California governor signs vaccine law barring religious exemptions for most kids

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

The governor of California — which was ground zero for the Disneyland measles outbreak that infected 117 people — today signed legislation giving the state one of the toughest school vaccine laws in the country.
California children will no longer be able to skip the shots normally required to attend school because of their parents’ religious or personal objections. Unvaccinated children will still be able to attend school if there is a medical reason why they’re not able to be immunized, such as treatment for cancer.
“The science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a number of infectious and dangerous diseases,” said Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, in a statement. “While it’s true that no medical intervention is without risk, the evidence shows that immunization powerfully benefits and protects the community.”
While all 50 states require school children to be vaccinated, 48 currently allow exemptions for families with religious objections and 20 exempt children based on parents’ personal beliefs, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

http://www.religionnews.com/2015/07/01/california-governor-signs-vaccine-law-barring-religious-exemptions-for-most-kids/

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:03 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
mentor wrote:so dont complain when people dont want to either pay for your kids future health care or wont let your kids near theirs

dont complain when people wish to refuse to pay for the care of your kids/grand kids who may be born with whatever because you caught flu whilst pregnant

etc etc etc.....

why is people making their own choice such a problem with you?

It isnt ...until their choices clash with MY choices

unvaccinated people are a definite and demonstrable risk to society
they are also a drain on the "social purse"

there is enough pressure on health services without the additional burden of dealing with both the immediate AND subsequent complications of these childhood diseases....

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:07 pm

mentor wrote:or wear cycle helmets

Seat belts and cycle helmets are non-toxic and as far as I know don't go into a person's bloodstream.

For years and years women have carried babies without having to have a flu jab! It's just over-nannying and trying to make more bloody money!

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:13 pm

eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:or wear cycle helmets

Seat belts and cycle helmets are non-toxic and as far as I know don't go into a person's bloodstream.

For years and years women have carried babies without having to have a flu jab! It's just over-nannying and trying to make more bloody money!

for years and years women have carried babies without a flu jab, ...and had a higher incidence of miscarriages, stillborns and birth defects......

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:17 pm

mentor wrote:
eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:or wear cycle helmets

Seat belts and cycle helmets are non-toxic and as far as I know don't go into a person's bloodstream.

For years and years women have carried babies without having to have a flu jab! It's just over-nannying and trying to make more bloody money!

for years and years women have carried babies without a flu jab, ...and had a higher incidence of miscarriages, stillborns and birth defects......

Hmmm. I don't think getting the flu had caused that many miscarriages etc
most miscarriages are caused by birth defects or are unknown

And! If you get the flu (and the flu isn't as common as people think - most people get a bad cold and claim it's the flu!) then it doesn't pose a threat to a baby's life. It's only the dehydration it can cause and the high temp - which if you're not dumb, you can control at home!

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:18 pm

eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:or wear cycle helmets

Seat belts and cycle helmets are non-toxic and as far as I know don't go into a person's bloodstream.

For years and years women have carried babies without having to have a flu jab! It's just over-nannying and trying to make more bloody money!

For years yes some went without. Today they are needed more than ever.
You have no evidence they are bad.
You ignore any evidence on this and fail to look at objectionably.
You have no medical expertise and just go off pseudo sites that make poor claims.
You ignore the real data and evidence on this and for what?
That you deny your children the best medical expert advice.
I do not call that being objective but being played at very easily by the pseudo sites. Their objective to scare you with incorrect information. As seen they succeeded with you based off gobbledygook and you bought it
Unless you have had a consensus of doctors saying otherwise, you really are in no position to claim vaccines are not good based off pseudo crap you have read and even less understood.
Its about protecting children first and fore most.
No parent should deny their children the human right to be rightfully protected.

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:19 pm

4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women

Documentation received from the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) states that between 2009 and 2010 the mercury-laden combined flu vaccinations have increased Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systems (VAERS) fetal death reports by 4,250 percent in pregnant women. Eileen Dannemann, NCOW’s director, made abundantly clear that despite these figures being known to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the multiple-strain, inactivated flu vaccine containing mercury (Thimerosal) has once again been recommended to pregnant women as a safe vaccination this season.

