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Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:46 am
JERUSALEM (AP) — French telecom giant Orange SA's declaration that it wants to cut business ties with Israel has given a boost to the burgeoning anti-Israel boycott movement while also drawing a sharp rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday.
The move bodes poorly for Israel at a time of growing international anger over its West Bank settlements and could potentially put almost any Israeli company in the crosshairs of the boycott campaign. It also has illustrated just how deeply intertwined Israeli settlements are with the rest of the country.
Netanyahu responded angrily on Thursday, calling on "the French government to publicly repudiate the miserable statement and miserable action by a company that is under its partial ownership."
The remarks came a day after Orange's chief executive Stephane Richard said he would end his company's relationship with Partner Communications Ltd. "tomorrow" if he could, but that he was bound by a contract for the time being. He cited the company's sensitivity to Arab countries. Partner licenses the Orange brand name in Israel.
Richard's announcement caused uproar in Israel.
Pro-Palestinian activists in France have been pushing for Orange to end the relationship over Partner's activities in Israeli settlements. The settlements, built on land the Palestinians want for a future state, are seen as illegitimate by the international community.
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http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-minister-says-orange-ceo-fired-113158282.html
Brilliant!
The move bodes poorly for Israel at a time of growing international anger over its West Bank settlements and could potentially put almost any Israeli company in the crosshairs of the boycott campaign. It also has illustrated just how deeply intertwined Israeli settlements are with the rest of the country.
Netanyahu responded angrily on Thursday, calling on "the French government to publicly repudiate the miserable statement and miserable action by a company that is under its partial ownership."
The remarks came a day after Orange's chief executive Stephane Richard said he would end his company's relationship with Partner Communications Ltd. "tomorrow" if he could, but that he was bound by a contract for the time being. He cited the company's sensitivity to Arab countries. Partner licenses the Orange brand name in Israel.
Richard's announcement caused uproar in Israel.
Pro-Palestinian activists in France have been pushing for Orange to end the relationship over Partner's activities in Israeli settlements. The settlements, built on land the Palestinians want for a future state, are seen as illegitimate by the international community.
More at:
http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-minister-says-orange-ceo-fired-113158282.html
Brilliant!
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Irn Bru Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:53 am
It's all so predicatble isn't it. Alon Ben Meir wrote an article on what was likely to happen with the election of the new Israeli government and Quill wrote a fantastic piece on it as well just a few weeks ago.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:32 am
I think the turning point was just before the election when Netanyahu said he didn't think Palestine should have a state, Israel should rule it all. ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-elections-benjamin-netanyahu-says-there-will-be-no-palestinian-state-if-voters-back-him-10111958.html ) He tried going back after the election, but it was obviously that his statement was what he actually meant. Then he has a government with so many ministers have called for Palestine to destroyed and everyone killed. The world is outraged and have seen the Israeli government for what it really is.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:24 am
So they are thus making all Israeli's culpable whether Jew, Ethiopian, Druze, Arab etc.
You target those responsible, not make all people culpable for wrongs done by some.
1. The French telecom giant, Orange, severed ties with its Israeli subsidiary after CEO Stephane Richard provoked a firestorm by saying he’d cut ties with Israel “tomorrow” if not for the huge penalties that would be incurred.
Israeli officials demanded the French government denounce Richard’s boycott call. Partner Communications Ltd, which operates Orange’s Israeli franchise, is weighing legal action. Partner’s owner, Haim Saban spoke out, while employees in Rosh HaAyin turned Orange blue and white.
See HonestReporting’s take: Orange CEO: We’d Leave Israel “Tomorrow.”
UPDATE: After this was posted, Orange announced it will sever ties with its Israeli subsidiary.
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It’s not so easy to launch a boycott of Israel, according to Orange CEO Stephane Richard, who told reporters in Egypt this week that his company was looking for ways to leave Israel but the idea was simply not viable at present.
“I am ready to abandon this tomorrow morning, but the point is that I want to secure the legal risk for the company,” Richard said. “I want to terminate this, once again, but I don’t want to expose Orange to a level of risk and of penalties that could be really sizeable for the company.”
