Video: Israelis surround and shoot Arab woman

In the age of phone cameras, we have become increasingly used to photos and videos of Palestinians in the West Bank being shot by soldiers in unjustifiable circumstances.

Think of 18-year-old Hadeel Hashlamon, who was killed late last month at a checkpoint in Hebron. A series of photos of her suggest, in the words of Amnesty International, that she was “executed” by the soldiers there. She was shot multiple times and left to bleed to death.

The army claimed she had a knife, which they photographed on the ground nearby. But whether she was carrying the knife or it was planted there, still an issue that has not been resolved, the more important point is this: she posed no threat, let alone a lethal one, to anyone when she was killed.

Now we have a disturbing video of a similar shooting but this time not in the occupied territories. This occurs inside Israel and the victim is an Israeli citizen – a member of the country’s Palestinian minority, which comprises a fifth of Israel’s population.

Israa Abed, a 30-year-old mother of three from Nazareth, was shot today at the central bus station in Afula, close to Nazareth. She was surrounded by many soldiers, police and what appear to be armed Israeli civilians. The soldiers there are probably passengers on the many buses that pass through Afula.

The Israeli media initially reported that she was shot while trying to stab a security guard. The video (below) shows that to be definitively not the case. She is shot after long moments of standing apparently terrified in the bus station, in what looks like a state of all-consuming panic, as more and more people point their guns at her.

From the quality of this video it is near-impossible to know whether she is holding a knife. (My update below presents a new video strongly suggesting that she is holding a pair of sunglasses, not a knife.)  But it is possible to see that, like Hashlamon, she poses no threat to any of the soldiers when she is shot. That point is underlined by the fact that several soldiers and policemen move closer to her, not away from her, in the final moments before she is shot. She does little more than sway throughout the video, appearing to turn when a policeman runs directly towards her as several gun shots ring out on the sound track.

Fortunately, she appears to have survived the shooting and is reported to be in a stable condition in hospital.

But this video is troubling for several reasons.

First, and most obviously, this woman was shot when she posed no immediate threat. The person or people who opened fire did so with no possible justification, apart from their own fears. One cannot help wondering whether the ease with which Israeli Jews shoot Palestinians, whether fellow citizens of Israel or victims of the occupation, reflects long-dominant discourses in the Israeli education system, media and politics that dehumanise “Arabs”.

Second, the shooting seems to occur not because the armed people around her fear they are in danger, but because the group push themselves into a collective frenzy about the alleged knife. In this kind of atmosphere, someone is going to pull the trigger sooner or later.

This is very similar to another recent video, in which a group of religious (and unarmed) Jews chase after Fadi Alloun in a large open area in Jerusalem calling for him to be shot. When security forces turn up, the video shows police opening fire, apparently on the orders of the crowd, killing him. Again, Alloun does not appear to be posing a threat to anyone at the time he is shot.

Third, Israeli politicians, including the mayor of Jerusalem, Nir Barkat, have called on Israeli Jewish civilians to carry their weapons at all times and be ready to use them. This video shows where this policy is likely to lead: summary justice carried out by the most unhinged link in the security chain.

Fourth, it is a deeply worrying new trend inside Israel that Jewish civilians are starting to mimick the settlers in the occupied territories in believing they should be carrying out revenge attacks themselves. Today, a Jewish man in Dimona stabbed four Palestinians, two of them Israeli citizens. This video offers a vivid illustration of the mood of victimhood that is sweeping Israel, one that makes Israelis fast on the trigger and ready to play the role of avenging angel.

It is bad enough that Palestinians in Israel have to face security forces that treat them like an enemy. But things will get much, much worse when even the highly prejudicial rule of law in Israel is replaced by the lynch mob.

UPDATE:

From the quality of the available videos, it is difficult to tell what Israa has in her hand that the armed Israelis believe is a knife. But the four-second video clip below strongly suggests that it was a pair of sunglasses. They are clearly visible lying next to her prone body, moments after she has been shot. They are kicked away by one of the bystanders.

