Angry protesters whitewash rainbow flag on West Bank barrier

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RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian protesters whitewashed a rainbow flag of gay rights that was painted by a Palestinian artist on six slabs of the West Bank separation barrier. The artist, Khaled Jarrar, said Tuesday his art was meant as a reminder that Palestinians live under Israeli occupation, at a time when gay rights are in the news after the U.S. allowed same-sex weddings. But protesters perceived the painting as support for homosexuality, a taboo subject in Palestinian society, where gays are not tolerated.
The artwork ignited angry responses among Palestinians, and activists whitewashed the flag on Monday night, just a few hours after it was painted on the best known section of Israel's graffiti-covered barrier, next to a portrait of Yasser Arafat and other Palestinian leaders.

Jarrar, 39, who has exhibited in Europe and the United States, told The Associated Press that the destruction "reflects the absence of tolerance, and freedoms in the Palestinian society." "People don't accept different thinking in our society," he said, adding he drew the rainbow flag on the barrier to put a spotlight on Palestinian issues. Mohammed, who only gave his first name for fear of repercussions, said he helped whitewash the flag because "we cannot promote gay rights." Mohammed al-Amleh, a 46-year-old lawyer, also approved of the action, saying that "it would be shameful to have the flag of gays in our refugee camp." Gay Palestinians tend to be secretive about their social lives and some have crossed into Israel to live safely. A 1951 Jordanian law banning homosexual acts remains in effect in the West Bank, as does a ban in Gaza passed by British authorities in 1936.

Israel, meanwhile, has emerged as one of the world's most gay-friendly travel destinations recently, in sharp contrast to most of the rest of the Middle East, where gay culture is not tolerated and gays are persecuted and even killed. Earlier this month, over 100,000 people attended a gay pride parade in Tel Aviv.
In Israel, gays serve openly in Israel's military and parliament, and many popular artists and entertainers are gay. Gays cannot marry in Israel, primarily because there is no civil marriage of any kind — all Jewish weddings must be conducted through the Jewish rabbinate, which considers homosexuality a sin and a violation of Jewish law. But the state recognizes same-sex couples who marry abroad. Across most of the rest of the Middle East, however, gay and lesbian relationships are taboo. The pervasiveness of religion in everyday life, along with strict cultural norms, plays a major factor in that.

Same-sex relations are punishable by death in Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen.




http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e303cdebde114089a2f9555651550e08/angry-protesters-whitewash-rainbow-flag-west-bank-barrier

Eilzel wrote:Even still Irn, the fact is one or even a few groups of homophobic extremists in Israel doesn't equal the overwhelming majority being homophobic in Palestine. The twitter tweet is obviously trying to undermine Palestinian homophobia by raising the fact that similar exists in Israel when it is not in the same league in reality.

I know you aren't so disingenuous, but the tweeter I think otherwise.

The Tweeter was Adam Levick who is a devout Jewish person fighting Israel's corner all the way.

Didge deliberatly tried to stir this up and twist his words on to me.

I have showed you my post and it's quite clear where I stand.

Here's Adam Levick's twitter account - have a read Les where he stands

https://twitter.com/adamlevick

Anyway, I'm just in and it's tea time so maybe see you later.

Irn Bru wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Even still Irn, the fact is one or even a few groups of homophobic extremists in Israel doesn't equal the overwhelming majority being homophobic in Palestine. The twitter tweet is obviously trying to undermine Palestinian homophobia by raising the fact that similar exists in Israel when it is not in the same league in reality.

I know you aren't so disingenuous, but the tweeter I think otherwise.

The Tweeter was Adam Levick who is a devout Jewish person fighting Israel's corner all the way.

Didge deliberatly tried to stir this up and twist his words on to me.

I have showed you my post and it's quite clear where I stand.

Here's Adam Levick's twitter account - have a read Les where he stands

https://twitter.com/adamlevick

Anyway, I'm just in and it's tea time so maybe see you later.

Clearly he is very pro-Israel. Kind of makes you wonder why he posted it. Enjoy your tea, I'll catch up tomorrow.

