Weirdest weapons of WWII [WATCH]

http://www.warhistoryonline.com/whotube-2/weirdest-weapons-of-wwii-watch.html

seen bits like this before the germans were incredibly advanced and it is obvious were all the scientists ended up after the war.

The flying wing was also designed and tested by Northrop Corp. during WWII. It is an incredibly unstable airframe.

Not until modern computers created the possibility of 'fly-by-wire' technology, could anyone safely fly it. It requires maneuvers too small, too quick and so many that the human can't keep up.

Original Quill wrote:The flying wing was also designed and tested by Northrop Corp. during WWII.  It is an incredibly unstable airframe.

Not until modern computers created the possibility of 'fly-by-wire' technology, could anyone safely fly it.  It requires maneuvers too small, too quick and so many that the human can't keep up.

not aware of any american jets that were even designed during the second world war..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Original Quill wrote:The flying wing was also designed and tested by Northrop Corp. during WWII.  It is an incredibly unstable airframe.



Not until modern computers created the possibility of 'fly-by-wire' technology, could anyone safely fly it.  It requires maneuvers too small, too quick and so many that the human can't keep up.

not aware of any american jets that were even designed during the second world war..

Nor even a "USAF" designation, as the United States Air Force did not exist until September 1947.  Before that, it was a branch of the US Army, known as the US Army Air Force (USAAF).  The picture was just one I grabbed for illustration.

The original flying wings were prop-driven airplanes, like the YB-35:


Actually, Jack Northrop began fooling around with flying wings even before the start of WWII:

While rumors of industrial sabotage and competing political influences troubled the program, the B-35 and B-49 programs built on the knowledge base started by Jack Northrop's early flights in small experimental flying wings prior to WWII. These technology gains would lead to another design that is the same wing span as the YB-35/49 and would become the current high-tech bomber for the USAF, the B-2 Spirit.

Original Quill wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

not aware of any american jets that were even designed during the second world war..

Nor even a "USAF" designation, as the United States Air Force did not exist until September 1947.  Before that, it was a branch of the US Army, known as the US Army Air Force (USAAF).  The picture was just one I grabbed for illustration.

The original flying wings were prop-driven airplanes, like the YB-35:

Actually, Jack Northrop began fooling around with flying wings even before the start of WWII:

While rumors of industrial sabotage and competing political influences troubled the program, the B-35 and B-49 programs built on the knowledge base started by Jack Northrop's early flights in small experimental flying wings prior to WWII. These technology gains would lead to another design that is the same wing span as the YB-35/49 and would become the current high-tech bomber for the USAF, the B-2 Spirit.

ahh that makes sense then...

Original Quill wrote:The flying wing was also designed and tested by Northrop Corp. during WWII.  It is an incredibly unstable airframe.

Not until modern computers created the possibility of 'fly-by-wire' technology, could anyone safely fly it.  It requires maneuvers too small, too quick and so many that the human can't keep up.

That is because the American design was poor compared to the German design, the Horten Ho 229 which was designed as a Jet. So you are in error in regards to the need of modern computers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229#Operational_history




The yanks even later built a replica of the same methods the Germans used.

America only 'fixed' there planes after getting the German scientists that happened to work on the .. you guessed it, Horton project

Nemesis wrote:That is because the American design was poor compared to the German design, the Horten Ho 229 which was designed as a Jet. So you are in error in regards to the need of modern computers.

Both the Americans and the Germans were working on the design of the flying wing before WWII.  Before stealth came along, it was not a particularly worthy project.  The problem is that without a tail assembly there are only two points of stability rather than three.  Wiki describes this thusly:

Wiki wrote:Because it lacks conventional stabilizing surfaces and the associated control surfaces, in its purest form the flying wing suffers from the inherent disadvantages of being unstable and difficult to control. These compromises are difficult to reconcile, and efforts to do so can reduce or even negate the expected advantages of the flying wing design, such as reductions in weight and drag. Moreover, solutions may produce a final design that is still too unsafe for certain uses, such as commercial aviation.

*   *   *   *

For any aircraft to fly without constant correction it must have directional stability in yaw.

Flying wings lack the long fuselage, the component that provides a convenient attachment point for an efficient vertical stabilizer or fin.

Any fin must attach directly on to the rear part of the wing, giving a small moment arm from the aerodynamic center, which in turn means that to be effective the fin area must be large. This large fin has weight and drag penalties, and can negate the advantages of the flying wing. The problem can be minimized by increasing the leading edge sweepback and placing twin fins outboard near the tips, as for example in a low-aspect-ratio delta wing, but many flying wings have gentler sweepback and consequently have, at best, marginal stability.