Orange remains under contract with the Israeli cellular company Partner, which operates under the Orange brand. Partner is an Israeli company owned by Haim Saban, and operates independently. The global giant, Orange, has been criticized in recent months by European NGOs because Partner provides cellular service to Israelis living over the Green Line.
Richard’s outrageous comments reflect the growing pressure from Europe over Israeli activity over the Green Line and lack of progress in the peace process. But few European CEOs have been as stark in their disdain for Israel, particularly while continuing to profit from Israeli citizens.
Richard, however, implied that his position was driven by “sensitivities” in the Arab world and pressure from Arab states. “I know that it is a sensitive issue here in Egypt, but not only in Egypt… We want to be one of the trustful partners of all Arab countries,” he said.
Richard said the cost of leaving could go as high as hundreds of millions of dollars if the dispute hits the courts. “Sorry to say, but a dispute with a partner when you have zero legal position in Israeli courts is not something that I would recommend for my company,” Richard said.
Despite Richard’s apparent caution, Orange may still find itself in court due to potential damage caused by Richard’s comments. According to the Israeli financial news site, Globes, Partner executives are currently considering their options:
Haaretz columnist Anshel Pfeffer noted that Orange did not have much room to claim the moral high ground:
Education Minister Naftali Bennett called on Israelis to avoid a mass cancelation of contracts with Partner in order to boycott Orange. “Partner is the victim, not the aggressor,” Bennett said.
The entire episode, however, is a stark reminder of Israel’s precarious position in global finance and its increasingly boycott-proof economy. Orange will eventually succumb to foreign pressure and exit Israel, but not without leaving its abandoned affiliate richer and with more options for the future.
Featured image: CC BY-NC Flavio~ via flickr with modifications by HonestReporting
http://honestreporting.com/idns-06042015-french-telecom/
You target those responsible, not make all people culpable for wrongs done by some.
1. The French telecom giant, Orange, severed ties with its Israeli subsidiary after CEO Stephane Richard provoked a firestorm by saying he’d cut ties with Israel “tomorrow” if not for the huge penalties that would be incurred.
Israeli officials demanded the French government denounce Richard’s boycott call. Partner Communications Ltd, which operates Orange’s Israeli franchise, is weighing legal action. Partner’s owner, Haim Saban spoke out, while employees in Rosh HaAyin turned Orange blue and white.
See HonestReporting’s take: Orange CEO: We’d Leave Israel “Tomorrow.”
UPDATE: After this was posted, Orange announced it will sever ties with its Israeli subsidiary.
* * *
It’s not so easy to launch a boycott of Israel, according to Orange CEO Stephane Richard, who told reporters in Egypt this week that his company was looking for ways to leave Israel but the idea was simply not viable at present.
“I am ready to abandon this tomorrow morning, but the point is that I want to secure the legal risk for the company,” Richard said. “I want to terminate this, once again, but I don’t want to expose Orange to a level of risk and of penalties that could be really sizeable for the company.”
Orange remains under contract with the Israeli cellular company Partner, which operates under the Orange brand. Partner is an Israeli company owned by Haim Saban, and operates independently. The global giant, Orange, has been criticized in recent months by European NGOs because Partner provides cellular service to Israelis living over the Green Line.
Richard’s outrageous comments reflect the growing pressure from Europe over Israeli activity over the Green Line and lack of progress in the peace process. But few European CEOs have been as stark in their disdain for Israel, particularly while continuing to profit from Israeli citizens.
Richard, however, implied that his position was driven by “sensitivities” in the Arab world and pressure from Arab states. “I know that it is a sensitive issue here in Egypt, but not only in Egypt… We want to be one of the trustful partners of all Arab countries,” he said.
Richard said the cost of leaving could go as high as hundreds of millions of dollars if the dispute hits the courts. “Sorry to say, but a dispute with a partner when you have zero legal position in Israeli courts is not something that I would recommend for my company,” Richard said.