The original video shows her slowly raise her arm and then gently move her hand forward in a kind of waving motion. (More paranoid viewers have suggested to me that she is doing some sort of slow-motion stabbing gesture into the air.) It looks very much as though she is imploring the soldiers to look more carefully at the object she is holding. However one looks at it, and whatever it is she’s holding, she is clearly terrified.

- See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2015-10-09/video-israelis-shoot-motionless-arab-woman/#sthash.FSxiGwtj.dpuf

There are two vidioes on there, the second can be seen more clearly on

https://www.facebook.com/Kzzder/videos/817539798344744/

If you start it and stop it immediately, you can see what he kicks away A PAIR OF SUNGLASSES


Murder by multiple IDF of a tiny terrified Palestinian woman.

Evil beyond imagination,
All the world has to apologize to our children, specially those who have created this evil (the so called "Israel" on our land, Britain, France, Germany and the US among other West countries. This child is called ِHasan Khaled Elmahania , he is only 13 years old, he was chased today noon by terrorist Zionist colonist through the streets of the illegal Besgat Za'if colony in occupied Jerusalem, the child was running because he was afraid of the evil chasing him, while the evil is shouting and saying that this little child stabbed a colonist which is not true as usual, they could catch the child, arrest him, but no, they want him dead, they always want us dead, so, some of the ISIS of Zionist occupation Jews, soldiers and police opened fire at the little child, shot his tender flesh many times, deadly shoots, the child didnt die at once, he was struggling to live, calling for help, while the Zionist ISIS were just watching him dying for few minutes and saying, all of them saying in Arabic, Hebrew "die, die you mother fucker, die", they had all the chance to save his life, but they didnt, they were just watching him dying, insulting and kicking him and asking him to die, he listened to them and Died, he didnt to live in such evil unjust world anymore, and all these crimes are still unpunished, 12 October 2015.




And before you start kicking off about links Didge, I've already said about stuff given to me privately and Ben has said he has no problem with it.  Links are only required because of copywrite.

I've seen the video of the little above dying, with people screaming at him to die and kicking him, with blood bubbling out of his mouth.  The ambulance was there and they wouldn't let it through.

Important to all Palestinians,
1. Put your ID on your shirt when going out.
2. Dont carry anything in your hands when going out.
3. Dont wear a Jacket when going out.
4. Dont argue with the Zionist Taxi driver on the price.
5. If you sneeze dont slide your hand into your pocket to get a tissue.
6. Try not to look like a Palestinian.
7. Dont forget to farewell your family before you go out, you may not come back.
If you dont follow these instructions you will be accused of trying to stab a Zionist colonist and will be shot dead.
Pic taken today in occupied Jerusalem.

Nothing shocks me anymore and these pictures of a a young woman lying bleeding on the street are heartbreaking Even if it were true that she attacked with a knife how on earth can a team of highly trained soldiers could not overpower a young woman without having to blast her to death.

The picture above your post Irn, this is what her school friends said:

https://www.facebook.com/ShehabAgency.MainPage/videos/1208108629231555/?fref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/ShehabAgency.MainPage/videos/1208108629231555/

While one of my Palestinian friends says:

How to kill a Palestinian in a legal way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
Terrorist Zionist colonists are exchanging through their social media networks a description of how to kill Palestinians fast in a legal way, this is the way:" throw a knife or a gun next to the targeted Palestinian (male or female) and immediately start shouting and call for the assistance of the security forces who are all around, who will respond fast and shoot dead the Palestinian, and of course, the Palestinian's house or his family's will be demolished, his family will become homeless and will be forced out....and we the settlers will get the Government's assistance at all levels, win win", 12 October 2015.
The pic of a 15 years old Palestinian school girl who was on her way back home from school today, a terrorist Zionist colonist shouted for help and claimed from far that she has a knife, and directly more than 10 Zionist occupation police and soldiers surrounded her and opened fire at her, she is still alive but critically wounded.

Well she seems a very sensible and responsible young girl hardly like to be telling a pack of lies.

I never knew the young girl was school kid.

It's shocking.

You can see she is wearing the same top as the girl in the video, obviously their uniform.