The German Horton created a wing controlled with a system of elevons and spoilers, both inboard and outboard--essentially differential drag.  This system gave greater control of yaw.  The problem was that it wasn't a very practical airframe:

Wiki wrote:A consequence of the differential drag method is that if the aircraft maneuvers frequently then it will frequently create drag. So flying wings are at their best when cruising in still air: in turbulent air or when changing course, the aircraft may be less efficient than a conventional design.

Nobody improved on WWII models.  They just were not practical for any purpose.  They were big, heavy and could be used only for bombers.  The Germans had better airframes for those purposes, and so did the US.

They became practical when stealth became necessary, and fly-by-wire made control more feasible:

Wiki wrote:However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.

Whew...mythbusting is a tireless job. Lol.

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:That is because the American design was poor compared to the German design, the Horten Ho 229 which was designed as a Jet. So you are in error in regards to the need of modern computers.

Both the Americans and the Germans were working on the design of the flying wing before WWII.  Before stealth came along, it was not a particularly worthy project.  The problem is that without a tail assembly there are only two points of stability rather than three.  Wiki describes this thusly:

Wiki wrote:Because it lacks conventional stabilizing surfaces and the associated control surfaces, in its purest form the flying wing suffers from the inherent disadvantages of being unstable and difficult to control. These compromises are difficult to reconcile, and efforts to do so can reduce or even negate the expected advantages of the flying wing design, such as reductions in weight and drag. Moreover, solutions may produce a final design that is still too unsafe for certain uses, such as commercial aviation.

*   *   *   *

For any aircraft to fly without constant correction it must have directional stability in yaw.

Flying wings lack the long fuselage, the component that provides a convenient attachment point for an efficient vertical stabilizer or fin.

Any fin must attach directly on to the rear part of the wing, giving a small moment arm from the aerodynamic center, which in turn means that to be effective the fin area must be large. This large fin has weight and drag penalties, and can negate the advantages of the flying wing. The problem can be minimized by increasing the leading edge sweepback and placing twin fins outboard near the tips, as for example in a low-aspect-ratio delta wing, but many flying wings have gentler sweepback and consequently have, at best, marginal stability.

The German Horton created a wing controlled with a system of elevons and spoilers, both inboard and outboard--essentially differential drag.  This system gave greater control of yaw.  The problem was that it wasn't a very practical airframe:

Wiki wrote:A consequence of the differential drag method is that if the aircraft maneuvers frequently then it will frequently create drag. So flying wings are at their best when cruising in still air: in turbulent air or when changing course, the aircraft may be less efficient than a conventional design.

Nobody improved on WWII models.  They just were not practical for any purpose.  They were big, heavy and could be used only for bombers.  The Germans had better airframes for those purposes, and so did the US.

They became practical when stealth became necessary, and fly-by-wire made control more feasible:

Wiki wrote:However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.

The first prototype H.IX V1, an unpowered glider with fixed tricycle landing gear, flew on 1 March 1944. Flight results were very favorable, but there was an accident when the pilot attempted to land without first retracting an instrument-carrying pole extending from the aircraft. The design was taken from the Horten brothers and given to Gothaer Waggonfabrik. The Gotha team made some changes: They added a simple ejection seat, dramatically changed the undercarriage to enable a higher gross weight, changed the jet engine inlets, and added ducting to air-cool the jet engine's outer casing to prevent damage to the wooden wing.^[1]
The H.IX V1 was followed in December 1944 by the Junkers Jumo 004-powered second prototype H.IX V2; the BMW 003 engine was preferred, but unavailable. Göring believed in the design and ordered a production series of 40 aircraft from Gothaer Waggonfabrik with the RLM designation Ho 229, even though it had not yet taken to the air under jet power. The first flight of the H.IX V2 was made in Oranienburg on 2 February 1945.
All subsequent test flights and development were done by Gothaer Waggonfabrik. By this time, the Horten brothers were working on a turbojet-powered design for the Amerika Bomber contract competition and did not attend the first test flight. The test pilot was Leutnant Erwin Ziller. Two further test flights were made between 2 and 18 February 1945. Another test pilot used in the evaluation was Heinz Scheidhauer.
The H.IX V2 reportedly displayed very good handling qualities, with only moderate lateral instability (a typical deficiency of tailless aircraft). While the second flight was equally successful, the undercarriage was damaged by a heavy landing caused by Ziller deploying the brake parachute too early during his landing approach. There are reports that during one of these test flights, the H.IX V2 undertook a simulated "dog-fight" with a Messerschmitt Me 262, the first operational jet fighter, and that the H.IX V2 outperformed the Me 262.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229#Operational_history


