Palestinian hunger striker vows to continue fast

These are not the best of times for Palestinians.

They have persistently tried to avoid talks about a future Palestinian state because they prefer to destroy Israel and supplant it with "Palestine." They have also ducked the question of who will succeed Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Will the next "rais" (Arabic for leader) be senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, Fatah politician Muhammad Dahlan, or imprisoned terrorist Marwan Barghouti? There are also rumors of a Turkish-led effort to mediate an Israel-Hamas "hudna" (a temporary truce).

But the world has by and large ignored those issues and as a result the Palestinians have resorted to highlighting the plight of hunger-striking detainee Mohammad Allan.

A famous Arabic proverb says that you should not make a fuss out of a small matter. But they have tried to do just that.

The international community is preoccupied with the hundreds of thousands of dead in the Middle East. It has focused on the real refugees that have made their way from Syria and Iraq to other nations, which have all but unraveled in light of this mass influx. The Arabic expression for "Tom, Dick or Harry" is "fallan." Mohammad Allan, the hunger-striking Palestinian detainee, is one of those "fallan," yet he has dominated Israeli news outlets. The coverage has turned him into a role model for every aspiring Islamist.

Why would anyone, anywhere, care about the wellbeing of some Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist who recruited suicide bombers that were to detonate themselves in Israel? Why should his fate be the world's concern when there are Islamic terrorists all over, while Bangkok is rocked by explosions, while Iran is acquiring nuclear weapons, and while thousands of African migrants are flooding into a bankrupt Europe overrun by Islam?

It seems that Allan's cause is championed primarily by Israeli Arab MKs and the Islamic Movement (which has been outlawed virtually everywhere but Israel). They want to breathe new life into the unappealing plight of the Palestinians, and by doing so, they would like to deny Israel the means to defend itself (with measures such as the blockade on the Gaza Strip).

They could not care less if Allan starves to death or is simply released; their cause will have been served just as well in both cases. Both outcomes would establish a precedent that would deter Israel from pursuing its policy of administrative detentions (even though they are legal under international law).

Allan is not just some random detainee. The Shin Bet security agency had every right to seek his incarceration. His rap sheet at the agency was long and his desire to die, it seems, has been just part and parcel of his terrorist life. The decision to place him and others under administrative detention was made to protect intelligence assets. If they had been arrested in a regular court system, their lawyers would have access to this data as part of discovery and Shin Bet's counterterrorism efforts would have been compromised.

Administrative detentions are not a form of punishment; they are a means of preventing terrorist attacks. If Allan is released into his home turf, he will continue masterminding terrorism on behalf of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; Israelis will be killed and he will have turned himself into a target for Israeli forces. If he is expelled to the Gaza Strip, as part of a deal to return the remains of Israeli soldiers and captive Israeli civilians, that would be somewhat tolerable.

For those who believe in an approaching end of days, absurdity is just a harbinger of a messianic redemption. We have recently seen various smart-alecks and theoreticians anoint themselves as generals or experts on peace and security. There are also those who live in their own fantasy worlds but call themselves experts on law and government. Members of lunatic fringe parties have formed their own tribunal, claiming the right to decide who will be part of the intellectual aristocracy and who will be part of the proletariat.

Those self-declared intellectuals have become the "commissioners of free speech." The pulpit, the microphone and the pen are reserved only for their cronies and denied to the average shopkeeper. Without the backing of the electorate, they have appointed themselves as the directors in a surreal reality show that promotes a deceptive peace. They believe they can define Israel's moral compass when it comes to our justice system.

This atmosphere has had some of our medical professionals change their job description. They feel they are no longer duty-bound to provide life-saving treatment. They believe they have changed their profession and are now therapists who specialize in analyzing terrorists' motives.

They believe that if "Allan has decided to starve himself as a form of political protest, he has every right to do so, and he must not be subjected to force-feeding." Thus, if Allan wants to die, he must not be stopped. Their goes their Hippocratic oath and its imperative to save every human life unconditionally.

If you accept their analysis, a critically injured terrorist should be left to die because his goal is to become a martyr. Similarly, anyone who tries to commit suicide should be denied medical treatment. This absurdity has had senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh all but laugh his head off when he delivered a speech this week, when he threatened: "If we feed Allan forcefully [thereby saving him] we will have been complicit in his death." Luckily, Mahmoud al-Zahar, a Palestinian doctor turned murderer (like the assassinated Hamas leader Dr. Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi) was close by, in case Haniyeh needed life-saving treatment.

