How Unprecedented Is the Mass Migration of Peoples Today?

The New York Times published a recent article by Rod Nordland, entitled, “A Mass Migration Crisis, and It May Yet Get Worse.” Recognizing that the worldwide mass migration crisis can get worse is vitally important, but understanding the devastation of past mass migration crises is also important if leaders and citizens are to apply the most humane responses to relieve current conditions.

Population geneticists have studied human mass migrations and have information about what we call ancient history and even pre-history. So I hoped geneticists would weigh in on the current worldwide mass migration question, but since they have not – as yet – I, as someone who has worked with population geneticists and read their research and their books, will.

The New York Times article says the migration of millions of people heralds a new age. It is a new age but not a new crisis. The Times reported that at 60 million the current crisis of refugees pouring from the Middle East and Africa into Europe signals a new age because there are now more human refugees in the world “than at any other time in recorded history.” 60 million is a major crisis, but taken as a percentage, it is comparable to earlier mass migration crises that challenged or devastated previous people and places. Given the population of more than 7 billion in the world today, 60 million is 0.85 percent of the world’s total population. Other eras had equal and higher percentages of mass migrants. And humans survived, settled, and prevailed.

Population geneticists recorded earlier times of mass migrations and settlements on all continents, and those crises are imprinted on our human DNA. Geneticists distinguish between intercontinental mass migrations that increased with new transportation around 1500, and earlier intracontinental migrations of indigenous people. They identify three intercontinental mass migrations:

1. “The movement of modern humans from Africa to Asia,” estimated to be as long ago as 100,000 years ago.

2. “The arrival of modern humans in Australia,” believed to be about 60,000 years ago.

And 3. “The entry into Europe [that] occurred about 45,000 years ago,” corresponding with the disappearance of the Neanderthals. These migrations were caused by upheavals in the environment and conflicts among people.

The New York Times article says the current mass migrations are a result of “failed states, unending wars, intractable conflicts.” Humans are fleeing because of “persecution, poverty, ethnic and religious strife and war.” This was the case, according to geneticists, in ancient times as well. But so were natural and environmental disasters. The reporter describes how climate change is roiling societies, and explains that Syria is gripped by a prolonged drought that began before the never-ending war. The detail in the article that also caught my attention is the description of the large parts of sub-Saharan Africa that are becoming uninhabitable.

This reminder about uninhabitable environments is one that harks back to earlier generations. When I did my family’s genealogy and did DNA comparisons, I discovered my own connections to mass migrations and human DNA history.

When Roots DNA in London used the Cambridge University database to trace my DNA, the geneticists informed me that because my DNA and my father’s DNA, traced by the geneticists, Dr. Michael Hammer and Dr. Elizabeth Wood, of the Human Evolutionary Genetics Lab at the University of Arizona, matched a small minority of humans who are almost extinct, our DNA was rare. Some of our DNA matches were found only in people living in refugee camps across Africa and the Middle East. They said the majority of West Africans and African American descendants have maternal mitochondrial DNA classified as haplogroup L1 and L2, but mine is haplogroup L3. They explained that haplogroup was the small group of ancient humans who migrated in-and-out of Africa 60,000 to 100,000 years ago.

My family’s DNA is unique, not only in terms of African and ancient human mass migrations, but in terms of colonial and modern Western world migrations. Geneticists say the mass movement of humans from Africa to the Americas during slavery was the largest example of “mass migration or colonization” of people moving from one continent to another. I read books such as L.L. Cavalli-Sforza’s, The History and Geography of Human Genes, to understand the full meaning, not only of human DNA, history and the interblending of modern people who migrated and settled, but of ancient human conflicts and mass migrations. So the news of the current migration crisis, the movement of people from war-torn Syria, other places in the Middle East, and other environmentally and economically devastated parts of the world to more habitable places – is reminiscent of human history, as told by the geneticists.

