To All Anti Britishers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i54kqvYnCd8

This is a absolutely fantastic educational 90 minutes, I advise not to miss it.

I pay homage to all those who saved us in WW2.

I spit on those who are not patriots of our island and wish it harm.

Please watch it.

12 things you should know about Britain First

In this article I am going to explain twelve things you should know about the extreme-right hate group called Britain First.
                  
   Britain First is a BNP splinter group

Britain First was founded by a guy called Jim Dowson who ran a British National Party call centre in Belfast until he abandoned the party after being accused of indecently assaulting a woman in a hotel room. Dowson tried to claim that the accusations were part of a "dirty tricks" campaign to discredit him because he opposed BNP leader Nick Griffin's plan to comply with court rulings to remove discriminatory clauses from the BNP constitution. It's not much of a defence to say that the accusations against him were fabricated because he was even more right-wing than Nick Griffin, but that's the story he came out with.

Jim Dowson has got a track record of involvement with loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland, and with anti-women's rights groups. He is also very open about his homophobic views.

The treasurer of Britain First is also an ex-BNP man. Paul Golding was a BNP councilor in Sevenoaks between 2009 and 2011 and he also served as the BNP's communication officer. 

This ex-BNP pair stood as the Britain First candidates in Wales and Scotland in the 2014 European elections. As Britain First didn't stand any candidates in England, they advised their followers to vote for UKIP, which would hardly seem to be the kind of endorsement that Nigel Farage would want for his "we're definitely not fascists" party.

UPDATE: Britain First founder Jim Dowson quit in July 2014 saying that "No matter how many times I told [Paul Golding] I did not want decent Muslims intimidated, he just continued doing it ... I have come to the conclusion that no matter how hard I tried, you cannot escape from the fact that the group is being overrun with racists and extremists".
           
The largest and fastest growing UK political page on Facebook

Over 400,000 people have decided to "like" Britain First's Facebook page, meaning this extreme-right hate group has more followers than any other political party in the UK.

It should be a source of acute national embarrassment that at a time when the British public should be looking to genuine political alternatives to the bankrupt neoliberal status quo in Westminster, that hundreds of thousands of people are turning to an extreme-right hate group hell bent on scapegoating minorities, and that these followers are spreading the Britain First messages of hate and fear all over Facebook. 
                     
Deceitful tactics
          
Britain First use populist infographics to dupe unsuspecting people into following their hate group. In between Islamophobic rants and immigration lies the Britain First admins intersperse images that the majority of people agree with (infographics decrying animal cruelty, anti-paedophilia memes, support our troops/football team memes, don't leave dogs in hot cars memes ...) so that ordinary people get hooked in to following their page.

A lot of people end up following the page because they saw one of these populist "honey trap" images, without even realising that the page that produced them is an extreme-right hate group.
                   
Dodgy party funding
            
One of the most distasteful things about Britain First is the way that they elicit donations to their right-wing political party through animal cruelty shock tactics.

The image to the right is one of their most popular fundraising campaigns ever (shared a mind-boggling 791,234 times).

The image description says "help us stop this cruelty!" and includes a link to their Paypal donations page. The problem is that Britain First have made absolutely no effort to segregate funds raised through this "help us stop this cruelty!" appeal from their general donations. Neither have they explained anywhere how they plan to use all of this money to actually prevent animal cruelty.
 
Britain First believe that they can get away with appealing to people's good nature (abhorrence at animal cruelty) in order to soak up huge numbers of donations from unsuspecting people who imagine that their donations will be used to prevent animal cruelty, rather than fund an extreme-right political party.

In my view Britain First are guilty of obtaining party political donations under false pretenses, and of illegally funding their political party with overseas donations. I have written to the Electoral Commission to ask what they plan to do about it.
                                                
Abusing Lee Rigby's image

One of the most commonly occurring images on the Britain First Facebook page and on the Britain First website is a picture of the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. It is absolutely sickening that they choose to continue desecrating his memory by making him the "poster boy" of their extreme-right hate group despite the objections of his family.

In the 2014 European Elections they even used the phrase "Remember Lee Rigby" as their party description on the ballot papers in Wales. The Electoral Commission were hit by a tidal wave of condemnation for allowing them to use Lee Rigby's name like that, and eventually issued a groveling apology to the Rigby family.

