Mayor Of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, Found Guilty Of Electoral Fraud

by Guest Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:38 am

A mayor has been found guilty of corrupt and illegal practices by a judge following an Election Court trial estimated to have run up legal bills in the region of £1 million. Lutfur Rahman - directly-elected mayor of Tower Hamlets in east London - was found "personally" guilty of wrongdoing and "guilty by his agents" by Election Commissioner Richard Mawrey. Mr Mawrey said the 2014 Tower Hamlets mayoral election was void and that Mr Rahman could not stand at a new election. Four voters took legal action against Mr Rahman at a hearing in the High Court in London which ran for several weeks earlier this year. The group was headed by Andy Erlam, who had stood as a councillor on an anti-corruption ticket.

"It is a fantastic result for democracy," he said after today's ruling.

"There will have to be a new election for mayor. Mr Rahman cannot stand."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/04/23/tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-guilty-of-electoral-fraud_n_7124904.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

by Tommy Monk Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:34 pm

About bloody time this criminal was prosecuted.

by Irn Bru Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:11 pm

These clowns need to be rooted out of any public office. They have no place in a democratic society and do not represent anyone but themselves.

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:43 pm

I think you'll find this corrupt Muslim was looking after his Muslim friends and fraudulently routing public money to them after being elected by having other Muslims fixing the counting of votes and intimidating others to vote for him.

by Guest Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I think you'll find this corrupt Muslim was looking after his Muslim friends and fraudulently routing public money to them after being elected by having other Muslims fixing the counting of votes and intimidating others to vote for him.

Which just goes to show that within all groups of people we find there are some that are currupt and that they are rightly exposed and dealt with.

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:42 pm

But Muslims and blacks take corruption to a whole new level...

You only have to look at the corrupt countries list to see that.

by Guest Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:But Muslims and blacks take corruption to a whole new level...

You only have to look at the corrupt countries list to see that.

That shows just why you understand very little about humans let alone their biology and history

Look I take it and understand that you dislike Humans that have darker colour of skin to you and Humans that have different views to a god they believe in. The thing is corruption is taught and learnt, which also means we have a choice to either be corrupt or honest. Most people chose honesty and if you want to ask who really is corrupt, then it is western societies that take it to a new level. Both Blacks and Muslims, do not enjoy the same levels of privileges that you have born into this country. Now that is the worst kind of corruption for you can find. The laws here do not allow for discrimination, but the system through people allows discrimination to happen, being denied the same privileges as you.

Everyone has the capability to be corrupt or honest, there is no gene that makes a group of people who are religious or have darker skin to making them more corruptible. Hence your view point lacks any credibility. So to make a rather irrational claim on levels as you are doing. Where you think blacks and Muslims take corruption to a higher level and your bases for this and evidence is to claim to look at their countries. Countries that is where they learnt this new level of corruption from the Colonial powers themselves. Where the Europeans only education a small elite in society, teaching then the worst corruption. Where today we have the after effects of this in these former Colonial nations, where those they advantaged, the elite made elite by the Europeans, that have continued this corruption.

Sorry, but your view lacks any credibility as it is through power and wealth that some people allow this feeling to go to their heads corrupting others.

by Guest Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:29 pm

Oh and I should add also. It is the Western Governments that tend to prop up or back the corrupt leaders of the nations that have corrupt Governments that is. Which makes any Western nation culpable to their corruption as well, as they are silent and inactive to this corruption.

So what was you saying again in regards to corruption Tommy?
Clearly how you view corruption is very limited and biased towards these two groups of people, because you dislike both of them. Which denies you the ability to have rational impartial reasoning on the topic. In fact because you dislike them so much. Your dislike, an emotion, over rules any rational unbiased thinking here, which leads you to making the wrong conclusions here.

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:48 pm

Blah Blah Blah waffle waffle waffle Didge...

Look at the corrupt countries list, speaks for itself.

by Guest Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:57 pm

Thank you Tommy for proving all my points correct by your reply, where I knew you would flunk on countering.