Watch the video because you are taking nonsense about computers to fly the Horten


Night

Nemesis wrote:The first prototype H.IX V1, an unpowered glider with fixed tricycle landing gear, flew on 1 March 1944. Flight results were very favorable, but there was an accident when the pilot attempted to land without first retracting an instrument-carrying pole extending from the aircraft. The design was taken from the Horten brothers and given to Gothaer Waggonfabrik. The Gotha team made some changes: They added a simple ejection seat, dramatically changed the undercarriage to enable a higher gross weight, changed the jet engine inlets, and added ducting to air-cool the jet engine's outer casing to prevent damage to the wooden wing.^[1]
The H.IX V1 was followed in December 1944 by the Junkers Jumo 004-powered second prototype H.IX V2; the BMW 003 engine was preferred, but unavailable. Göring believed in the design and ordered a production series of 40 aircraft from Gothaer Waggonfabrik with the RLM designation Ho 229, even though it had not yet taken to the air under jet power. The first flight of the H.IX V2 was made in Oranienburg on 2 February 1945.
All subsequent test flights and development were done by Gothaer Waggonfabrik. By this time, the Horten brothers were working on a turbojet-powered design for the Amerika Bomber contract competition and did not attend the first test flight. The test pilot was Leutnant Erwin Ziller. Two further test flights were made between 2 and 18 February 1945. Another test pilot used in the evaluation was Heinz Scheidhauer.
The H.IX V2 reportedly displayed very good handling qualities, with only moderate lateral instability (a typical deficiency of tailless aircraft). While the second flight was equally successful, the undercarriage was damaged by a heavy landing caused by Ziller deploying the brake parachute too early during his landing approach. There are reports that during one of these test flights, the H.IX V2 undertook a simulated "dog-fight" with a Messerschmitt Me 262, the first operational jet fighter, and that the H.IX V2 outperformed the Me 262.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229#Operational_history

Watch the video because you are taking nonsense about computers to fly the Horten
Night

Erm...I was quoting from your source, Wikipedia.  Point...set...match!

has anyone ever wondered how the Germans seemed so advanced compared to the allies..?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:has anyone ever wondered how the Germans seemed so advanced compared to the allies..?

They really weren't.  Just as the Italians cook, the French paint and the Russians dance, Germans are good with toys.  The reason they lost the war was not because of the beauty of their toys, but they were lousy mass producers.  

The German Tiger II tank was the greatest tank built during WWII.  It was a real beauty.  But the Germans only managed to build 492 of them.  The main allied tank was the M4 Sherman.  The Americans produced the M4 out of 11 factories at a rate of 2,000 per month by mid-1942, barely 6-months into the war for the US.

The story is the same with aircraft, ships and field weapons.  And, toward the end of the war the Germans could put up nothing to match the British Merlin powered, North American Aviation designed and manufactured P-51 D Mustang.

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:The first prototype H.IX V1, an unpowered glider with fixed tricycle landing gear, flew on 1 March 1944. Flight results were very favorable, but there was an accident when the pilot attempted to land without first retracting an instrument-carrying pole extending from the aircraft. The design was taken from the Horten brothers and given to Gothaer Waggonfabrik. The Gotha team made some changes: They added a simple ejection seat, dramatically changed the undercarriage to enable a higher gross weight, changed the jet engine inlets, and added ducting to air-cool the jet engine's outer casing to prevent damage to the wooden wing.^[1]
The H.IX V1 was followed in December 1944 by the Junkers Jumo 004-powered second prototype H.IX V2; the BMW 003 engine was preferred, but unavailable. Göring believed in the design and ordered a production series of 40 aircraft from Gothaer Waggonfabrik with the RLM designation Ho 229, even though it had not yet taken to the air under jet power. The first flight of the H.IX V2 was made in Oranienburg on 2 February 1945.
All subsequent test flights and development were done by Gothaer Waggonfabrik. By this time, the Horten brothers were working on a turbojet-powered design for the Amerika Bomber contract competition and did not attend the first test flight. The test pilot was Leutnant Erwin Ziller. Two further test flights were made between 2 and 18 February 1945. Another test pilot used in the evaluation was Heinz Scheidhauer.
The H.IX V2 reportedly displayed very good handling qualities, with only moderate lateral instability (a typical deficiency of tailless aircraft). While the second flight was equally successful, the undercarriage was damaged by a heavy landing caused by Ziller deploying the brake parachute too early during his landing approach. There are reports that during one of these test flights, the H.IX V2 undertook a simulated "dog-fight" with a Messerschmitt Me 262, the first operational jet fighter, and that the H.IX V2 outperformed the Me 262.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229#Operational_history

Watch the video because you are taking nonsense about computers to fly the Horten
Night

Erm...I was quoting from your source, Wikipedia.  Point...set...match!

