David Cameron says the public needs to be prepared for the fact that "many of those killed" in Tunisia were British.

!David Cameron has vowed that "terrorists will not succeed" as he spoke after the "savage" attacks in Tunisia, Kuwait and France.

The Prime Minister said the British public needs to be prepared for the fact that "many of those killed" in the Tunisian shooting were British.

"These savage terrorist attacks in Tunisia, Kuwait and France are a brutal and tragic reminder of the threat faced around the world from these evil terrorists," Mr Cameron said.

He spoke after a chairing the Government's Cobra meeting in response of the Tunisian attack, where at least 15 Britons were killed.

The number of British victims is expected to rise as officials have warned that a majority of 38 victims were from the UK."

From http://news.sky.com/story/1509356/david-cameron-terrorists-will-not-succeed


Isnt it perhaps time we isolated these pathetic and weak countries, abandoned them to their fate, stopped interfering

Stop all tourism to them

remove all aid

untill they clean up their act.

and YES I have tought about what that would lilely result in....

Have YOU thought about the advantages that would provide the west with.....

Hi Mate

The problem though now if we did stop interfering in these countries. Is that within a short time after all the celebration from within the Islamic world has settled down. When the numbers of fatalities will dramatically rise from the with drawl of support. You will see the birth of new conspiracy theories from the Islamic world, as many Muslims believe in conspiracy theories.


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/inside-jobs-and-israeli-stooges-why-Muslim-world-thrall-conspiracy-theories


What you would find next being claimed by the new conspiracies, is that now the west is either playing off Sunni and Shia Muslims nations and groups, against each other. So they will claim the west have planned this all out to leave the Muslims permanently weakened. Or they aid one group in secret in the attempt to wipe out one of these groups. Personally I think they would play the former, though there is more to throw in. Which all of them will still spout anger and hate at the west with these new invented claims. They do this because they are so blinded by their faith, they refuse to believe these are actual Muslims and Muslim groups killing. They think its all orchestrated by the West. we are really talking about a situation here where you are damned if you do and you are damned if you do not. Which means they will target the west with attacks still.

You are right about how we should pull out now though. We should cut our loses. Much of the Islamic world is not ready to move forward yet. As lets face it, if there was elections  in Saudi and Iran. You would not see democratic secular change of culture there, but more hardliners winning control. They condition their people with brainwashing from an early age and why a woman wearing the burka will see it as honour respect because this drivel has been drummed into her, for her entire life. She has no idea what being liberated means or equality

My fear now is that the Arab springs lost to many of the progressive Muslims to the violence. I came to early. It needed another 20 years to 25 to have worked properly. Over time with the access to a wealth of information, people see past the religious babble. What we are witnessing is something like our own 30 years war.

You are of course right in that visualisation, however consider this

if we pulled out...totally ISIS would, undoubtedly gain control

we would then have an actual entity i.e the sharia state of wherever, which we could legitimately carpet bomb into oblivion ......

mentor wrote:You are of course right in that visualisation, however consider this

if we pulled out...totally ISIS would, undoubtedly gain control

we would then have an actual entity i.e the sharia state of wherever, which we could legitimately carpet bomb into oblivion  ......

I agree with that but there needs to be a broader approach involving the Arab League countries. They'll realise that eventually otherwise they will go under as well

mentor wrote:You are of course right in that visualisation, however consider this

if we pulled out...totally ISIS would, undoubtedly gain control

we would then have an actual entity i.e the sharia state of wherever, which we could legitimately carpet bomb into oblivion  ......

Agreed mate, except for one thing and they are not stupid ISIS. They will do like North Korea does and keep countless artillery and rockets trained on Seoul. After the main reason of Nukes why it is not feasible to rid that regime. The secondary one ensures mass loss of life in a built up city not seen on a scale since Dresden. They have one of the largest artillery forces in the world. Even using all available military sources. Their guns are so numerous. They would not be able to prevent mass loss of life in the hundreds of thousand. If then ISIS gain control of Iran. They will end up with their smoking Gun. If not an atomic weapon, but enough to make plenty of dirty bombs . All no doubt suicide bombers in the waiting at strategic places around the world. The west would know Isis would now have the resources to make them, by taking out Iran. They now have the US at arms length from any attack to lay waste to the region controlled by Isis, unless they are willing to accept civilian casualties in the west Another worrying point would be if then China or Putin of Russia hinder any such move to attack because they start to trade with Isis.

As I say mate, I think we damned if we do and damned if we don't

You won't see it on the main news but:

Its all over the news its wonderful the way the locals have been helping and even taking the injured to hospital in their own cars .
No need to make out that the news is biased lol