Has the earths axis/rotation really shifted?

The Inuit elders seem to think so...


The elders maintain the Sun doesn't rise were it used too, they have longer day light to hunt and the Sun is higher than it used to be and warms up quicker than before.

The elders who were interviewed across the north all said the same thing, their sky has changed.

The stars the Sun and the Moon have all changed affecting the temperature, even affecting the way the wind blows, it is becoming increasingly hard to predict the weather, something that is a must on the Arctic.

The elders all agree, they believe the Earth has shifted, wobbled or tilted to the North.



Couple of comments...


Rick
said...

I have told my friends the exact same thing and they look at me like a nut case. The sun normally covers half of my garden area in the fall and early spring because of the trees with full sun in the summer, but for the last two years no sun hits the garden during this time of year. Secondly: the sun normally set in the east of my home but has been setting more northeast and the winds have been coming out of the north whereas they normally come out of the southwest and northwest. Maybe people will pay attention to what I have been saying after reading this article




DM Steck
said...

This summer for the first time ever when the sun rose, it let sunshine in through the north windows of my home. My house sits directly North in the front and never at sunrise has the sun shine through the windows in Arizona in North facing windows. As well the moon spins like a dial in the sky and a full moon never seems to rise in the same location from month to month.




http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/12/their-sky-has-changed-inuit-elders.html




I have also noticed that the sun is rising from a more northeasterly position and shines into my kitchen window in The morning (which is north facing).

measure the position of polaris (the north star ) then you will know....

and yes the plane of the N/S line gradually and constantly constantly changes due to a phenomena known as precession

"...The sun which should never be farther north than the tropic of Cancer in Mid Mexico or farther south than the Tropic of Capricorn in Mid Australia is now significantly beyond those points. 
The sun is now about 2000 miles too far north in the summer shining in our northern windows and too far south in the winter shining in their southern facing windows at sunrise and sunset. 

The orbit around the sun had possibly altered the direction of the angle 
observations and measurements of the abnormal position of the sun due to a significant shift of our axis in Dec 2004 is now verified.

However, it has also significantly shifted again in the past year for the first time since 2004. You can measure it for yourself when you see the sun position is too far north of your home in June (northern hemisphere) when it should never be north of the Tropic of Cancer and too far south in the winter..."




http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/02/earths-axis-has-shifted-and-the-sky-has-changed-whats-in-store-for-earth-expect-more-severe-weather-historic-snow-hurricanes-and-more-video-3114114.html

so you take as "evidence" the unverified "claims" of a religious evangelical site...



funking goood job we dont rely on you for any decisions....

bit like Kdubya innit..."I went to war cos god told me"  


find me some scientific evidence

as I told you go measure the position of polaris with respect to true north and how far above the horizon it is ...AT YOUR LOCATION

then compare this to the positions given in the various almanacs...


If what you were cliaming was actualy true it would be all over the media....

simply because any kid into astronomy could prove it with nothing more than a protractor and some star charts...

darknessss wrote:so you take as "evidence" the unverified "claims" of a religious evangelical site...



funking goood job we dont rely on you for any decisions....

bit like Kdubya innit..."I went to war cos god told me"  


find me some scientific evidence

as I told you go measure the position of polaris with respect to true north and how far above the horizon it is ...AT YOUR LOCATION

then compare this to the positions given in the various almanacs...


If what you were cliaming was actualy true it would be all over the media....

simply because any kid into astronomy could prove it with nothing more than a protractor and some star charts...

wow you are a bigot... while some people believed the earth traveled on the back of a great turtle or elephant or on the back of a man the bible said the earth was suspended in the heavens on nothing...

There's plenty about it all over the internet and the Inuit elders have certainly noticed something has changed...


I too have noticed the sun rising from a more northeast direction and signing into my north facing kitchen window.

Tommy Monk wrote:There's plenty about it all over the internet and the Inuit elders have certainly noticed something has changed...


I too have noticed the sun rising from a more northeast direction and signing into my north facing kitchen window.

dibs one night noticed a peculiarity in the moon and when we checked others had noticed it too it is quite odd times...

I wonder if this was the moon Dibs saw.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

darknessss wrote:so you take as "evidence" the unverified "claims" of a religious evangelical site...



funking goood job we dont rely on you for any decisions....

bit like Kdubya innit..."I went to war cos god told me"  


find me some scientific evidence

as I told you go measure the position of polaris with respect to true north and how far above the horizon it is ...AT YOUR LOCATION

then compare this to the positions given in the various almanacs...


