Israeli Father and Son die in terrorist attack. Terror victim surviving son: Red Crescent ambulance saw us, drove away

A Israeli teenager wounded in Friday afternoon’s deadly terror attack in the West Bank told the emergency services hotline that a Red Crescent ambulance drove on past him and his dead and injured relatives, despite having seen them. The recording of the call made by the 16-year-old after his 40-year-old father and 18-year-old were shot dead near the settlement of Otniel was played on Israeli television on Friday night. The boy, his mother and three sisters were evacuated to the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba. The boy suffered shrapnel wounds to his lower body and his mother and sisters were treated for shock.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/terror-victim-red-crescent-ambulance-saw-us-drove-away/



If this is true, it is disgusting and applling beyond belief.
Again further proof of an institutional system that teaches hate of the Jews throughout the Palestinian territories? I shall remember now for future refernece when someone uses as evidence any claim from those who are of the Red Crescent as unreliable if not back up by refutable sources.

Israeli Army and non-Army paraamedics have actually saved the lives of countless Palestinian terrorist attackers. They make no distiniction, when it comes to doing their job, that of saving lives. In fact a new treatment helped saved one of the Palestinian terrorists who would have died if not for the Amry Paramedic.





Israeli army medics spared no effort or expense in order to save the life of one of two Palestinians who stabbed a Border Police officer at Tapuah Junction in the West Bank on Friday, a medical officer who was on the scene said Sunday. While one of the attackers had already died by the time his team arrived, one of Lt. Moshe Cohen’s paramedics used an expensive, cutting-edge plasma treatment to keep the second man alive when he was on his “last breaths,” Cohen said.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spared-no-expense-treating-palestinian-stabber/

How about that Sassy?

What a couple of hypocrites you are.

IDF shoot schoolgirls and hold back ambulances until they die.

IDF run over protesters (who have a hell of a lot to protest about) and pepper spray medics to stop them helping the victim

IDF storm a hospital, execute a visiting relative and take away a badly injured man (against the Geneva Convention)

not a word

Red Crescent go past a Israeli to get to a Palestinian, when Israel have their own ambulances, and you cry foul.    Tossers.

sassy wrote:What a couple of hypocrites you are.

IDF shoot schoolgirls and hold back ambulances until they die.
Lies

IDF run over protesters (who have a hell of a lot to protest about) and pepper spray medics to stop them helping the victim
Lies

IDF storm a hospital, execute a visiting relative and take away a badly injured man (against the Geneva Convention)
Which as seen was to arrest an attempted murderer, of which all of us have stated it was wrong that the cousin died
not a word

Red Crescent go past a Israeli to get to a Palestinian, when Israel have their own ambulances, and you cry foul.    Tossers.

Lies again

That has to be the worst deflection going as we are going on about paramedics, doctors etc, whether army or non-army, which have a duty to save lives with every means at their disposal. Soldiers at best know basic first aid. So comparing non medically trained soldiers in the IDF against the Red cross is daft where as seen the Israel's have saved lives of terrorists who have tried to muder israeli's. So all the above points were moot, the Red cross is there to help those most urgent in need, of which they were.

The fact is this car was shot off the road injurying both sons killing the father. The two Palestinian terrorists got out and then fired further bullets in the car, which the second burst ended up killing the 18 year old son. That is intentional murder and systematic antisemism, as they are civillians, whether they are settelers or not. But again you absolutely failed to grasp moral equivalency.

The israel snatch yesterday did not set out to kill anybody. Clearly there intelligence was perfect, as they neglected to know that the cousin was still there. That is a first massive error leading to this unfortunate death. Second, whether the cousin attacked them or not, they clearly were surprised by his appearance which would have either led to a trigger happy special forces  Mustaarabin.  Of which many of the members are from the minority groups of Israel more than Jews. Thus the intent was never to kill the cousin, either he was unlawfully killed or through panic, which if this is the case, there should be an investigation.

The two palestinian terrorists however set out to murder Jews
They succeeded in murdering two

Thus there is no moral equivalency, as the palestinian terroist act had one intention, to murder. Whereas the special forces set out onnly to kidnap an attempted murderer.

So yet again you cannot answer a simple question of which I even stated, that this needs to be verified. That if it is true, will you condemn those who left two dead, and four wounded stranded?

A simple yes you do condemn, or no, you do not condemn.

PRCS Denies Allegations Made by the Israeli Government Spokesperson

(Al-Bireh – 13/11/2015):  The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) categorically denies allegations made by Ofir Gendelman, Israeli Government spokesperson, on his Facebook account, in which he claims that PRCS’ teams refused to discharge their humanitarian duty and to assist several wounded Israelis near Al Samou’ (Hebron Governorate) this afternoon.