Our entire DNA tells a story of migrations, wars, conquests, settlements, resettlements, and man-made and natural crises. Population geneticists tell a story of human origin, migration, blending and survival. When I traced the first millennium migration of my main African ancestors, the Asante, Fante and Akuapem people of Ghana, I tracked how these ancient ancestors were soldiers and farmers to the kings of Ancient Ghana, before they migrated south. The Asante and Fante Akan people resided in the north when it was a rain forest, before the region was parched by droughts and became the Sahara Desert.

Population geneticists also describe the impact of mass migrations on the Bantu, when farmers and soldiers invaded, conquered and settled with indigenous hunter-gathering people in Africa.

After I completed researching my major West African Ghanaian Akan ancestors, I researched the smaller minor groups of indigenous people my Akan ancestors – the Asantes and Fantes – conquered, settled and blended. When I telephoned an Asante ancestral relative now living in Brooklyn, New York to ask to interview his Guan wife, he said she could not speak to me, because when they were married, she agreed never again to speak of her Guan ancestry. The Guans are a small ancestral group of indigenous people and farmers who blended with my Akan ancestors. They became the people of Akuapem when Akan soldiers conquered them and settled with them on their farms. When I researched my Guan ancestors, I discovered that some Guan groups and other small indigenous groups were not counted in the Ghana Census.

Mass migration, like conquest, is complex, so we need to view the current mass migrations in terms of what is shown in our DNA. We are all interblended, interconnected with human groups who migrated and settled before. What formerly was lost to history can now be recovered with the help of DNA.

- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161127#sthash.xCUcEa83.dpuf

I will not even try to answer this as it is TOTALLY irrelevant.

The only relevancy is that which is happening TODAY on our island and countries around us.

ALL MUZZIZ OUT.

Stormee wrote:I will not even try to answer this as it is TOTALLY irrelevant.

The only relevancy is that which is happening TODAY on our island and countries around us.

ALL MUZZIZ OUT.

Nice. Think you could just use the term "Muslims" to refer to Muslims?

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/13fkha/can_we_stop_using_the_word_muzzie_its_not_funny/?

Can we still call you Yank?

nicko wrote:Can we still call you Yank?

Yep.

Didge wrote:The New York Times published a recent article by Rod Nordland, entitled, “A Mass Migration Crisis, and It May Yet Get Worse.” Recognizing that the worldwide mass migration crisis can get worse is vitally important, but understanding the devastation of past mass migration crises is also important if leaders and citizens are to apply the most humane responses to relieve current conditions.

Population geneticists have studied human mass migrations and have information about what we call ancient history and even pre-history. So I hoped geneticists would weigh in on the current worldwide mass migration question, but since they have not – as yet – I, as someone who has worked with population geneticists and read their research and their books, will.

The New York Times article says the migration of millions of people heralds a new age. It is a new age but not a new crisis. The Times reported that at 60 million the current crisis of refugees pouring from the Middle East and Africa into Europe signals a new age because there are now more human refugees in the world “than at any other time in recorded history.” 60 million is a major crisis, but taken as a percentage, it is comparable to earlier mass migration crises that challenged or devastated previous people and places. Given the population of more than 7 billion in the world today, 60 million is 0.85 percent of the world’s total population. Other eras had equal and higher percentages of mass migrants. And humans survived, settled, and prevailed.

Population geneticists recorded earlier times of mass migrations and settlements on all continents, and those crises are imprinted on our human DNA. Geneticists distinguish between intercontinental mass migrations that increased with new transportation around 1500, and earlier intracontinental migrations of indigenous people. They identify three intercontinental mass migrations:

1. “The movement of modern humans from Africa to Asia,” estimated to be as long ago as 100,000 years ago.

2. “The arrival of modern humans in Australia,” believed to be about 60,000 years ago.

And 3. “The entry into Europe [that] occurred about 45,000 years ago,” corresponding with the disappearance of the Neanderthals. These migrations were caused by upheavals in the environment and conflicts among people.