Israel has asked doctors to prolong the life of a terrorist, citing the law and the oath they have taken. Meanwhile, Zahar and his medical colleagues in Gaza continue perpetrating attacks against Jews and negotiating the return of their body parts.

Allan is a die-hard terrorist (pun intended). If we do not feed him, his health will be compromised. This would play to the hands of Israel's enemies, who have tried to effect such an outcome in the past. Woe to us if we now let our fate, and the world's, rest on Allan's daily intake. We have been there before, in the case of Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Israel feared a scenario in which he would die in prison and chaos would ensue. What if Allan dies while in custody and becomes a shahid (martyr)? How will Israel cope with the dire consequences?

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=13523

What a load of bullshit.  And they have not produced one bit of evidence against him and he has never had a trial.  So you agree with detention without trial and not fighting in any way you can for your freedom.  And to post that utter repellent article by Dr. Reuven Berko a reknowned islamaphobic, often reported on in Loonwatch is low even for you.  Israel tried to force feed this man, which is recognised as torture by the UN, and their own doctors refused to do it, good for them.

I though you had gone as low as possible, obviously not.

Which shows you did not read the article did you.
One its legal and the reason to do so is because:

Administrative detentions are not a form of punishment; they are a means of preventing terrorist attacks. If Allan is released into his home turf, he will continue masterminding terrorism on behalf of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; Israelis will be killed and he will have turned himself into a target for Israeli forces. If he is expelled to the Gaza Strip, as part of a deal to return the remains of Israeli soldiers and captive Israeli civilians, that would be somewhat tolerable.

Bollocks, they are detain without trial, without a shred of evidence and used for control.

You are a nasty little zionist, go and join the settlements, you'd be right at home.

Anyway he is terrorist scum, my view one less dead terrorist is a good thing. This man recruited people to murder others, what is the point of allowing a person that glorifies in his own martydom live, but it shows that the Israelis are humanitarians after all, which you sassy clearly miss at every turn

Allan is not just some random detainee. The Shin Bet security agency had every right to seek his incarceration. His rap sheet at the agency was long and his desire to die, it seems, has been just part and parcel of his terrorist life. The decision to place him and others under administrative detention was made to protect intelligence assets. If they had been arrested in a regular court system, their lawyers would have access to this data as part of discovery and Shin Bet's counterterrorism efforts would have been compromised.

You'd be right at home winding yourself up and screaming death to Arabs.

No I am like many rational people who think the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Cuchulain wrote:Allan is not just some random detainee. The Shin Bet security agency had every right to seek his incarceration. His rap sheet at the agency was long and his desire to die, it seems, has been just part and parcel of his terrorist life. The decision to place him and others under administrative detention was made to protect intelligence assets. If they had been arrested in a regular court system, their lawyers would have access to this data as part of discovery and Shin Bet's counterterrorism efforts would have been compromised.

He doesn't desire to die, but he won't give up his freedom to live, which means he had more courage than you will ever know about.  They do not have one bit of evidence against him and have said so.  You are zionist to your core, why you live here I have no idea.

Cuchulain wrote:No I am like many rational people who think the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Now you have just shown exactly what you are, and don't you dare come the 'peace' thing ever again.  You are not better than the RW fanatics, no wonder you support them.

Of course he desires to die, he wants martydom, you fail to understand the resolve of islamic extremism and never have. It just further proves how you constantly defend terrorists.

You're and RW extremist and a fanatic and have proved it beyond doubt on this thread.

sassy wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:No I am like many rational people who think the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Now you have just shown exactly what you are, and don't you dare come the 'peace' thing ever again.  You are not better than the RW fanatics, no wonder you support them.

Oh do pipe down, why not hold a ballot on my very point that the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. You were the one screaming like a harpy when Israel was taking in injured fighters from Syria where you were quite estactic to let them die and now you quibble over a recruiter of murderers?
You seriously have some warped ethical views

sassy wrote:You're and RW extremist and a fanatic and have proved it beyond doubt on this thread.

Again do a poll and see how many people agree with me whether a good terrorist is a dead terrorist

How does not caring about whether a terrorist lives or dies makes anyone an extremist?