Another interesting discussion, so thank you, but best though that study further the history of humans and biology for if this arises again.

Until the next discussion then.

See ya.

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:10 pm

You have no points, just your usual waffle!

by eddie Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:31 pm

Tbf Tommy you simply cannoT deny that there are good and bad within every sect and race.
To deny that is just simply dumb!

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:37 am

I'm not trying to deny that... it is others who are trying to deny the differing levels...

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:49 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not trying to deny that... it is others who are trying to deny the differing levels...

Cause there is no Different Level twat
If there was one it would be WHITE EUROPEANS that are the MOST VIOLENT have committed the MOST crime in the Past 100 years.
You are a dumb racist, simple as that.

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:54 am

I'm sure he can't even see the wood for the trees through the hypocrisy of that rant...

And hold on... wait for it... there's more... it's all MY fault!!!

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:59 am

no dick head there are morons in every culture or religion. Like you would be the moron of any culture or religion you joined, Doesn't matter which one, people would look at you and the shit racist crap you say and go that culture/religion is Shit-house! obviously look at the sort of Dumb Shit it produces, if this moron promotes that Culture/religion you know it is evil dumb racist shit.

Now that doesn't mean that Everyone that follows it is a stupid as you, But it does make the whole group look bad because it has people like you in it. Islams problem is too many people like you follow it... Irony is that UKIPs problem? too many people like you that follow it too.

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:00 am

for TM

Mayor Of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, Found Guilty Of Electoral Fraud Jkj8SB4

by Guest Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:01 am

The problem with a racist like Tommy is he is clouded by his hateful views of others he deems as inferior based off no scientific evidence. He will of course present pseudoscience as his evidence, which is why it gets laughed at and receives groans when he presents them. He in fact ignores science when presented to him and fails to even look at history and bases most of his arguments off a present situation, which is not a good measure to test a variable, let alone factor in causes for a given problem.

He basically needs to go back to school.

by Original Quill Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:15 pm

+1

I think poor tommy has just never gotten his mind around empirical argument. Tommy doesn't recognize the difference between his own assumptions (internal) and facts established by evidence (external). I've heard him argue that heterosexuality is 'natural' when he doesn't know how to define nature. Similarly, he assumes the white is superior to the black and Muslim, without any knowledge of what superior means. It's just whatever he is comfortable with in his own mind. The galling thing is he believes that other people subscribe to what is only personal to him.

Lol...but he is a good exhibit to keep around and study. It's kinda like our own personal zoo.

Oops...no personal comments. Soz...carry on...

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:01 pm

You twats finished waffling bollocks now...!?

The fact that heterosexuality is normal and natural is evident throughout nature.

I've never used the words inferior or superior to describe the status of whites blacks and Muslims.

But don't let facts get in THe way of a good bit of bullshit eh guys...!?

Islamp problem is that too many people who aren't like me follow it.. and it IS based on their leader Mohammed who was a warmongering, murdering, robbing, raping, brutal, psychotic peadophile!!!

Only an idiot or someone inherently evil would want to follow and revere that example.

by Original Quill Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You twats finished waffling bollocks now...!?

The fact that heterosexuality is normal and natural is evident throughout nature.

Bullshit. You cannot even define normal, least of all natural.

Tommy Monk wrote:I've never used the words inferior or superior to describe the status of whites blacks and Muslims.

Bullshit. Take a gander over on the Yep, that's racism thread:

Tommy Monk wrote:Why is blacktown such a bad area...?

Is it maybe because it is full of blacks...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:But don't let facts get in THe way of a good bit of bullshit eh guys...!?

But never let facts get in the way of a good time I believe is the way the song goes, eh tommy?

Tommy Monk wrote:Islamp problem is that too many people who aren't like me follow it.. and it IS based on their leader Mohammed who was a warmongering, murdering, robbing, raping, brutal, psychotic peadophile!!!