The New York Times article says the current mass migrations are a result of “failed states, unending wars, intractable conflicts.” Humans are fleeing because of “persecution, poverty, ethnic and religious strife and war.” This was the case, according to geneticists, in ancient times as well. But so were natural and environmental disasters. The reporter describes how climate change is roiling societies, and explains that Syria is gripped by a prolonged drought that began before the never-ending war. The detail in the article that also caught my attention is the description of the large parts of sub-Saharan Africa that are becoming uninhabitable.

This reminder about uninhabitable environments is one that harks back to earlier generations. When I did my family’s genealogy and did DNA comparisons, I discovered my own connections to mass migrations and human DNA history.

When Roots DNA in London used the Cambridge University database to trace my DNA, the geneticists informed me that because my DNA and my father’s DNA, traced by the geneticists, Dr. Michael Hammer and Dr. Elizabeth Wood, of the Human Evolutionary Genetics Lab at the University of Arizona, matched a small minority of humans who are almost extinct, our DNA was rare. Some of our DNA matches were found only in people living in refugee camps across Africa and the Middle East. They said the majority of West Africans and African American descendants have maternal mitochondrial DNA classified as haplogroup L1 and L2, but mine is haplogroup L3. They explained that haplogroup was the small group of ancient humans who migrated in-and-out of Africa 60,000 to 100,000 years ago.

My family’s DNA is unique, not only in terms of African and ancient human mass migrations, but in terms of colonial and modern Western world migrations. Geneticists say the mass movement of humans from Africa to the Americas during slavery was the largest example of “mass migration or colonization” of people moving from one continent to another. I read books such as L.L. Cavalli-Sforza’s, The History and Geography of Human Genes, to understand the full meaning, not only of human DNA, history and the interblending of modern people who migrated and settled, but of ancient human conflicts and mass migrations. So the news of the current migration crisis, the movement of people from war-torn Syria, other places in the Middle East, and other environmentally and economically devastated parts of the world to more habitable places – is reminiscent of human history, as told by the geneticists.

Our entire DNA tells a story of migrations, wars, conquests, settlements, resettlements, and man-made and natural crises. Population geneticists tell a story of human origin, migration, blending and survival. When I traced the first millennium migration of my main African ancestors, the Asante, Fante and Akuapem people of Ghana, I tracked how these ancient ancestors were soldiers and farmers to the kings of Ancient Ghana, before they migrated south. The Asante and Fante Akan people resided in the north when it was a rain forest, before the region was parched by droughts and became the Sahara Desert.

Population geneticists also describe the impact of mass migrations on the Bantu, when farmers and soldiers invaded, conquered and settled with indigenous hunter-gathering people in Africa.

After I completed researching my major West African Ghanaian Akan ancestors, I researched the smaller minor groups of indigenous people my Akan ancestors – the Asantes and Fantes – conquered, settled and blended. When I telephoned an Asante ancestral relative now living in Brooklyn, New York to ask to interview his Guan wife, he said she could not speak to me, because when they were married, she agreed never again to speak of her Guan ancestry. The Guans are a small ancestral group of indigenous people and farmers who blended with my Akan ancestors. They became the people of Akuapem when Akan soldiers conquered them and settled with them on their farms. When I researched my Guan ancestors, I discovered that some Guan groups and other small indigenous groups were not counted in the Ghana Census.

Mass migration, like conquest, is complex, so we need to view the current mass migrations in terms of what is shown in our DNA. We are all interblended, interconnected with human groups who migrated and settled before. What formerly was lost to history can now be recovered with the help of DNA.

- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161127#sthash.xCUcEa83.dpuf

You could have made that a bit more concise and just typed ' Irrelevant Bollocks'.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:The New York Times published a recent article by Rod Nordland, entitled, “A Mass Migration Crisis, and It May Yet Get Worse.” Recognizing that the worldwide mass migration crisis can get worse is vitally important, but understanding the devastation of past mass migration crises is also important if leaders and citizens are to apply the most humane responses to relieve current conditions.