Cuchulain wrote:Oh and for the record.
I am not going to lose sleep if you do not trust me Irn.
I do not trust you with anything from running a business to how to care for the elderly.
I seriously would not trust you with anything.
So saying such things is playground antics.
You think it makes you look cool to say such a thing.
I do not know anyone here in real life, because at the end of the day its just a forum. I come on here to let off steam and its a great way to do that, because at the end of the day, I really do not know any of you.

Anyhow I thought I could smell a foul stench and at least I have found you are the source, so best I take my leave and go home.



Bye.

You,come here to "let off steam"???
That's totally the wrong reason to log on to a forum as you're already starting from a negative and tense place!

Well now we know why you act like such an arse towards people all the time!
Forums are the wrong place to come to "let off steam" they are supposed to be for polite and friendly debate.

It's no wonder you're rude to everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoints.

Seriously Didge. Perhaps you should only log in when you're calm and relaxed? It might make you a more tolerant poster.

Irn Bru wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Even still Irn, the fact is one or even a few groups of homophobic extremists in Israel doesn't equal the overwhelming majority being homophobic in Palestine. The twitter tweet is obviously trying to undermine Palestinian homophobia by raising the fact that similar exists in Israel when it is not in the same league in reality.

I know you aren't so disingenuous, but the tweeter I think otherwise.

The Tweeter was Adam Levick who is a devout Jewish person fighting Israel's corner all the way.

Didge deliberatly tried to stir this up and twist his words on to me.

I have showed you my post and it's quite clear where I stand.

Here's Adam Levick's twitter account - have a read Les where he stands

https://twitter.com/adamlevick

Anyway, I'm just in and it's tea time so maybe see you later.

Again it matters noit what or who he is, the statement was utterly poor, of which this sseems to be your only defence for your poor error also which you posted with intent to down play the West Bank and place onto an even par with Israel.
You posted his comments, that makes you as culpable

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Oh and for the record.
I am not going to lose sleep if you do not trust me Irn.
I do not trust you with anything from running a business to how to care for the elderly.
I seriously would not trust you with anything.
So saying such things is playground antics.
You think it makes you look cool to say such a thing.
I do not know anyone here in real life, because at the end of the day its just a forum. I come on here to let off steam and its a great way to do that, because at the end of the day, I really do not know any of you.

Anyhow I thought I could smell a foul stench and at least I have found you are the source, so best I take my leave and go home.



Bye.

You,come here to "let off steam"???
That's totally the wrong reason to log on to a forum as you're already starting from a negative and tense place!

Well now we know why you act like such an arse towards people all the time!
Forums are the wrong place to come to "let off steam" they are supposed to be for polite and friendly debate.

It's no wonder you're rude to everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoints.

Seriously Didge. Perhaps you should only log in when you're calm and relaxed? It might make you a more tolerant poster.

Actually its one the of the best places to let off steam is a place where there is confrontational issues.
You have no idea do you Eddie.
I am calm and relaxed when I log on like I say this is the best place to let off steam, espcially with work.
I would rather do that then let off steam at home, which many people take their problems from work, home with them.
So it shows you know once again very little as this is the best place to let off steam, espcially to where some of the posters are complete ignorant racist, homophobic idiots, or extreme left wing idiots

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:No he can read for himself all the posts, are you trying to say he cannot follow a thread now.
Talk about insultiung him further.

See you later

Just clarifying what happened rather than the distorted vesion you out up.

Oh yeah, forgot you clock out at 5 right enough lol

You know nothing of the events, so again you make me laugh showing the worst possible double standards.

You really are showing how poorly dishonest you are being now.

Love it

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Even still Irn, the fact is one or even a few groups of homophobic extremists in Israel doesn't equal the overwhelming majority being homophobic in Palestine. The twitter tweet is obviously trying to undermine Palestinian homophobia by raising the fact that similar exists in Israel when it is not in the same league in reality.

I know you aren't so disingenuous, but the tweeter I think otherwise.