If what you were cliaming was actualy true it would be all over the media....

simply because any kid into astronomy could prove it with nothing more than a protractor and some star charts...

wow you are a bigot... while some people believed the earth traveled on the back of a great turtle or elephant or on the back of a man the bible said the earth was suspended in the heavens on nothing...

and if you think that makes me a bigot HF then you are a flaming idiot......

hide your nonsense behind a viel of unchallengeable "righteousness"
not so long back the christians killed folks for believing the world wasnt flat

darknessss wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

wow you are a bigot... while some people believed the earth traveled on the back of a great turtle or elephant or on the back of a man the bible said the earth was suspended in the heavens on nothing...

and if you think that makes me a bigot HF then you are a flaming idiot......

hide your nonsense behind a viel of unchallengeable "righteousness"
not so long back the christians killed folks for believing the world wasnt flat

odd why would they teach that when the bible does not say it is flat, mind you the scientists said we couldn't go faster then 5 miles per hour without dying and i guess they would be like heir version of druids who blamed those kids stripping for upsetting the mountain god and creating an earth quake...

Yes HF, I have noticed the position of The moon being much different and varying.

Seems there is much talk of this on internet too...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

darknessss wrote:

and if you think that makes me a bigot HF then you are a flaming idiot......

hide your nonsense behind a viel of unchallengeable "righteousness"
not so long back the christians killed folks for believing the world wasnt flat

odd why would they teach that when the bible does not say it is flat, mind you the scientists said we couldn't go faster then 5 miles per hour without dying and i guess they would be like heir version of druids who blamed those kids stripping for upsetting the mountain god and creating an earth quake...

another HF lie....idiot

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes HF, I have noticed the position of The moon being much different and varying.

Seems there is much talk of this on internet too...

yeah we were out driving and dibs said look at the moon and the normal shapes that show up on the moon were completely the wrong way round, when we checked on the internet many people had reported seeing the very same thing and even other strange events..

it is all very strange...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

darknessss wrote:

and if you think that makes me a bigot HF then you are a flaming idiot......

hide your nonsense behind a viel of unchallengeable "righteousness"
not so long back the christians killed folks for believing the world wasnt flat

odd why would they teach that when the bible does not say it is flat, mind you the scientists said we couldn't go faster then 5 miles per hour without dying and i guess they would be like heir version of druids who blamed those kids stripping for upsetting the mountain god and creating an earth quake...

well HF...that was the "official "christian" position back then....and not a scientist in sight...so......

talk on the internet...where??

nut job sites and conspiracy theorist sites eh???

darknessss wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

odd why would they teach that when the bible does not say it is flat, mind you the scientists said we couldn't go faster then 5 miles per hour without dying and i guess they would be like heir version of druids who blamed those kids stripping for upsetting the mountain god and creating an earth quake...

well HF...that was the "official "christian" position back then....and not a scientist in sight...so......

but the bible did not say it so it as actually man's opinion...

darknessss wrote:talk on the internet...where??

nut job sites and conspiracy theorist sites eh???

oh you mean any site that you do not agree with, like national geographic, that is famous for it's nutjob ideas and conspiracy theories...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

darknessss wrote:

well HF...that was the "official "christian" position back then....and not a scientist in sight...so......

but the bible did not say it so it as actually man's opinion...

that matters not....the "faith" of the time proclaimed it so.....

moreover the bible ALSO says dragons chimera and other sundry mythological beasts existed too.........

Plenty of talk about it darkness, even on The BBC web site...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/23degrees/2011/03/can_an_earthquake_shift_the_ea.html



Do you think the Inuit elders are conspiracy nut web sites...?

Tommy Monk wrote:Plenty of talk about it darkness, even on The BBC web site...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/23degrees/2011/03/can_an_earthquake_shift_the_ea.html



Do you think the Inuit elders are conspiracy nut web sites...?

wow that's very informative Tommy thanks for that...

No worries, like I said, there's plenty of talk about it...

The short answer to this is yes. But the effects of such a shift are tiny. The Earth's tilt and rotational spin on its axis as it travels around the Sun causes our seasons. The earthquake in Japan moved the axis of rotation by around 16 cm. That might sound like a lot, but it's small compared to the size of the Earth. 1 degree change to the tilt of the axis of the Earth would mean moving it by around 110 km.



and....not said that movement hasnt happened.....

it has...over quite a long period and caused by precession....

try doing a bit of SCIENTIFIC research......

