Sutton Trust Report: White Working Class Boys From Poor Neighbourhoods Have 'Double Disadvantage'

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Almost a third of white working class boys from poor neighbourhoods stay in education after their GCSEs, thanks to a "double disadvantage", a report has found. Just 29% of this group continue to study after taking their exams, due to a combination of low family income and geographic poverty, the Background to Success report found. This compares to nearly half of white working class boys living in more affluent areas, and more than two thirds of male teens from more advantaged families, the report published by the Sutton Trust revealed.

The research showed different background factors, such as neighbourhood, family income, and ethnicity, combined to reduce teenagers' chances of entering further education.
The report, conducted by Oxford University, found boys are "significantly" less likely to carry on with academic study than girls. Two thirds of girls take AS, A-levels or another qualification compared with 55% of all boys. The attainment gap between poorer girls and their richer peers is also slightly less marked for females; more than half of disadvantaged girls go on to further study compared with three-quarters of the non-disadvantaged group.

The Sutton Trust urged the government to consider the "double disadvantage" of young men ahead of George Osborne's spending review later this month. "[The report] lays bare the powerful influence of different aspects of a student's background in shaping their educational outcomes," the Trust said. "It illustrates how such factors combine to reduce a pupil's chance of entering further education. "The Trust would like to see.. continued support for the pupil premium for all disadvantaged pupils, including high achieving disadvantaged pupils."


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/11/sutton-trust-report-white-working-class-boys-double-disadvantage_n_8534614.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Is that right Victor:

State school students 'get better degrees' than private school pupils with same A-levels
Figures show 82% state school students went on to get firsts or 2:1s

Students who attended state schools are more likely to get top degree passes than former independent school pupils with the same A-level grades, new research shows.

The figures, based on the degree results of all students who graduated in 2013/14, show that 82 per cent of state school pupils got firsts or upper seconds compared with just 73 per cent of those from independent schools.

State school students who scored two Bs and a C at A-level did on average eight per cent better at degree level than their privately educated counterparts.

Sir Peter Lampl, chairman of the Sutton Trust - the charity which campaigns for equal access to education, said the research backed up calls for more to be done to ensure  state school students - particularly those from disadvantaged backgrounds - were properly represented at university.

“The fact that they are more likely to get a better degree than their private school peers shows how important it is to improve access to help able young people fulfil their potential,” he added.

Professor Alan Smithers, director of the Centre for Education and Employment at Buckingham University, said the gap could be down to independent schools stretching their pupils more and getting the best out of them before they went to university. Conversely, some state school pupils are not pushed to their full potential until degree level.

In addition, private school pupils may slow down at university because they are more confident about securing a job whatever their degree score.

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Professor Smithers said: “Independent school pupils tend to go on to better jobs and may be more relaxed about going to university.  They may know they can get an offer of a place in chambers or in the family firm when they leave university.”

The study also prompted concern that white graduates did much better than those from black or ethnic minority backgrounds - with 76 per cent obtaining a first or upper second degree compared to just 60 per cent of those from ethnic minority backgrounds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/state-school-students-get-better-degrees-than-private-school-pupils-with-same-a-levels-10504225.html

that is irelevant

ask any uni and they will tell you they now spend the first year "bringing students up to speed"

as their A level knowlege is worse than it was when I did mine...especially they have problems with "lack of knowlege "surrounding " a subject.....

nowadays university course start from a "lower level" than they did years ago.....

Lord Victor, I bet you go on about 'when I was a lad all we had was a brown paper bag to live in, and that was just Sundays' !!!!!!

I've seen what the kids do, and some of the stuff in junior school we would be doing in senior.   I actually think schools are better and doing things we could only dream about.

LOL
old grumpy in now suggesting his generation had a better education 
Sorry
BUT everything since your generation came to power has PROVEN otherwise.

Notice the gap in innovation that between the Nazi scientists and the Gen Y tech natives... that would be YOUR generation

you mean like when supposedly intelligent kids cant do simple addition/subtraction in their heads...like change from a pound coin?



like when supposed A level chemistry students cant do simple "chemical equations" in their heads, without a book ...becasue the dont know their "valency tables"


the first I have personally experienced...

the second was a college tutor having a rant in the pub....
amazing stuf...like what? "playing with new technology" instead of learning the basics?

veya_victaous wrote:LOL
old grumpy in now suggesting his generation had a better education 
Sorry
BUT everything since your generation came to power has PROVEN otherwise.

