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Palestinians attacked as they hold solidarity vigil for Muhammad Allan.

THE REAL FACE OF ISRAEL

WHY IN GAZA IS THERE NO STUDYING - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CHILDREN

AND THIS WAS TODAY, NOT LAST YEAR DURING THE WAR

FUCKING ANIMALS.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:51 am

See blaiming all Israel again. So when Palestinians celebrated 9/11 that to you then is the real face of Palestine is it Sassy?

I do not think so, and it is as bad as when the far right blame the actions of some Muslim extremists on all Muslims you use the same hateful tactic.
Anyone celebrating an innocent babies death are extremist scum and I cast them as scum and not a whole nation. Your views of hatred are no better than the far right and of nazi hatred against a people.

Like I say you are no better than the far right and this is becoming a common thene with the extreme left these days where they make others culpable for what some extremists do.

Anyway the more you spout your hate the more people will see you for what you truly are.

So are you going to blame all Palestine for this celebration last year ?


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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:00 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Lol!

Sassy never blamed all Israelis.

Stop having an emotional outburst.

Dear me, what do you think "Israel" means?

A people or not a people?


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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:17 am

Well, I guess in that case when you talk about 'Iran' you mean all Iranians.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:20 am

No I have made it clear of speak of the Iranian regeme, those in charge as I do not hold all Iranians culpable.
Do you notice the difference and it is the not the first time I have had to clarify this.
But as seen you support such nations in the Arab world that have the worst human rights going against their populations, where Muslims, Christians, women, homosexuals etc suffer. So many human rights abuses which you down grade in favour of ostracizing the only democracy in the region, where you also ignore the plight of Palestinians that suffer under Arab corrupt regemes.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:29 am

Yes didge, course you did lol

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:32 am

Usual immature reply.
As seen many see your hate views for what they are sassy and I will continue to be here to show up your utter hypocrisy and racism against Israeli's

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:34 am

You show up no-one expect yourself as a bigotted Zionist and racist.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:38 am

sassy wrote:You show up no-one expect yourself as a bigotted Zionist and racist.

Illogical babble again as I do not support Zionism as it is an absurd belief based on religion.
I support the right of the Israerli people to have a right to have their own nation and defend them from the constant hate you spew their way. As lets be honest sassy when you present maps about Palestine and israel its because you do not believe Israel has a right to exist.
Conclusion:
Racism and Hate.

I have no hate for any race because biologically races do not exist, what does exist is racist people like yourself so hateful you failed to grasp you use the same vile terminology that the Nazi's did against the Jews. That makes you no better.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:39 am

Yes didge, of course didge, do make us laugh again didge, and do keep this at the top so people can see what those Israelis were doing didge, which is not that bright of you is it didge.  LOL

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:41 am

See everytime I show up your hypocrisy and racism , you just come out with immature replies, but then you have no intellect and neither does the other extremist supporter in Zack, both clueless and supporters of hate.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:42 am

Yes didge, no didge, three bags full didge, keep it up didge.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:44 am

Yes i will keep showing up your hate and Racism and against Israeli's Stassi.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:52 am

You really want to keep it at the top to show people what Israeli's do don't you.   It's really funny didge.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:56 am

Your last sentence made absolutely no sense.
You are the one that spams up threads you posts which hardly anyone cares about Sassy.
How sad is that when your hate fails utterly.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:01 am

Kiss of death

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:05 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:No I have made it clear of speak of the Iranian regeme, those in charge as I do not hold all Iranians culpable.
Do you notice the difference and it is the not the first time I have had to clarify this.
But as seen you support such nations in the Arab world that have the worst human rights going against their populations, where Muslims, Christians, women, homosexuals etc suffer. So many human rights abuses which you down grade in favour of ostracizing the only democracy in the region, where you also ignore the plight of Palestinians that suffer under Arab corrupt regemes.

HA HA! You just got busted. ;-)

Sassy has made it clear she is against the Israeli government and whoever supports Israeli Apartheid.