Population geneticists have studied human mass migrations and have information about what we call ancient history and even pre-history. So I hoped geneticists would weigh in on the current worldwide mass migration question, but since they have not – as yet – I, as someone who has worked with population geneticists and read their research and their books, will.

The New York Times article says the migration of millions of people heralds a new age. It is a new age but not a new crisis. The Times reported that at 60 million the current crisis of refugees pouring from the Middle East and Africa into Europe signals a new age because there are now more human refugees in the world “than at any other time in recorded history.” 60 million is a major crisis, but taken as a percentage, it is comparable to earlier mass migration crises that challenged or devastated previous people and places. Given the population of more than 7 billion in the world today, 60 million is 0.85 percent of the world’s total population. Other eras had equal and higher percentages of mass migrants. And humans survived, settled, and prevailed.

Population geneticists recorded earlier times of mass migrations and settlements on all continents, and those crises are imprinted on our human DNA. Geneticists distinguish between intercontinental mass migrations that increased with new transportation around 1500, and earlier intracontinental migrations of indigenous people. They identify three intercontinental mass migrations:

1. “The movement of modern humans from Africa to Asia,” estimated to be as long ago as 100,000 years ago.

2. “The arrival of modern humans in Australia,” believed to be about 60,000 years ago.

And 3. “The entry into Europe [that] occurred about 45,000 years ago,” corresponding with the disappearance of the Neanderthals. These migrations were caused by upheavals in the environment and conflicts among people.

The New York Times article says the current mass migrations are a result of “failed states, unending wars, intractable conflicts.” Humans are fleeing because of “persecution, poverty, ethnic and religious strife and war.” This was the case, according to geneticists, in ancient times as well. But so were natural and environmental disasters. The reporter describes how climate change is roiling societies, and explains that Syria is gripped by a prolonged drought that began before the never-ending war. The detail in the article that also caught my attention is the description of the large parts of sub-Saharan Africa that are becoming uninhabitable.

This reminder about uninhabitable environments is one that harks back to earlier generations. When I did my family’s genealogy and did DNA comparisons, I discovered my own connections to mass migrations and human DNA history.

When Roots DNA in London used the Cambridge University database to trace my DNA, the geneticists informed me that because my DNA and my father’s DNA, traced by the geneticists, Dr. Michael Hammer and Dr. Elizabeth Wood, of the Human Evolutionary Genetics Lab at the University of Arizona, matched a small minority of humans who are almost extinct, our DNA was rare. Some of our DNA matches were found only in people living in refugee camps across Africa and the Middle East. They said the majority of West Africans and African American descendants have maternal mitochondrial DNA classified as haplogroup L1 and L2, but mine is haplogroup L3. They explained that haplogroup was the small group of ancient humans who migrated in-and-out of Africa 60,000 to 100,000 years ago.

My family’s DNA is unique, not only in terms of African and ancient human mass migrations, but in terms of colonial and modern Western world migrations. Geneticists say the mass movement of humans from Africa to the Americas during slavery was the largest example of “mass migration or colonization” of people moving from one continent to another. I read books such as L.L. Cavalli-Sforza’s, The History and Geography of Human Genes, to understand the full meaning, not only of human DNA, history and the interblending of modern people who migrated and settled, but of ancient human conflicts and mass migrations. So the news of the current migration crisis, the movement of people from war-torn Syria, other places in the Middle East, and other environmentally and economically devastated parts of the world to more habitable places – is reminiscent of human history, as told by the geneticists.

Our entire DNA tells a story of migrations, wars, conquests, settlements, resettlements, and man-made and natural crises. Population geneticists tell a story of human origin, migration, blending and survival. When I traced the first millennium migration of my main African ancestors, the Asante, Fante and Akuapem people of Ghana, I tracked how these ancient ancestors were soldiers and farmers to the kings of Ancient Ghana, before they migrated south. The Asante and Fante Akan people resided in the north when it was a rain forest, before the region was parched by droughts and became the Sahara Desert.