Here's what Lee Rigby's mother had to say about their use of his name on the ballot paper.

"Well yet again can anymore heartbreak be thrown at me and my family, so heartbroken tonight. Electoral commission phoned saying that a party in Wales has stood for election in the European parliament named Britain First using Lee's name to promote their party and some fucker from the commission allowed it to go through but [they] cannot take any action till after the election which is held on my sons anniversary of his murder. Their views are not what Lee believed in and has no support from the family. Their will be a family apology from the electoral commission but cannot be made public till after 22nd of May. Lee's legacy will live on through Team Lee United Forces and all the good I hope to achieve xxxx" [source]

Desecrating the poppy symbol

Another one of Britain First's most disgusting tactics is to desecrate the poppy symbol by using it to raise funds for their extreme-right hate group.

The worst thing about it is that some vulnerable people may see the poppies and think that they're donating to a cause which helps former soldiers, rather than an extreme-right hate group.

The Royal British Legion have been informed that Britain First are using the poppy symbol to sell their tatty jackets and t-shirts, but even if the RBL come out and condemn this tactic in the strongest terms, one would expect Britain First to completely ignore them, just as they completely ignore the suffering they are inflicting on Lyn Rigby.

Outright Lies

Britain First are also guilty of spreading outright lies on their Facebook page. In one widely shared Britain First meme they claim that asylum seekers and illegal immigrants receive £29,900 per year in benefits.

This is blatantly untrue for several obvious reasons:

• Asylum Seekers and illegal immigrants are not the same thing, so they wouldn't have the same entitlements.
  

• Illegal immigrants are not even entitled to benefits. Given that they are in the country illegally they are extremely unlikely to turn up at the Jobcentre asking for benefits.
  

• The Tory benefits cap was introduced at £26,000 per year, so it seems more than a little unlikely that they are giving £29,900 per year to illegal immigrants.
  

The extreme right love to use the argument that "we can't even talk about immigration without being labeled racists and bigots". The problem is of course that they're not just "talking about" immigration, they are spreading outright lies about immigration.

In my view it is unacceptable to label someone a racist or a bigot if they raise legitimate concerns about immigration. However, if they resort to spreading outright lies about the subject in order to stir up resentment and hatred of immigrants, then fire away, because those are clearly the tactics of racists and bigots.
 
Hypocrisy

The admins on the Britain First Facebook page are an appalling bunch of hypocrites. They whine endlessly that their views are under threat from censorship, however they have a policy of purging their page of any critical comments and banning dissenting voices from ever coming back again.

Dozens and dozens of people have told me how they were banned from Britain First for daring to leave non-conformist comments, but you don't have to take my word for it, the Britain First admins are quite open about the way they routinely delete all critical comments.

If you still don't believe it, maybe you should try leaving a couple of politely worded criticisms (you shouldn't use the poppy symbol to raise funds for your own political party) or questions (what exactly have you done with the money raised through your animal welfare appeal?) and see how long it is before you experience the Britain First "delete and ban" treatment yourself.

To harp on and on about "free speech" whilst simultaneously engaging in one of the biggest mass censorship campaigns Facebook has ever seen is such an appalling display of hypocrisy that anyone, no matter what their political orientation, should be shocked by it.

These people hate free speech, and they only ever invoke it to claim that they have the right to do and say whatever they like (conning people out of money with animal cruelty shock tactics, debasing the poppy symbol, making a dead soldier their "poster boy" despite the protestations of his family, telling outright lies). When it comes to other people's free speech the Britain First admins can't hit the "block and ban" button quickly enough. In their view freedom of speech is the freedom to agree with them, if you happen to disagree with them, then freedom of speech doesn't exist for you.

The fact that they have censored such a huge number of people has inspired me to come up with this "I've been censored by Britain First" certificate which people can use as their Facebook banner image, because it should be a mark of pride that you've been censored by a bunch of extreme-right hatemongers.

A closed ideology echo chamber
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The Britain First Facebook page is a classic example of a closed ideology echo chamber, in which information, ideas, and beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an enclosed system.

Their policy of routinely purging the page of critical comments and banning dissenting voices demonstrates their commitment to keeping their followers brainwashed in an atmosphere of conformity.