Despite Richard’s apparent caution, Orange may still find itself in court due to potential damage caused by Richard’s comments. According to the Israeli financial news site, Globes, Partner executives are currently considering their options:
Meanwhile, Israeli political figures have expressed outrage over Richard’s comments. Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid called it “hypocrisy of the highest order,” especially since “I don’t remember him having a problem making money here and profiting from Israeli citizens.”It is not clear whether the Orange brand has any advantages for Partner and especially after Richard’s boycott comments the brand might now be a burden. Partner is also expected to assess the damage in the coming days and decide if there is a sufficient case to sue Richard for damages.
Haaretz columnist Anshel Pfeffer noted that Orange did not have much room to claim the moral high ground:
Education Minister Naftali Bennett called on Israelis to avoid a mass cancelation of contracts with Partner in order to boycott Orange. “Partner is the victim, not the aggressor,” Bennett said.
The entire episode, however, is a stark reminder of Israel’s precarious position in global finance and its increasingly boycott-proof economy. Orange will eventually succumb to foreign pressure and exit Israel, but not without leaving its abandoned affiliate richer and with more options for the future.
Featured image: CC BY-NC Flavio~ via flickr with modifications by HonestReporting
http://honestreporting.com/idns-06042015-french-telecom/
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:41 am
It's petty , but Israel can easily survive alone they are prosperous and always will be , its childish because Israel won't give in to Palestine .
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Original Quill Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:00 pm
Vicar of Dibley wrote:It's petty , but Israel can easily survive alone they are prosperous and always will be , its childish because Israel won't give in to Palestine .
It's not about strength, VOD. Israel was playing the US: Israel had claimed to support a two-state solution all along, and the US invested all its hopes and commitments in that two-state solution.
In the waning days of the election campaign Netanyahu came clean and admitted that the two-state solution was all a hoax. Now we (in the US) like Israel, but you know me...with me, it's all about the endgame. So Israel shows America the two-state solution and calls it an endgame--and says trust me!. Then they yank the rug out at the last minute, and with the toothy grin of a used car salesman say, meh...probably just needs a new battery..
And it's not about giving in to Palestine, its about pissing off a sizable portion of Israel's major benefactor: the American left...which is largely made up of, and led by American Jews. Now, the American hopes have been shown to be toys in the hands of Israel.
But remember I said hopes and commitments. So....perhaps no more toys for Israel. That goes for F-18s, missile systems and other fun things in the toy box.
Netanyahu bet on the American Right. Have you seen the Republican clowns running for president in 2016? Bad bet. With the Democrats in power for eight more years, looks like Israel had better come up with another endgame...and a little mia culpa wouldn't hurt.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:18 pm
Original Quill wrote:Vicar of Dibley wrote:It's petty , but Israel can easily survive alone they are prosperous and always will be , its childish because Israel won't give in to Palestine .
It's not about strength, VOD. Israel was playing the US: Israel had claimed to support a two-state solution all along, and the US invested all its hopes and commitments in that two-state solution.
In the waning days of the election campaign Netanyahu came clean and admitted that the two-state solution was all a hoax. Now we (in the US) like Israel, but you know me...with me, it's all about the endgame. So Israel shows America the two-state solution and calls it an endgame--and says trust me!. Then they yank the rug out at the last minute, and with the toothy grin of a used car salesman say, meh...probably just needs a new battery..
And it's not about giving in to Palestine, its about pissing off a sizable portion of Israel's major benefactor: the American left...which is largely made up of, and led by American Jews. Now, the American hopes have been shown to be toys in the hands of Israel.
But remember I said hopes and commitments. So....perhaps no more toys for Israel. That goes for F-18s, missile systems and other fun things in the toy box.
Netanyahu bet on the American Right. Have you seen the Republican clowns running for president in 2016? Bad bet. With the Democrats in power for eight more years, looks like Israel had better come up with another endgame...and a little mia culpa wouldn't hurt.
Wrong.
The yanks have just signed a new 1.9 billion dollars arms deal with Israel.
The US would never stop supporting Israel, its the one nation they can reply on in the whole region.
Second everyone makes so much on Netanyahu, who in reality only said what he did because he feared he would lose the election and try to stoke up a view of fear in the hope people would vote for him.