The facts are as follows: a PRCS’ team arrived at the scene and started providing First Aid to the wounded. A few minutes later, two Israeli ambulances, one belonging to the Israeli army and another from Magen David Adom, arrived at the scene. The ambulances’ teams headed towards the wounded persons, brandishing their weapons. Given that Israeli paramedics had arrived and were providing medical care to casualties, PRCS’ team left the scene which they felt had become unsafe.

Since early October, Israeli occupation forces have assaulted and directly targeted PRCS’ teams, either by firing bullets and canisters at them, or by beating them, or by pepper spraying them. 125 PRCS emergency medical technicians have been wounded and 67 ambulances damaged as a result of these systematic practices which go against IHL provisions. Moreover, Israeli occupation forces have prevented PRCS’ teams on 66 different occasions from reaching Palestinian sick and wounded persons to provide them with medical life-saving treatment.

The humanitarian principles and values and professionalism of PRCS’ teams are indisputable. PRCS has over the years provided First Aid to hundreds of Israelis present in the oPt, as was the case mid-October when its teams provided an Israeli citizen with medical assistance near Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus. PRCS calls on Ofir Gendelman and all those concerned to peruse Israeli Media Archives for all similar cases where PRCS’ teams provided First Aid to Israeli citizens.

Israeli occupation forces have not ceased their blatant violations of IHL and the Four Geneva Conventions which apply in the oPt: they hinder the work of medical teams, prevent wounded persons from receiving medical attention, storm hospitals to kill and arrest injured Palestinians, and terrorize patients and medical teams in a clear breach of conventions and laws.

PRCS discharges its mission in line with the lofty principles and values it believes in. The Society believes that medical assistance should be provided to all those in need regardless of their nationality, race or religion. Israel, on the contrary, leaves Palestinians, including children, to bleed and prevents help and medical teams from reaching them, as can be seen in a number of footage videos.

Israeli occupation authorities and their representatives should put an end to this information war and to the falsification of facts aimed at spreading misinformation and Israeli propaganda.

http://www.palestinercs.org/en/details.php?nid=1078

Well being as it is recoded on the actual emergency call, are you saying a wounded boy, who has just lost his father and brother, would just out of the blue make that up, whilst seeking help?
So the Red cross is clearly lying to cover up the dispicable act by the crew.
Also just look at the source, need I say anymore.

VIDEO: Soldiers pepper spray Palestinian medics
Red Crescent workers were pepper-sprayed when trying to help a person run over by a military jeep


A Palestinian youth was run over and arrested and several journalists and medics were attacked by Israeli soldiers during clashes at al-Bireh, near Beit El settlement north of Ramallah in the West Bank, on Friday.

An Israeli military jeep was captured on video moving at speed at a group of Palestinian protesters, hitting one youth.

When medics attempt to reach the youth, Israeli soldiers pushed them back and sprayed their faces with pepper, then assaulted several journalists in the area as they attempted to film the clashes.

“An Israeli officer attacked our staff directly without any warning,” Diya Housheya, a reporter with Alghad Alarabi TV, said. “He didn't ask us to stay away. At the beginning he beat us directly and then he sprayed pepper gas in our faces.

“Our job as journalists is to convey the news and cover what is happening here in the West Bank, we have become the news. No one here survives the Israeli attacks.”


The Foreign Press Association released a statement condemning Friday’s attack, saying: “This sort of behaviour by the border police is both abusive and a gross violation of press freedom, and yet it has become all too common, raising serious concerns about their ability to control their actions.

“Despite repeated attempts by the Foreign Press Association to meet with commanders to discuss the situation, there has been no response from the Border Police or the Defense Ministry. This ignoring of the problem cannot continue. Video footage of past incidents has shown Israel's security forces to be the protagonist in several cases, suggesting a systemic problem.”

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/video-soldiers-pepper-spray-palestinian-medics-728920877

So more deflections and going off soldiers again and not paramedics.


Again sassy refuses to condemn or even be able to refute why a person would invent an ambulance driving by, when they need one to the disptathcher, after losing their own father and brother.

Paramedics/Doctors whether military or non military cannot be lumped with how indidvidual soldiers act wrongly. Medciially trained staff more than anyone else have a role which is saving lives and medically treating those in urgent need, of which they were. . This Ambualnce driving by, not stopping, is thus deligitimising that Jews/iasraelis require medical urgent need or life saving help.
Again even more examples of how such a fundemental hate is widespread. When no bias by medically trained staff should come into play when saving and helping those injured. Their first reuirements is to help those in most need, of which these victimes of a terrorist attack were in need.

I condemn atrocities by both sides, but you sassy only condemn Israel! Why is that?

What atrocity

PRCS Denies Allegations Made by the Israeli Government Spokesperson

(Al-Bireh – 13/11/2015):  The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) categorically denies allegations made by Ofir Gendelman, Israeli Government spokesperson, on his Facebook account, in which he claims that PRCS’ teams refused to discharge their humanitarian duty and to assist several wounded Israelis near Al Samou’ (Hebron Governorate) this afternoon.