Stop being a hypocrite.


Oh dear how lame again, whena  poster places up maps about the right of existance about a nation, they do not believe that nation should exist.

She is very much against Israel boy.

She has stated the right of armed ressistance under occupation even though Gaza is not occupied which means she backs terrorism against Israel.

So do pipe down before you fall down with over excitement

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:06 am

You show me where I have ever said Israel should not exist.  Put up or shut up.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:09 am

sassy wrote:You show me where I have ever said Israel should not exist.  Put up or shut up.

Easy, how many times have you presented this incorrect map?

Do you understand how and why presenting such a map is arguing against the existance of Israel?






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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:13 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Oh dear how lame again, whena  poster places up maps about the right of existance about a nation, they do not believe that nation should exist.

She is very much against Israel boy.

She has stated the right of armed ressistance under occupation even though Gaza is not occupied which means she backs terrorism against Israel.

So do pipe down before you fall down with over excitement

Gaza is occupied, you ignorance is astounding.

Israel has blocked all its borders and made it into an open air prison. Easier to kill them (Palestinians).



So blocking borders not all of them is Israel occupying?

I do not think so, that is just plain gibberish so you also this by that daft belief back terrorism it seems with the excuse of armed resistance.
Also when Israel withdrew from Gaza, was there any blockade?
No,and its also Eygpt that blackades gaza, are you claiming they also occupy gaza.
You neglect it was suicide attacks in Israel that brought about the need to protect people.
Your ignorance has no limits and you are just an extremist low life.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:24 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


So blocking borders not all of them is Israel occupying?

I do not think so, that is just plain gibberish so you also this by that daft belief back terrorism it seems with the excuse of armed resistance.
Also when Israel withdrew from Gaza, was there any blockade?
No,and its also Eygpt that blackades gaza, are you claiming they also occupy gaza.
You neglect it was suicide attacks in Israel that brought about the need to protect people.
Your ignorance has no limits and you are just an extremist low life.

Your first sentence is pure gibberish - so let's not be a hypocrite. Lol!

Why do you think the U.S. help install General sissi in Egypt. Are you that ignorant?

Ha ha Ha Ha.

Is that it?
You really are one paranoid gullible extremist.

Again what about other Arab nations that have fences and walls to protect against terrorism?

Again why was such measure put in place Zack?

Suicide terrorism.

Its because of violence that Israel needed to protect her citizens of which you continually overlook.

Lets face it you only speak out on one Muslim majority nation and I we all know why that is.

Move along your ability to understand anything is pathetic

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:30 am

'The measures' were put in place because Gazans elected a government that the Israeli's didn't like, no more, no less.

Absolutely right Zack, the reason for the US support of Sisi who is a total tyrant, turning out to be worse than Murbak, which we all kinda knew was going to happen.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:31 am

sassy wrote:'The measures' were put in place because Gazans elected a government that the Israeli's didn't like, no more, no less.

Absolutely right Zack, the reason for the US support of Sisi who is a total tyrant, turning out to be worse than Murbak, which we all kinda knew was going to happen.

Really, that is why two nations erected fences because of attacks and terrorism.
Zack is like you making excuses for a terrorist groups who soles intention is the destruction of Israel.
Its why you present that poor map sassy, as you do not back the right of an israeli nation.
Israel withdrew and yet suicide attacks continued all of which you both ignore

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:33 am

Anyway Gaza governs itself which would not be possible if occupied, hence the aburdity of the claim. Their hate and terrorism brought about measures to defend people from attacks.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:51 am

The ignorance is astounding.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:57 am

Your inability to answer questions and points is legendary.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:16 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
sassy wrote:You show me where I have ever said Israel should not exist.  Put up or shut up.

Easy, how many times have you presented this incorrect map?

Do you understand how and why presenting such a map is arguing against the existance of Israel?