If you wanna go off people not doing deals and being offered them, then using your methodology, there would be no point even negotiating with Fatah or Hamas.
They rejected the partition plan.
The Arabs invaded Israel and again and again and Israel won 3 times. Normally a conqueror can cede lands to them, but resolution 242 was introduced and guess who rejected this resolution?
That is right the PLO/Fatah. Since then there has been two further occasions to form a nation of which each time they reject. They refuse to provide homes for refugees, giving them false belief they will return, because they want to use them to continue the conflict with Israel.
So there will get plenty of Toys, the US is not stupid, it will with one hand tame Iran with pleasantries and with the other ensure Israel is secure.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Original Quill Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:23 pm
Didge wrote:Wrong.
The yanks have just signed a new 1.9 billion dollars arms deal with Israel.
The US would never stop supporting Israel, its the one nation they can reply on in the whole region.
Erm...Congress has yet to approve of that. Good luck with an entirely Republican, do-nothing Congress that can't even renew section 215 of the Patriot Act.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Original Quill Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:27 pm
Didge wrote:Second everyone makes so much on Netanyahu, who in reality only said what he did because he feared he would lose the election and try to stoke up a view of fear in the hope people would vote for him.
Proving his word is not to be trusted.
In truth, I'm a lot less concerned about Netanyahu than I am about a majority of Israel that was persuaded by a desire to steal land from Palestinians and tell the US to fook-off.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:31 pm
Original Quill wrote:Didge wrote:Second everyone makes so much on Netanyahu, who in reality only said what he did because he feared he would lose the election and try to stoke up a view of fear in the hope people would vote for him.
Proving his word is not to be trusted.
In truth, I'm a lot less concerned about Netanyahu than I am about a majority of Israel that was persuaded by a desire to steal land from Palestinians and tell the US to fook-off.
If that is your argument then the peace process is doomed from the start as you might want to question those of Hamas and Fatah being trusted. Its no good pointing one finger at one person Quill. The majority of Israel back a two state solution. You cannot steal land if that land is disputed. Do not get me wrong the settlements are wrong, but you are making all Israelis culpable for this. You are not making the Palestinians responsible for the failings and extremism of both Fatah and Hams. Its a very weak argument Quill you present to make all Israeli's culpable.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:34 pm
Original Quill wrote:Vicar of Dibley wrote:It's petty , but Israel can easily survive alone they are prosperous and always will be , its childish because Israel won't give in to Palestine .
It's not about strength, VOD. Israel was playing the US: Israel had claimed to support a two-state solution all along, and the US invested all its hopes and commitments in that two-state solution.
In the waning days of the election campaign Netanyahu came clean and admitted that the two-state solution was all a hoax. Now we (in the US) like Israel, but you know me...with me, it's all about the endgame. So Israel shows America the two-state solution and calls it an endgame--and says trust me!. Then they yank the rug out at the last minute, and with the toothy grin of a used car salesman say, meh...probably just needs a new battery..
And it's not about giving in to Palestine, its about pissing off a sizable portion of Israel's major benefactor: the American left...which is largely made up of, and led by American Jews. Now, the American hopes have been shown to be toys in the hands of Israel.
But remember I said hopes and commitments. So....perhaps no more toys for Israel. That goes for F-18s, missile systems and other fun things in the toy box.
Netanyahu bet on the American Right. Have you seen the Republican clowns running for president in 2016? Bad bet. With the Democrats in power for eight more years, looks like Israel had better come up with another endgame...and a little mia culpa wouldn't hurt.
I hold my hands up and admit i don't know much about politics so i really cannot comment. I have Jewish roots my mum is a Jew so i guess my passion for Israel is in my blood .
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by Original Quill Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:35 pm
Didge wrote:So there will get plenty of Toys, the US is not stupid, it will with one hand tame Iran with pleasantries and with the other ensure Israel is secure.
The US has broader interests than Israel. If Israel wants to toss it's good relationship with America, well...it is what it is.