Errr there is nothing about computers on the wiki link I presented


Checkmate

Original Quill wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:has anyone ever wondered how the Germans seemed so advanced compared to the allies..?

They really weren't.  Just as the Italians cook, the French paint and the Russians dance, Germans are good with toys.  The reason they lost the war was not because of the beauty of their toys, but they were lousy mass producers.  

The German Tiger II tank was the greatest tank built during WWII.  It was a real beauty.  But the Germans only managed to build 492 of them.  The main allied tank was the M4 Sherman.  The Americans produced the M4 out of 11 factories at a rate of 2,000 per month by mid-1942, barely 6-months into the war for the US.

The story is the same with aircraft, ships and field weapons.  And, toward the end of the war the Germans could put up nothing to match the British Merlin powered, North American Aviation designed and manufactured P-51 D Mustang.

The vast majority of historians, recognize the Germans were far more advanced in their weapons technology, from tanks, heavy machine guns, the first assault rifle to jet aircraft.
I have no idea what history you are reading but it is in the realms of Dr. Who


It was quantity, not quality that won for the allies WW2. The Sherman was a disaster tank, that often ignited into flames, hence why it was nicknamed the Ronson lighter. Many crews perished not being able to get out in time. The Mustang also had a British engine. Air to air it was little match for the ME 262, what they did was take advantage of the ME262's disadvantage of having to slow down for landing and many were shot down in this capacity. Also there was never enough to take on the Mustang this late in the war.

Not on that link, but your source was Wikipedia. Wikipedia says:

Wikipedia wrote:However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing

Didn't look far enough, did you?

Point, set, match. Lol. I'll send the ball boy over for my money.

Nemesis wrote:It was quantity, not quality that won for the allies WW2.

My point exactly.

n World War 2, Germany had a significant advantage in several fields of weapons technology. The German advantage was particularly noticeable at the beginning of the war, and towards the end of the war, with a diverse series of innovative weapons, commonly referred to as German secret weapons by The Allies, and Wonder Weapons by the Germans:

Jet and rocket aircraft

• Arado 234 - the world's first jet bomber, the Arado 234 was a highly advanced single-seat bomber with automatic pilot, eject seat, pilot-aimed rear guns, and with its two jet engines and streamlined shape it was too fast to intercept.
  
• Messerschmitt 262 - the world's first jet fighter, it was an excellent bomber interceptor. ( read full Messerschmitt 262 essay ).
  
• Messerschmitt 163 - the world's first rocket-powered fighter, the Messerschmitt 163 was an incredibly fast AND highly agile short range point defense bomber interceptor, like a manned and reusable anti aircraft missile. Once the incoming bombers formation appeared, it could take off, climb at them at an incredible rate, close in at 600mph, a speed that made the heavy bombers and their escort fighters almost sitting ducks in comparison, attack, then disengage, run out of rocket fuel, dive down unpowered but still too fast for any other fighter to chase, and then easily glide back to landing at base. In the hands of a capable pilot it was a formidable weapon, even if short ranged, and indeed one German ace once shot down three B-17 bombers one after the other in one sortie with it.
  
• Heinkel 162 - a jet fighter designed to be mass-produced by minimally trained workers, using available non-strategic materials, and to be flown by minimally trained pilots. Just 69 days after being given the contract, Heinkel successfully flew the new jet fighter, and production started.
  

Other advanced aircraft

• Dornier 335 - the world's first fighter with eject seat, the Dornier 335 was a fast and powerful bomber interceptor which could fly and climb faster than its opponents, the American P-51 Mustang escort fighters. Unlike typical twin-engine aircraft with one propeller on each wing, the Dornier 335 had one propeller in the nose and one propeller in the tail.
  
• Junkers 87 "Stuka" - the world's first real precision bomber, the Stuka played key role in the German Blitzkrieg victories in the first half of the war, and remained the best dive bomber of World War 2. ( read full Stuka Dive Bomber essay ).
  