Is it any wonder the violence is escalating.  There are talks of every city in the West Bank marching to East Jerusalem (which is Palestinian) tonight.

oops ! another load of crap posted from the Jew hater

Irn Bru wrote:Nothing shocks me anymore and these pictures of a a young woman lying bleeding on the street are heartbreaking  Even if it were true that she attacked with a knife how on earth can a team of highly trained soldiers could not overpower a young woman without having to blast her to death.

Its shocking to see Christians crucified too and little children beheaded because they won't convert to islam .

Imagine how Lee Rigby suffered having his head sawed off and the grief his parents feel ????

What a shockng scene and so young too

Many Israeli's are now calling for stopping the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians and many are holding marches.  That's real courage.

Idiotic article.
Being that I have actually watched to clips of this incident where the girl was shot. The soldiers shouted warnings in Hebrew and English. She refused to do so and being as there has been a spate of attacks all incited by both Hamas and Fatah. Placed in the position of the Israli Police, would you hestiate to shoot

Anyway she was holding a knife with clear intent.


Anyone who’s been paying attention so far would assume — correctly — that the woman was brandishing a knife. Here’s a video still from Israel’s News 10.

What’s less immediately obvious, though, is that the woman didn’t actually die. The Jerusalem Post reports:

In the clip, police officers and security guards are seen aiming their weapons at the woman, who had pulled out a knife and refused repeated instructions to place it on the ground.
Seconds later, the woman is shot in her lower body. She was listed in moderate condition and transported to Poriya Hospital in Tiberias for treatment.

Cuchulain wrote:Idiotic article.
Being that I have actually watched to clips of this incident where the girl was shot. The soldiers shouted warnings in Hebrew and English. She refused to do so and being as there has been a spate of attacks all incited by both Hamas and Fatah. Placed in the position of the Israli Police, would you hestiate to shoot

Anyway she was holding a knife with clear intent.


Anyone who’s been paying attention so far would assume — correctly — that the woman was brandishing a knife. Here’s a video still from Israel’s News 10.

What’s less immediately obvious, though, is that the woman didn’t actually die. The Jerusalem Post reports:

In the clip, police officers and security guards are seen aiming their weapons at the woman, who had pulled out a knife and refused repeated instructions to place it on the ground.
Seconds later, the woman is shot in her lower body. She was listed in moderate condition and transported to Poriya Hospital in Tiberias for treatment.

thanks for the truth didge .

Cuchulain wrote:Idiotic article.
Being that I have actually watched to clips of this incident where the girl was shot. The soldiers shouted warnings in Hebrew and English. She refused to do so and being as there has been a spate of attacks all incited by both Hamas and Fatah. Placed in the position of the Israli Police, would you hestiate to shoot

Anyway she was holding a knife with clear intent.


Anyone who’s been paying attention so far would assume — correctly — that the woman was brandishing a knife. Here’s a video still from Israel’s News 10.

What’s less immediately obvious, though, is that the woman didn’t actually die. The Jerusalem Post reports:

In the clip, police officers and security guards are seen aiming their weapons at the woman, who had pulled out a knife and refused repeated instructions to place it on the ground.
Seconds later, the woman is shot in her lower body. She was listed in moderate condition and transported to Poriya Hospital in Tiberias for treatment.

You obviously didn't want to watch the second video link that I posted, which shows quite clearly what she was holding was SUNGLASSES, as said in the OP.  None of the soldiers were ever in any danger, and in fact instead of moving away from her, they were all moving towards her.  So you obviously justify killing unarmed women because they are Palestinian.  Doesn't surprise me in the least.

one woman with a knife not dead so it seems, what's the big issue here ?

I can't see what she's holding. I see something glinting her left hand at one point.

However, I would have thought they could overpower her without shooting her.

If people really are carrying these knives about though, clearly there's going to be some paranoia and some trigger happy people.

Raggamuffin wrote:I can't see what she's holding. I see something glinting her left hand at one point.

However, I would have thought they could overpower her without shooting her.

If people really are carrying these knives about though, clearly there's going to be some paranoia and some trigger happy people.

Being that weekend there had been a suicide attempt with a female with a car again would you take any chances Rags?
Like I say there is videos of this and being the heightened situation, how on earth can you even attempt to say how they should of dealt with the situation?
Its easy to say in hindsight, but with the growing numbers of attacks, why should they take any unecessary risks?