Outraged by the CDC’s total disregard for human life, Ms. Dannemann accused the CDC of ‘willful misconduct,’ saying that they are responsible for causing the deaths of thousands of unborn babies. She stated that the CDC deliberately misled the nation’s obstetricians and gynecologists and colluded with the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology (AJOG) to mislead the public by advertising the flu vaccine as a safe vaccine for pregnant women when they knew fully well that it was causing a massive spike in fetal deaths.

http://vactruth.com/2012/11/23/flu-shot-spikes-fetal-death/

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:23 pm

eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:

for years and years women have carried babies without a flu jab, ...and had a higher incidence of miscarriages, stillborns and birth defects......

Hmmm. I don't think getting the flu had caused that many miscarriages etc
most miscarriages are caused by birth defects or are unknown

And! If you get the flu (and the flu isn't as common as people think - most people get a bad cold and claim it's the flu!) then it doesn't pose a threat to a baby's life. It's only the dehydration it can cause and the high temp - which if you're not dumb, you can control at home!

you have obviously never had a proper flu...something with a bit of bite ...like mao flu....

I had that in the late 70's early 80's there was no vaccine...... I was bedridden for 4 weeks.....

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:23 pm

The PAP is given to girls now because they are sexually active
So they don't NEED the vaccine

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:23 pm

eddie wrote:4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women

Documentation received from the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) states that between 2009 and 2010 the mercury-laden combined flu vaccinations have increased Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systems (VAERS) fetal death reports by 4,250 percent in pregnant women. Eileen Dannemann, NCOW’s director, made abundantly clear that despite these figures being known to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the multiple-strain, inactivated flu vaccine containing mercury (Thimerosal) has once again been recommended to pregnant women as a safe vaccination this season.

Outraged by the CDC’s total disregard for human life, Ms. Dannemann accused the CDC of ‘willful misconduct,’ saying that they are responsible for causing the deaths of thousands of unborn babies. She stated that the CDC deliberately misled the nation’s obstetricians and gynecologists and colluded with the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology (AJOG) to mislead the public by advertising the flu vaccine as a safe vaccine for pregnant women when they knew fully well that it was causing a massive spike in fetal deaths.

Notice no link because this again is pseudo babble

Reuters Health) - Getting the flu vaccine while pregnant does not increase the odds that the fetus will die in the womb, according to a new study of tens of thousands of women in Norway.

Although fetal deaths were rare during the study, they were more common in pregnant women with the flu.

"Vaccination itself was not associated with increased fetal mortality and may have reduced the risk of influenza-related death during the pandemic" of 2009, said the team, led by Dr. Siri Haberg of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health in Oslo.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/16/us-flu-vaccine-idUSBRE90F1JE20130116

Real evidence Eddie, not bullshit

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:24 pm

Eddie ....you reference supplied is yet another of those "conspiracy type sites"

quick pull down the internet... Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:36 pm

If yu or one of your family were gardening and stuck a fork through your foot (not as uncommon as you would think)
would you refuse the tetanus vaccine??

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:36 pm

And its being recycled from 2012 Victor as seen from this pusedo link.

http://vactruth.com/2012/11/23/flu-shot-spikes-fetal-death/

So they are knowingly recycling a false claim:

Antivaccinationists just love the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting (VAERS) database. As in love it to death. As in “can’t get enough of it.” The reason, of course, is that VAERS is a lot like an unmoderated discussion forum or, at best, a minimally moderated forum. Anyone can say anything they like. The reason is that it is a database to which anyone can add an entry, and there is only minimal effort to determine whether a given purported adverse reaction to vaccines being entered is actually the least bit likely to be even related to vaccines. Indeed, it took a man claiming that his child was turned into The Incredible Hulk before it caught the attention of VAERS staff. Moreover, it’s a database that’s been warped by antivaccine litigation, as unscrupulous lawyers encourage parents to make reports to the database implicating vaccines for their children’s autism. No wonder that antivaccine mavens like Mark Geier so love to dumpster dive in the VAERS database for spurious correlations that they can use to try to implicate vaccines as a cause of autism or other conditions, and just last week I saw that the antivaccine tradition continues as a truly incompetent researcher named Stephanie Seneff followed Mark Geier into the dumpster that is the VAERS database. Truly, for antivaccinationists, the VAERS database is a gift that keeps on giving.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/11/28/h1n1-vaccine-and-miscarriages-more-antivaccine-fear-mongering-about-flu-vaccines/

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:38 pm

eddie wrote:The PAP is given to girls now because they are sexually active
So they don't NEED the vaccine

untill they DO become sexually active...even if they wiat till marriage....

can you guarantee that their partner has not been "active" and thus carries the virus?

