Jeremy Corbyn attacked over women-only train 'segregation'

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Rival candidate Yvette Cooper savages plan to consider introducing women-only railway carriages in bid to reduce sexual assault.

• Jeremy Corbyn proposes women-only train carriages
• Yvette Cooper says plan amounts to 'segregation'
• Public divided over plan to cut sexual assault numbers
• Equality groups criticise the plan


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11824560/Jeremy-Corbyn-attacked-over-women-only-train-segregation-live.html

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Agree with you both, it should be safety for all and that extra measures are put in place that help provide safety for all.

Yep and once you segregate one group of people it'll be done for others and before you know it, we will all be in our own little compartments!!

Plus, women have to walk alone at night....shall we say men can't go out after dark??
Ridiculous.

Seen that CCTV of that man carrying that woman away to rape her?
Until we get a culture change regarding women then women only taxis, train carriages, plumbers etc are a very viable proposition

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is a very sexiest view, as what about men that do not feel safe, are they just left to defend for themselves?
Again I am all for protecting women, but also men, Transgenders etc. Not everyone feeels safe on the trains and tubes at night do they.
So would not placing guards on trains be best to make all groups feel comfortable?
All should feel comfortable/safe and all this does is bring about inequality.

I absolutely agree. This is about making ALL modes of transport, for ALL people, safer.
They should never have gotten rid of tube and train workers that sit at stations. Some of the stations I get off there is no one there at all!

Again agreed, I certainly wouldn't feel safe using public transport at night and yet we are encouraged to do so

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Agree with you both, it should be safety for all and that extra measures are put in place that help provide safety for all.

Yep and once you segregate one group of people it'll be done for others and before you know it, we will all be in our own little compartments!!

Plus, women have to walk alone at night....shall we say men can't go out after dark??
Ridiculous.

That is the best point Eddie, as where do you draw the line on this?
You know that when something like this starts then countless other groups will shout from the roof tops to have their own carriage.
The main point is missed again and that is for the train and tibe companies to stop being tight wads, when they charge a fortune for travelling, to spend money on placing extra security personel on their trains and tubes. That is what is really disapointing here is that the rail and tube companies are getting let off their responsibility to provide better safety.

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:

Yep and once you segregate one group of people it'll be done for others and before you know it, we will all be in our own little compartments!!

Plus, women have to walk alone at night....shall we say men can't go out after dark??
Ridiculous.

Seen that CCTV of that man carrying that woman away to rape her?
Until we get a culture change regarding women then women only taxis, train carriages, plumbers etc are a very viable proposition

That lady never left alone though Nems.
Where are you going to draw the line though and what would have prevented that appalling crime here when she was on the street when this happened?
I thought there already was lady taxi servicies?
To me its poor to allow train and tube companies to get away with not spending more money on security.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Agree with you both, it should be safety for all and that extra measures are put in place that help provide safety for all.

Yep and once you segregate one group of people it'll be done for others and before you know it, we will all be in our own little compartments!!

Plus, women have to walk alone at night....shall we say men can't go out after dark??
Ridiculous.

That is the best point Eddie, as where do you draw the line on this?
You know that when something like this starts then countless other groups will shout from the roof tops to have their own carriage.
The main point is missed again and that is for the train and tibe companies to stop being tight wads, when they charge a fortune to place extra sexurity personel on their trains and tubes. That is what is really disapointing here is that the rail and tube companies are getting let off their responsibility to provide better safety.

Absolutely! TFL have done that in London and you can literally get off a train at night and see no worker there!


It's a very harsh thing to say, as I am a woman, but this is a bad idea and opens a can of worms for complete segregation.


Also, no one has answered my point on gay-only compartments? Don't some men feel threatened by other men?

Can of worms and a lazy solution to something rail and tube compNies should be dealing with - they are shirking their responsibilities big time.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is the best point Eddie, as where do you draw the line on this?
You know that when something like this starts then countless other groups will shout from the roof tops to have their own carriage.
The main point is missed again and that is for the train and tibe companies to stop being tight wads, when they charge a fortune to place extra sexurity personel on their trains and tubes. That is what is really disapointing here is that the rail and tube companies are getting let off their responsibility to provide better safety.

Absolutely! TFL have done that in London and you can literally get off a train at night and see no worker there!


It's a very harsh thing to say, as I am a woman, but this is a bad idea and opens a can of worms for complete segregation.


Also, no one has answered my point on gay-only compartments? Don't some men feel threatened by other men?

Can of worms and a lazy solution to something rail and tube compNies should be dealing with - they are shirking their responsibilities big time.