The facts are as follows: a PRCS’ team arrived at the scene and started providing First Aid to the wounded. A few minutes later, two Israeli ambulances, one belonging to the Israeli army and another from Magen David Adom, arrived at the scene. The ambulances’ teams headed towards the wounded persons, brandishing their weapons. Given that Israeli paramedics had arrived and were providing medical care to casualties, PRCS’ team left the scene which they felt had become unsafe.

Since early October, Israeli occupation forces have assaulted and directly targeted PRCS’ teams, either by firing bullets and canisters at them, or by beating them, or by pepper spraying them. 125 PRCS emergency medical technicians have been wounded and 67 ambulances damaged as a result of these systematic practices which go against IHL provisions. Moreover, Israeli occupation forces have prevented PRCS’ teams on 66 different occasions from reaching Palestinian sick and wounded persons to provide them with medical life-saving treatment.

The humanitarian principles and values and professionalism of PRCS’ teams are indisputable. PRCS has over the years provided First Aid to hundreds of Israelis present in the oPt, as was the case mid-October when its teams provided an Israeli citizen with medical assistance near Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus. PRCS calls on Ofir Gendelman and all those concerned to peruse Israeli Media Archives for all similar cases where PRCS’ teams provided First Aid to Israeli citizens.

Israeli occupation forces have not ceased their blatant violations of IHL and the Four Geneva Conventions which apply in the oPt: they hinder the work of medical teams, prevent wounded persons from receiving medical attention, storm hospitals to kill and arrest injured Palestinians, and terrorize patients and medical teams in a clear breach of conventions and laws.

PRCS discharges its mission in line with the lofty principles and values it believes in. The Society believes that medical assistance should be provided to all those in need regardless of their nationality, race or religion. Israel, on the contrary, leaves Palestinians, including children, to bleed and prevents help and medical teams from reaching them, as can be seen in a number of footage videos.

Israeli occupation authorities and their representatives should put an end to this information war and to the falsification of facts aimed at spreading misinformation and Israeli propaganda.

http://www.palestinercs.org/en/details.php?nid=1078


Just because neither of you will believe it because you are both racist bastards, doesn't stop it from being the truth.

And BTW Dodge, neither of my other posts were deflections, they show why Palestinians medics leave when they see Israeli ambulances with weapons (Israeli paramedics carry them) running towards them.  They have learnt what to expect.

I'M a racist bastard am I, YOU are a bitter and twisted old bat who should be ashamed of the racist attacks you always making about Israel.. How you have the nerve to call me racist after reading your posts, words fall me.

Blah, blah, blah.

Lets try again and see if Sassy can counter for herself.


So more deflections and going off soldiers again and not paramedics.


Again sassy refuses to condemn or even be able to refute why a person would invent an ambulance driving by, when they need one to the disptathcher, after losing their own father and brother.

Paramedics/Doctors whether military or non military cannot be lumped with how indidvidual soldiers act wrongly. Medciially trained staff more than anyone else have a role which is saving lives and medically treating those in urgent need, of which they were. . This Ambualnce driving by, not stopping, is thus deligitimising that Jews/iasraelis require medical urgent need or life saving help.
Again even more examples of how such a fundemental hate is widespread. When no bias by medically trained staff should come into play when saving and helping those injured. Their first reuirements is to help those in most need, of which these victimes of a terrorist attack were in need.


Unanswered.


That has to be the worst deflection going as we are going on about paramedics, doctors etc, whether army or non-army, which have a duty to save lives with every means at their disposal. Soldiers at best know basic first aid. So comparing non medically trained soldiers in the IDF against the Red cross is daft where as seen the Israel's have saved lives of terrorists who have tried to muder israeli's. So all the above points were moot, the Red cross is there to help those most urgent in need, of which they were.

The fact is this car was shot off the road injurying both sons killing the father. The two Palestinian terrorists got out and then fired further bullets in the car, which the second burst ended up killing the 18 year old son. That is intentional murder and systematic antisemism, as they are civillians, whether they are settelers or not. But again you absolutely failed to grasp moral equivalency.

The israel snatch yesterday did not set out to kill anybody. Clearly there intelligence was perfect, as they neglected to know that the cousin was still there. That is a first massive error leading to this unfortunate death. Second, whether the cousin attacked them or not, they clearly were surprised by his appearance which would have either led to a trigger happy special forces Mustaarabin. Of which many of the members are from the minority groups of Israel more than Jews. Thus the intent was never to kill the cousin, either he was unlawfully killed or through panic, which if this is the case, there should be an investigation.

The two palestinian terrorists however set out to murder Jews
They succeeded in murdering two

Thus there is no moral equivalency, as the palestinian terroist act had one intention, to murder. Whereas the special forces set out onnly to kidnap an attempted murderer.

So yet again you cannot answer a simple question of which I even stated, that this needs to be verified. That if it is true, will you condemn those who left two dead, and four wounded stranded?