Any group or society in which people who ask awkward questions or present counter-evidence are routinely censored is clearly a closed ideology echo chamber. With over 400,000 followers the Britain First Facebook page is one of the biggest examples of a ruthlessly enforced closed ideology environment in the history of Facebook.

Fascism
               
The American author Laurence Britt defined 14 characteristics of fascist regimes (you can see a copy of his article here). I'll list the 14 characteristics and compare with Britain First policies and strategies.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Britain First make constant use of patriotic mottoes, slogans, symbols and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights - One of Britain First's most common complaints is against the European Human Rights Act.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Britain First rally people into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism - Britain First constantly intersperse their posts with posts designed to glorify the military (often in order to sell their own merchandise or convince people to sign up to their organisation).

5. Rampant sexism - Britain First's founder Jim Dowson is strongly opposed to women's reproductive rights. This subject is never mentioned on the Britain First page because it would interfere with their populist appeal.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Thankfully Britain First haven't got to the stage where they can exert any control over the media, however their policy of ruthlessly censoring dissenting opinion on their Facebook page indicates their contempt for freedom of speech and their desire to control the spread of information.

7. Obsession with national security - Britain First are always harping on about threats to national security in order to whip up fear amongst their followers.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together - Fortunately Britain First are not part of the ruling elite, but it is absolutely clear that they see religion as an integral part of their political mission. Here's a quote from their statement of principles: "Britain First is committed to maintaining and strengthening Christianity as the foundation of our society and culture".

9. Corporate Power is Protected - Britain First like to present themselves as an alternative to globalisation, however their dalliance with the neoliberal Tea Party fringe in the US show that they have more in common with hardline neoliberals than they like to let on. Another indicator that they are no opponents of globalisation is the way they use their Facebook page and website to propagandise for Cadbury's, which was once a British company, but is now owned by the American multinational giant Kraft.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated - Britain First make a big deal out of opposing socialism and trade unions as enemy ideologies and they also use their Facebook page to attack the minimum wage.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts - The Britain First Facebook page is rife with anti-intellectual comments and infographics.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Britain First are obsessed with crime and punishment, making frequent calls for the death penalty to be re-introduced. Nooses and gallows are recurring motifs on the Britain First page, and they also use public outrage at judicial decisions, in order to con people into donating to their political party.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption - Thankfully Britain First have no political power, so they are not in the position to use their power to enrich themselves and their cronies, but judging by the fact that there is no open process over how appointments are made within the party, and their deceitful fundraising tactics, it's not hard to imagine what Britain would be like if these guys were in charge.

[size=16][size=13]14. Fraudulent elections - Once again, these guys are not in charge of the country, so they haven't got the power to rig elections in their own favour. [/size][/size]

[size=13]Of the fourteen characteristics of fascism identified by Laurence Britt, Britain First meet most of them, and the only ones they don't meet are the ones that it is impossible for them to meet due to their absolute lack of political power.[/size]

A national disgrace
        
A severe economic depression followed by the rapid rise of right-wing nationalist extremism and the scapegoating of minority groups seems to be a case of history repeating itself.

An interesting contrast can be made with the rise of the left-wing anti-corruption party Podemos (We Can) in Spain. They have experienced a similar lightning rise in popularity, with their Facebook page passing 500,000 followers within three months of the foundation of the party. But instead of fostering fear and and inciting hatred of minorities, they lay the blame firmly at the door of the corrupt Spanish establishment and propose reforms to put political power back into the hands of the people.

Podemos are committed to fighting corruption and increasing people power through democratic participation. Britain First are committed to parading around on paramilitary style marches, invading mosques, scamming money from unsuspecting people and spreading outright lies.

It's pretty sad that in Spain, a country that was still ruled over by a fascist dictatorship less than 40 years ago, people are looking to a party that presents a real alternative to neoliberalism and corruption, whilst in Britain, a country that has never experience a full-on fascist regime, people are looking to the extreme-right fringe in their hundreds of thousands.

Given the enormous sacrifices made by previous generations in the fight against fascism, it is a national disgrace that right-wing extremism is on the rise in the UK. What makes it even worse is the fact that Britain First use those very sacrifices in order to raise funds for their own brand of right-wing extremism.

how is that got anything to do with Anti British people.. I mean the 'anti British' Saved your asses back then even though Churchill was a ----.
This OP promotes anti British feelings because it keeps rehashing the same old propaganda. It's not that people wish the UK harm, the UK is not that important, it is the arrogant knobs that thinks the UK is that important that incites the anti British feeling. 