The Tweeter was Adam Levick who is a devout Jewish person fighting Israel's corner all the way.

Didge deliberatly tried to stir this up and twist his words on to me.

I have showed you my post and it's quite clear where I stand.

Here's Adam Levick's twitter account - have a read Les where he stands

https://twitter.com/adamlevick

Anyway, I'm just in and it's tea time so maybe see you later.

Again it matters noit what or who he is, the statement was utterly poor, of which this sseems to be your only defence for your poor error also which you posted with intent to down play the West Bank and place onto an even par with Israel.
You posted his comments, that makes you as culpable

So now that your deceipt has been exposed by hacking out parts of my post that truly represented my views instead of you trying to pass on what he said to me, you're scurrying off on another track. Well I'll just post up his bio which tells you who he is....

Adam Levick serves as Managing Editor of CiF Watch - an affiliate of the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA). Before joining CiF Watch Adam Levick was a researcher at NGO Monitor, a Jerusalem based research institution that combats attempts by non-governmental organizations to delegitimize the State of Israel. Prior to working for NGO Monitor, Adam spent five years working in the Civil Rights Division at the national office of the Anti-Defamation League where he was responsible for analyzing and contextualizing anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in progressive journals and political blogs in the U.S. Adam is a member of the Online Antisemitism Working Group for the Global Forum to Combat Antisemitism and has published reports for the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs on the topics of: anti-Semitism in progressive blogs and anti-Semitic cartoons in progressive blogs. His essays have also appeared in the Jerusalem Post and the Guardian, as well as Elder of Ziyon, and the blog of the American Jewish Committee, Z Word. Adam holds a degree in Political Science and History from Temple University. Adam made Aliyah in 2009 and lives with his wife in Modi'in.

Well as he is very 'poor' with what he says then I suppose you won't be using any of the sources that he is responsible for then.

I did try to warn you that whatever you came back with at me would also apply to Adan Levick didn't I.

Sources Didge. Always check sources

This is what makes me laugh about you Irn, your understanding of anything is shockingly poor.
I think Churchill said some appalling things and also some great things. By your abusrd belief I should thus never use any saying by Churchill because of the bad ones.
That is why your reasoning is utterly stupid
So again I do not have to check any sources, what he said was utterly poor and that makes you as culpable for doing the same for trying to downplay anti-homosexuality in West Bank.

This is why the left get themselves souch into a muddle, they rely only on if someone says something bad, they take an illogica lbelief that everything else said is as bad.
I mean do you want me to pull up comments by countless left wing politicians and then for me to claim all they say must be wrong? Would it prove my point?
Of course not. Just except when you made an error and not poorly drag it out. What it shows is that I am the bette person than you and can condemn a pro-Israeli for a very poor comment.

Conclusion

You are talking gibberish and still trying to exuse your poor error. If you had any decency you would admit you are wrong and there is the problem. You have an inability to admit when you are wrong and your desperation here proves that

Cuchulain wrote:This is what makes me laugh about you Irn, your understanding of anything is shockingly poor.
I think Churchill said some appalling things and also some great things. By your abusrd belief I should thus never use any saying by Churchill because of the bad ones.
That is why your reasoning is utterly stupid
So again I do not have to check any sources, what he said was utterly poor and that makes you as culpable for doing the same for trying to downplay anti-homosexuality in West Bank.

This is why the left get themselves souch into a muddle, they rely only on if someone says something bad, they take an illogica lbelief that everything else said is as bad.
I mean do you want me to pull up comments by countless left wing politicians and then for me to claim all they say must be wrong? Would it prove my point?
Of course not. Just except when you made an error and not poorly drag it out. What it shows is that I am the bette person than you and can condemn a pro-Israeli for a very poor comment.