Only an idiot or someone inherently evil would want to follow and revere that example.

That square dance is only going on "in your mind" tommy. Assumption is not fact.

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:24 pm

You are quite mad you know quill...!?

by Original Quill Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:55 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

You are quite mad you know quill...!?

I never get upset.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:55 am

Is that a psychopathic tendency...!?

I was meaning 'mad' in its literal sense of 'insane'...

by Original Quill Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Is that a psychopathic tendency...!?

Frankly no, it's an inner peace born of a commitment to truth. First, never speak without having some facts to back it up. Second, always be corrigible.

Anger is a useless emotion. Cool

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:35 pm

veya_victaous wrote:no dick head there are morons in every culture or religion. Like you would be the moron of any culture or religion you joined, Doesn't matter which one, people would look at you and the shit racist crap you say and go that culture/religion is Shit-house! obviously look at the sort of Dumb Shit it produces, if this moron promotes that Culture/religion you know it is evil dumb racist shit.

Now that doesn't mean that Everyone that follows it is a stupid as you, But it does make the whole group look bad because it has people like you in it. Islams problem is too many people like you follow it... Irony is that UKIPs problem? too many people like you that follow it too.

Didn't you generalise about white people in a negative manner in another thread?

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:25 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Is that a psychopathic tendency...!?

Frankly no, it's an inner peace born of a commitment to truth. First, never speak without having some facts to back it up. Second, always be corrigible.

Anger is a useless emotion.

I never do speak about things without having a knowledge of them And facts to back it up and I am open to changing my mind if evidence supports the need to.

by Original Quill Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Frankly no, it's an inner peace born of a commitment to truth. First, never speak without having some facts to back it up. Second, always be corrigible.

Anger is a useless emotion.

I never do speak about things without having a knowledge of them And facts to back it up and I am open to changing my mind if evidence supports the need to.

I take you at your word, tommy. Although, I recall a few questions you have been unable to adequately answer in the past.

But that's another subject. Here, you had asked my why I was able to maintain such calm during discussions and I was merely answering your question.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:01 pm

Not quite, I said you were mad (insane), and you mistook that as saying you were angry/upset, and volunteered the information that you never get upset... I was taking the piss by suggesting you had psychopathic tendencies.

I wasn't asking how you stay calm during discussions at all!

lol!

And As far as answering questions adequately... that is purely subjective... anybody can say that about anybody...

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Frankly no, it's an inner peace born of a commitment to truth. First, never speak without having some facts to back it up. Second, always be corrigible.

Anger is a useless emotion.

I never do speak about things without having a knowledge of them And facts to back it up and I am open to changing my mind if evidence supports the need to.

Mayor Of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, Found Guilty Of Electoral Fraud 005

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:15 pm

Are you still denying That you are Didge...!?

lol!

You really are a bellend sometimes dodge!!!

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you still denying That you are Didge...!?

You really are a bellend sometimes dodge!!!

Mayor Of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, Found Guilty Of Electoral Fraud Look-at-you-mh6b3y

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:22 pm

Is that a yes or no...!?

lol!

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Is that a yes or no...!?

Mayor Of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, Found Guilty Of Electoral Fraud 55073526

by Original Quill Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Nemesis wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I never do speak about things without having a knowledge of them And facts to back it up and I am open to changing my mind if evidence supports the need to.

Laughed 'til I did pee. relieved

by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:08 pm

Yes, very funny and all that but neither of you can actually provide any examples of anywhere I have made any comments otherwise...!?

Same old leftie trick of trying to attack the credibility of a person giving an opinion to try to tarnish the actual opinion along with it to attempt to avoid having to actually answer it...!!!

Just more of The same SIXHIRB style bullshit...!!!

