christians: an inspirational story

Touching moment five-year-old boy begged his mother to buy a homeless man dinner... and then brought the entire restaurant to tears when he said grace with him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087149/Alabama-boy-begs-mother-buy-homeless-man-dinner-Waffle-House.html

you would have to be a hard hearted bastard to not appreciate this story of a young christian

yes that is a beautiful story and shows that little children are very compassionate .

The Devil, You Know wrote:Touching moment five-year-old boy begged his mother to buy a homeless man dinner... and then brought the entire restaurant to tears when he said grace with him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087149/Alabama-boy-begs-mother-buy-homeless-man-dinner-Waffle-House.html

you would have to be a hard hearted bastard to not appreciate this story of a young christian

Its a great story and one that other should learn from
This is the good kind of Christianity I do like.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:Touching moment five-year-old boy begged his mother to buy a homeless man dinner... and then brought the entire restaurant to tears when he said grace with him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087149/Alabama-boy-begs-mother-buy-homeless-man-dinner-Waffle-House.html

you would have to be a hard hearted bastard to not appreciate this story of a young christian

Its a great story and one that other should learn from
This is the good kind of Christianity I do like.

Most Christians will help anyone

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Its a great story and one that other should learn from
This is the good kind of Christianity I do like.

Most Christians will help anyone

Well there certainly is a substantial amount of Christians that kill people in both South and North America for example.
I do agree most Christians would help anyone, again the kind of Christianity I approve of.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Most Christians will help anyone

Well there certainly is a substantial amount of Christians that kill people in both South and North America for example.
I do agree most Christians would help anyone, again the kind of Christianity I approve of.

amen

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Most Christians will help anyone

Well there certainly is a substantial amount of Christians that kill people in both South and North America for example.
I do agree most Christians would help anyone, again the kind of Christianity I approve of.

a substanial amount of Christians who kill, would you like to back that statment with some facts or is it heresay.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


Well there certainly is a substantial amount of Christians that kill people in both South and North America for example.
I do agree most Christians would help anyone, again the kind of Christianity I approve of.

Well you don't know true Christians then because all the Christians i know would do anything for anyone no matter who they are and that includes me and my husband .

"True" Christian?
Then please tell me why is it then we have still homelessness in this Christian country?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


Well there certainly is a substantial amount of Christians that kill people in both South and North America for example.
I do agree most Christians would help anyone, again the kind of Christianity I approve of.

a substanial amount of Christians who kill, would you like to back that statment with some facts or is it heresay.

Sure, the vast majority of South Americans and US citizens are Christians are they not?
Do you wanna see the murder rates?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Well you don't know true Christians then because all the Christians i know would do anything for anyone no matter who they are and that includes me and my husband .

"True" Christian?
Then please tell me why is it then we have still homelessness in this Christian country?

you replied very quickly i wasn't concentrating so i apoligize i misread your post i have edited it with 'amen'

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
a substanial amount of Christians who kill, would you like to back that statment with some facts or is it heresay.

Sure, the vast majority of South Americans and US citizens are Christians are they not?
Do you wanna see the murder rates?

that's heresay, who is to say the minority of non believers are a not doing all the killing, do you have figures or is it heresay!!!
we were reading the other day a thread claiming americans are moving away from religion, so some one is wrong...

you will find homeless in every country .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:you will find homeless in every country .

You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:you will find homeless in every country .

You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

still waiting for figures on Christian killers ....

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

still waiting for figures on Christian killers ....

Are you denying the vast majority of the populations of all these nations are not Christian now?
It stands to reason that then a vast majority of these murders will be by Christians or do you deny this?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:you will find homeless in every country .

You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

It also has a huge Muslim population here too so you should include them in the why we are allowing homelessness to happen . Don't just put the responsibility on Christians, in fact it isn't our responsibility is it , if there was enough money and housing to go around equally nobody would want for anything but that's not how it works .

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
still waiting for figures on Christian killers ....