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:41 pm

Well didge, I think anti vax ers should be given a 0.5% discount on their NI contributions

and then should be firmly at the bottom of the pile when treatment is needed for a vaccine preventable disease....

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:44 pm

Do these idiots think that

polio
smallpox
diptheria

all just "went away" becasue they were feeling "nice"

or could it be that vaccination ...mass vaccination....had something to do with it?

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:47 pm

mentor wrote:Well didge, I think anti vax ers should be given a 0.5% discount on their NI contributions

and then should be firmly at the bottom of the pile when treatment is needed for a vaccine preventable disease....

Hi Victor

Sadly equality does not work that way, though your point has every relevance to those ignoring the evidence..

They are so easily gullible and fail to research claims made. They do not care what risks they place others into by denying vaccines. As they easily fell prey to the intentions of the bullshit sites, allowing themselves to be led by irrational fear. As seen I find it unbelievable the conspirators never do any research. Imagine we had to create separate schools because they were so easily gullible. This coming from posters who moon at the money we spend on more schools. Good Idea in principle though mate.

See you tomorrow buddy

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:12 pm

eddie wrote:4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women

Documentation received from the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) states that between 2009 and 2010 the mercury-laden combined flu vaccinations have increased Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systems (VAERS) fetal death reports by 4,250 percent in pregnant women. Eileen Dannemann, NCOW’s director, made abundantly clear that despite these figures being known to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the multiple-strain, inactivated flu vaccine containing mercury (Thimerosal) has once again been recommended to pregnant women as a safe vaccination this season.

Outraged by the CDC’s total disregard for human life, Ms. Dannemann accused the CDC of ‘willful misconduct,’ saying that they are responsible for causing the deaths of thousands of unborn babies. She stated that the CDC deliberately misled the nation’s obstetricians and gynecologists and colluded with the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology (AJOG) to mislead the public by advertising the flu vaccine as a safe vaccine for pregnant women when they knew fully well that it was causing a massive spike in fetal deaths.

http://vactruth.com/2012/11/23/flu-shot-spikes-fetal-death/

bloody hell that's terrible

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:15 pm

It would be...but only if you are dumb enough to beleive these "conspiracy sites"

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:54 pm

mentor wrote:Eddie ....you reference supplied is yet another of those "conspiracy type sites"

quick pull down the internet...

I did supply, a link

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:55 pm

What next Elmer?

A yellow star and a number tattooed on their arm...!?

Nobody has been able to say the toxins listed in the link I provided are wrong yet...

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:55 pm

eddie wrote:4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women

Documentation received from the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) states that between 2009 and 2010 the mercury-laden combined flu vaccinations have increased Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systems (VAERS) fetal death reports by 4,250 percent in pregnant women. Eileen Dannemann, NCOW’s director, made abundantly clear that despite these figures being known to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the multiple-strain, inactivated flu vaccine containing mercury (Thimerosal) has once again been recommended to pregnant women as a safe vaccination this season.

Outraged by the CDC’s total disregard for human life, Ms. Dannemann accused the CDC of ‘willful misconduct,’ saying that they are responsible for causing the deaths of thousands of unborn babies. She stated that the CDC deliberately misled the nation’s obstetricians and gynecologists and colluded with the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology (AJOG) to mislead the public by advertising the flu vaccine as a safe vaccine for pregnant women when they knew fully well that it was causing a massive spike in fetal deaths.

http://vactruth.com/2012/11/23/flu-shot-spikes-fetal-death/

The link is there.

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:57 pm

I can choose what vaccines I want for myself and my children.

As it happens , my children have had all of theirs.
Did I give my three year old the flu vaccine?? No.

Did any of the previous generations have it at three? No

Did you know that falling coconuts kill 150 people a year?
They better find a vaccine....and fast!!!!

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:59 pm

I think if they are forcing the vaccines then they have something sinister in them

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:What next Elmer?

A yellow star and a number tattooed on their arm...!?

why should I accept the risk to my children from people too dumb to think

why should I pay to provide medical aid to people who are out of their tree???