Good-bye...been sweet knowin' ya. Rest assured, America sure as sheet ain't putting any boots on the ground over there in the next 50-years. And the USAF? Special forces? Ground-spotters? Wait 'til the next beheading.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:39 pm
Original Quill wrote:Didge wrote:So there will get plenty of Toys, the US is not stupid, it will with one hand tame Iran with pleasantries and with the other ensure Israel is secure.
The US has broader interests than Israel. If Israel wants to toss it's good relationship with America, well...it is what it is.
Good-bye...been sweet knowin' ya. Rest assured, America sure as sheet ain't putting any boots on the ground over there in the next 50-years. And the USAF? Special forces? Ground-spotters? Wait 'til the next beheading.
So one person in Netanyahu is going to ruin relationships that bad?
I do not think so, he is an idiot granted,the relationships have been far more strained in the past and pulled through. Take 1975 for example.
Israel is the one force the US can reply on to take on ISIS if all gos tits up for the Arab nations
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by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:41 pm
The Reassessment Crisis
In early 1975, the Israeli government turned down a US initiative for further redeployment in Sinai. President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by sending Prime Minister Rabin a letter stating that Israeli intransigence has complicated US worldwide interests, and therefore the administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted. The reassessment crisis came to an end with the Israeli-Egyptian disengagement of forces agreement of 4 September 1975.
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by Original Quill Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:00 am
Didge wrote:So one person in Netanyahu is going to ruin relationships that bad?
I do not think so, he is an idiot granted,the relationships have been far more strained in the past and pulled through.
I repeat, it's not about Netanyahu so much as it is about a electoral population that buys into that kind of duplicity. It's not so much that that the US abandons Israel, but we're just not into what they are selling anymore.
Didge wrote:Take 1975 for example.
Israel is the one force the US can reply on to take on ISIS if all gos tits up for the Arab nations
What makes you think that ISIS--the Sunnis--are the bad guys? Why are you so sure that the US is anti-Sunni, and pro-Shi'ite (Iran)? The only reason that Bush/Cheney turned to the Shi'ites (speaking of Nouri al-Maliki's government) was because they were the ones opposing Saddam, a Sunni. That was a short-term solution that offers no endgame whatsoever, which should be obvious.
Or, should we be opposed to both Sunnis and the Shi'ia...in which case what are we doing there in the first place? Back to the point I always begin with whenever anyone wants us to go to war in the Middle East: It's none of our business. Once they settle their differences, then they can come to us and we'll decide if we like what is left over...or, that is to say, if we'll accept either of them as friends.
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by Guest Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:25 am
Point 1) Absurd. So because the people of the UK voted for the Labour party before makes them complicit to the Ira war? Don't be so utterly idiotic. People voted for a variety of parties which would still lead back to some voting for Netanyahu. You are making the daftest racist argument possible making all Israeli's culpable based off who some vote for. Even worse if we were to use your daft methodology, would make the vast majority of the people of Gaza complicit to terrorism by voting in Hamas through elections. That of course you easily ignore and of which makes your whole argument absurd.
Point 2) Even more idiotic, you want to ask what is wrong with ISIS? Seriously, your argument is getting more desperate by the minute Quill. This is not about the Sunni sect of Islam, this is about where Israel has had far worse relations with the US in the past and how they have been overcome and the US is still very strong in their support of Israel today. So in answer to your irrelevant question on Sunni and Shia, we should be opposed to neither sets of people, unless of those using violence through extremism. You are deflecting and inventing nonsense into the debate now.
Point 2) Even more idiotic, you want to ask what is wrong with ISIS? Seriously, your argument is getting more desperate by the minute Quill. This is not about the Sunni sect of Islam, this is about where Israel has had far worse relations with the US in the past and how they have been overcome and the US is still very strong in their support of Israel today. So in answer to your irrelevant question on Sunni and Shia, we should be opposed to neither sets of people, unless of those using violence through extremism. You are deflecting and inventing nonsense into the debate now.
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by Original Quill Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:41 pm
Belatucadros wrote:Point 1) Absurd. So because the people of the UK voted for the Labour party before makes them complicit to the Ira war? Don't be so utterly idiotic. People voted for a variety of parties which would still lead back to some voting for Netanyahu. You are making the daftest racist argument possible making all Israeli's culpable based off who some vote for. Even worse if we were to use your daft methodology, would make the vast majority of the people of Gaza complicit to terrorism by voting in Hamas through elections. That of course you easily ignore and of which makes your whole argument absurd.