Are you denying the vast majority of the populations of all these nations are not Christian now?
It stands to reason that then a vast majority of these murders will be by Christians or do you deny this?

heresay, show my your figures on Christian killers !!!!

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

It also has a huge Muslim population here too so you should include them in the why we are allowing homelessness to happen . Don't just put the responsibility on Christians, in fact it isn't our responsibility is it , if there was enough money and housing to go around equally nobody would want for anything but that's not how it works .

Yes there are 2.9 million, but no Muslim stated to me what you claimed in regards to Christians Dibs.
You made a very bold claim about how all true Christians would help anyone. Clearly this is not the case, because we still have many people homeless.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Are you denying the vast majority of the populations of all these nations are not Christian now?
It stands to reason that then a vast majority of these murders will be by Christians or do you deny this?

heresay, show my your figures on Christian killers !!!!

90% of South America is Christians.
Its not hearsay, just simple common sense.
I never said all murders, but the vast majority

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

It also has a huge Muslim population here too so you should include them in the why we are allowing homelessness to happen . Don't just put the responsibility on Christians, in fact it isn't our responsibility is it , if there was enough money and housing to go around equally nobody would want for anything but that's not how it works .

Yes there are 2.9 million, but no Muslim stated to me what you claimed in regards to Christians Dibs.
You made a very bold claim about how all true Christians would help anyone. Clearly this is not the case, because we still have many people homeless.

still waiting for the figures on these Christian killers.....

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Yes there are 2.9 million, but no Muslim stated to me what you claimed in regards to Christians Dibs.
You made a very bold claim about how all true Christians would help anyone. Clearly this is not the case, because we still have many people homeless.

still waiting for the figures on these Christian killers.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_cities_by_murder_rate


Now do the maths, or do you know how to?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
still waiting for the figures on these Christian killers.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_cities_by_murder_rate


Now do the maths, or do you know how to?

what figures what category says how many Christians ..lol
so it is heresay...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_cities_by_murder_rate


Now do the maths, or do you know how to?

what figures what category says how many Christians ..lol
so it is heresay...

90% of the population of South Americans are Christian.
Can you do maths?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
what figures what category says how many Christians ..lol
so it is heresay...

90% of the population of South Americans are Christian.
Can you do maths?

and where are the figures for how many Christians committ murder.. heresay....lol as I thought... heresay..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


90% of the population of South Americans are Christian.
Can you do maths?

and where are the figures for how many Christians committ murder.. heresay....lol as I thought... heresay..

Not working out an average on percentages is not one of your strong points then?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
and where are the figures for how many Christians committ murder.. heresay....lol as I thought... heresay..

Not working out an average on percentages is not one of your strong points then?

you are showing me percentages of those who call themselves christians , percentages of murders committed but no fihures for Christians that have comitted murder, you are addinf 2 and 2 and gettin 4556... heresay is what that is.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Not working out an average on percentages is not one of your strong points then?

you are showing me percentages of those who call themselves christians , percentages of murders committed but no fihures for Christians that have comitted murder, you are addinf 2 and 2 and gettin 4556... heresay is what that is.

The maths is very simple, do you need some help to gain an average?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
you are showing me percentages of those who call themselves christians , percentages of murders committed but no fihures for Christians that have comitted murder, you are addinf 2 and 2 and gettin 4556... heresay is what that is.

The maths is very simple, do you need some help to gain an average?

what i want you to show me is the figures that show Christians who have comitted murder... or is it heresay...

I am trying to show you, but you cannot do averages and simple maths.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:I am trying to show you, but you cannot do averages and simple maths.

you are showing me nothing , you are proving nothing.. it is heresay...

Its funny seeing you struggle with averages and simple maths.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:Its funny seeing you struggle with averages and simple maths.

its funny how you cannot show figures on Christians who have murdered...heresay then...

I am showing you figures.

Out of a 100,000 people what is 90%?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:I am showing you figures.