That is so wrong, that there is no staff to be seen, what if there is an accident on the station itself?
Beggars belief.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-raped-in-edinburgh-city-centre-10472695.html

The question now stands is how is this poor man going to feel safe now going out again? So you are right Eddie.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is the best point Eddie, as where do you draw the line on this?
You know that when something like this starts then countless other groups will shout from the roof tops to have their own carriage.
The main point is missed again and that is for the train and tibe companies to stop being tight wads, when they charge a fortune to place extra sexurity personel on their trains and tubes. That is what is really disapointing here is that the rail and tube companies are getting let off their responsibility to provide better safety.

Absolutely! TFL have done that in London and you can literally get off a train at night and see no worker there!


It's a very harsh thing to say, as I am a woman, but this is a bad idea and opens a can of worms for complete segregation.


Also, no one has answered my point on gay-only compartments? Don't some men feel threatened by other men?

Can of worms and a lazy solution to something rail and tube compNies should be dealing with - they are shirking their responsibilities big time.

That is so wrong, that there is no staff to be seen, what if there is an accident on the station itself?
Beggars belief.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-raped-in-edinburgh-city-centre-10472695.html

The question now stands is how is this poor man going to feel safe now going out again? So you are right Eddie.

Well there you go; it proves there is a need for tighter security everywhere - at least knowing you're going to see a face when you get off the train!
Like I said didge, this appears to be a very lazy solution to a problem; almost like passing the buck.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is so wrong, that there is no staff to be seen, what if there is an accident on the station itself?
Beggars belief.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-raped-in-edinburgh-city-centre-10472695.html

The question now stands is how is this poor man going to feel safe now going out again? So you are right Eddie.

Well there you go; it proves there is a need for tighter security everywhere - at least knowing you're going to see a face when you get off the train!
Like I said didge, this appears to be a very lazy solution to a problem; almost like passing the buck.

100% agree Eddie.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is so wrong, that there is no staff to be seen, what if there is an accident on the station itself?
Beggars belief.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-raped-in-edinburgh-city-centre-10472695.html

The question now stands is how is this poor man going to feel safe now going out again? So you are right Eddie.

Well there you go; it proves there is a need for tighter security everywhere - at least knowing you're going to see a face when you get off the train!
Like I said didge, this appears to be a very lazy solution to a problem; almost like passing the buck.

Corbyn himself says he wouldn't favour separate carriagesat. I think him raising the possibility is a positive thing least he is encouraging people to get involved. He has also said he wants to renationalise things. Perhaps we could yet see a return to guards on trains and manned stations.

That would be a very sensible and positive step forward nems.
It was a rubbish idea to get rid of guards on trains anyway.

Tough on crime... tough on the causes of crime...

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is so wrong, that there is no staff to be seen, what if there is an accident on the station itself?
Beggars belief.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-raped-in-edinburgh-city-centre-10472695.html

The question now stands is how is this poor man going to feel safe now going out again? So you are right Eddie.

Well there you go; it proves there is a need for tighter security everywhere - at least knowing you're going to see a face when you get off the train!
Like I said didge, this appears to be a very lazy solution to a problem; almost like passing the buck.

Corbyn himself says he wouldn't favour separate carriagesat. I think him raising the possibility is a positive thing least he is encouraging people to get involved. He has also said he wants to renationalise things. Perhaps we could yet see a return to guards on trains and manned stations.

Quite right Nems. Corbyn has fired up the debate but it may be too late if Tory Minister Claire Perry still has this on her desk with a view to putting it into pratice.

Women-only train carriages could be introduced in the UK

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/women-only-train-carriages-could-introduced-4349573

Strange that that never caused a storm of protest at the time when she said it at the Tory Party conference.

Never mind though, all those calling for greater security will no doubt be supporting the trade unions in the call more staff and less cuts to public services on the Tube.

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/more-cuts-risk-leaving-tube-staff-dangerously-isolated-after-jump-in-assaults/

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:

Corbyn himself says he wouldn't favour separate carriagesat. I think him raising the possibility is a positive thing least he is encouraging people to get involved. He has also said he wants to renationalise things. Perhaps we could yet see a return to guards on trains and manned stations.

Quite right Nems. Corbyn has fired up the debate but it may be too late if Tory Minister Claire Perry still has this on her desk with a view to putting it into pratice.

Women-only train carriages could be introduced in the UK

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/women-only-train-carriages-could-introduced-4349573

Strange that that never caused a storm of protest at the time when she said it at the Tory Party conference.


Odd isn't it?!

Never mind though, all those calling for greater security will no doubt be supporting the trade unions in the call more staff and less cuts to public services on the Tube.