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-offers-to-release-Palestinian-prisoner-Allan-if-he-ends-hunger-strike-412557


Hee hee of course I already knew this but is always fun to play with the terrorist sympathizer

Cuchulain wrote:Anyway he is terrorist scum, my view one less dead terrorist is a good thing. This man recruited people to murder others, what is the point of allowing a person that glorifies in his own martydom live, but it shows that the Israelis are humanitarians after all, which you sassy clearly miss at every turn

When did the trial take place and what was the verdict of the court?

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Anyway he is terrorist scum, my view one less dead terrorist is a good thing. This man recruited people to murder others, what is the point of allowing a person that glorifies in his own martydom live, but it shows that the Israelis are humanitarians after all, which you sassy clearly miss at every turn

When did the trial take place and what was the verdict of the court?

Does not need to try reading

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Anyway he is terrorist scum, my view one less dead terrorist is a good thing. This man recruited people to murder others, what is the point of allowing a person that glorifies in his own martydom live, but it shows that the Israelis are humanitarians after all, which you sassy clearly miss at every turn

When did the trial take place and what was the verdict of the court?

Does not need to try reading

I just did and I can't see anything about a trial or a verdict. Is it in another post?

Cuchulain wrote:http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-offers-to-release-Palestinian-prisoner-Allan-if-he-ends-hunger-strike-412557


Hee hee of course I already knew this but is always fun to play with the terrorist sympathizer

Yep, I knew it to, but their conditions were not freedom, so what were the conditions?

Oh supporter of detention without trial and without evidence, so no democracy there then.

So basically you are a right wing fanatical zionist who doesn't believe in democracy.  Sounds delightful.

sassy wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-offers-to-release-Palestinian-prisoner-Allan-if-he-ends-hunger-strike-412557


Hee hee of course I already knew this but is always fun to play with the terrorist sympathizer

Yep, I knew it to, but their conditions were not freedom, so what were the conditions?

Oh supporter of detention without trial and without evidence, so no democracy there then.

So basically you are a right wing fanatical zionist who doesn't believe in democracy.  Sounds delightful.

It was on Twitter and thousands knew it

sassy wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-offers-to-release-Palestinian-prisoner-Allan-if-he-ends-hunger-strike-412557


Hee hee of course I already knew this but is always fun to play with the terrorist sympathizer

Yep, I knew it to, but their conditions were not freedom, so what were the conditions?

Oh supporter of detention without trial and without evidence, so no democracy there then.

So basically you are a right wing fanatical zionist who doesn't believe in democracy.  Sounds delightful.

I could not care about the conditions and your emotive responses Sassy, to me I have no doubt he is terrorist scum.

Yes I do back detention in a country where there is so much hate and terrorism directed against Israel when it is surrounded by so many hostile nations.

But you would not have the first clue about that

Yep, that's because you are a RW fanatical zealot and zionist who lost his marbles ages ago and has become more and more extreme.  You really would not be out of place amoung the settlers stoning children and burning babies, they believe exactly what you do.

More emotive nonsense from Sassy.
I do not back zionism.
Like I said Sassy you were going mental when Israel was giving medical treatement to fighters from Syria, your ethical views are all over the place and you work yourself up into a frenzy over some scum who recuited terrorists to murder civillians, He is part of Islamic Jihad of which there is no doubt but then you suppirt it seems many Islamic extremist groups

You back Zionism with every post you make about Israel and you are completely fanatical.  A right wing extremism who has gone so far as to back detention without trial or evidence, so no believer in democracy either.  Settlements here you come.

Hilarious, I do not care whether some terrorist scum lives or dies, so put up a poll and see how many agree or disagree and then you can call all those who agree with me the same.
Bet you do not have the guts to.
In your own time

Why would I need guts to put up a poll?  And why would I bother when most people on this board are not bothered about Israel.  They are bothered however about sexual abuse. 

You have outed yourself as a right wing extremist, don't try diverting from that fact.

Ha ha ha there you go sassy, if they are not bothered about the conflict, then it stands to reason they are not going to be bothered whether he lives or dies then.

Doh

Everytime you walk right into saying exactly what I want you to say.

Thanks

Cuchulain wrote:Hilarious, I do not care whether some terrorist scum lives or dies, so put up a poll and see how many agree or disagree and then you can call all those who agree with me the same.
Bet you do not have the guts to.
In your own time

Are you talking about 'convicted' terrorists or people who have not been convicted of terrorism and are being detained without trial?