Nobody has been able to say the toxins listed in the link I provided are wrong yet...

cant you read?

Myth #4: Vaccines contain unsafe toxins.
People have concerns over the use of formaldehyde, mercury or aluminum in vaccines. It’s true that these chemicals are toxic to the human body in certain levels, but only trace amounts of these chemicals are used in FDA approved vaccines. In fact, according to the FDA and the CDC, formaldehyde is produced at higher rates by our own metabolic systems and there is no scientific evidence that the low levels of this chemical, mercury or aluminum in vaccines can be harmful. See section III of this guide to review safety information about these chemicals and how they are used in vaccines.

http://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/

you eat and drink more (and worse) toxins in a day than you would get from a life time of vaccinations

by nicko Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:09 pm

I keep getting "timed out"

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:15 pm

me too nicko...forumotion at its best again

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:18 pm

Vic, yes we do ingest toxins knowingly and unknowingly

But it's my choice if I want to take a vaccine that I don't think I need!
What if "they" tell you tomorrow, that you need vaccinating because you might get bowel cancer from eating too much meat?
You going to just have it, without asking questions and without thinking "Hang on...people have been eating meat for thousands of years! I think I'll take my chances on what I know thanks!"

I know that I think for myself and I don't always listen to doctors and furthermore, I stop my thyroid meds and my Ménière's disease meds, when I've instinctively know to. Doctors have never said I was wrong.
I've stopped them long before they've advised me and I've only ever been told "That's fine"

They can often just over-medicate

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:21 pm

I'm not against vaccines per se, I just think that they contain too many harmful ingredients and are given to children at a too early age where their bodies are not necessarily able to cope with them.

Especially when multiple ones are given in a single jab.

And yes I have had quite a bad reaction to vaccines in the past.

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:26 pm

eddie wrote:I can choose what vaccines I want for myself and my children.

As it happens , my children have had all of theirs.
Did I give my three year old the flu vaccine?? No.

Did any of the previous generations have it at three? No

Did you know that falling coconuts kill 150 people a year?
They better find a vaccine....and fast!!!!

What you chose for yourself is up to you. What is right and best medically for others comes best from the vast resources on this. The worst part about all this is yet again you have damning evidence that exposes this pseudo sites and again you turn away from the evidence and think you know what is medically best on vaccines again from these sises. At every turn you fail to even question what you believed in the claim you posted. You took it at face value and on faith, not on any real evidence. You say people should be objectionable. You and other conspiracy theorists are not objectionable. If you were, then you would actually properly research the evidence and not just buy something you read Eddie. It shows your views to many things are not based o evidence but on faith.

The very last point just shows how badly removed you are from having actual free will.

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:29 pm

eddie wrote:Vic, yes we do ingest toxins knowingly and unknowingly

But it's my choice if I want to take a vaccine that I don't think I need!
What if "they" tell you tomorrow, that you need vaccinating because you might get bowel cancer from eating too much meat?

but this of course is just another vaccuous argument of the anit vax conspiracy theorist who knows no science isnt it
"they" (who ever they are" wont just "tell you tomorrow, that you need vaccinating because you might get bowel cancer from eating too much meat"
will they , nor if that was the case would i blindly comply.

However If they came up with a vaccine that has been fully approved and tested and has been shown to effectively prevent the vast majority of bowel cancers, with a high degree of safety, then I would consider it.

other wise why not just shut all university medical depts...all hospitals and doctors, and go back to the village witch doctor ?

You going to just have it, without asking questions and without thinking "Hang on...people have been eating meat for thousands of years! I think I'll take my chances on what I know thanks!"

I know that I think for myself and I don't always listen to doctors and furthermore, I stop my thyroid meds and my Ménière's disease meds, when I've instinctively know to. Doctors have never said I was wrong.
I've stopped them long before they've advised me and I've only ever been told "That's fine"

They can often just over-medicate

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:29 pm

Eeek! The last part of my post was a joke didge?
I know you're not fast at catching the drift but come on.....!!??

My three year old doesn't need the flu jab.
All,the generations before were fine without it. It's really not that easy to die from the flu.
Over medicating. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not against vaccines per se, I just think that they contain too many harmful ingredients and are given to children at a too early age where their bodies are not necessarily able to cope with them.

Especially when multiple ones are given in a single jab.

And yes I have had quite a bad reaction to vaccines in the past.