World War 2 Started in China By Japanese offensive
Hitler and the Nazi Joined the JAPANESE initiated war.
The War Ended when the USA nuked Japan
there was some side conflicts that Started and ended within that time that the Russians won, but it was an almost Pyrrhic victory that allowed the USA to take political control over western Europe.


Yes I know the Racists in Europe like to make out that the only important parts happen in Europe but facts are Started in Asia Ended in Asia.
the USA Only even bothered with Hitler because of constant crying from the British through Churchill to be saved.

Stop Anglocentric propaganda passing for history

I agree veya that is the broadest sense the war started and finished in Asia.

But in truth we are talking about 2, maybe even 3 seperate wars.

The Sino-Japanese war of 1937-1945
The War in the Pacific 1941-1945
The European war against fascism 1939-1945

The 3rd would have happened regardless of what was happening in Asia and the reverse is also true.

And the part of the war that effected half a billion people is more than part of the war effect 2 billion people because?

a European is not the equivalent of 4 Asians, the way Europe rehashes world war 2 is a classic case study in institutional racism and they way it is used in propaganda to devalue people that are different.

And in the Actual real sense of the 'World War' there is literally no way it can be described as being started in Europe. either it starts with first hostile action, Japan invading China, or the point when all major powers are involved, Pearl harbor.

Where did I say Europeans are more important than Asians? I didn't say or imply that.

If I had to guess though I'd bet in Chinese schools the Sino-Japanese war is given more attention than the war against Hitler- do you NEED me to explain why there are different focuses in China and Britain? Really?

And in fact, due to the European war taking place in Europe, Africa and the Atlantic ocean and eventually involving America there is easily cause to refer to it as a world war in its own right (much like WW1).

I'm not disagreeing that in the broadest sense it began in China- but it was no way a world war at that point. It involved 2 nations.

From 1939 there was a war involving Britain, France, Germany and its Allies and by default ALL nations that made up the empires of those countries. At this point two seperate wars were taking place but only one could be called a world war. Eventually the Japanese, allied with Germany, forced the Sino-Japanese war into the global conflict.

I'm not saying we shouldn't see the Japanese invasion of China as ultimately the start of what became WW2, but once again you are trying to paint a picture that runs down Europe and implies racism on our perspectives.

The OP Say...
I am Anti British if I don't believe this British propaganda.
that Propaganda Implies European Are the entire world and that they are worth more than Asians.
So I 100% back my claims of European's Arrogance with regards to their importance in history AND the fact they Perpetually and Push their propaganda to everyone Else!. the BBC spends millions every year pushing the Anglocentric version of history on to the rest of the world.


Saying Europe should be able to do it and completely ignoring history, basically like saying the an African American has not residual difficulties from a history slavery. This is the equivalent of black face minstrels. Racist Propaganda being paraded as Historically accurate entertainment.

Has anyone actually watched the Video?

Stormee wrote:Has anyone actually watched the Video?

Don't really have an hour and a half to watch a youtube video ...

Stormee wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/is-britain-really-full-up-we-put-the-most-common-assumptions-about-immigration-to-an-expert-10427400.html

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Stormee wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/is-britain-really-full-up-we-put-the-most-common-assumptions-about-immigration-to-an-expert-10427400.html

Yep Ben, but people like Stormee don't want to know the truth.

'With Open Gates'

Write this above into 'youtube'

you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

BULLSHIT!!

nicko wrote:BULLSHIT!!

Says the Englishman lol

BULLSHIT, AGAIN.

nicko wrote:BULLSHIT,    AGAIN.

Haters gonna hate

Weird how so many of the rwers on here are always so angry.

Handy Andy wrote:Weird how so many of the rwers on here are always so angry.

could be a genetic flaw Andy.....who knows but they do always seem angry at something don`t they

The paradox is that it is us lefties who have every right to be angry -particularly at the self serving millionaires governing us - purely for their own benefit.
If WW3 starts, and Cameron is told by the USA to press the retaliatory red button, who will survive?
The Tory cabinet will emerge 6 months later from their nuclear bunker to a world devastated by their own greed and stupidity.
But as far as they are concerned,they will still be at their rightful place, in charge.

