote:Fuck off Tommy, not in the mood to deal with ignorant idiots tonight.

Your rudeness and foul mouth, sassy.

During my forum experience I have noticed that 'trolls' behave in the despicable manner which you do, please stop it.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:04 am

Raggamuffin wrote:It probably has shocked Kenya, but do people in Kenya give a toss about what's happening in the UK? I don't know why you expect everyone to spend every waking moment being shocked about every single bad thing Sassy.

That's the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard you say, as you seem to spend a great deal of time being shocked and scared by things that might happen to you. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:06 am

Stormee wrote:
sassy wrote:Fuck off Tommy, not in the mood to deal with ignorant idiots tonight.

Your rudeness and foul mouth, sassy.

During my forum experience I have noticed that 'trolls' behave in the despicable manner which you do, please stop it.

As I think you fit the definition of a racist troll trying to stir up hate in so many of your posts, I'm afraid your opinions don't impact on my thoughts in any way and it's a waste of your time expressing them.

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:18 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It probably has shocked Kenya, but do people in Kenya give a toss about what's happening in the UK? I don't know why you expect everyone to spend every waking moment being shocked about every single bad thing Sassy.

That's the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard you say, as you seem to spend a great deal of time being shocked and scared by things that might happen to you.

Do I? I've said that I understand why some people are scared of terrorism. That's because I'm not as intolerant of people's fears as you are. Besides, as you said, it would impact me. I can't spend all my time worrying about Kenya, any more than the Kenyans spend all their time worrying about what's happening in the UK.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:20 am

Then don't read the thread, and don't read a thread about anything else anywhere in the world, just stick to UK threads lol

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:24 am

sassy wrote:Then don't read the thread, and don't read a thread about anything else anywhere in the world, just stick to UK threads lol

I'm busy doing some detective work on the San Bernardino shootings actually. rabbit

If you don't want people to comment on threads you start, don't start them.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:02 am

I don't expect people to comment if they are not interested, coming on a thread and saying you are not interested rather defeats the object. Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:24 am

sassy wrote:I don't expect people to comment if they are not interested, coming on a thread and saying you are not interested rather defeats the object.

I didn't actually say that though.

I've been referring to the point you made in your first post.

Amazing how little gets into the UK press when those killed are Muslim. All those killed and trafficked in Burma and found in mass graves got very little air time.

I said that the lack of info in the UK press is probably because it happened in Kenya, not because they were Muslims. If some bodies been found in the UK, would it be all over the press in Kenya? People are generally more interested in things which happen in their own countries. Of course it's awful that those people have been killed for whatever reason.

The one event in Kenya which does interest me greatly is the murder of Lord Erroll, but that was back in 1941.

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