You think based on you yourself not having a clue and easily being persuaded to believe something something which as seen from the evidence has no bases. The levels of the substances are trace. It shows you have no idea, you failed to even be objectionable to what you bought into and even now still wrongly believe the levels are harmful.

Do yourself a favour and research further than the bullshit sites you picked up the garbage claims from.

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:33 pm

eddie wrote:Eeek! The last part of my post was a joke didge?
I know you're not fast at catching the drift but come on.....!!??

My three year old doesn't need the flu jab.
All,the generations before were fine without it. It's really not that easy to die from the flu.
Over medicating.

Ho would you even know Eddie whether she does if you have not got a consensus expert opinion on the matter? You place an unnecessary risk, based on you have no idea but gauging this from scare tactics these pseudo sites use.
I am just disappointed how people do not look into things claimed more.
I mean if they were able to create a vaccine for cancer, do you not think it would be best for many people to have this?

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:34 pm

eddie wrote:Eeek! The last part of my post was a joke didge?
I know you're not fast at catching the drift but come on.....!!??

My three year old doesn't need the flu jab.
All,the generations before were fine without it. It's really not that easy to die from the flu.
Over medicating.

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:36 pm

mentor wrote:
eddie wrote:Eeek! The last part of my post was a joke didge?
I know you're not fast at catching the drift but come on.....!!??

My three year old doesn't need the flu jab.
All,the generations before were fine without it. It's really not that easy to die from the flu.
Over medicating.

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

Ouch.

Now if that does not hit home, then sadly I doubt anything will.
As I understand we are long overdue a pandemic.

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:37 pm

Oh blah blah didge
Seriously, you're like a robot.
Is there no situation in which you don't do as you're told???

I've done my research thanks. Not even going to bother telling you how find it so ner-ner!

I'm in a good mood and can't be arsed to argue
I know what I know and vice versa

California governor signs vaccine law barring religious exemptions for most kids - Page 2 1069003512

California governor signs vaccine law barring religious exemptions for most kids - Page 2 1069003512

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:46 pm

eddie wrote:Oh blah blah didge
Seriously, you're like a robot.
Is there no situation in which you don't do as you're told???

I've done my research thanks. Not even going to bother telling you how find it so ner-ner!

I'm in a good mood and can't be arsed to argue
I know what I know and vice versa

Deflection 1) You just got really given a real lesson on vaccinations by Victor, so you ignore this evidence and go blah blah blah. Which is you backing the view of sticking your fingers in your ears.

Deflection 2) I Claim I obey everything. False accusation.

Deflection 3) So if you continue to debate you will get annoyed for being wrong and blame me for that.

For goodness sake. You have been given excellent information to go back again and look at these claims you believe. d

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:46 pm

unvaccinated people are a definite and demonstrable risk to societythey are also a drain on the "social purse"... says mentor...

Foreigners arriving here with various diseases and medical conditions including hiv and aids are costing us a lot more already.

Interesting about the flu vaccine Eddie... how come that anything that challenges the official version is now deemed bullshit by some on here and 'conspiracy'...?

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:unvaccinated people are a definite and demonstrable risk to societythey are also a drain on the "social purse"... says mentor...

Foreigners arriving here with various diseases and medical conditions including hiv and aids are costing us a lot more already.

Interesting about the flu vaccine Eddie... how come that anything that challenges the official version is now deemed bullshit by some on here and 'conspiracy'...?

California governor signs vaccine law barring religious exemptions for most kids - Page 2 Triple+facePalm

by eddie Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:52 pm

mentor wrote:
eddie wrote:Eeek! The last part of my post was a joke didge?
I know you're not fast at catching the drift but come on.....!!??

My three year old doesn't need the flu jab.
All,the generations before were fine without it. It's really not that easy to die from the flu.
Over medicating.

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

The flu jab offers isn't for swine or Spanish just your regukar flu.

And swine flu jabs have killed loads of children.

Ask didge to "research" it for you. He has loads and loads of time for hundreds of hours of research on every topic you could ever mention ! lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:unvaccinated people are a definite and demonstrable risk to societythey are also a drain on the "social purse"... says mentor...

Foreigners arriving here with various diseases and medical conditions including hiv and aids are costing us a lot more already.

true...but the point is?? not relevant....