Notice the gap in innovation that between the Nazi scientists and the Gen Y tech natives... that would be YOUR generation

oh you mean the generation that gave YOU FM radio and indirectly DAB radio

that produced the first heart transplant

that innovated many drugs
that moved from the thermionic valve to the silicon chip

that actually made computers (albeit simple initially) that anyone could have

the engineers that produce GPS,

the geneticists that cracked the genomes

the medics that managed IVF

get your head out of your ass

Lord Foul wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:LOL
old grumpy in now suggesting his generation had a better education 
Sorry
BUT everything since your generation came to power has PROVEN otherwise.

Notice the gap in innovation that between the Nazi scientists and the Gen Y tech natives... that would be YOUR generation

oh you mean the generation that gave YOU FM radio and indirectly DAB radio

that produced the first heart transplant

that innovated many drugs
that moved from the thermionic valve to the silicon chip

that actually made computers (albeit simple initially) that anyone could have

the engineers that produce GPS,

the geneticists that cracked the genomes

the medics that managed IVF

get your head out of your ass

On that I'll agree.

And YES we did...we learned a lot about somethings ...THEN learned a bit about a lot as well....

moreover becasue of the "single exam system" we also learned to retain knowlege that we "read" or "heard"

unlike todays "open book" systems and continuous assesment,

we HAD to learn and I MEAN learn it fully totally and completely....

becasue we KNEW at the end of the year at least ONE of the questions would be about some obscure snippet of information we had been given right at the beginning of the year....(examiners were evil)

and you know what Veya....45 years on i can still recall over 90% of what I learned at school instantly....

Exactly victor, nothing..

ohh a slightly different wave length but still just analog radio So no really an invention just laying an extra lane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
Genetics? we had to wait until Gen X entered the research facilities, no one did anything by say 'we should look at that' until 1990

first transplant success were in the 1910's, so just refining the work of previous generations at snails pace compared to today.

GPS is Nazi's all satellite rocket tech is just the culmination of their work.


and the silicone chip was invented while baby boomers were still children 

1956: Silicon Comes to Silicon Valley
Shockley Semiconductor Laboratory develops Northern California's first prototype silicon devices while training young engineers and scientists for the future Silicon Valley.

You can recall 90% of what you learned in school but what does that even mean victor?  I can Recall 1000% more than what was taught in school... because school taught me how to learn not to remember lists outdated the day after printing.

sometimes veya YOU too can be as dim as Tommy

Lord Foul wrote:sometimes veya YOU too can be as dim as Tommy

Nuh, it's old buggers that don't like the truth.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It could also be said that those who earn more money actually have less time with their children because they work long hours and/or have a lot of responsibility at work.

Even if that were the case, you're talking about punishing the children for the actions of their parents. We need to be working to raise the standards of education for all children, not scapegoat their parents and make the kids suffer for being born into the wrong families.

No, I'm saying that having money doesn't necessarily give children an advantage when it comes to education.

Money may not in some cases be an advantage to a childs education but believe me it MORE than helps when they go to a PRIVATE School paid for by their parents.

We all know that which we know.

Stormee wrote:Money may not in some cases be an advantage to a childs education but believe me it MORE than helps when they go to a PRIVATE School paid for by their parents.

We all know that which we know.

Why do you think that is? Is there more discipline? Are the teachers better? Is it because they're not distracted so much?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Stormee wrote:Money may not in some cases be an advantage to a childs education but believe me it MORE than helps when they go to a PRIVATE School paid for by their parents.

We all know that which we know.

Why do you think that is? Is there more discipline? Are the teachers better? Is it because they're not distracted so much?

All of those things you mention Miss Ragga.

It costs about £16M per year to go to a top private school around here and there are lots of them, parents who pay this amount of money PA would not pay it for nowt, they want results.
My knowledge shows they must select the cream of teachers as all the families we know have educated children with exemplary manners.
These children are always smart in their uniforms, we see them everyday.

The main private school here is 'Warwick', it is outstanding with high exam results.
getting into it is extremely hard and as far as the 'Head' is concerned it is not based on the wealth of the parents but the aptitude and attitude of child and parents.

The discipline requirement is high but the last term young men have been known to be a bit norty at times, more boystrous.

Top schools attract the best because they are the best.