What scientists report

On April 20, 2011, CNN News reported that an earthquake moved the main island of Japan by 8 feet and shifted the Earth on its axis. They quoted Kenneth Hudnut, a geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey, as saying, "At this point, we know that one GPS station moved (8 feet), and we have seen a map from GSI (Geospatial Information Authority) in Japan showing the pattern of shift over a large area is consistent with about that much shift of the land mass."

They quoted the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology in Italy, that estimated that "the 8.9-magnitude quake shifted the planet on its axis by nearly 4 inches (10 centimeters)." Astronomers concur that there has not been a shift in the earth's rotational axis, but that there have been subtle polar shifts over the last ten years. This is a change in what is called the figure axis.

These changes are caused by continental drift, which has been shifting the location of the North Pole towards the south about 10 cms per year for the last 100 years. Teams at the University of Texas using NASA's GRACE satellite found that the North Pole's normal drifting to the south changed in 2005 and since then, the drift has been eastward. They detected a 1.2 meter change from 2005 to 2013. They conclude that the shift is caused by climate change caused by global warming.

Not that the shift is causing climate change...

Tommy Monk wrote:Not that the shift is causing climate change...

of course not....

Let's see, what would be more likely to cause a shift in the Earth's climate -- a 10-centimeter move along the entire axis of the planet four years ago, or over 5,000 metric tonnes of CO2 emitted in just one year by just one country (the U.S.)?

You two are so stupid I'm embarrassed to be in the same species as you.

And that causes arctic seals to get sunburn how exactly...?


And the Inuit elders are wrong about the position of The sun too...?


Or just 'inconvenient truth'...!?

why is someone stupid just because they have a different opinion ?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:why is someone stupid just because they have a different opinion ?

Because not all opinions are equally valid or justified, you know. Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't make you right.

I see a lot of this muddled thinking on the right -- well, I have the right to disagree with you, so you have to respect my opinion! No, your opinion is just an idea, and ideas can be debated and criticized.

I also find it dumbfounding that anybody would think that among the thousands of climate scientists, all over the world, not a single solitary one of them has thought to study the impact of small variations in the Earth's axis as a possible cause of climate change.

To even think they haven't considered this ... it's like peeling an onion of ignorance, with layer after layer revealing how much you don't know about what you're talking about.

It reminds me of when you tell someone your computer has been acting up and they say, "have you tried rebooting it?"

Yeah the idea an opinion cannot be called stupid is ridiculous when it comes to some views. If someone said that in spite of satellite photographs appearing to show otherwise, and circumnavigation, they believed the Earth was flat (because look at it duh...)- you would rightly say that is a stupid view from a likely stupid person. Some opinions are just idiotic.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:why is someone stupid just because they have a different opinion ?

Because not all opinions are equally valid or justified, you know. Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't make you right.

I see a lot of this muddled thinking on the right -- well, I have the right to disagree with you, so you have to respect my opinion! No, your opinion is just an idea, and ideas can be debated and criticized.

I also find it dumbfounding that anybody would think that among the thousands of climate scientists, all over the world, not a single solitary one of them has thought to study the impact of small variations in the Earth's axis as a possible cause of climate change.

To even think they haven't considered this ... it's like peeling an onion of ignorance, with layer after layer revealing how much you don't know about what you're talking about.

It reminds me of when you tell someone your computer has been acting up and they say, "have you tried rebooting it?"

And you reply "i cant, theres a power outage"

Doh!

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:why is someone stupid just because they have a different opinion ?

Because not all opinions are equally valid or justified, you know. Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't make you right.

I see a lot of this muddled thinking on the right -- well, I have the right to disagree with you, so you have to respect my opinion! No, your opinion is just an idea, and ideas can be debated and criticized.

I also find it dumbfounding that anybody would think that among the thousands of climate scientists, all over the world, not a single solitary one of them has thought to study the impact of small variations in the Earth's axis as a possible cause of climate change.

To even think they haven't considered this ... it's like peeling an onion of ignorance, with layer after layer revealing how much you don't know about what you're talking about.

It reminds me of when you tell someone your computer has been acting up and they say, "have you tried rebooting it?"

I disagree (stupid means lacking intelligence or common sense ) its insulting . Why not just say 'you know what i disagree with your idea and i think it means this '

I don't believe in climate change .

ps I don't think your opinion is right but i wouldn't say you're stupid .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Because not all opinions are equally valid or justified, you know. Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't make you right.

I see a lot of this muddled thinking on the right -- well, I have the right to disagree with you, so you have to respect my opinion! No, your opinion is just an idea, and ideas can be debated and criticized.