Conclusion

You are talking gibberish and still trying to exuse your poor error. If you had any decency you would admit you are wrong and there is the problem. You have an inability to admit when you are wrong and your desperation here proves that

Doing the back pedal boogie now. Let me remind you what you said ih your reply to my initial post

Easily have happened in Israel?
As if both nations are on a par with homophobia by saying "as easily". Unbelievable your hatred of the Jews is Irn
Only a Jew hating left wing extremist would try and deflect this onto Israel
Where they have near actual equality in Israel except for gay marriage to those living there?
They have gay pride?
Typical disingenuous left wing terrorist sympathizer.
Israel is the only country in the region that has real democracy and rights for people and at every turn you wish to see her defenseless and allow the Arabs to over run this nation and butcher the Jews.
What a dickhead to even attempt to turn something where homosexuals have no rights in Muslim countries in the Middle East onto Israel.
This is what you support when you back Hamas a Theocratic nightmare with little rights for people.
Israel may have its faults but at least it has democracy and rights for its citizens.

So what would Adam Levick know I did try to warn you what you are saying would apply to himk who's words I quoted belonged to but you wouldn't listen.

And you still haven't explained why you hacked out parts of my post but there again you don't have to. You did it to try and misrepresent my views and pass his comments on to me and that is obvious.

So next time I see you quoting some appaling views by someone I'll be hanging them on you.

You are not to be trusted on anything. You are a tawdry litle liar who even snitched on a gang which you said operated on Flap to launch attacks on members on here. You claimed you were used by these girls to take part in it which if true shows you up as a weak little man who allowed yourself to be controlled by a couple of women.

Cut out all the excuses and take your medicine like a man and just admit to what you tried to do here and I'll say no more about it.

All you are doing is trying to twist out of a poor comment.

Again I will repeat, what Adam Levick said in comparrison was poor.

You also went off this trying to claim the same, when it has no comparrison.

Can you prove there is a comparrison?

No

The factis you did post this off the back of your hatred for Israel there is no denying this thinking you were being smart by using someone who supports Israel.
It does not mean his comments were right does it?
This is why you are always so desperate.
We already know you hate Israel, so the evidence is damning.

You have used now that a persons comments on everythig they say are invalid if they say something poor which I easily dismissed as nonsense.
So you are saying that I would have to take all your views as invalid then, being as you are wrong in your comparrison here?
Is that what you wish me to do?

I have proven you just have no ability to admit your comment was poor.

Never seen so much ducking and diving to defend such a poor comment.

I cannot hack any of your posts, what you post stays there unless you edit yourself. I can however reply to parts which are relevant to the points I am making in my own posts as many people do. So that is just another poor attempt at deflecting.

Like I said you make my position easier due to the fact you cannot recognise right from wrong and this thread proves this.

All you have attempted to do is wangle out of it and deflect away from this with so many poor points.

Again grow some backbone and admit you are wrong.


He also makes another poor comment on tho tweets did you spot that also Irn, or did you deliberatly miss that part out?

Adam Levick ‏@adamlevick  Jul 1
@rossymo1 I don't think its true that all the gay leftsts love them, but many do. And, no, it doesn't make any sense.


https://twitter.com/adamlevick/status/616151891576274944


Oh well at least I can condemn poor comments even from a pro Israeli, that norammly makes many good points, but by your reasoning if you make a poor comment and genralizaton, I should dismiss all your commets.
Talk about an epic own goal

Didge wrote wrote:   All you are doing is trying to twist out of a poor comment.

Again I will repeat, what Adam Levick said in comparrison was poor.

You also went off this trying to claim the same, when it has no comparrison.

Can you prove there is a comparrison?

No

Oh but Didge old bean, I agree there never was a comparison because Adam Levick never said there was one and niether did I.  The only person claiming there was a comparison is you He was referring to the young Heredi community and only them. Christ it took a while to shake  that one out of you but you got there.

Didge wrote wrote:The factis you did post this off the back of your hatred for Israel there is no denying this thinking you were being smart by using someone who supports Israel.
It does not mean his comments were right does it?
This is why you are always so desperate.
We already know you hate Israel, so the evidence is damning.

So Adam Levick hates Israel then because it was him that said it. Are his comments about the young Heredi community wrong then? Does he hate Israel because it was him that said it. Do I really need a blackboard and chalk to make this obvious to you?