Population geneticists also describe the impact of mass migrations on the Bantu, when farmers and soldiers invaded, conquered and settled with indigenous hunter-gathering people in Africa.

After I completed researching my major West African Ghanaian Akan ancestors, I researched the smaller minor groups of indigenous people my Akan ancestors – the Asantes and Fantes – conquered, settled and blended. When I telephoned an Asante ancestral relative now living in Brooklyn, New York to ask to interview his Guan wife, he said she could not speak to me, because when they were married, she agreed never again to speak of her Guan ancestry. The Guans are a small ancestral group of indigenous people and farmers who blended with my Akan ancestors. They became the people of Akuapem when Akan soldiers conquered them and settled with them on their farms. When I researched my Guan ancestors, I discovered that some Guan groups and other small indigenous groups were not counted in the Ghana Census.

Mass migration, like conquest, is complex, so we need to view the current mass migrations in terms of what is shown in our DNA. We are all interblended, interconnected with human groups who migrated and settled before. What formerly was lost to history can now be recovered with the help of DNA.

- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161127#sthash.xCUcEa83.dpuf

You could have made that a bit more concise and just typed ' Irrelevant Bollocks'.

Sorry I fogot some uneducated people read these threads and thus cannot comprehend what is being said.

Please accept my apologies and to make up for this I shall start a thread for you to do some finger painting on.

interesting article didge


but i might add ...except in really primitive times (and possibly even then) NOT without war as a consequence....even IF the war was merely two tribes chucking spears at one another....

I do not doubt that Victor.
I think many more people should have DNA tested to show where the ancestry comes from. As I expect many will be surprised at the many different areas of the globe their descendents come from.

Freedom of movement is a basic human right.

the right to life i might remind you is even MORE basic....
AND the right to NOT have MY life disturbed by "someone elses problems" trumps their right to "freedom of movement...
the right to freedom of movement is NOT an unfettered right, it is conditional upon those moving NOT interfering with thiose amongst whom they move...and spare me the history lesson....

Lord Foul wrote:the right to life i might remind you is even MORE basic....
AND the right to NOT have MY life disturbed by "someone elses problems" trumps their right to "freedom of movement...
the right to freedom of movement is NOT an unfettered right, it is conditional upon those moving NOT interfering with thiose amongst whom they move...and spare me the history lesson....

The right to freedom of movement doesn't imply the right to interfere with those amongst whom they move ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:Freedom of movement is a basic human right.

Especially when someone else is paying for that move no doubt.

as i said...spare me the history lesson...

I'm NOT responsible for what my ancestors did

and I would support a total non intervention policy in regional matters...

As I have said before...I dont give a damn that old Bashar is murdering his own...let em get on with it

I didnt really care that sadam was gassing kurds and invading kuwait

You may have noticed I post little on the israel/vs palestine threads..., becasue as my sig says ...I dont give a shit...

BUT by the same token ...DONT expect me to take any kind of "hit" as a result of that non intervention...e.g refugees by the million....

Plus you don't seem to apply that to English people who moved to Northern Ireland, for example.

Raggamuffin wrote:Plus you don't seem to apply that to English people who moved to Northern Ireland, for example.

They didn't just move there though, did they?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:the right to life i might remind you is even MORE basic....
AND the right to NOT have MY life disturbed by "someone elses problems" trumps their right to "freedom of movement...
the right to freedom of movement is NOT an unfettered right, it is conditional upon those moving NOT interfering with thiose amongst whom they move...and spare me the history lesson....

The right to freedom of movement doesn't imply the right to interfere with those amongst whom they move ...

OR alternatively, if i have misread/misunderstood you post here....

then try telling THAT to those who wish to./have already moved here.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Plus you don't seem to apply that to English people who moved to Northern Ireland, for example.