What--a general election by the majority of the population of a country is sufficient to elect the leaders of that country, but not sufficient to judge the will of those people? The electorate of Israel responded with an 'aye-vote' to an open declaration that the two-state solution was a fraud all along. At some point you have got to let the facts speak for themselves.
Belatucadros wrote:Point 2) Even more idiotic, you want to ask what is wrong with ISIS? Seriously, your argument is getting more desperate by the minute Quill.
You are responding with incredulity, which is usually what happens when truth comes through with surprising, but unassailable clarity.
Belatucadros wrote:This is not about the Sunni sect of Islam, this is about where Israel has had far worse relations with the US in the past and how they have been overcome and the US is still very strong in their support of Israel today. So in answer to your irrelevant question on Sunni and Shia, we should be opposed to neither sets of people, unless of those using violence through extremism. You are deflecting and inventing nonsense into the debate now.
We get nowhere by addressing the symptoms, and not the real causes. Violence and extremism are expected in revolutions. Ours' had it. We started this whole Iraq disruption with violence and mendacity. Addressing violence today--particularly when we caused it--will get one nowhere.
At first we saw beheadings on TV, and we were chalking it up to petulant, if extremist sub-groups. Then there were real defeats of the US propped-up government of Iraq, and we became nervous about the measures we left in place, as well as the military hardware we left behind. Now, there is a real possibility of a regime change, and we can no longer find excuses in our own missteps and political maneuverings at home. Maybe it's time to realize it is not about us. Maybe it's time we take this thing seriously...not as a chance for some über-masculine display of 'kick-ass', but as a legitimate political transition.
If that is the case, we might start by looking at the real history if Iraq and the Levant. I don't mean Churchill and the Cairo Conference of 1921, but the real history of these people. Small wonder that their religion has so much influence in their political life--their political lives being consumed by what the British and Americans want over the past 80-years, and not of their own making.
And that brings us right to the doorstep of the Sunni-Shi'ia civil war, which is the real thing that is really going on here.
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:55 pm
So no where did you address my points and you have now steered the debate away from Israel to now Ira, ISIS. Again if you cannot comprehend what is utterly wrong with their beliefs, you need have a medical incase you are losing your mind.
Again this narrow vote which Netanyahu's party never ever had a majority and could only form a government with other parties, shows your reasoning is further absurd. You are basing the view they only voted for him because of a poor view he made just before the election, as if now they are all supporting this, which is easily dismissed based off polls showing a majority wanting to two state solution. That alone shows why to make poor assumptions as you are doing in regards to who people voted for is very flawed.
Again all this is irrelevant, as he US will never allow Israel to be undefended, of which is the main point being addressed
So no need for me to saying anything more on this thread.
Cheers Quill and have a good day
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Again this narrow vote which Netanyahu's party never ever had a majority and could only form a government with other parties, shows your reasoning is further absurd. You are basing the view they only voted for him because of a poor view he made just before the election, as if now they are all supporting this, which is easily dismissed based off polls showing a majority wanting to two state solution. That alone shows why to make poor assumptions as you are doing in regards to who people voted for is very flawed.
Again all this is irrelevant, as he US will never allow Israel to be undefended, of which is the main point being addressed
So no need for me to saying anything more on this thread.
Cheers Quill and have a good day
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Original Quill Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:08 pm
Didge wrote:So no where did you address my points and you have now steered the debate away from Israel to now Ira, ISIS. Again if you cannot comprehend what is utterly wrong with their beliefs, you need have a medical incase you are losing your mind.
I think you are having a hard time wrapping your head around the bigger picture. It's no longer about Israel. Israel is in the picture, but as a kind of third-front. Its existence is still a by-product--if indirectly--of the Cairo Conference of 1921. Israel exists because we put her there, and continue to prop her up.
Her land-grabbing efforts recently suggest that she is no longer accepting, nor in need of our protection. She's on her own, out and about with her own agenda.