I also find it dumbfounding that anybody would think that among the thousands of climate scientists, all over the world, not a single solitary one of them has thought to study the impact of small variations in the Earth's axis as a possible cause of climate change.

To even think they haven't considered this ... it's like peeling an onion of ignorance, with layer after layer revealing how much you don't know about what you're talking about.

It reminds me of when you tell someone your computer has been acting up and they say, "have you tried rebooting it?"

I disagree (stupid means lacking intelligence or common sense ) its insulting . Why not just say 'you know what i disagree with your idea and i think it means this '

I don't believe in climate change .

ps I don't think your opinion is right but i wouldn't say you're stupid .

Well the definition of intelligence is:

the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Thus certain posters are lacking in intelligence when it comes to climate change.

Hence they are being very stupid on climate change.

OK, VOD, I'll bite -- why don't you accept the scientific community's conclusions on global warming and its cause?

I just don't .

And an answer to my question...?


How does a slight warming of our atmosphere cause seals to get sunburn...?

Or is it much more likely that the strength of The sun is increased causing both the seals starting to get sunburn as well as causing a slight warming of The planet?

Tommy Monk wrote:And an answer to my question...?


How does a slight warming of our atmosphere cause seals to get sunburn...?

Curiously, the symptoms seem to have diminished since the first sightings of sick seals and other animals began in mid-2011. And Bruce Wright, a scientist with the Aleutian Pribilof Islands Association, thinks he knows why.

Sunburn.

“I suspected right from the beginning it was UV radiation,” Wright said in an interview from his Anchorage-based office this week. “I was expecting there would be consequences for an ozone hole that had formed over the Arctic.”

Between March and April 2011, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) documented “unprecedented chemical ozone losses" in the Arctic. Less ozone means more of the sun's harmful ultraviolet rays reach Earth. Perhaps counter intuitively amid an era of climate change, it was cold temperatures in 2011 that lead to the UV increase. As NOAA explains, cold temperatures in the stratosphere allow polar stratospheric clouds to form, which create a good surface for chemical reactions to occur, namely the creation of chlorine, a gaseous agent capable of rapid ozone depletion.



Wright isn't suggesting all symptoms uncovered during necropsies of the affected seals are sun-burned related. Some of the animals were found to also have bleeding and swelling in their lungs, livers, lymph nodes and other internal organs. Scientists contemplated whether this was the result of secondary bacterial or fungal infections or depleted immune systems. Still, Wright questions the inter-relatedness of multiple stressors, including sun and UV radiation exposure, and other illness or nutritional deficiencies on the overall health of the animals.



http://www.adn.com/article/20130313/could-alaskas-mystery-seal-illness-be-arctic-sunburn

And the Inuit elders saying the position of The sun in The sky has changed?

Tommy Monk wrote:And the Inuit elders saying the position of The sun in The sky has changed?

This has been answered already.
Naza has replied back to the Inuit elders.

What?

Have they told the elders that they are wrong and They have just been imagining it...?

Tommy Monk wrote:What?

Have they told the elders that they are wrong and They have just been imagining it...?

Yes scientists have explained.

So What the Inuit people have seen with their OWN eyes is wrong...!?



I mean... with all that white snow and wilderness to look at all day, why would they take notice of The position of The sun being different...!?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:I just don't .

You don't accept it but you have no reason for this? That's ridiculous.

Tommy Monk wrote:So What the Inuit people have seen with their OWN eyes is wrong...!?



I mean... with all that white snow and wilderness to look at all day, why would they take notice of The position of The sun being different...!?

Where did the scientist say they were wrong in regards to the position of the sun?
Never mind Tommy Blooper I now its difficult for you to grasp and the answer has already been given on this page by the scientists.

Where is this elusive 'evidence' then dodge...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Where is this elusive 'evidence' then dodge...!?

On this thread Tommy Blooper.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:I just don't .

You don't accept it but you have no reason for this? That's ridiculous.

I have my reasons but i won't share them .

Once again I've had to use my own time to track down the truth and rebut the casual lies of the idiotic right.

If you want to know what the Inuit people think about what's going on with climate change, and how it's affecting every aspect of their lives, here's a great video with additional resources: http://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/ipy07.sci.ess.watcyc.inuitobserv/inuit-observations-of-climate-change/

They don't blame "changes in the sky," they blame the lack of ice and shrinking habitats for their game animals.

Getting pretty sick of having to run down answers to idiotic claims. Especially since the people who made them are just going to go right on making them as if they hadn't been soundly refuted.