They didn't just move there though, did they?

I expect you approve of the people from NI who moved here and blew up a load of civilians though.

Lord Foul wrote:as i said...spare me the history lesson...

I'm NOT responsible for what my ancestors did

and I would support a total non intervention policy in regional matters...

As I have said before...I dont give a damn that old Bashar is murdering his own...let em get on with it

I didnt really care that sadam was gassing kurds and invading kuwait

You may have noticed I post little on the israel/vs palestine threads..., becasue as my sig says ...I dont give a shit...

BUT by the same token ...DONT expect me to take any kind of "hit" as a result of that non intervention...e.g refugees by the million....

You're not even responsible for who your ancestors were, Vic. Think about that!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Plus you don't seem to apply that to English people who moved to Northern Ireland, for example.

They didn't just move there though, did they?

I expect you approve of the people from NI who moved here and blew up a load of civilians though.

I don't know how else to say this so you finally get it -- I don't support violence for political goals.

AT THE SAME TIME -- you don't conquer a country and just expect all the natives to accept it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I expect you approve of the people from NI who moved here and blew up a load of civilians though.

I don't know how else to say this so you finally get it -- I don't support violence for political goals.

AT THE SAME TIME -- you don't conquer a country and just expect all the natives to accept it.

Well the yanks expected that didn't they?

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:the right to life i might remind you is even MORE basic....
AND the right to NOT have MY life disturbed by "someone elses problems" trumps their right to "freedom of movement...
the right to freedom of movement is NOT an unfettered right, it is conditional upon those moving NOT interfering with thiose amongst whom they move...and spare me the history lesson....

The right to freedom of movement doesn't imply the right to interfere with those amongst whom they move ...

OR alternatively, if i have misread/misunderstood you post here....

then try telling THAT to those who wish to./have already moved here.

If I get in my car, drive to someone's house, break their windows with a bat and steal their belongings, do you take away my car keys or my bat?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I expect you approve of the people from NI who moved here and blew up a load of civilians though.

I don't know how else to say this so you finally get it -- I don't support violence for political goals.

AT THE SAME TIME -- you don't conquer a country and just expect all the natives to accept it.

Well the yanks expected that didn't they?

Not for long.

So you think people should expect violence, but that violence is wrong. Make up your mind. I suspect that you waiver between the two, depending on who the violence is against.

Raggamuffin wrote:So you think people should expect violence, but that violence is wrong.

Ding ding ding ding ding, we finally have a winner! Condemning violence while expecting a wronged nation to produce violent people is not a contradiction.

Make up your mind. I suspect that you waiver between the two, depending on who the violence is against.

Nope! If someone hits me, I want to hit them back and they should expect that they took that risk -- that doesn't make it right for me to hit them back.

Do you really find this so complicated?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So you think people should expect violence, but that violence is wrong.

Ding ding ding ding ding, we finally have a winner! Condemning violence while expecting a wronged nation to produce violent people is not a contradiction.

Make up your mind. I suspect that you waiver between the two, depending on who the violence is against.

Nope! If someone hits me, I want to hit them back and they should expect that they took that risk -- that doesn't make it right for me to hit them back.

Do you really find this so complicated?

But you do think it was fine for the IRA to use violence, don't you?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

OR alternatively, if i have misread/misunderstood you post here....

then try telling THAT to those who wish to./have already moved here.

If I get in my car, drive to someone's house, break their windows with a bat and steal their belongings, do you take away my car keys or my bat?

in any sane world ....BOTH

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So you think people should expect violence, but that violence is wrong.

Ding ding ding ding ding, we finally have a winner! Condemning violence while expecting a wronged nation to produce violent people is not a contradiction.

Make up your mind. I suspect that you waiver between the two, depending on who the violence is against.

Nope! If someone hits me, I want to hit them back and they should expect that they took that risk -- that doesn't make it right for me to hit them back.

Do you really find this so complicated?

why the fuck not?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!