A simple yes you do condemn, or no, you do not condemn.


Unanswered

IGNORANT COW, leave your pc alone for a bit and get back in the kitchen.

nicko wrote:I'M a racist bastard am I,     YOU are a bitter and twisted old bat who should be ashamed of the racist attacks you always making about Israel.. How you have the nerve to call me racist after reading your posts,  words fall me.

Nicko she is attempting to derail the thread by lloking to start a fight by being abusive about you.
By doing this she can then get it so heated in ends in the basement. Her true intent because she has no answer to the countless points at hand

So do not even allow yourself to react to her poor immature attempts to start a fight

Let's try again and ask 'What is to condemn when the truth has explained it'.  The only reason you are asking for me to condemn is that your racism stops you believing the truth.

Didge wrote:

nicko wrote:I'M a racist bastard am I,     YOU are a bitter and twisted old bat who should be ashamed of the racist attacks you always making about Israel.. How you have the nerve to call me racist after reading your posts,  words fall me.

Nicko she is attempting to derail the thread by lloking to start a fight by being abusive about you.
By doing this she can then get it so heated in ends in the basement. Her true intent because she has no answer to the countless points at hand

So do not even allow yourself to react to her poor immature attempts to start a fight

Nope, Nicko was derailing, you have the truth in front of you, there is no more to be said, there was not atrocity.

sassy wrote:Let's try again and ask 'What is to condemn when the truth has explained it'.  The only reason you are asking for me to condemn is that your racism stops you believing the truth.

I asked if this was true, whether you would condemn, which is very much abscent from many of your answers on debates

I also asked why at the time of losing both his father and brother whilst on a recorded call, he would invent and lie about an ambulance?
That really seems less credible, faced with an extreme fear of needed help
In other words your claim makes very little sense to the reality

Again sassy refuses to condemn or even be able to refute why a person would invent an ambulance driving by, when they need one to the disptathcher, after losing their own father and brother.

Paramedics/Doctors whether military or non military cannot be lumped with how indidvidual soldiers act wrongly. Medciially trained staff more than anyone else have a role which is saving lives and medically treating those in urgent need, of which they were. . This Ambualnce driving by, not stopping, is thus deligitimising that Jews/iasraelis require medical urgent need or life saving help.
Again even more examples of how such a fundemental hate is widespread. When no bias by medically trained staff should come into play when saving and helping those injured. Their first reuirements is to help those in most need, of which these victimes of a terrorist attack were in need.

sassy wrote:What a couple of hypocrites you are.

IDF shoot schoolgirls and hold back ambulances until they die.

IDF run over protesters (who have a hell of a lot to protest about) and pepper spray medics to stop them helping the victim

IDF storm a hospital, execute a visiting relative and take away a badly injured man (against the Geneva Convention)

not a word

Red Crescent go past a Israeli to get to a Palestinian, when Israel have their own ambulances, and you cry foul.    Tossers.

You approve of segregating ambulances now?

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:What a couple of hypocrites you are.

IDF shoot schoolgirls and hold back ambulances until they die.

IDF run over protesters (who have a hell of a lot to protest about) and pepper spray medics to stop them helping the victim

IDF storm a hospital, execute a visiting relative and take away a badly injured man (against the Geneva Convention)

not a word

Red Crescent go past a Israeli to get to a Palestinian, when Israel have their own ambulances, and you cry foul.    Tossers.

You approve of segregating ambulances now?

What do you expect rags, where the falsified fabrication of israel being an apartheid state is based on an insulting myth, which diminsihes the discrmination and absue of those who suffered under Apartheid.
As seen the claims are based off road blocks and roads leading in from the settlements. The Settlements are wrong and have stated many times hinder any peace process, but Israel Law provoides far more equality for Arabs than they would have in any Arab nation. The check points would not even be needed if not for decades of continued violence and hate against Israeli's. As seen here Sassy calls for segregated Ambulances now, where also as seen israelis are forbidden entrance to palestinian villages. No israeli law would need to exist if Israelis were protected from violence by the palestinian Authorities, where as seen they are not. Not only that it warns their lives are in danger, which if systematic hate was not tauight, They would not have need to have any fear for their lives. It astounds me some have the cheek to claim israel is an aparthied state. maybe they think religious beliefs superscede the well being and equality of others? i do not and condemn any religious israeli law that discrminates, of which there is on marriage. One of the very few unsecualr laws, which should be scrapped.

Have a good evening everyone

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:What a couple of hypocrites you are.

IDF shoot schoolgirls and hold back ambulances until they die.

IDF run over protesters (who have a hell of a lot to protest about) and pepper spray medics to stop them helping the victim

IDF storm a hospital, execute a visiting relative and take away a badly injured man (against the Geneva Convention)

not a word

Red Crescent go past a Israeli to get to a Palestinian, when Israel have their own ambulances, and you cry foul.    Tossers.