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It isn't incorrect, it accurately represents the land Israel has taken, and saying they should go back to there 1967 borders is not saying they should not exist, so you are a liar and have shown yourself to be one - yet again.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:18 pm

It is incorrect.
The land was British Palestine and contoledd by the British where previously by the Ottoman Turks, hence the absurdity of the Map.
So when new nations were proposed it was the Arab nations from the start that created the problems we still see exist today.
Jordan was created and has a minority in control of Palestinians but that is fine to many, as its a Muslim majority and that is what this really is about.
Religion.


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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:19 pm

No it isn't.  Those are the borders Israel has made for itself by taking Palestinian land.  Fact.

I told you to prove that I had said Israel should not exist and you can't.  Fact.   Because I have never said it.

You are a liar.  Fact

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:21 pm

Incorrect again and as seen Israel's borders were even bigger after 1948 and have since shrunk to its present borders.
Again you go off a nonexistant nation which never existed, where most of the Palestinians formed part of the nation of Jorden, so why are you not shouting for these palestians or those who state they are Palestinians?
You see its all babble at the end of the day and it has always been about who is in control based on religion.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:48 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
sassy wrote:The ignorance is astounding.

But it's not ignorance Sassy. It's complicity.

And zack runs away from the debate as he knows he is wrong.

Oh well.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:57 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

And zack runs away from the debate as he knows he is wrong.

Oh well.

Lol! Sounds like you still have ants in your pants. Calm down.
I would not know, maybe you speak from experince of this?

It's already been demonstrated to anyone rational that Gaza can not govern itself because of blockades imposed on it by Israel and the U.S. (Via its regional puppets).
You have demonstrated nothing, gaza Governs itself and is blockaded by two nations because of terrorism, which any person can see except those who are hypocrictical it seems

You should have learned something after your 48 hour hissy fit.
And the last point is yet another poor deflection.
Which further proves how desperate you are here.

Anything else or are you going to continue giving me waffle as you do daily?