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/more-cuts-risk-leaving-tube-staff-dangerously-isolated-after-jump-in-assaults/

I can't believe the way he is being demonised over every utterance

Do away with the trade Unions and you will have a better run service for a start and not have tube drivers who are over paid go out on stike.
This is not just about the tubes either, where again I think unions are nothing more than militant socielists who have little interest in the people within a company but their own egos and the money they can make.
It is because of the ridiculous Unions that create the most absurd rules which hinder progress. So do I back more staff I certainly do where money is being pumped into the London Underground with copuntless new extensions and stations being built. A balance is needed but anyone would have to be barmy to follow any policy making from any London Underground Unions.

Cuchulain wrote:Do away with the trade Unions and you will have a better run service for a start and not have tube drivers who are over paid go out on stike.
This is not just about the tubes either, where again I think unions are nothing more than militant socielists who have little interest in the people within a company but their own egos and the money they can make.
It is because of the ridiculous Unions that create the most absurd rules which hinder progress. So do I back more staff I certainly do where money is being pumped into the London Underground with copuntless new extensions and stations being built. A balance is needed but anyone would have to be barmy to follow any policy making from any London Underground Unions.

Does all that mean you won't back their calls for more staff and less cuts?

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Do away with the trade Unions and you will have a better run service for a start and not have tube drivers who are over paid go out on stike.
This is not just about the tubes either, where again I think unions are nothing more than militant socielists who have little interest in the people within a company but their own egos and the money they can make.
It is because of the ridiculous Unions that create the most absurd rules which hinder progress. So do I back more staff I certainly do where money is being pumped into the London Underground with copuntless new extensions and stations being built. A balance is needed but anyone would have to be barmy to follow any policy making from any London Underground Unions.

Does all that mean you won't back their calls for more staff and less cuts?

I want more staff on both trains and tubes and no i would never support the unions.
I would rather get the public behind such an idea, as the unions will only make matters worse

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Do away with the trade Unions and you will have a better run service for a start and not have tube drivers who are over paid go out on stike.
This is not just about the tubes either, where again I think unions are nothing more than militant socielists who have little interest in the people within a company but their own egos and the money they can make.
It is because of the ridiculous Unions that create the most absurd rules which hinder progress. So do I back more staff I certainly do where money is being pumped into the London Underground with copuntless new extensions and stations being built. A balance is needed but anyone would have to be barmy to follow any policy making from any London Underground Unions.

Does all that mean you won't back their calls for more staff and less cuts?

I want more staff on both trains and tubes and no i would never support the unions.
I would rather get the public behind such an idea, as the unions will only make matters worse

I'm afraid you will need more leverage than just appealing to the public and anyway how would you intend to do that?
The Unions have the means to get it accepted and you should support their calls to get it done.
Working rights and public services that we have today didn't just happen because of the employers were generous you know.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

I want more staff on both trains and tubes and no i would never support the unions.
I would rather get the public behind such an idea, as the unions will only make matters worse

I'm afraid you will need more leverage than just appealing to the public and anyway how would you intend to do that?
The Unions have the means to get it accepted and you should support their calls to get it done.
Working rights and public services that we have today didn't just happen because of the employers were generous you know.

The unions are a nightmare and have first hand experince of the them many years ago.
Most rational people would never support such people who only care for themselves. Like I say I have met such people and they care little but to create disruption and they thrive on this. Like I said, they have created so much daftness within the Underground and on the railways, the only reason people have kept with them is on nothing more than wages. Its all about money at the end of the day.
So no I will not support them, I would rather campaigh with the public as the unions are not to be trusted.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

I want more staff on both trains and tubes and no i would never support the unions.
I would rather get the public behind such an idea, as the unions will only make matters worse

I'm afraid you will need more leverage than just appealing to the public and anyway how would you intend to do that?
The Unions have the means to get it accepted and you should support their calls to get it done.
Working rights and public services that we have today didn't just happen because of the employers were generous you know.

The unions are a nightmare and have first hand experince of the them many years ago.
Most rational people would never support such people who only care for themselves. Like I say I have met such people and they care little but to create disruption and they thrive on this. Like I said, they have created so much daftness within the Underground and on the railways, the only reason people have kept with them is on nothing more than wages. Its all about money at the end of the day.
So no I will not support them, I would rather campaigh with the public as the unions are not to be trusted.

Ok Didge. I'll watch for you on the national news with your megaphone on speakers corner

Why would I need to go on TV or use a megaphone?

How out of touch with reality are you.

And what about when women get off of these 'safe' trains...!?



Isn't this just a big bag of bullshit...!?


Red herring...!?


