11-year-old boy shoots toddler dead

victorismyhero wrote:FGS...why wasnt the gun secured?????

Original Quill wrote:It's all fine and dandy to attribute this incident to the carelessness of the adults.  But let's face it, a certain percentage of any population is going to be careless.  China, Australia, Brazil, India, Africa, Turkey, France, and yes the UK...they all have some elements within that will be careless with guns.

Therefore, this could happen anywhere.  The response is not enough to say that the adults didn't act responsibly.  The answer is to simply make firearms unavailable.  Then we take into account the ignorant bastards responsible for this kind of tragedy.

victorismyhero wrote:

Original Quill wrote:It's all fine and dandy to attribute this incident to the carelessness of the adults.  But let's face it, a certain percentage of any population is going to be careless.  China, Australia, Brazil, India, Africa, Turkey, France, and yes the UK...they all have some elements within that will be careless with guns.

Therefore, this could happen anywhere.  The response is not enough to say that the adults didn't act responsibly.  The answer is to simply make firearms unavailable.  Then we take into account the ignorant bastards responsible for this kind of tragedy.

and punish the responsible....by your reasoning we should nuke america

how many accidents of this nature do you hear about from britain???

NONE

victorismyhero wrote:You said
  " The answer is to simply make firearms unavailable. "

no.....

the answer is to make guns available ONLY to those responsible enough to own them

if you are suggesting that no one in america is responsible enough then thats a sad kind of reflection on your society

Original Quill wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:You said
  " The answer is to simply make firearms unavailable. "

no.....

the answer is to make guns available ONLY to those responsible enough to own them

if you are suggesting that no one in america is responsible enough then thats a sad kind of reflection on your society

That's a semantic argument: unavailability is a relative term, depending on how extensive you make it.  Learn to read for context.

Again with the responsibility argument.  You don't prove 'responsibility' by being British.

Its you (america) that has the problem....

 You prove it by making gun ownership contingent upon taking classes, passing tests, and demonstrating knowledge of gun safety and safe practices.  Those kinds of gun control laws are what are lacking in America.

and yet.......we have none of that either ??

BTW, you really have a hard-on for America, don't you?  The jealousy is transparent.

jealous....what of???   the fact that a seriously large %age of your population are just plain nuts and /or have no regard for their own and others safety

that the fact that being risk averse is considered "a bad thing?"...really???? i'm jealous of that??

victorismyhero wrote:you wont get any disagreement from me on that didge...

you know how strict the rules are here about all aspects of gun handling and ownership...and rightly so...cos they are dangerous...
we have our grandkids round regularly...and me and mrs victor are near paranoid about making sure the guns are safe and out the way.....

even the secure cabinets are "disguised" and therby hidden

Such care is even applied to dangerous tools like nail guns, (batteries removed and gas cylinders removed, and te whole lot hidden out the way of little fingers) and the big machines, which require TWO keys to operate...one for the main supply and one on the machine (one is a real key, the other is an ID style radio card)

they yanks seem to think such things are mere tools like a hammer....