Says more about you than it does about me!!!

by Guest Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:37 pm

I suggest, in order to answer this question you simply look at which councils have the most "dubious" records
and correlate that with BOTH their political proclivity AND

just who has undue influence upon them whether inside or outside the council itself

I think the answer is a foregone conclusion

what say you Tommy....

by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:07 pm

Tower Hamlets: Pickles steps in to halt Lutfur Rahman's 'cronies' from destroying files

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tower-hamlets-eric-pickles-steps-in-to-halt-lutfur-rahmans-cronies-from-destroying-files-10212047.html

by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:16 pm

An immediate direction as also been issued to put a stop to the destruction of any hard copy and electronic documents by the council.

Mr Pickles said: “Given the independent election court’s clear findings of corruption in the mayoral administration, there is a clear need for stronger checks and balances in the run-up to the mayoral by-election, especially given many of the associates of the tainted mayor remain in place.

“The commissioners have identified a series of concerns about the ongoing running of the council, including the destruction of documents. We will take whatever action is necessary to ensure a free and fair election and clean up this rotten administration.”

http://www.lgcplus.com/news/politics/pickles-sends-two-more-commissioners-into-tower-hamlets/5084586.article

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:51 am

ER your views were taken apart Tommy and you ignore all the points addressed to you and live in a complete bubble of denial
That is your issue, which is why you are nothing ore than an indoctrinated drone that cannot think for yourself.
So you want to debate, go back and take on the points you avoided.

It is there for all to see that you have wimped out

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:03 am

Seems the govt and courts are seeing things differently to you dodge... and rightly so!

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:08 am

How is that answering my points?

Go back and answer them and stop wasting everyones time with your ignorance. You made poor claims earlier which were easily dismissed, because you are ignorant.
Not once have you addressed mine of Quills points, you last reply back was blah blah blah, meaning you have no answer.
At no point has anyone denied there is corruption in the world, you provide no evidence for your view based on ethnic groups, let alone how many members of people elected have been corrupt.

I am not going to continue to pander to your stupidity, when all can see you just wimp out of answering

Evidence please or I shall just enjoy continuing to mock your stupidity

lol

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:50 am

Yeah cos the court action against and govt take over of corrupt mayors and local councils like this happens all the time doesn't it dodge...!?

Read the links...

Rotten to The core!!!

Rotherham.

Rochdale.

What do they all have in common...!?

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:53 am

Provide the evidence I asked for and stop wasting my time with drivel.
Seriously, stop being an idiot, otherwise you will find yourself being ignored for the dumb idiot you are.
This is a debate forum, not a playground, try actually debating and responding to points raised.

Last chance

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:08 pm

What points?

Denials are not points...

by Original Quill Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:What points?

Denials are not points...

Erm...not to interfere...but, yes they are.

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:46 pm

I suggest, in order to answer this question you simply look at which councils have the most "dubious" records
and correlate that with BOTH their political proclivity AND

just who has undue influence upon them whether inside or outside the council itself

I think the answer is a foregone conclusion

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:47 pm

No they are just wishy washy denials...

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:22 pm

darknessss wrote:I suggest, in order to answer this question you simply look at which councils have the most "dubious" records
and correlate that with BOTH their political proclivity AND

just who has undue influence upon them whether inside or outside the council itself

I think the answer is a foregone conclusion

Really and you base this on what time period?
One that fits your xenophobic point of view?
Also who decides on dubious?
You.
Do not make me laugh
Put up the evidence or shut up, its quite simple

by Guest Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:32 pm

Nemesis wrote:
darknessss wrote:I suggest, in order to answer this question you simply look at which councils have the most "dubious" records
and correlate that with BOTH their political proclivity AND

just who has undue influence upon them whether inside or outside the council itself

I think the answer is a foregone conclusion

Really and you base this on what time period?
One that fits your xenophobic point of view?
Also who decides on dubious?
You.
Do not make me laugh
Put up the evidence or shut up, its quite simple

fook you sunshine.....

I suggested an answer to the question...or the means to obtain one

you are running in twat mode again......

I cant help it if you are scared to do it, because you can guess the answer.....

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