There has to be a reason why they were aiming at her in the first place. I don't think they just felt like shooting a random woman.

And yes, I can understand that nobody wants to take any chances. If someone is standing still though, I would have thought they could do something to apprehend them before shooting them.

Again would you take the risk Rags, incase she held a grenade of which another terrorist tried to used and ended up blowing himself up.
The evidence is damning she was armed, as again this is backed up by countless warnings from the Police.

I mean the view it was sunglasses has to be most idiotic, as according to the article people normally hold them in their hands when outdoors and not wear them.

Well we need more info don't we? We need to know more about what led up to it in the first place.

There's no mention of any other weapons or bombs, there's just a report that she was threatening them with a knife. If she was shot because of a knife, well she wasn't trying to stab anyone at the time, but she may well have been refusing to put it down.

There's a better video here. Dunno if it's already been posted.

http://newsmyviews.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/israa-abed-shot-by-israeli-idf-soldiers-not-removing-hijab-real-story-video.html

She looks like she's talking on a phone at one point.

Oh, and the object which was kicked away certainly looked like a pair of sunglasses, not a knife.

sassy wrote:Evil beyond imagination,
All the world has to apologize to our children, specially those who have created this evil (the so called "Israel" on our land, Britain, France, Germany and the US among other West countries. This child is called ِHasan Khaled Elmahania , he is only 13 years old, he was chased today noon by terrorist Zionist colonist through the streets of the illegal Besgat Za'if colony in occupied Jerusalem, the child was running because he was afraid of the evil chasing him, while the evil is shouting and saying that this little child stabbed a colonist which is not true as usual, they could catch the child, arrest him, but no, they want him dead, they always want us dead, so, some of the ISIS of Zionist occupation Jews, soldiers and police opened fire at the little child, shot his tender flesh many times, deadly shoots, the child didnt die at once, he was struggling to live, calling for help, while the Zionist ISIS were just watching him dying for few minutes and saying, all of them saying in Arabic, Hebrew "die, die you mother fucker, die", they had all the chance to save his life, but they didnt, they were just watching him dying, insulting and kicking him and asking him to die, he listened to them and Died, he didnt to live in such evil unjust world anymore, and all these crimes are still unpunished, 12 October 2015.




And before you start kicking off about links Didge, I've already said about stuff given to me privately and Ben has said he has no problem with it.  Links are only required because of copywrite.

I've seen the video of the little above dying, with people screaming at him to die and kicking him, with blood bubbling out of his mouth.  The ambulance was there and they wouldn't let it through.

There's a video here. There is an ambulance there at one point, but nobody seems to be doing much.

CAUTION - I'll just post the link only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QEyQRsj_78&feature=youtu.be

Raggamuffin wrote:Well we need more info don't we? We need to know more about what led up to it in the first place.

There's no mention of any other weapons or bombs, there's just a report that she was threatening them with a knife. If she was shot because of a knife, well she wasn't trying to stab anyone at the time, but she may well have been refusing to put it down.

Again you are speaking in hindsight of the event.
Again in their situation and the a person is not heeding warnings, where countless people have been attacked, would you take the risk, not knowing what else they might be armed with?
In other words the Police are not taking any risks and who at the end if the day can blame them. This woman was clearly warned and then wounded as she did not heed.

lol that is not sunglasses in her hand

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well we need more info don't we? We need to know more about what led up to it in the first place.

There's no mention of any other weapons or bombs, there's just a report that she was threatening them with a knife. If she was shot because of a knife, well she wasn't trying to stab anyone at the time, but she may well have been refusing to put it down.

Again you are speaking in hindsight of the event.
Again in their situation and the a person is not heeding warnings, where countless people have been attacked, would you take the risk, not knowing what else they might be armed with?
In other words the Police are not taking any risks and who at the end if the day can blame them. This woman was clearly warned and then wounded as she did not heed.