Interesting about the flu vaccine Eddie... how come that anything that challenges the official version is now deemed bullshit by some on here and 'conspiracy'...?

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:58 pm

eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

The flu jab offers isn't for swine or Spanish just your regukar flu.

And swine flu jabs have killed loads of children.

Ask didge to "research" it for you. He has loads and loads of time for hundreds of hours of research on every topic you could ever mention !

to you too....

the swine flu vaccs was somewhat over reaction, although it was serious
the normal flu? ...no such thing there are literally thousands of flu variants...some more serious than others
the "regualr flu jab did in fact give "partial immunity" to swine flu since one of the components was a similar variant and was probably all that was needed....(since partial immunity would not stop you getting it but WOULD reduce its severity greatly.)

as for the vaccine killing kids....whare? ..I didnt see any evidence of it here...

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:00 pm

eddie wrote:
mentor wrote:

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

The flu jab offers isn't for swine or Spanish just your regukar flu.

And swine flu jabs have killed loads of children.

Ask didge to "research" it for you. He has loads and loads of time for hundreds of hours of research on every topic you could ever mention !

Oh dear me.
Eddie has denied herself to allow objectivity and backs someone without question not checking their results.
That is your first point of call Eddie. You need to verify any claims by .
The problem is Eddie you have no idea and are just going of faith to believe this person. At least Victor and myself Ben etc can read further than a conspiracy site and research
I think you will find in the links I gave you some very important information.
Sadly you were easily won over with by fear Eddie and not any common sense here

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:01 pm

Ahh the narcolepsy thing.....

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:04 pm

100 cases amongst 31 million doses.....

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:36 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
mentor wrote:

PFFFFT>>>>WHAT????????

ask the 10's 100's of thousands that died from spanish flu

ask how many millions will die when H5N1 or one of its friends DOES learn to chomp on humans properly untill we get the vaccine made (6 months at least)
(I'll give you a clue....about 500 million world wide about 30 million AT LEAST in the uk)

one thing though...at least all the antivaxers will be naturally culled ......

Ouch.

Now if that does not hit home, then sadly I doubt anything will.
As I understand we are long overdue a pandemic.

we have been very very lucky so far didge me old mucker....
thanks mainly of course to all those much despised tricksters known as scientists

of course science isnt real to Hf and co...its all smoke and mirrors so they wont want the vaccine when it becomes necessary (whats to bet they are at the front of the screaming horde DEMANDING their shot?)

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:43 pm

mentor wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Ouch.

Now if that does not hit home, then sadly I doubt anything will.
As I understand we are long overdue a pandemic.

we have been very very lucky so far didge me old mucker....
thanks mainly of course to all those much despised tricksters known as scientists

of course science isnt real to Hf and co...its all smoke and mirrors so they wont want the vaccine when it becomes necessary (whats to bet they are at the front of the screaming horde DEMANDING their shot?)

I am still amazed how they simply do not check any of these claims. Its embarrassing.
They would not make scientists Victor, they are unable to question, in the fear hey could be wrong. We know that we can be wrong, hence we do not fear. We are not constrained with faith to reason. So they are easily susceptible to fear leading them. This group think they have no control over their lives and then are provided with a ready made excuse for failings in life. "Its not my fault things have gone wrong, its a cover up" No responsibility.
You are right they would be the first to line up for one.
IF they created a cancer vaccine tomorrow, again they would be attempting to jump the que and why?
They are let by fear.

You proved they do not listen though.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not against vaccines per se, I just think that they contain too many harmful ingredients and are given to children at a too early age where their bodies are not necessarily able to cope with them.

Especially when multiple ones are given in a single jab.

And yes I have had quite a bad reaction to vaccines in the past.

Maybe some should actually read what others post...

by Guest Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not against vaccines per se, I just think that they contain too many harmful ingredients and are given to children at a too early age where their bodies are not necessarily able to cope with them.

Especially when multiple ones are given in a single jab.

And yes I have had quite a bad reaction to vaccines in the past.

Maybe some should actually read what others post...

Illogical.
You are making claims, poor ones just believing pseudo sites
I posted evidence for you on this and you did not even bother to look at it.
That is fingers in ears time Tommy, going
La la la la la la la
Fears is denying you the ability to research this.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:56 pm

And The rest of what s wrote...!?

by Sponsored content