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by Original Quill Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:27 pm
Didge wrote:Again this narrow vote which Netanyahu's party never ever had a majority and could only form a government with other parties, shows your reasoning is further absurd. You are basing the view they only voted for him because of a poor view he made just before the election, as if now they are all supporting this, which is easily dismissed based off polls showing a majority wanting to two state solution. That alone shows why to make poor assumptions as you are doing in regards to who people voted for is very flawed.
Politics is only tangentially about 'the vote' and what constitutes a 'majority'. Politics is about power. So let's bring this down to earth: those who achieved power in Israel in March--however done--also champion a land-grab known as rejection of the two-state solution.
We, the powerful left in America, don't happen to agree with such a land-grab. We question its equity and we question its integrity. More importantly, it lays waste to our own hopes for a peaceful resolution to the Jewish-Islamic antipathy in the Middle East.
But none of this changes our warm feelings for the people of Israel, nor for the rich history and tradition of that grand nation. We just feel that their recent actions have signaled a departure from our out-stretched, protective wing. They no longer need us; and like proud parents we witness their departure with a mix of tears, but also fondness and pride.
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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:04 am
Richard: Orange 'in Israel to stay'
CEO of French telecom giant tells reporters that he regrets 'controversy'; Partner: Richard's apologies are a 'smoke cloud' to sway public opinion.
The chairman of Orange told AFP on Saturday that he "sincerely" regretted a "controversy" over the French telecom group's relations with Israel, saying, the Orange Group "is in Israel to stay."
Stephane Richard denied that the company's decision to end its brand-licensing agreement with Partner, Israel's second largest mobile operator, "as soon as possible from a contractual point of view," in any way implied that Orange was seeking to withdraw from the Jewish state.
Partner responded to Richard's repeated apologies on Saturday night with sharp criticism for the CEO's "smoke cloud" which Partner said was only an attempt to turn public opinion back in his favor.
"His offensive statements, apologies, vague wording and evasiveness continue to cause enormous damage to the Orange brand in Israel and harm Israeli citizens," said the Israeli company.
Richard's new comments came just two days after Orange announced its intentions to end its deal with partner, stating that the company no longer wishes to allow the use of its brand in countries where it doesn't provide direct service.
The Orange told Ynet Friday that Orange is involved in other capacities in Israel. "We have people in Israel; we are very happy to be in Israel. We have a lot of links and relationships of any kind you can imagine in Israel."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4665478,00.html
CEO of French telecom giant tells reporters that he regrets 'controversy'; Partner: Richard's apologies are a 'smoke cloud' to sway public opinion.
The chairman of Orange told AFP on Saturday that he "sincerely" regretted a "controversy" over the French telecom group's relations with Israel, saying, the Orange Group "is in Israel to stay."
Stephane Richard denied that the company's decision to end its brand-licensing agreement with Partner, Israel's second largest mobile operator, "as soon as possible from a contractual point of view," in any way implied that Orange was seeking to withdraw from the Jewish state.
Partner responded to Richard's repeated apologies on Saturday night with sharp criticism for the CEO's "smoke cloud" which Partner said was only an attempt to turn public opinion back in his favor.
"His offensive statements, apologies, vague wording and evasiveness continue to cause enormous damage to the Orange brand in Israel and harm Israeli citizens," said the Israeli company.
Richard's new comments came just two days after Orange announced its intentions to end its deal with partner, stating that the company no longer wishes to allow the use of its brand in countries where it doesn't provide direct service.
The Orange told Ynet Friday that Orange is involved in other capacities in Israel. "We have people in Israel; we are very happy to be in Israel. We have a lot of links and relationships of any kind you can imagine in Israel."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4665478,00.html
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Re: Orange's pullout from Israel gives lift to boycott movement
by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:08 am
This week the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law published my new research paper, “Economic Dealings With Occupied Territories.”
The gist (from the abstract):
The paper is published at an opportune time. On Wednesday the CEO of the French telecom firm Orange announced that he sought to “drop” his business in Israel, done through an Israeli subsidiary. Speaking at a meeting in Cairo, he emphasized that this was action was mostly to win the “trust” of Arab countries. But there was also a suggestion that this is because the Israeli affiliate has some cellular antennae across the Green Line.