You approve of segregating ambulances now?

Unfortunately Israeli medics carry guns and often attack Palestinian medics.  So how about reading above what the Palestian medics actually said happened.

Here's a reminder:



The facts are as follows: a PRCS’ team arrived at the scene and started providing First Aid to the wounded. A few minutes later, two Israeli ambulances, one belonging to the Israeli army and another from Magen David Adom, arrived at the scene. The ambulances’ teams headed towards the wounded persons, brandishing their weapons. Given that Israeli paramedics had arrived and were providing medical care to casualties, PRCS’ team left the scene which they felt had become unsafe.

Since early October, Israeli occupation forces have assaulted and directly targeted PRCS’ teams, either by firing bullets and canisters at them, or by beating them, or by pepper spraying them. 125 PRCS emergency medical technicians have been wounded and 67 ambulances damaged as a result of these systematic practices which go against IHL provisions. Moreover, Israeli occupation forces have prevented PRCS’ teams on 66 different occasions from reaching Palestinian sick and wounded persons to provide them with medical life-saving treatment.

The humanitarian principles and values and professionalism of PRCS’ teams are indisputable. PRCS has over the years provided First Aid to hundreds of Israelis present in the oPt, as was the case mid-October when its teams provided an Israeli citizen with medical assistance near Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus. PRCS calls on Ofir Gendelman and all those concerned to peruse Israeli Media Archives for all similar cases where PRCS’ teams provided First Aid to Israeli citizens.

The article from Red Crescent is absolutely a legitimate response to the accusations being made against the ambulance medics including the reason why they left when the Israeli ambulance pulled up.

Anyone attempting to say that that is a deflection is just a feeble attempt to try and deny Red Crescent the ligitimate right of reply.

There is only one person trying to derail this thread and it shows.

so again a claim to say the article is genuine based off no evidence.

Where again such a stance is then claiming the 16 year old boy during the actual event where his father and brother were murdered and he himself was injufred is then lying. Though neither of them can explained why during such a traumatic episode he would invent such a claim, whilst the call was being recorded, when he was desperate for any medical help.

So there is nothing to substanciate the Red cross claim, where even worse they are fundementally accusing the 16 year old victim of lying, where they would be absolutely no reason to lie based off facing such a situation/ in such situations so traumatic your first thoughts are of desperation and aany need of help. Thus clearly the evidence would be that there is no reason for him to lie or how he would be dealing with such an event

And what refuteable articles back up the unreliable one that Sassy presented?

Of which funnily enough now for some reason sassy's link has ceased working.


Quelle surprise

The prime minister said Israel was prepared to take sanctions against the Red Crescent Society, a member of the Geneva-based umbrella humanitarian aid organization, for abandoning the ICRC mandate to assist all victims of armed conflicts, the Ynet news site reported.

After the shooting attack on Friday that killed Rabbi Ya’akov Litman and his 18-year-old son Netanel, the family’s 16-year-old son called Israel’s emergency service to report the attack, and told the Magen David Adom operator that a Red Crescent ambulance happened to be driving by and saw the injured family, but declined to stop and help them.

“There are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us,” the boy can be heard saying in a recording of the phone call. Then he adds: “The Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

A statement released by the Red Crescent Friday evening said its paramedics got out of the vehicle to offer aid to the wounded, but then an IDF ambulance arrived and soldiers emerged with guns drawn. The Red Crescent paramedics then left the scene, the statement said.

However, the driver of the Israeli ambulance responding to the scene disputed the Palestinian account.

“We saw the Red Crescent. They never got out of the vehicle, and they drove away,” he said according to a report on Channel 10 Friday evening.

The Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), Yoav Mordechai, also sent an inquiry to the Palestinian rescue service, the TV station reported.

An understanding between the Red Crescent and Magen David Adom generally sees the rescue services treat wounded people in their respective territories, and while the attack occurred in a West Bank area under Israeli security control, the Red Crescent is still subject to ICRC regulations.

Based on the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the umbrella organization describes itself as an “impartial, neutral and independent organization whose exclusively humanitarian mission is to protect the lives and dignity of victims of armed conflict and other situations of violence and to provide them with assistance.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-demands-probe-of-red-crescent-for-ignoring-israeli-terror-victims/

so to irn, a legitimate claim is something that has no evidence to back it up. it is based solely on one source, of which that link, now ceases to work. Where as seen the evidence clearly points to the red cross ambulance driving away
 

“There are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us,” the boy can be heard saying in a recording of the phone call. Then he adds: “The Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

A statement released by the Red Crescent Friday evening said its paramedics got out of the vehicle to offer aid to the wounded, but then an IDF ambulance arrived and soldiers emerged with guns drawn. The Red Crescent paramedics then left the scene, the statement said.

Now why would the boy state this if the red cross had assisted?
Clearly the red criss is lying and trying to cover this up.