Didge wrote wrote:You have used now that a persons comments on everythig they say are invalid if they say something poor which I easily dismissed as nonsense.
So you are saying that I would have to take all your views as invalid then, being as you are wrong in your comparrison here?
Is that what you wish me to do?

I have proven you just have no ability to admit your comment was poor

Never seen so much ducking and diving to defend such a poor comment...

You can cite all his sources that you want which is why I said sources Didge, always check sources. He's an even bigger Zionist than you - you just didn't realise that when the Red mist came down and you flew off the handle

Didge wrote wrote:I cannot hack any of your posts, what you post stays there unless you edit yourself. I can however reply to parts which are relevant to the points I am making in my own posts as many people do. So that is just another poor attempt at deflecting.

Oh no Didge, what you quoted was not my full post. You cut out relevant parts of it and thats where you deceipt crept in because I said so much more than that. What a cop-out.

Didge wrote wrote:Like I said you make my position easier due to the fact you cannot recognise right from wrong and this thread proves this.

All you have attempted to do is wangle out of it and deflect away from this with so many poor points.

Again grow some backbone and admit you are wrong..

Oh I can recognise right from wrong all right and what you did was wrong in every way. You cut out part of my post to try and misrepresent my views and that is a no no. You are just a compulsive little liar who is not to be trusted on anything as seen by you snitching on people who made the mistake of trusting you. You claim you were used and manipulated by a group of women which if true shows you up as a snivelling weak little man with no backbone, no guts and no shame.  

Didge wrote wrote:He also makes another poor comment on tho tweets did you spot that also Irn, or did you deliberatly miss that part out?

Adam Levick ‏@adamlevick  Jul 1
@rossymo1 I don't think its true that all the gay leftsts love them, but many do. And, no, it doesn't make any sense.


https://twitter.com/adamlevick/status/616151891576274944
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And the relevance to that is what exactly?

Didge wrote wrote:Oh well at least I can condemn poor comments even from a pro Israeli, that norammly makes many good points, but by your reasoning if you make a poor comment and genralizaton, I should dismiss all your commets.
Talk about an epic own goal..

It's only a poor comment if he is wrong about the young Heredi community. Is he wrong about them? After all he lives in Israel and you don't so what would he know?
Now that is an own goal.

My advice to you Didge is to learn from your mistakes  - don't repeat them.

Point 1) More excuses

Point 2) Stilla poor comparrison because you never said anything about the young Heredi community and neither did Adam, allhe did was agree with that comment. You said in your original post it can easily happen within Israel. He never even said that so now you are lying, read your first post.

Point 3) More deflection, I know he is a Zionist, which still has nothig to do with the fact to compare Israel to the West bank with Homophobia. Where you said Israelhe claimed young Heredi community. So you stated two different things.

Point 4) I can post what I like, there is no rules and posters do this all the time to points relevant, never seen such desperation.

Point 5) Now you are having a hissy fitbecause you have been  caught outmaking a very incorrect comparrison and your source did not even say what you actually said, which is even worse and proves again you are incapable of admitting you are wrong. It also exposes the factyou are the one lying and proving your hate for Israel.

Point 6) All he did was agree with a comment. You never said the young Heredi community. You said itcould easily happen in some communities in Israel, plural, two different things, which is still down playing the problem of homophobia in the West Bank. Not only that you offer no evidence to show it is as comparable and can easily happen. You fucked up and cannotadmit your mistake because your intent was to donw play and wrongs within the West Bank. I mean the worst thing is how homosexuals in the West bank actually flee for protection Israel you blatantly ignore, You then go on aboutwhat I chose to repond to as if I have broken some mythical rule about what parts of a post I can reply to because you do not like it. Its utterly immature on your part and you being desperate when caught out

You have been Busted and no amount of excuses will getyou out of this, no matter how poorly you try.

Point 7) This is now countless posts where you cannot admit you made a poor error and one that not even Adam stated.

I suggest you read back on your own postand many up because it is clear you have no backbone and are an utter coward. We allnow know you have no ability to admit you are wrong and used a comment you never even actually said.