Handy Andy wrote:The paradox is that it is us lefties who have every right to be angry -particularly at the self serving millionaires governing us - purely for their own benefit.
If WW3 starts, and Cameron is told by the USA to press the retaliatory red button, who will survive?
The Tory cabinet will emerge 6 months later from their nuclear  bunker to a world devastated by their own greed and stupidity.
But as far as they are concerned,they will still be at their rightful place, in charge.

As Billy Connelly would say "oh they bloody think so"

Handy Andy wrote:The paradox is that it is us lefties who have every right to be angry -particularly at the self serving millionaires governing us - purely for their own benefit.
If WW3 starts, and Cameron is told by the USA to press the retaliatory red button, who will survive?
The Tory cabinet will emerge 6 months later from their nuclear  bunker to a world devastated by their own greed and stupidity.
But as far as they are concerned,they will still be at their rightful place, in charge.

Have a greenie for that, spot on.

Korban, I don't hate you, how could I when I don't know you personally? As far as I see, your just another person who hates the English

korban dallas wrote:you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

That's an xlnt point, as is veya's point that rejecting British arrogance is not the same as being anti-British.  

It was the French who first noticed that the British have a way of putting themselves first on the evolutionary ladder, and everything else follows.  Any questioning of this sends a Brit to the walls to defend against the audacious claim that the British are not the most perfect beings god ever put clay to bone for.

The rest of the world ignores them--which also pisses off the average Brit.  Nothing will stiffen the back of a Britisher more than the suggestion that a fight over some spit-spattered islands in the south Atlantic, with a pissant third-world nation, was not WWIII.

But the world takes 'em as they come.  They are lovable old liver-spotted, tea snorting, superannuated souls, who in their dotage remember fondly the Battle of Khushab, while the nurse tucks in the Union Jack throw round the shoulders.

I am truly English. 100%.But KD doesn't appear to hate me.
Truth is,we have a lot in common and I consider him an firm internet friend.
I hope that sentiment is reciprocated.

nicko wrote:Korban,   I don't hate you,   how could I when I don't know you personally? As far as I see, your just another person who hates the English

That's a sweeping statement Nick.
Does KD hate ALL English or just the selfish ,greedy in it for themselves ones,?
If it's the latter, he is pretty justified!

Yes handy, but he did not make it clear, making "sweeping" statements like that is bound to annoy people.

Handy Andy wrote:I am truly English. 100%.But KD doesn't appear to hate me.
Truth is,we have a lot in common and I consider him an firm internet friend.
I hope that sentiment is reciprocated.

i am very fond of you Andy as you know ..i am also very fond of my mother (English)my sister (English) i don`t hate the English at all i even have a very English accent i lived in england for most of my life but what i have found and what i was pointing out was British is a collective term for the four nations and it has been my experience and supported by some anecdotal evidence that i have seen and experienced in the past that peoples attitude change towards people when they know they are "Scottish" rather than "English"

Original Quill wrote:

korban dallas wrote:you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

That's an xlnt point, as is veya's point that rejecting British arrogance is not the same as being anti-British.  

It was the French who first noticed that the British have a way of putting themselves first on the evolutionary ladder, and everything else follows.  Any questioning of this sends a Brit to the walls to defend against the audacious claim that the British are not the most perfect beings god ever put clay to bone for.

The rest of the world ignores them--which also pisses off the average Brit.  Nothing will stiffen the back of a Britisher more than the suggestion that a fight over some spit-spattered islands in the south Atlantic, with a pissant third-world nation, was not WWIII.

But the world takes 'em as they come.  They are lovable old liver-spotted, tea snorting, superannuated souls, who in their dotage remember fondly the Battle of Khushab, while the nurse tucks in the Union Jack throw round the shoulders.

Don't generalise will you?

I don't care if everyone ignored Britain. I'd quite like it actually. Then we wouldn't have had the likes of Bush nagging our Government to help them out in the Middle East, and we wouldn't have people jumping on lorries and trains to come here illegally.

nicko wrote:Korban,   I don't hate you,   how could I when I don't know you personally? As far as I see, your just another person who hates the English

It's just envy. The English are better at football than the Scots - not much better admittedly, but better.