The reality of it all is that attacks on women have increased massively throughout!!!


Not just on trains!!!


In fact... trains are already more likely to be safer because of already existing CCTV throughout network and on trains, staff, other passengers, being busy and brightly lit etc...


This is the reality of what is happening...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11362013/Violent-crime-surges-16-in-new-figures.html



Truth is that women are increasingly unsafe everywhere... where there are increasing numbers of foreigners!!!



But you lefties will rather call me racist and continue to allow women to be attacked and raped than admit the truth...!!!


That is how sick and twisted you lot really are!!!


Total scum!!!

Cuchulain wrote:Why would I need to go on TV or use a megaphone?

How out of touch with reality are you.

Well how exactly are you going to garner public support for more staff and less cuts?

The Unions have a far bigger public profile than you have so it's sensible to put aside your right wing predudice and in this case support the cause. It is in the interests of public safety after all....isn't it?

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Why would I need to go on TV or use a megaphone?

How out of touch with reality are you.

Well how exactly are you going to garner public support for more staff and less cuts?

The Unions have a far bigger public profile than you have so it's sensible to put aside your right wing predudice and in this case support the cause. It is in the interests of public safety after all....isn't it?

You clearly most be still living in the 1970's Irn
I guess you have not heard of todays technology.
Again I do not trust the unions to get this done, they have self interestes at heart, which you cannot seem to understand.

I will add one last point, we have not had guards on trains and tubes for years, under different Labour and Tory Goverments and in that time has the Unions brought about placing them back on both?
In over a few decades?
No
Hence you will understand why I have no trust in Unions Irn

Tommy Monk wrote:And what about when women get off of these 'safe' trains...!?



Isn't this just a big bag of bullshit...!?


Red herring...!?


The reality of it all is that attacks on women have increased massively throughout!!!


Not just on trains!!!


In fact... trains are already more likely to be safer because of already existing CCTV throughout network and on trains, staff, other passengers, being busy and brightly lit etc...


This is the reality of what is happening...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11362013/Violent-crime-surges-16-in-new-figures.html



Truth is that women are increasingly unsafe everywhere... where there are increasing numbers of foreigners!!!



But you lefties will rather call me racist and continue to allow women to be attacked and raped than admit the truth...!!!


That is how sick and twisted you lot really are!!!


Total scum!!!

It is the foreigners what are doing it!!!



Labour allowed the mass immigration that has created this problem!!!

Nobody is interested in your nonsense Tommy. You use this as a platform to spew racial discord and not see the problem stems from an early age.
Your view would have women believe it is safe to be with only British people and that thwy would never be sexually assualted. You use this as a means to make a raical view point failing to understand within countless coutures there is a huge problem with sexual harrassment, abuse and rape.

Cuchulain wrote:I will add one last point, we have not had guards on trains and tubes for years, under different Labour and Tory Goverments and in that time has the Unions brought about placing them back on both?
In over a few decades?
No
Hence you will understand why I have no trust in Unions Irn

It's a tough fight against the employers especially when all the cards were stacked back in their favour.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:I will add one last point, we have not had guards on trains and tubes for years, under different Labour and Tory Goverments and in that time has the Unions brought about placing them back on both?
In over a few decades?
No
Hence you will understand why I have no trust in Unions Irn

It's a tough fight against the employers especially when all the cards were stacked back in their favour.

lol how little you know on the matter.
Do not give me copouts, even under Labour they did nothing to reverse this.

Sexual assaults are up 80% from a decade ago...



Direct correlation with immigration...



Look at the figures on race/ethnicity of attackers!!!






But, as I said... you lefties will rather call me racist and continue to allow women to be attacked and raped than admit the truth...!!!


That is how sick and twisted you lot really are!!!


Total scum!!!

Evidence Tommy, not speculation.
many sex crimes were never reported in the past which you do not even count for so claiming stats is always going to be poor when such crimes are under reported for years.
As I said you wish to make a racial argument as per usual which seems to think British people do not commit such crimes.

Facts dodge... reported crime... and descriptions of attackers...




Look at link I provided for a start...

You gave hearsay Tommy

Like I said more crimes are properly being reported and more people are coming forward to report them.
You do not factor this why your views are flawed.

Why has this become about race?

Because it is immigrants who are overwhelmingly responsible for the increasing attacks on women... plus other crime rate rises...


https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-living-hell-for-swedish-women-5-Muslims-commit-nearly-77-6-of-all-rape-crimes/

eddie wrote:Why has this become about race?

Are you surpised

And now its turned to the Swedish
So can Matti post the actual crimes stats from Sweden I wonder?

Lets give him some time