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:09 pm

Yesterday the Grand Chamber of  the European Court of Human Rights delivered judgments in two blockbuster cases regarding the aftermath of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan: Chiragov and Others v. Armenia and Sargsyan v. Azerbaijan. These are very rich judgments raising many important issues, and I will be writing up more detailed comments shortly. But I first had to share one particular little nugget: the Court has (implicitly!) decided that Israel is not the occupying power in Gaza. How so, you ask?
Both cases dealt with applications by persons displaced by the conflict who are not able to access their property in the affected areas. The Sargsyan case in particular dealt with the the denial of the applicant’s right to return to the village of Gulistan. The village is located on the territory of Azerbaijan, but very close or on the so-called line of contact between Azerbaijan and the forces of the separatist Nagorno-Karabakh republic. Thus, in the view of the Azerbaijani government, the village was not under the control of Azerbaijan, and was moreover mined and inaccessible to any civilian.
In fact, when it ratified the European Convention Azerbaijan made the following declaration (para. 93 of the judgment):
The Republic of Azerbaijan declares that it is unable to guarantee the application of the provisions of the Convention in the territories occupied by the Republic of Armenia until these territories are liberated from that occupation.
Note the reference to the concept of belligerent occupation. Immediately after this paragraph, the Court makes the following observations, under the heading ‘relevant international law’ (para. 94):
Article 42 of the Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land, The Hague, 18 October 1907 (hereafter “the 1907 Hague Regulations”) defines belligerent occupation as follows:
“Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.”
Accordingly, occupation within the meaning of the 1907 Hague Regulations exists when a state exercises actual authority over the territory, or part of the territory, of an enemy state(1) . The requirement of actual authority is widely considered to be synonymous to that of effective control.
Military occupation is considered to exist in a territory, or part of a territory, if the following elements can be demonstrated: the presence of foreign troops, which are in a position to exercise effective control without the consent of the sovereign. According to widespread expert opinion physical presence of foreign troops is a sine qua non requirement of occupation(2) , i.e. occupation is not conceivable without “boots on the ground” therefore forces exercising naval or air control through a naval or air blockade do not suffice(3) .
There are three footnotes here, all to important works on the topic, including the proceedings of an expert meeting organized by the ICRC – let me quote these in full:
[1].  See, for example, E. Benvenisti, The International Law of Occupation (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2012) at p. 43; Y. Arai-Takahashi, The law of occupation: continuity and change of international humanitarian law, and its interaction with international human rights law (Leiden: Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, 2009), at p. 5-8; Y. Dinstein, The International Law of Belligerent Occupation (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2009) at 42-45, §§ 96-102; and A. Roberts, ‘Transformative Military Occupation; Applying the Laws of War and Human Rights’, 100 American Journal of International Law 580 (2006) 585-586.
[2].  Most experts consulted by the ICRC in the context of the project on occupation and other forms of administration of foreign territory agreed that ‘boots on the ground’ are needed for the establishment of occupation – see T. Ferraro, Occupation and other Forms of Administration of Foreign Territory (Geneva, ICRC, 2012), at 10, 17 and 33; see also E. Benvenisti, cited avove, at p. 43ff; V. Koutroulis, Le debut et la fin de l’application du droit de l’occupation (Paris: Editions Pedone, 2010) at pp. 35-41.
[3].  T. Ferraro, cited above, at pp. 17 and 137; Y. Dinstein, cited above, at p. 44, § 100.
In para. 95 the Court then proceeds to cite the ICRC Customary IHL Study as well as Article 49 GC IV regarding rights of displaced persons. (The same text can be found in paras. 96-97 of the Chiragov judgment). But the really important bit happens in paras. 143-144 of Sargsyan:
143. At this point the Court considers it useful to reiterate that Azerbaijan has deposited a declaration with its instrument of ratification expressing that it was “unable to guarantee the application of the provisions of the Convention in the territories occupied by the Republic of Armenia” (see paragraph 93 above). In its decision on the admissibility of the present case, the Court has held that the declaration was not capable of restricting the territorial application of the Convention to certain parts of the internationally recognised territory of Azerbaijan (Sargsyan (dec.), cited above, §§ 63-65) nor did it fulfil the requirements of a valid reservation (ibid., §§ 66-70).
144. The Court notes that under international law (in particular Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations) a territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of a hostile army, “actual authority” being widely considered as translating to effective control and requiring such elements as presence of foreign troops, which are in a position to exercise effective control without the consent of the sovereign (see paragraph 94 above). On the basis of all the material before it and having regard to the above establishment of facts, the Court finds that Gulistan is not occupied by or under the effective control of foreign forces as this would require a presence of foreign troops in Gulistan.
See what I meant? Replace “Gulistan” with “Gaza”, and there you have it! In fact, I’m pretty sure that this is at least one judgment of the European Court that Israeli governmental legal advisors will be citing all the time, whenever the issue of Gaza’s occupation is brought up (and good for them).
Just to be clear, I don’t think that the Court is wrong here – I’m in fact on the record in saying that Gaza most probably does not fit any classical notion of occupation, and that in fact occupation, as the Court says, requires troops on the ground.

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This post continues my criticism of Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court’s tentative characterization of Israel’s relationship to Gaza as one of occupation. Since Israel withdrew its troops and expelled its civilians from Gaza in 2005, all government functions have been performed by the local Palestinian authorities. The Office of the Prosecutor (OTP) suggests that Israel continues to occupy Gaza because it is still involved in the territory. The Prosecutor overstates the extent of Israel’s involvement, but more importantly, its analysis replaces the “effective control” test with something like a “some control” or influence” test, unknown to international law.