Raggamuffin wrote:

nicko wrote:Korban,   I don't hate you,   how could I when I don't know you personally? As far as I see, your just another person who hates the English

It's just envy. The English are better at football than the Scots - not much better admittedly, but better.

i will take your word for that because i don`t even know what bat you use to play it

Handy Andy wrote:Weird how so many of the rwers on here are always so angry.

Are you kidding? Ben had a massive fit not long back, Veya had one as well. Sassy regularly gets angry, and so do you - usually about some imagined slight on another forum.

Handy Andy wrote:

nicko wrote:Korban,   I don't hate you,   how could I when I don't know you personally? As far as I see, your just another person who hates the English

That's a sweeping statement Nick.
Does KD hate ALL English or just the selfish ,greedy in it for themselves ones,?
If it's the latter, he is pretty justified!

Are you suggesting that Scottish people are never selfish or greedy?

The Scottish Personality - A Nice Surprise

If you base your expectations of Scottish character traits on common 'wisdom' or stereotypes, you're going to be happy to learn that most of them are not accurate

Of course we don't expect all American/Canadian/Australian/English/French people (etc. etc.) to be the same - or to think/act the same way, or have the same beliefs. It's the same principle.

But there are often cultural similarities which show up in large numbers of the population, and this is as true of Scotland as it is anywhere else.

Here's a list of character traits that your average Scot may have (but remember, any individual may have 10% of these, or 50%, or 90%.... or none!). Every one is unique.

   We know the value of a dollar (or pound!). This doesn't mean that Scots are tight-fisted or mean, just that we're careful about spending and expect value for money.
   Polite but reserved, until we get to know you.
   Forthright and honest. We'll say what they mean, but not with malice.
   Patriotic - Scottish people might complain about the weather, or politics, or whatever but we're fiercely proud of their country and will defend it with their last breath.
   Fiery and bold. Historically Scots are brave, stubborn, and courageous. Still true.
   Social and friendly, once they know you. You might be surprised at how 'chatty' a Scot can be, especially if he/she has had a drink or two
   Practical and down-to-earth. One side of our personality is very grounded and matter-of-fact. We don't like pretenses or 'fake-ness'.
   Superstitious, sentimental and spiritual. Many Scottish people have a strong belief in the supernatural, and in the strength of mythical and psychic worlds. Unexpectedly emotional for such a practical people.
   Appreciate the arts. Scotland has produced more than it's fair share of artists, poets, writers & musicians. Scots especially love music, dancing, story-telling and literature.
   Hard-working. Historically this is a country founded and grown on hard work. First farmers and crofters, then heavy industrial plants and shipyards, today it's finance and service industries.
   Know how to have a good time. Celebrations, dancing, drinking, singing.... we're expert at these.
   Enjoy their food! The Scottish diet is traditionally rich in red meat, fats and sugar. Tastes great, but not so good for your health. Today's government is encouraging healthier eating - hoping to reduce the high heart-attack stats and fight obesity. Not all Scots appreciate this!
   Also like 'a wee dram'. Of whisky that is. Scotch Whisky is world-famous, and for good reason. Younger generations enjoy vodka and beer too, and we don't all like whisky (personally I can't even bear the smell of it!) and the all-time favorite soft drink of Scotland is Irn Bru.

Scottish people are also a talented, creative and forward-thinking bunch.

Handy Andy wrote:The paradox is that it is us lefties who have every right to be angry -particularly at the self serving millionaires governing us - purely for their own benefit.
If WW3 starts, and Cameron is told by the USA to press the retaliatory red button, who will survive?
The Tory cabinet will emerge 6 months later from their nuclear  bunker to a world devastated by their own greed and stupidity.
But as far as they are concerned,they will still be at their rightful place, in charge.

We're not as angry as them because we enjoy the inner peace of knowing we're standing up for what's right, whereas they're constantly irritated by the nagging suspicion that their ideas are at the root of most of the world's problems

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:The paradox is that it is us lefties who have every right to be angry -particularly at the self serving millionaires governing us - purely for their own benefit.
If WW3 starts, and Cameron is told by the USA to press the retaliatory red button, who will survive?
The Tory cabinet will emerge 6 months later from their nuclear  bunker to a world devastated by their own greed and stupidity.
But as far as they are concerned,they will still be at their rightful place, in charge.