• Helicopters - the world's first operational military helicopters were the Flettner 282, a small maritime reconnaissance helicopter used mostly in the Mediterranean, and the Focke Achgelis 223, a utility helicopter. Production numbers were low due to the destruction of the factories by Allied air bombardment.
  

Guided Weapons

• Henschel Hs-293 - the world's first operational guided missile. On its first operational use, on Aug. 27, 1943, it sank a British warship. The Hs-293 was a radio-controlled missile with a 500kg warhead, guided by the launching bomber's bombardier. At least 2300 were fired until the end of the war.
  
• Ruhrstahl Fritz-X - the world's first guided bomb. On its first operational use, on Sept. 9, 1943, two Fritz-X bombs dropped from a German bomber hit the Italian 45,000 ton battleship Roma so hard that it exploded. Like a modern 'bunker buster' bomb, the big radio-controlled Fritz-X was built to penetrate the thickest armor. It weighed 3460lb : 20% explosives, the rest hard metal.
  
• V-1 - the world's first cruise missile. The jet-powered V-1 delivered a 1875lb warhead to a range of 125 miles. It was launched mostly from fixed ground launchers, but also air-launched from bombers. A manned version for suicide attack was developed and became operational, but never used for attack.
  
• V-2 - the world's first long range ballistic missile. The rocket-powered V-2 delivered a 2150lb warhead to a range of 200 miles, and since it reached the target from above at a speed of 2500mph, there was no early warning, and it was launched from mobile launchers, which were hard to detect before and after launch.
  
• Schrage Musik - upward firing guns installed in night fighters and automatically triggered by a photoelectric sensor when flying under the target bomber's night shadow. This was a very efficient weapon which enabled swift and lethal surprise attacks from below.
  
• Sondergerate - downward firing recoilless anti-tank guns installed in ground attack aircraft and triggered automatically by a photoelectric sensor when the attacking aircraft passed over the target tank.
  

Submarines

• Type 21 submarine - the world's first submarine built to stay submerged during its entire patrol, not just during combat as earlier submarines did. Type 21 was a superior submarine in every sense. It was faster when submerged than when surfaced. It had a battery-powered range of over 300 miles between battery recharges, which did not require surfacing, just raising a schnorkel to water level. It was the first submarine with advanced SONAR capable of targeting enemy ships while submerged without having to use the periscope. It had a secondary electric motor especially for silent combat running, fast torpedo reload mechanism, air conditioning, and more. Type 21 was a highly advanced attack submarine that was much harder to detect by anti-submarine aircraft and vessels.
  
• Type 23 submarine - was the small sister of Type 21. A very small attack submarine (250 tons) with a crew of just 14, it was optimized for attack and survival in coastal and shallow waters, and in addition to the advanced features of Type 21, it was also capable of incredibly fast crash dive, in less than 10 seconds.
  
• Electric-powered torpedoes - the world's first electric powered torpedoes were used by the German submarines. They did not leave a trail of bubbles in the water, and therefore did not reveal the direction to the attacking submarine, greatly improving its chance of avoiding a counter attack.
  
• Stealth - the world's first stealth coating. It made surfaced German submarines invisible to night detection by airborne Infra-Red searchlights. This stealth technology was decades ahead of its time, based on the same science principles used in the RADAR-absorbing coating of modern stealth aircraft.
  

Army weapons

• Nerve Gas - the world's first three types of "Nerve Gas" chemical weapons were developed in Germany: Tabun (1936), Sarin (1938), Soman (1944), all many times more lethal than earlier chemical weapons. Unlike chemical weapons like Mustard Gas which injure and kill by burning skin and tissue, Nerve Agents, like the venom of Cobra snakes and scorpions, quickly causes a total and excruciating muscle paralysis that kills by paralising the muscles invloved in breathing.
  The Allies knew nothing of this horrible secret German weapon, or the fact that the German artillery was already equipped with it, until after the war's end. The Germans on the other hand, didn't know that The Allies did NOT have any nerve gases, but assumed that they did, and therefore feared massive retaliation with similar weapons if they used their nerve gases, as Winston Churchill declared that if the Germans will use chemical weapons, he will order to "rain" the entire British stockpile of chemical weapons in retaliation. It was a "Balance of Terror" like the nuclear Balance of Terror during the post-WWII Cold War.
  
• Sturmgewehr 44 - the world's first assault rifle. Assault rifles (like the modern M-16 and AK-47) are an optimized compromise between the rifle and the sub-machine gun, combining the advantages of both to a superior weapon.
  