Consider the “competencies” rattled off by the Prosecutor to establish the existence of an occupation. Most of the activities described are simply not relevant to the question of effective control.  Israel has checkpoints at the Gaza frontier because it is its border – every country controls entry and exit via its border (as does Egypt with Gaza). Similarly the customs and taxes issues are by arrangement with the Palestinian Authority, because goods are unloaded at an Israeli port. Indeed the transfer of customs duty to Gazan authorities proves there are in fact Gazan authorities, that are not Israeli. Nor is Gaza’s use of Israeli currency any evidence of occupation. They choose to use the currency, and can use anything else if they wanted to. Several countries use the U.S. dollar and are very dependent on the U.S., but no one has ever suggested this amounts to occupation.

The argument about occasional Israeli military incursions into Gaza is even weaker. Every country reserves the right to enter a neighboring territory when militarily necessary. In an occupation, the right is reserved even when not militarily necessary. Israel does not claim to be exercising rights of belligerent occupation when entering Gaza, but rather rights of self defense. Any time there are two hostile countries near each other, this is liable to happen. Turkey enters Syria when need be. Nor is the ease with which Israel enters relevant; being a stronger power does not make one an occupier.

As for controlling airspace, the Security Council itself has made clear that this does not amount to occupation under the law of war.
Indeed, by the Prosecutor’s logic, Gaza occupies Israel. First, it reserves the right to enter Israel when militarily necessary, and exercises this right. Indeed, it digs tunnels directly into Israel: a direct physical occupation of territory. Moreover, it controls parts of life in Israel. It decides, for example, when school will be open in the South, and when it will be closed due to rocket fire. Indeed, Gazan authorities boast that they can shut down Israel’s airport whenever they want. Yet this just means Gaza conducts hostilities against Israel not that it is occupying it.
Indeed, by the same logic Egypt could be said to be occupying Gaza, as it controls and seals the border, and engages in incursions into Gaza when necessary. Similarly, the international community does not consider eastern Ukraine occupied by Russia, despite it being controlled by Russian-organized and armed militias, backed by Russian troops.

None of these other situations is treated as an occupation, which demonstrates how the OTP reasoning flies in the face of all international practice. Indeed, the EU has recently taken the position that Western Sahara is not occupied by Morocco, despite the latter’s total control, with actual troops, of the former. This would all be worth the OTP’s time to mention, but they skip it and any other state practice. (I discuss the EU’s Morocco policy here.)

Ironically, the ICC decision comes shortly after Sweden’s much-trumpeted decision to recognize a Palestinian state. The Swedes are sticklers for international law, and do not believe in short cuts around the objective Montivedeo criteria for recognizing new states. Thus in explaining their decision, Stockholm said that the Palestinians do have a government, a power exercising control. It likened it to Kosovo and Croatia, where recognition occurred when the government only controlled some of its claimed territory. The Swedes did not specify which territory the Palestinian government controls (or which government), but presumably it would include Gaza and Area A.

Even aside from the issue of whether Palestine qualifies as a state, most of the world recognizes a Palestinian “government” that includes Gaza as well. A government governs, and thus has effective control. So if the Prosector is truly guided by the opinion of the international community, she has a problem, as these views are contradictory. That is the danger in departing from legal tests to political ones.


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Eugene Kontorovich is a professor at Northwestern University School of Law, and an expert on constitutional and international law. He also writes and lectures frequently about the Arab-Israel conflict.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/13/gaza-is-not-remotely-occupied-ii/

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Prof. Eugene Kontorovich teaches at Northwestern University School of Law, and is a senior researcher at the Kohelet Policy Forum in Jerusalem

I think that covers it

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:45 pm

So that dispells legal terms now does it Sassy.

Try again

Like He said how can something be occupied when a Government is recognised by so many nations and its true, you would not be able to recognise them if occupied.
Again no troops occupy Gaza, so on again on that front its bull to claim occupation and only terrorist supporters do so to then make the absurd claim of armed resistance under occupation. They thus like you do justify terrorism as they clearly are not freedom fighters. The only way you could recognise them as freedom fighters is if you believe that Israel has not a right to exist and that it belongs to the Palestinians.

You see you walk into why I can easily expose why you back terrorism or you back the view Israel does not exist or have the right to exist.

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