Didge wrote:so again a claim to say the article is genuine based off no evidence.

Where again such a stance is then claiming the 16 year old boy during the actual event where his father and brother were murdered and he himself was injufred is then lying. Though neither of them can explained why during such a traumatic episode he would invent such a claim, whilst the call was being recorded, when he was desperate for any medical help.

So there is nothing to substanciate the Red cross claim, where even worse they are fundementally accusing the 16 year old victim of lying, where they would be absolutely no reason to lie based off facing such a situation/ in such situations so traumatic your first thoughts are of desperation and aany need of help. Thus clearly the evidence would be that there is no reason for him to lie or how he would be dealing with such an event

And what refuteable articles back up the unreliable one that Sassy presented?

Of which funnily enough now for some reason sassy's link has ceased working.


Quelle surprise

The Israeli ambulance driver said the Red Crescent ambulance left when they arrived. Check the reports. The boy may not have noticed that. Prove the Red Crescent view is wrong. And the video is accurate.

The link still works fine for me.

Didge wrote:The prime minister said Israel was prepared to take sanctions against the Red Crescent Society, a member of the Geneva-based umbrella humanitarian aid organization, for abandoning the ICRC mandate to assist all victims of armed conflicts, the Ynet news site reported.

After the shooting attack on Friday that killed Rabbi Ya’akov Litman and his 18-year-old son Netanel, the family’s 16-year-old son called Israel’s emergency service to report the attack, and told the Magen David Adom operator that a Red Crescent ambulance happened to be driving by and saw the injured family, but declined to stop and help them.

“There are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us,” the boy can be heard saying in a recording of the phone call. Then he adds: “The Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

A statement released by the Red Crescent Friday evening said its paramedics got out of the vehicle to offer aid to the wounded, but then an IDF ambulance arrived and soldiers emerged with guns drawn. The Red Crescent paramedics then left the scene, the statement said.

However, the driver of the Israeli ambulance responding to the scene disputed the Palestinian account.

“We saw the Red Crescent. They never got out of the vehicle, and they drove away,” he said according to a report on Channel 10 Friday evening.

The Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), Yoav Mordechai, also sent an inquiry to the Palestinian rescue service, the TV station reported.

An understanding between the Red Crescent and Magen David Adom generally sees the rescue services treat wounded people in their respective territories, and while the attack occurred in a West Bank area under Israeli security control, the Red Crescent is still subject to ICRC regulations.

Based on the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the umbrella organization describes itself as an “impartial, neutral and independent organization whose exclusively humanitarian mission is to protect the lives and dignity of victims of armed conflict and other situations of violence and to provide them with assistance.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-demands-probe-of-red-crescent-for-ignoring-israeli-terror-victims/

So the Red Crescent ambulance didn't leave until the Israeli ambulance arrived? Well that disputes the claim that they just drove off leaving the wounded unattended. And how do they know they never allighted - they had just turned up?

Didge wrote:so to irn, a legitimate claim is something that has no evidence to back it up. it is based solely on one source, of which that link, now ceases to work. Where as seen the evidence clearly points to the red cross ambulance driving away
 

“There are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us,” the boy can be heard saying in a recording of the phone call. Then he adds: “The Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

A statement released by the Red Crescent Friday evening said its paramedics got out of the vehicle to offer aid to the wounded, but then an IDF ambulance arrived and soldiers emerged with guns drawn. The Red Crescent paramedics then left the scene, the statement said.

Now why would the boy state this if the red cross had assisted?
Clearly the red criss is lying and trying to cover this up.

So there you haveit. The boy confirms the REd Crescent were with him but left. Red Crescent have explained why.

I did check the report, which means they clearly did not get out of the ambulance, where again you still make the poorest excuses for where an ambulance drove off. What is appalling here is how both should have assited being as they would have had no idea, who was hurt, killed out of the 8 people in this people carrier. Maybe irn thinks one ambulance is sufficient with at best 2 people to deal with four times that number? At no point does it back up their claim to assisting or offering any help. Like i say, to drive off as they with the view that others should deal with, is neglecting their responsibility.

Didge wrote:I did check the report, which means they clearly did not get out of the ambulance, where again you still make the poorest excuses for where an ambulance drove off. What is appalling here is how both should have assited being as they would have had no idea, who was hurt, killed out of the 8 people in this people carrier. Maybe irn thinks one ambulance is sufficient with at best 2 people to deal with four times that number? At no point does it back up their claim to assisting or offering any help. Like i say, to drive off as they with the view that others should deal with, is neglecting their responsibility.

They drove off and they have explained why they did due to the presence of guns being carried by ambulance medics and Israeli police.

Watch the video of where it happened before and the number of times Red Crescent report violence against them.