• Synthetic Fuel - the world's first synthetic fuel. Before and during World War 2, Germany built many large production plants, solely for wartime purposes, as the produced fuel was much more expensive than petroleum based fuels. The synthetic fuel, produced from coal, was critically important to Germany during the entire war to overcome its dependence on imported petroleum.
  

Electronics

• Radio Navigation - Since the beginning of World War 2, German night bombers could efficiently navigate to their targets using systems of fixed radio transmitters, and receivers installed in the bombers. This was the forefather of GPS. In the first 2 1/2 years of the war, Allied night bombers had no equivalent systems, and were terribly inaccurate.
  

The above list of German weapons does not include many other innovative weapons development projects which did not become operational before World War 2 ended, but which greatly influenced the post-war East-West arms race. It also does not include many other advanced German weapons which did participate in World War 2, but to which The Allies had equivalent weapons.


http://www.2worldwar2.com/german-secret-weapons.htm

Original Quill wrote:Not on that link, but your source was Wikipedia.  Wikipedia says:

Wikipedia wrote:However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing

Didn't look far enough, did you?

Point, set, match.  Lol.  I'll send the ball boy over for my money.

lol that is your link, not mine, which again fails to understand the Horten or how it was built by the Yanks later in the video, where it did not need computer technology

Checkmate again

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:It was quantity, not quality that won for the allies WW2.

My point exactly.  

Which has nothing to do with being more advanced which the Germans were.
Silly point, nobody refutes quantity won, what is being stated is the advanced technology the Germans had

Nemesis wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Not on that link, but your source was Wikipedia.  Wikipedia says:



Didn't look far enough, did you?

Point, set, match.  Lol.  I'll send the ball boy over for my money.

lol that is your link, not mine, which again fails to understand the Horten or how it was built by the Yanks later in the video, where it did not need computer technology

Yep...that's why I laugh.  You deny the truth (about fly-by-wire making the flying wing feasible), even when it's in your wheelhouse (as an emptor of Wikipedia), and when caught you claim Whaa...I never saw that!

You need to sharpen those research skills...like, LOOK.  

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

lol that is your link, not mine, which again fails to understand the Horten or how it was built by the Yanks later in the video, where it did not need computer technology

Yep...that's why I laugh.  You deny the truth (about fly-by-wire making the flying wing feasible), even when it's in your wheelhouse (as an emptor of Wikipedia), and when caught you claim Whaa...I never saw that!

You need to sharpen those research skills...like, LOOK.  

Deny what truth?

Your link is very much wrong, not only was the test flights successful but also the yanks rebuilt this and flew this, so it clearly did not need any computer technology did it?
So I suggest you watch the video and stop ending up with egg on your face Quill

Also you need to read in context as you have taken out of context:


Interest in flying wings was renewed in the 1980s due to their potentially low radar reflection cross-sections. Stealth technology relies on shapes that reflect only radar waves in certain directions, thus making the aircraft hard to detect unless the radar receiver is at a specific position relative to the aircraft—a position that changes continuously as the aircraft moves. This approach eventually led to the Northrop B-2 Spirit stealth bomber. In this case the aerodynamic advantages of the flying wing are not the primary needs. However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.

Nemesis wrote:Deny what truth?

Lost the plot again? Here to remind you are a few of the excerpts from the discussion above:

Original Quill (quoting Wikipedia): “'However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.'”

Nemesis: “…you are taking nonsense about computers to fly the Horten”

Original Quill: "I was quoting from your source, Wikipedia."

Nemesis: "Errr there is nothing about computers on the wiki link I presented"

Original Quill: "Didn't look far enough, did you?"

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:Deny what truth?

Lost the plot again?  Here to remind you are a few of the excerpts from the discussion above:

Original Quill (quoting Wikipedia):  “'However, modern computer-controlled fly-by-wire systems allowed for many of the aerodynamic drawbacks of the flying wing to be minimized, making for an efficient and stable long-range bomber.'”

Nemesis: “…you are taking nonsense about computers to fly the Horten”

Original Quill:  "I was quoting from your source, Wikipedia."

Nemesis:  "Errr there is nothing about computers on the wiki link I presented"

Original Quill:  "Didn't look far enough, did you?"

You have dearboy and it was your wiki source not mine which mine was the horten link, which all can see

Whoops

The Horten was a fighter bomber, not a long range bomber, hence why you fail to take in context Quill

Never mind