FBI investigating 'suicide' of woman in jail - The Sandra Bland case

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It doesn't add up.  This intelligent, pretty young woman named Sandra Bland was given a traffic stop for--WTF???--failure to signal a lane change during an emergency stop?  (Is that even a law?)  Then, as the clip shows, the officer demands she not smoke, that she get out of her vehicle, then he gets into a physical altercation with her, and arrests her FOR ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER!

Then he takes her to jail, whereupon she ends up dead?  The authorities try to tell us she hanged herself with a garbage bag?  How do you hang yourself with a plastic garbage bag?  Here...you - hold - this - end - while - I - try - to - get - the - other - end - around - my - ne...uh, neck...oh crap, I dropped it.

So they are mulling that over, and they find she answered 'yes' on an admittance form where it asked if she ever tried to commit suicide.  Ahah!  There...see?  She admitted it...um, before the fact.  How can you admit suicide before you commit suicide??  Um...let's put that aside.  The more important questions is, Why didn't you then have her on suicide watch, as Texas law requires?

So, the Texas authorities go back and re-do the autopsy one more time.  Ahah!  Look, see?  We found marijuana in her system!  What does that show?  What is the relevance of marijuana in her system?  More importantly, how did you let her obtain marijuana?  She was in your jail for what, 2 - 3 days, as she tried to arrange for bail.

I've got a simple theory.  They wanted to do away with her so they drugged her to kill her, and used a drug that shows up as trace MJ.  Then they faked a hanging with a--ahem--plastic bag.  Makes more sense than the answers they are giving out.

Here, take a look:  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33573743



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Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well no, they're saying it's suicide because she was found with a plastic bin bag around her neck. They ask the question on the form to establish if someone is a suicide risk. You could say they should have put her on suicide watch, but that's different to saying that she admitted her suicide.

If you believe the plastic bag story, then you don't need to mention the arrest form.  Don't you see?   It's what we call in law of evidence, a 'make-weight' item, because it is only cumulative.  The only time you need cumulative evidence is when you think you won't be believed.

And that's part of why I don't believe them.  Why do they have to use something off-point to 'make weight' in their evidence?  It's furtive behavior.  They are trying to hide something...ie, cover-up.

Now, not that this item alone would tip the scales.  But all things taken together, this case smells really awful.

Well some people don't believe the police do they? You certainly don't.

Unless you think that the form was faked, I really don't see your point.

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If you believe the plastic bag story, then you don't need to mention the arrest form.  Don't you see?   It's what we call in law of evidence, a 'make-weight' item, because it is only cumulative.  The only time you need cumulative evidence is when you think you won't be believed.

And that's part of why I don't believe them.  Why do they have to use something off-point to 'make weight' in their evidence?  It's furtive behavior.  They are trying to hide something...ie, cover-up.

Now, not that this item alone would tip the scales.  But all things taken together, this case smells really awful.

Well some people don't believe the police do they? You certainly don't.

Unless you think that the form was faked, I really don't see your point.

The point is that the police in Waller County, Texas cannot be trusted. It is a situation where a southern police force is victimizing a black. This comes from decades upon decades of experience of black people being abused in the south by police. To ignore the abnormal number of incidents is to be brain dead. To not pause and ask questions in this case is to add fuel to that fire.

In this case, there are so many things that are incapable of belief, including a traffic stop for failing to signal when pulling over to let an emergency vehicle pass. That is incredible enough, but then to end up with that person being incarcerated for her part in a confrontation that the cop clearly provoked is beyond belief.

Okay, so now she is in custody. Now everything that happens to her person is the police department's responsibility. The police have a duty of care. Any breach can be inferred from an injury or death that does not ordinarily occur without wrongdoing. She ends up dead, with the most incredible story of how she died. There is no direct evidence of her death. Just the story of the police department that is responsible for her person.

What kind of breach--whether it was intentional or negligence--has yet to be determined. But there clearly is wrongdoing in this case.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well some people don't believe the police do they? You certainly don't.

Unless you think that the form was faked, I really don't see your point.

The point is that the police in Waller County, Texas cannot be trusted.  It is a situation where a southern police force is victimizing a black.  This comes from decades upon decades of experience of black people being abused in the south by police.  To ignore the abnormal number of incidents is to be brain dead.  To not pause and ask questions in this case is to add fuel to that fire.

In this case, there are so many things that are incapable of belief, including a traffic stop for failing to signal when pulling over to let an emergency vehicle pass.  That is incredible enough, but then to end up with that person being incarcerated for her part in a confrontation that the cop clearly provoked is beyond belief.

Okay, so now she is in custody.  Now everything that happens to her person is the police department's responsibility.  The police have a duty of care.  Any breach can be inferred from an injury or death that does not ordinarily occur without wrongdoing.  She ends up dead, with the most incredible story of how she died.  There is no direct evidence of her death.  Just the story of the police department that is responsible for her person.

What kind of breach--whether it was intentional or negligence--has yet to be determined.  But there clearly is wrongdoing in this case.

Yes, but you're actually claiming that the police killed her, are you not?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The point is that the police in Waller County, Texas cannot be trusted.  It is a situation where a southern police force is victimizing a black.  This comes from decades upon decades of experience of black people being abused in the south by police.  To ignore the abnormal number of incidents is to be brain dead.  To not pause and ask questions in this case is to add fuel to that fire.

In this case, there are so many things that are incapable of belief, including a traffic stop for failing to signal when pulling over to let an emergency vehicle pass.  That is incredible enough, but then to end up with that person being incarcerated for her part in a confrontation that the cop clearly provoked is beyond belief.

Okay, so now she is in custody.  Now everything that happens to her person is the police department's responsibility.  The police have a duty of care.  Any breach can be inferred from an injury or death that does not ordinarily occur without wrongdoing.  She ends up dead, with the most incredible story of how she died.  There is no direct evidence of her death.  Just the story of the police department that is responsible for her person.

What kind of breach--whether it was intentional or negligence--has yet to be determined.  But there clearly is wrongdoing in this case.

Yes, but you're actually claiming that the police killed her, are you not?

If there are ten chances, right now I would say nine of them are that she was murdered. The facts are: 1) she is black; 2) it is a police department in the deep south; 3) she was selected out for ridiculous, highly unbelievable reasons; 4) the cop provoked an argument, without justification (prior motive); 5) the cop unreasonably elevated the tensions to the point where she was incarcerated; 6) there is no evidence of the physical assault he imagined; 7) the excuse for incarceration is a common lie used by and disseminated by cops everywhere; she is not put on 24-hour watch, nor even videoed despite warnings; 9) she ends up dead; 10) after death, the police come up with an unfathomable explanation.

Note that every point of fact involves intentional antagonism by the police, except no. 8. And no. 8 infers a common scheme or plan (lapses of care), and obviously also goes to cover-up. If my theory were negligence, the thrust of all ten points would be mere malpractice. But there is a consistent theme of malfeasance here, not misfeasance. On that basis, I strongly suspect homicide.

We'll have to see what the District Attorney's Blue Ribbon Committed comes up with. I must say, most Blue Ribbon Committees are convened to put a whitewash out there in the minds of the public. Recall the Warren Commission that looked into the Kennedy killing. Or, the Rogers Commission that looked into the Challenger Crash. Both came up with vanilla explanations, designed to put the matter to rest. But occasionally some member goes rogue and comes out with the truth. Recall when Physicist Richard P. Feynman blew the whistle on the Rogers Commission findings.