I'm not speaking in hindsight at all, I'm talking about what's been reported in the article, and what I've seen on the video. I can find nothing official about the incident, hence my remark that we need more info.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Again you are speaking in hindsight of the event.
Again in their situation and the a person is not heeding warnings, where countless people have been attacked, would you take the risk, not knowing what else they might be armed with?
In other words the Police are not taking any risks and who at the end if the day can blame them. This woman was clearly warned and then wounded as she did not heed.

I'm not speaking in hindsight at all, I'm talking about what's been reported in the article, and what I've seen on the video. I can find nothing official about the incident, hence my remark that we need more info.

Well I am trying to ask you to imagine for one moment what it could be like to be in this situation when there is daily attacks if you were one of the Israeli Police.


Again the OP is nothing more than terroist apologist bull.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not speaking in hindsight at all, I'm talking about what's been reported in the article, and what I've seen on the video. I can find nothing official about the incident, hence my remark that we need more info.

Well I am trying to ask you to imagine for one moment what it could be like to be in this situation when there is daily attacks if you were one of the Israeli Police.


Again the OP is nothing more than terroist apologist bull.

I would need to know what the situation was before I could comment on that. That's why I was looking for further info about what led up to what we can see on the video.

Raggamuffin wrote:I can't see what she's holding. I see something glinting her left hand at one point.

However, I would have thought they could overpower her without shooting her.

If people really are carrying these knives about though, clearly there's going to be some paranoia and some trigger happy people.

The second vdio link of it:  https://www.facebook.com/Kzzder/videos/817539798344744/

Start it, stop it immediately, enlarge it and you can see quite clearly that what they kick away is a pair of sunglasses.


And they didn't just target her and shoot her, yes they did, she was on her way to college, she was a post graduate student studying genetics and an Israeli Palestinian cititizen, they are shooting unarmed Palestinians all over.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I can't see what she's holding. I see something glinting her left hand at one point.

However, I would have thought they could overpower her without shooting her.

If people really are carrying these knives about though, clearly there's going to be some paranoia and some trigger happy people.

The second vdio link of it:  https://www.facebook.com/Kzzder/videos/817539798344744/

Start it, stop it immediately, enlarge it and you can see quite clearly that what they kick away is a pair of sunglasses.


And they didn't just target her and shoot her, yes they did, she was on her way to college and an Israeli Palestinian cititizen, they are shooting unarmed Palestinians all over.

Yes, I've already said that it looks like a pair of sunglasses which were kicked away. Whether that's what she was holding or not is a different matter. In the other video which I posted I can't see anything glinting in her other hand, so no, I can't see a knife of any kind. The object in her right hand is not clear enough to see.

I have no reason to suppose that they just randomly targeted her though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Well I am trying to ask you to imagine for one moment what it could be like to be in this situation when there is daily attacks if you were one of the Israeli Police.


Again the OP is nothing more than terroist apologist bull.

I would need to know what the situation was before I could comment on that. That's why I was looking for further info about what led up to what we can see on the video.

Well its obvious to me, she attempted to stab one of the officers as we see them offer warnings of which she did not heed. Its clear she had a knife and the picture proves it also.

Such big brave soldiers, probably wearing armoured vests, can't take down a girl armed with sunglasses.  No wonder they are issued with nappies (and that's fact)

Sassy the apologists of terrorists.

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- An Israeli suspect stabbed and injured four Palestinians in the city of Dimona in southern Israel on Friday, Israeli media reported.
The unidentified Israeli reportedly first attacked a 35-year-old Bedouin laborer before fleeing the scene and stabbing another three Palestinian Bedouin workers, all reported to be in their 50s, Israeli news site Ynet said.

Three of the victims are employees of the Israeli state's Dimona municipality.

Two of the men received moderate to serious injuries and were taken to Soroka hospital for treatment, while the two others were lightly injured.
The Israeli suspect, said to be 17, was detained.
The stabbing attack comes after reports that a mob of Israelis attacked Palestinians in the central plaza of the city of Netanya late Thursday, with crowds of Israelis throwing chairs at Palestinians and chanting "Death to Arabs" and "Netanya residents are taking care of Arabs."

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=768096

Amazing how the Israeli's who terrorise Palestinians NEVER GET SHOT

Dodge the Hasbara troll, an apologist for Israeli murder.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I would need to know what the situation was before I could comment on that. That's why I was looking for further info about what led up to what we can see on the video.