We're not as angry as them because we enjoy the inner peace of knowing we're standing up for what's right, whereas they're constantly irritated by the nagging suspicion that their ideas are at the root of most of the world's problems

ain`t that the truth

korban dallas wrote:you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

It's ok to hate the English on here.
But you mustn't hate:

Indians
Pakistanis
Serbians
Anybody from other parts of Europe
Anybody from a "Black" Country
Anybody from a "Muslim" country


Because if you do:

Youre right wing
Intolerant
Ignorant
Generalising
Racist
Conservative


Now where was I going with this post.....?

sassy wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Stormee wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/is-britain-really-full-up-we-put-the-most-common-assumptions-about-immigration-to-an-expert-10427400.html

Yep Ben, but people like Stormee don't want to know the truth.

Luton is full up
So is London


Perhaps is doesn't affect your part of the country?

eddie wrote:

korban dallas wrote:you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

It's ok to hate the English on here.
But you mustn't hate:

Indians
Pakistanis
Serbians
Anybody from other parts of Europe
Anybody from a "Black" Country
Anybody from a "Muslim" country


Because if you do:

Youre right wing
Intolerant
Ignorant
Generalising
Racist
Conservative


Now where was I going with this post.....?

.................and its a from me Eddie. I hate hypocrisy.   that's for Les, he loves it when I growl

Raggamuffin wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:Weird how so many of the rwers on here are always so angry.

Are you kidding? Ben had a massive fit not long back, Veya had one as well. Sassy regularly gets angry, and so do you - usually about some imagined slight on another forum.

Balderdash!  There's a difference between inflamed and angry.  You get inflamed when interacting with someone.  Anger is a steady state.  

RWers dislike people, and thus they are in a steady state of anger at other people.  They don't like healthcare, they don't like the sick, they don't like the disabled, they don't like children, they don't like education, they don't like the unemployed, they don't like the hungry, they don't like the impoverished, and they generally don't like blacks and Muslims.  That's real anger.

Oh...and they love wars. What does that tell you?

You forget that they hate anyone with designs to better themselves.
They hate aspiration.
They believe they are destined to rule and lead because of inherited titles and wealth.
In their eyes, there are the rich elite and the plebs.

eddie wrote:

korban dallas wrote:you know i feel it should be pointed out that when people say they hate the "British" they are generally talking about the English
Not the Scots ,Irish or welsh certainty the Scots are very well regarded around the world

It's ok to hate the English on here.
But you mustn't hate:

Indians
Pakistanis
Serbians
Anybody from other parts of Europe
Anybody from a "Black" Country
Anybody from a "Muslim" country


Because if you do:

Youre right wing
Intolerant
Ignorant
Generalising
Racist
Conservative


Now where was I going with this post.....?

But you mustn't hate:

Indians
Pakistanis
Serbians
Anybody from other parts of Europe
Anybody from a "Black" Country
Anybody from a "Muslim" country


Why would you want to?

If anyone wants to take my country away from me they should take up arms and fight for it NOT have louse bound scummy thieving feather their own nests politicians give to them on a silver platter buckshee and without them firing a shot in anger.

This country will go up in flames one day because of muzziz

It will go up in flames because of the tory led austerity long before the Muslims.

Stormee wrote:If anyone wants to take my country away from me they should take up arms and fight for it NOT have louse bound scummy thieving feather their own nests politicians give to them on a silver platter buckshee and without them firing a shot in anger.

This country will go up in flames one day because of muzziz

You're ignorant.

Not so ignorant this morning is he!

My first impulse is to hit back, but how?

nicko wrote:My first impulse is to hit back,  but how?  

Nuke Syria.

But expect a nucear response.

If labour hadn't mismanaged the economy for so long and imported so many costly immigrants... then there would not be any need to try to but back on spending.


Labour left us hugely in debt and with annual borrowing at £180 billion and rising!!!


If labour hadn't led us into the disasterous cluster fuck in iraq and Afghanistan then the region would be much more stable now and we wouldn't be facing the constant terrorist threats we are...


If labour hadn't allowed so many Muslims into our country then we would have much less of a threat and a threat that would be much easier to monitor and deal with.