Out of a 100,000 people what is 90%?

you are showing me nothing, show me figures that show the Christian murderers, not your cooked version of heresay...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:I am showing you figures.

Out of a 100,000 people what is 90%?

you are showing me nothing, show me figures that show the Christian murderers, not your cooked version of heresay...

I am showing you, but again you cannot engage your brain on averages and percentages

Never mind

Just proves...there's really no free lunch.

@HF

they are heavily Christian.. to suggest Mexico (or the USA) is not is quite frankly ridiculous
Both are more Christian than the UK by a lot.

La Familia cartel is sometimes described as quasi-religious since its leaders, Moreno González and Méndez Vargas, refer to their assassinations and beheadings as "divine justice"[24] and that they may have direct or indirect ties with devotees of the New Jerusalem religious movement, which is noted for its concern for justice issues.[25][26][27][28][29][30] La Familia's boss and spiritual leader Nazario Moreno González, (a.k.a.: El Más Loco or The Craziest One) published his own 'bible',[24][31] and a copy seized by Mexican federal agents reveals an ideology that mixes evangelical-style self-help with insurgent peasant slogans. Moreno González, who was killed on December 9, 2010,[32][33] seems to have based most of his doctrine on a work by Christian writer John Eldredge,

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
a substanial amount of Christians who kill, would you like to back that statment with some facts or is it heresay.

Sure, the vast majority of South Americans and US citizens are Christians are they not?
Do you wanna see the murder rates?

that's heresay, who is to say the minority of non believers are a not doing all the killing, do you have figures or is it heresay!!!
we were reading the other day a thread claiming americans are moving away from religion, so some one is wrong...

Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90356

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:you will find homeless in every country .

You said all true Christians will help anyone.
Well either there is next to no true Christians in this country or they are allowing homelessness to happen.

It also has a huge Muslim population here too so you should include them in the why we are allowing homelessness to happen . Don't just put the responsibility on Christians, in fact it isn't our responsibility is it , if there was enough money and housing to go around equally nobody would want for anything but that's not how it works .

There is plenty to go around, as half of the world's wealth is owned by 1 percent of its population.

Also, it's not very Christian to worry about scarcity, is it? Jesus can just "miracle" food and wine into existence, after all ...

Also also ... Luke 12:33.

What question you do have to ask here is when a religious person does help someone, are they doing this because they want to help someone or are they doing this out of a view to be seen good in the belief of their God. Lets be honest here, because religious doctrine stipulates about doing good and there is rewards for doing good. Thus the motivation done out of doing something good is actually done out of an ulterior motive. One that seeks later reward or on the flip side to prevent eternal retribution.

Do not get me wrong it is wonderful that religions encourage people to help others and that is a good aspect of religion, but I think it is also right to point out where the motivation to do good comes from.

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:What question you do have to ask here is when a religious person does help someone, are they doing this because they want to help someone or are they doing this out of a view to be seen good in the belief of their God. Lets be honest here, because religious doctrine stipulates about doing good and there is rewards for doing good. Thus the motivation done out of doing something good is actually done out of an ulterior motive. One that seeks later reward or on the flip side to prevent eternal retribution.

Do not get me wrong it is wonderful that religions encourage people to help others and that is a good aspect of religion, but I think it is also right to point out where the motivation to do good comes from.

Interesting you should bring that up -- now that I think back on it, when I was doing my best to be a faithful Christian, I did feel that the fact that helping others was pleasing to God was really just the cherry on top of how it feels to do it.

It's pretty sad to think of those people who see helping others as a chore, or a religious duty performed to avoid punishment. To me every time I can help someone, I feel like I've earned my keep, that I've done something good with my time, that my existence has been justified a little more. I can't think of anything better than that.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:What question you do have to ask here is when a religious person does help someone, are they doing this because they want to help someone or are they doing this out of a view to be seen good in the belief of their God. Lets be honest here, because religious doctrine stipulates about doing good and there is rewards for doing good. Thus the motivation done out of doing something good is actually done out of an ulterior motive. One that seeks later reward or on the flip side to prevent eternal retribution.