So as seen irn cannot explain the recorded message, and is thus claiming the boy under duress would for no reason invent a lie. The Israeli ambulance refutes the Red cross claim. The boy in the recordning refutes the Red cross claim. To top this off we now have the worst defence to this wrong, claiming that other ambulances have helped before. Where there has been a shooting, which was evidently clear, then as many medically trained people would be needed. There can be a number of reasons for the red cross driving away. They feared after so many bullet holes, that could end up being shot at as many Israel paramedis have been attacked whilest attending injured israelis. That they were neglegent seeing an israel ambulance also arrive not longf after them, left them without any knowledge to the extent of injuries, drove off leaving the Israeli Ambulance to face the situation on its own. What ever way you look at this, thier actions wer wrong

Didge wrote:So as seen irn cannot explain the recorded message, and is thus claiming the boy under duress would for no reason invent a lie. The Israeli ambulance refutes the Red cross claim. The boy in the recordning refutes the Red cross claim. To top this off we now have the worst defence to this wrong, claiming that other ambulances have helped before. Where there has been a shooting, which was evidently clear, then as many medically trained people would be needed. There can be a number of reasons for the red cross driving away. They feared after so many bullet holes, that could end up being shot at as many Israel paramedis have been attacked whilest attending injured israelis. That they were neglegent seeing an israel ambulance also arrive not longf after them, left them without any knowledge to the extent of injuries, drove off leaving the Israeli Ambulance to face the situation on its own. What ever way you look at this, thier actions wer wrong

The boy in the recording does not refute the Red Crescent claim because he freely admits that they were with him and the statement from the Israeli ambulance medics confirm that they arrived before Red Crescent left due to the presence of guns and the situation being unsafe based on past experience. You saw the video didn't you? The boy obviously hadn't noticed the arrival of the Israeli ambulance at that point.

Checked the link again have you?

I think you wiill find that he does refute then stepping outside the ambulance, as how on earth would the claim stand if not backed up as it is by the boy himself and the israeli ambulance driver?
They arrived and then drove off, neglecting their duty, to where 8 peopl had been victims to a terrorist attack.


In the recording the boy can be heard saying there are “at least two wounded” with one suffering a head injury. He is then heard to say “there is a Red Crescent ambulance here.” When the operator asks the boy for more details on the wounded, to discern how many ambulances to dispatch to the scene, the boy tells her, “there are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us.” He then says “the Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

So unless the Red cross paramedics have the abilities of superman and to assist at the speed oif light, then they clearly did not even get out of the ambulance and near enough after syopping, drove off. Also this is further backed up by why they would drive off with people with gun shot wounds, one being to the head?
It further proves their claim is a lie, as they would have been down trying to save the life of whom the boy thought was still alive when in fact must have been dead. It shows thus no communication to the boy. There clearly by the lengh of that conversation cannot be enough time to even determine how many casulaties there were.

Didge wrote:I think you wiill find that he does refute then stepping outside the ambulance, as how on earth would the claim stand if not backed up as it is by the boy himself and the israeli ambulance driver?
They arrived and then drove off, neglecting their duty, to where 8 peopl had been victims to a terrorist attack.


In the recording the boy can be heard saying there are “at least two wounded” with one suffering a head injury. He is then heard to say “there is a Red Crescent ambulance here.” When the operator asks the boy for more details on the wounded, to discern how many ambulances to dispatch to the scene, the boy tells her, “there are two wounded here, but we have the Red Crescent with us.” He then says “the Red Crescent ambulance drove away from us, I don’t know why.”

So unless the Red cross paramedics have the abilities of superman and to assist at the speed oif light, then they clearly did not even get out of the ambulance and near enough after syopping, drove oof

The boy admits that Red Cresent were with him and then says they drove off but that was after the Israeli ambulance showed up with medics bearing guns. When he says they were with hin I seriously doubt that that meant they were just sitting in their ambulance. The statement that they didn't alight is disputed by Red Crescent and you can't prove that their version is wrong but as usual you will take the view that the Israeli version is correct because you just can't bring yourself to see it any other way.

That's just you isn't it.

He states the ambulance is there, that is all
Ypu fail to explain how in less than no more than 20 -30 seconds (I am being very generous, its more like 15). That two paramedics, can get out of their ambulance, go over and check out all the people for injuries or fatalities, when there is 7 of them. The very fact they did not even attend the 16 year old boy himself who was also wounded and his sisters and mother, as they were all in shock, would mean needing as many paramedics to hand
You are going off a weak argument, based on wording which lacks credability. Again based on the time frame conversation, there is no way the crew would be able to assess the situation, being as they have no idea of the number of people hurt or be able to to assertain how bad any of the injuries could be. Again you offer no sound reasoning to explain why after such an attack and based off seconds of a converstaion. How they would be able to assess who was hurt and how bad. Fail also to think or believe that if israeli soldiers turn up, that having guins ready, to protect the area, is a reason to leave, wrongly leaving just one to attend.
So one other ambulance crew to cope with the situation.
Whih as seen it would be impossible for the red cross crew to even begin to assess the the attack, let alone then also think they are not needed and poorly use something which is common practice after an attack, to make up an excuse for their actions
Again look at he conversation