Well its obvious to me, she attempted to stab one of the officers as we see them offer warnings of which she did not heed. Its clear she had a knife and the picture proves it also.

I cannot say that's a knife in her right hand, and she's not attempting to stab anyone in that video. I don't know what they're saying to her either as I don't speak the same language.

I see that you and Sassy are on opposite sides in this, but I'm going on what I've seen for myself, and I'm keeping an open mind. I'm not going to claim that they just targeted her for no reason, but I'm also not going to say that she clearly attempted to stab one of the officers.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Well its obvious to me, she attempted to stab one of the officers as we see them offer warnings of which she did not heed. Its clear she had a knife and the picture proves it also.

I cannot say that's a knife in her right hand, and she's not attempting to stab anyone in that video. I don't know what they're saying to her either as I don't speak the same language.

I see that you and Sassy are on opposite sides in this, but I'm going on what I've seen for myself, and I'm keeping an open mind. I'm not going to claim that they just targeted her for no reason, but I'm also not going to say that she clearly attempted to stab one of the officers.

Good for you.

The woman was wounded, and thus not dead.
See how the extremist left use any feeble excuse to defend terrorists

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Well its obvious to me, she attempted to stab one of the officers as we see them offer warnings of which she did not heed. Its clear she had a knife and the picture proves it also.

I cannot say that's a knife in her right hand, and she's not attempting to stab anyone in that video. I don't know what they're saying to her either as I don't speak the same language.

I see that you and Sassy are on opposite sides in this, but I'm going on what I've seen for myself, and I'm keeping an open mind. I'm not going to claim that they just targeted her for no reason, but I'm also not going to say that she clearly attempted to stab one of the officers.

Well is called deduction Rags

For one why  is her hand up holding something that clearly resembles a knife or scissors?

They are pointing their guns at her giving warnings to clearly drop what is in her hands, which is clearly not sunglasses of which the video certainly shows.

They gave many and she did nothing to drop the weapon and was shot by the Police.

She had just tried to stab stab a bus station guard.

So if you cannot rule out it was not a weapon, then of which the evidence certainly points to, then you have the problem here to prove otherwise.

VOA: Palestinian Wounded by Gas Cylinder (That She Exploded)

A Voice of America article Sunday casts the Palestinian woman who blew up a gas canister in her car that day, injuring a police officer, as a blameless victim as opposed to the perpetrator responsible for the explosion ("Israeli Airstrike Kills Pregnant Woman and Toddler in Gaza"). The Oct. 11 article distorts:

And a Palestinian woman was seriously wounded when a gas cylinder blew up in her car at a checkpoint outside a West Bank Jewish settlement.

Here's what actually happened, via Haaretz:

In the Sunday morning attack, a Palestinian drove up to the Al-Zayim checkpoint near the West Bank settlement of Ma’aleh Adumim and blew up a gas canister in her car after a policeman ordered her to pull over. The policeman, 45, was lightly wounded, while the terrorist was hospitalized in very serious condition.

In a separate journalistic failure, the article states:

An Israeli airstrike on Gaza in response to Palestinian rocket fire killed a pregnant Palestinian woman and her toddler daughter. Medics say they died when the building in which they were taking cover collapsed. Several others were hurt.

Nowhere does the article note that the army said it targeted Hamas weapons manufacturing facilities.

Cuchulain wrote:lol that is not sunglasses in her hand

If they're sunglasses then they must be huge

looks like sunglasses being kicked away in the facebook video , but is that all she was holding because in the other video as she's walking that is not the same object in her hand (not sunglasses) .

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I cannot say that's a knife in her right hand, and she's not attempting to stab anyone in that video. I don't know what they're saying to her either as I don't speak the same language.

I see that you and Sassy are on opposite sides in this, but I'm going on what I've seen for myself, and I'm keeping an open mind. I'm not going to claim that they just targeted her for no reason, but I'm also not going to say that she clearly attempted to stab one of the officers.

Well is called deduction Rags

For one why  is her hand up holding something that clearly resembles a knife or scissors?