Do not get me wrong it is wonderful that religions encourage people to help others and that is a good aspect of religion, but I think it is also right to point out where the motivation to do good comes from.

Interesting you should bring that up -- now that I think back on it, when I was doing my best to be a faithful Christian, I did feel that the fact that helping others was pleasing to God was really just the cherry on top of how it feels to do it.

It's pretty sad to think of those people who see helping others as a chore, or a religious duty performed to avoid punishment. To me every time I can help someone, I feel like I've earned my keep, that I've done something good with my time, that my existence has been justified a little more. I can't think of anything better than that.

It is interesting Ben, but we can also look at when we do good for someone because again it can also be argued that we are doing this to also make ourselves feel good about ourselves. We may not like to think so, but helping people is like a natural high, as it brings a wonderful feel good factor. So it could be argued, if we are really helping someone when we ourselves gain something from doing this, we are doing this for our own needs also. I think its the old argument that there is no real selfless good deed. Having said that I do not think people conciously think about that when they do help someone, because it will bring them a natural high and feel good factor. I have no doubt there are many religious people who would not conciously think about doing a good deed based on gaining a reward, but it will certainly be the motivating factor behind them doing so. That is the point as well in that many will think God will be please with them when they do so, hence the motivating factor.

veya_victaous wrote:@HF

they are heavily Christian.. to suggest Mexico (or the USA) is not is quite frankly ridiculous
Both are more Christian than the UK by a lot.

La Familia cartel is sometimes described as quasi-religious since its leaders, Moreno González and Méndez Vargas, refer to their assassinations and beheadings as "divine justice"[24] and that they may have direct or indirect ties with devotees of the New Jerusalem religious movement, which is noted for its concern for justice issues.[25][26][27][28][29][30] La Familia's boss and spiritual leader Nazario Moreno González, (a.k.a.: El Más Loco or The Craziest One) published his own 'bible',[24][31] and a copy seized by Mexican federal agents reveals an ideology that mixes evangelical-style self-help with insurgent peasant slogans. Moreno González, who was killed on December 9, 2010,[32][33] seems to have based most of his doctrine on a work by Christian writer John Eldredge,

all i am asking for is figures of Christian murderers....

I wonder why this inspirational story has been hijacked almost immediately by a single person who for some reason has a hatred of christians and will do all he can to disparage a billion + people at every turn.

The Devil, You Know wrote:I wonder why this inspirational story has been hijacked almost immediately by a single person who for some reason has a hatred of christians and will do all he can to disparage a billion + people at every turn.

Hate, I see no hate directed at Christians on here.
Did you put on your glasses today before reading this thread?

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:I wonder why this inspirational story has been hijacked almost immediately by a single person who for some reason has a hatred of christians and will do all he can to disparage a billion + people at every turn.

Hate, I see no hate directed at Christians on here.
Did you put on your glasses today before reading this thread?

yes I note you diverted this thread to christians in south america murdering people which has very little to do with this little boys very heart warming story. I think you may have issues with the christian church for whatever reasons. You do seem to go off on one every time the C word is mentioned.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:


Hate, I see no hate directed at Christians on here.
Did you put on your glasses today before reading this thread?

yes I note you diverted this thread to christians in south america murdering people which has very little to do with this little boys very heart warming story. I think you may have issues with the christian church for whatever reasons. You do seem to go off on one every time the C word is mentioned.

Actually the important post has been edited, which is why you clearly are deranged it seems. As the point was made about all Christians would help people. I countered this to rightly say some murder people like in the North and South American Continents. If you think thaat is hateful, may I suggest you get yourself checked in for evaluation. So no hate was directed at Christians, in fact my family are Christians and all that is proven here is that youi are nothing more than a shit stirring little immature child, as no hate was directed at any Christians.