Operator: Where?
Caller: About a kilometer from Otniel. They fired on our car.
Operator: Otniel, in which direction?
Caller: Heading south.
Operator: Heading south?
Caller: They’ve reached us… there’s a Red Crescent ambulance, we have two wounded.
Operator: How many wounded in total?
Caller: At least two. There were seven of us in the car.
Operator: There are at least two wounded at the scene? Now, tell me… we are on the way to you.
Caller: No, no, at least two wounded.
Operator: I said, at least two wounded. Where are they wounded?
Caller: Yes, yes
Operator: Where are they wounded? Go over them for me one by one.
Caller: One in the head, one in the head. We have here… we have here Red Crescent.
Operator: That’s absolutely fine.
Caller: One in the head, definitely at least one more… The Red Crescent drove away from us, I don’t know why.

Didge wrote:He states the ambulance is there, that is all
Ypu fail to explain how in less than no more than 20 -30 seconds (I am being very generous, its more like 15), to paramedis, can get out of their ambulance, go over and check out all the people for injuries or fatalities. The very fact they did not even attend the 6 year old boy himself who was also wounded and his sisters and mother, as they were all in shock, would mean needing as many paramedics toi hand
You are going off a weak argument, based on wording which lacks credability. Again based on the time frame conversation, there is no way the crew would be able to assess the situation, being as they have no idea of the number of people hurt or be able to to assertain how bad any of the injuries could be. Again you offer no sound reasoning to explain why after such an attack and based off seconds of a converstaion. How they would be able to assess who was hurt and how bad. Fail also to think or believe that if israeli soldiers turn up, that having guins ready, to protect the area, is a reason to leave, just one other ambulance crew to cope with the situation, whih as seen it would be impossible for them to even have been able to asses just one of the victims

Again look at he conversation


Operator: Where?
Caller: About a kilometer from Otniel. They fired on our car.
Operator: Otniel, in which direction?
Caller: Heading south.
Operator: Heading south?
Caller: They’ve reached us… there’s a Red Crescent ambulance, we have two wounded.
Operator: How many wounded in total?
Caller: At least two. There were seven of us in the car.
Operator: There are at least two wounded at the scene? Now, tell me… we are on the way to you.
Caller: No, no, at least two wounded.
Operator: I said, at least two wounded. Where are they wounded?
Caller: Yes, yes
Operator: Where are they wounded? Go over them for me one by one.
Caller: One in the head, one in the head. We have here… we have here Red Crescent.
Operator: That’s absolutely fine.
Caller: One in the head, definitely at least one more… The Red Crescent drove away from us, I don’t know why.

Red Crescent dispute this but at least we have got to the position that they hadn't left before the Israeli ambulance turned with medics bearing guns. And the boy said Red Cresent are with us so there is no dispute about that either or else he wouldn't have used that exact terminology.

You keep promoting the Israeli version because you are unable to see it any other way because you are blind to any other version that disputes what anyone else says.

I'll leave you to worship at the alter of Netanyahu and his army of oppresiion that makes it clear that they will keep on building settlements and that there will never be a state for the Palestinian people.

You're a fake and no standard bearer for peace.

Cya

Still more poor excuses where you failed to address any of my points with yet again more deflections away from why they would leave and clearly not even get out of their ambulance to assist, based on the time frame. Justify even leaving wne they could have not been able to know if there help was needed, being as it would have been impossible to assess 7 people in seconds. Where all of them would have clearly been in shock.

With us clearly in the context of the time frame would mean the ambulance, as why did he not spcify that the red cross paramedics were with him. He never stats that people are with him but the ambulance, which between the 3 times he stated this. The first clearly in reference to the ambulance not people, would further implicate their irresponsibility. as again, it would have been impossible to assess just one person. As he states clearly they have arrived, saying they have reached us. To by the tenth sentence, againn no more than 30 seconds they had actually left. That leaves you meere seconds for them to do anything. To not even thus bother to assess the extent of injuries and help proves they are guilty of neglect for leaving and from carrying out their duties, without assessing the victims or remaining to help people who most definately needed help.

We then have what can only be described as evidence of hate, when it should be criticism and opposition, which is even worse when you constantly avoid condemning just like here wrongs done by palestinians:

Netanyahu and his army of oppresiion

Of which this is used now by Irn to excuse the red cross driving away from carrying out their responsibility. Considering I have stated I do not support Netanyahu and that i have condemned settlements. it really proves again how when faced with difficult points and sound reason, you constantly divert to immature deflections. as if you think that is reason to deny helping humans, making them guilty and dehumanizing them as people based on them being settlers, is disgusting. There is no reason they should have left.

Which is further backeed up with child like insults, proving beyond doubt irn knows hisreasoning was weak and completely lacked any credability

Night then