They are pointing their guns at her giving warnings to clearly drop what is in her hands, which is clearly not sunglasses of which the video certainly shows.

They gave many and she did nothing to drop the weapon and was shot by the Police.

She had just tried to stab stab a bus station guard.

So if you cannot rule out it was not a weapon, then of which the evidence certainly points to, then you have the problem here to prove otherwise.

I can't see that it resembles a knife or scissors though. It could just as easily be a pair of sunglasses, although that's not certain either, so no, I can't rule out that she had a weapon, but I can't confirm that she did either.

How do you know she tried to stab a bus station guard?

I don't need to prove anything, I'm saying what I see, and what I can reasonable deduce from that.

Does anyone think it looks like she was talking on a phone at one point?

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:lol that is not sunglasses in her hand

If they're sunglasses then they must be huge

Some of that image is her hand as well though. It's not clear enough to see what she's holding.

One of the soldiers kicked something towards the woman when she was lying on the floor. Any ideas what it was?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Well is called deduction Rags

For one why  is her hand up holding something that clearly resembles a knife or scissors?

They are pointing their guns at her giving warnings to clearly drop what is in her hands, which is clearly not sunglasses of which the video certainly shows.

They gave many and she did nothing to drop the weapon and was shot by the Police.

She had just tried to stab stab a bus station guard.

So if you cannot rule out it was not a weapon, then of which the evidence certainly points to, then you have the problem here to prove otherwise.

I can't see that it resembles a knife or scissors though. It could just as easily be a pair of sunglasses, although that's not certain either, so no, I can't rule out that she had a weapon, but I can't confirm that she did either.

How do you know she tried to stab a bus station guard?

I don't need to prove anything, I'm saying what I see, and what I can reasonable deduce from that.

But that is where you have the problem proving it is not a weapon
We know of for a fact she is holding out towards the Police an item whether you do not think its a weapon and they are clearly ordering her to do something and with their gund pointing which adds to the view it is a weapon. Not just one officer. Not only this you have the Bus guard that has been attacked, of which this was in many of the reports.
You do have to prove because opinions count for very little without evidence.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I can't see that it resembles a knife or scissors though. It could just as easily be a pair of sunglasses, although that's not certain either, so no, I can't rule out that she had a weapon, but I can't confirm that she did either.

How do you know she tried to stab a bus station guard?

I don't need to prove anything, I'm saying what I see, and what I can reasonable deduce from that.

But that is where you have the problem proving it is not a weapon
We know of for a fact she is holding out towards the Police an item whether you do not think its a weapon and they are clearly ordering her to do something and with their gund pointing which adds to the view it is a weapon. Not just one officer. Not only this you have the Bus guard that has been attacked, of which this was in many of the reports.
You do have to prove because opinions count for very little without evidence.

Well no, because this forum isn't a court of law, so I don't have to prove anything. I haven't seen any report of her attacking a bus guard, and I can't see what is in her hand. You'll just have to make do with that I'm afraid.

If it's a knife, she's not trying to stab anyone with it. She holding the object up as if she's trying to show what it is.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


But that is where you have the problem proving it is not a weapon
We know of for a fact she is holding out towards the Police an item whether you do not think its a weapon and they are clearly ordering her to do something and with their gund pointing which adds to the view it is a weapon. Not just one officer. Not only this you have the Bus guard that has been attacked, of which this was in many of the reports.
You do have to prove because opinions count for very little without evidence.

Well no, because this forum isn't a court of law, so I don't have to prove anything. I haven't seen any report of her attacking a bus guard, and I can't see what is in her hand. You'll just have to make do with that I'm afraid.

If it's a knife, she's not trying to stab anyone with it. She holding the object up as if she's trying to show what it is.

Yes you do when you are making the claims here.
So if you cannot make out, then youhave no case to claim it is not a weapon.
You cannot refute that clearlly the Police were issuing a warning. This lends further wait to the fact she was holding a weapon.
Your last point is even more opinion.
We only see part of the incident, so you need to prove she did not attack the Bus Guard.
Like I say all you offer is poor opinion which lacks any reality to the situation going on the video. So again like I say your opinion counts for little if not backed by evidence