The French Ambassador to the U.S., (and formerly Israel), defended the Orange CEO’s statement on Twitter:‘
“4th Geneva convention : settlement policy in occupied territories is illegal. It is illegal to contribute to it in any way.”
That statement is entirely baseless. Even if settlements are illegal, there is no ban on business in the territories, or with settlers. Certainly there is no tertiary obligation to not do business with businesses that have some tangential business in such territory. All this is demonstrated extensively in my new paper, some of which I tried to share with Amb. Araud.
Perhaps the most instructive aspect of this was the reaction of Amb. Araud, when I pointed out to him that his legal claim is baseless, and squarely contradicted by France’s own courts in recent decisions involving Israel, which held the Geneva Conventions flatly inapplicable to private companies. It is also contradicted by the opinions the U.N. Security Council Legal Advisor, the EU Parliament’s legal advisor, and the U.K. Supreme Court, and more. (All these are described at length in my new paper.)
The Orange incident, and the Ambassador’s legal claim, are also bad news for a number of French companies, like the oil giant Total, which is active in Moroccan-occupied Western Sahara against the vociferous protests of the indigenous Sawahari people. (There are many other examples, like Michelin in Turkish-occupied Cyprus.) The French government has never criticized any of these controversial activities in any way. But if the Ambassador’s legal claim is right, he has provided the basis for war crimes prosecutions of France’s leading executives.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/06/04/business-with-occupied-territories-and-the-french-approach-to-international-law/
The gist (from the abstract):
This Article conducts a comprehensive survey of the relevant current state practice and judicial precedent regarding occupied territories, aside from the well-examined case of Israel. Much of this practice has never been considered by scholars, let alone examined holistically. Clear patterns emerge when state practice is examined globally, and the principles they suggest are in turn reaffirmed by recent path-breaking decisions of European national courts.
State practice and decisions of important national courts support a fully permissive approach to economic dealings by third-party states or nationals in territories under prolonged occupation or illegal annexation. There is no obligation on third-party states to block such activity, or to insist on particular language on product labels, or to ensure that their foreign aid funds do not cross into occupied territory.
The paper is published at an opportune time. On Wednesday the CEO of the French telecom firm Orange announced that he sought to “drop” his business in Israel, done through an Israeli subsidiary. Speaking at a meeting in Cairo, he emphasized that this was action was mostly to win the “trust” of Arab countries. But there was also a suggestion that this is because the Israeli affiliate has some cellular antennae across the Green Line.
The French Ambassador to the U.S., (and formerly Israel), defended the Orange CEO’s statement on Twitter:‘
“4th Geneva convention : settlement policy in occupied territories is illegal. It is illegal to contribute to it in any way.”
That statement is entirely baseless. Even if settlements are illegal, there is no ban on business in the territories, or with settlers. Certainly there is no tertiary obligation to not do business with businesses that have some tangential business in such territory. All this is demonstrated extensively in my new paper, some of which I tried to share with Amb. Araud.
Perhaps the most instructive aspect of this was the reaction of Amb. Araud, when I pointed out to him that his legal claim is baseless, and squarely contradicted by France’s own courts in recent decisions involving Israel, which held the Geneva Conventions flatly inapplicable to private companies. It is also contradicted by the opinions the U.N. Security Council Legal Advisor, the EU Parliament’s legal advisor, and the U.K. Supreme Court, and more. (All these are described at length in my new paper.)
The Orange incident, and the Ambassador’s legal claim, are also bad news for a number of French companies, like the oil giant Total, which is active in Moroccan-occupied Western Sahara against the vociferous protests of the indigenous Sawahari people. (There are many other examples, like Michelin in Turkish-occupied Cyprus.) The French government has never criticized any of these controversial activities in any way. But if the Ambassador’s legal claim is right, he has provided the basis for war crimes prosecutions of France’s leading executives.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/06/04/business-with-occupied-territories-and-the-french-approach-to-international-law/
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