Israeli Racism - Christians speak out while Israelis have TV programes to mock Jesus and Mary
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Re: Israeli Racism - Christians speak out while Israelis have TV programes to mock Jesus and Mary
This page is not a defence of Israel's policy in its war against its terrorist enemies. That is elsewhere.
This page is a defence of Israel as a liberal democracy, with free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of sexuality.
This is why I support Israel. I support any liberal democracy anywhere in the world - South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India, South Africa, Israel, the South American democracies, Eastern Europe, and of course the traditional West. And I especially support any democracy fighting against non-democratic tyranny - as in the case of Israel, whose opponents are not democrats but rather tribal racists and totalitarian religious maniacs.
If Israel was not a democracy, I wouldn't support it. If the Palestinians were democrats, I would support them. But they're not, so I don't.
From Israel Ministry of Tourism.
As well as the sexy women, you've got to love the tolerance of gays here.
Copies here and here.
Freedom of religion in Israel
Israel is the only country in the entire region where I, an atheist, could live without being persecuted. That is all one has to say really. We all know this in our hearts in the West. We all know this is true.
"A Portrait of Israeli Jewry", AVI CHAI Foundation, 2000, found the following:
29 percent of Israeli Jews said they were "non-religious" but "somewhat observant".
18 percent said they were "non-religious" and "totally non-observant".
4 percent said they were "anti-religious" and "totally non-observant".
Only 65 percent of Israeli Jews believe in God.
Jewish atheism
Religion in Israel.
Secular Jewish culture
The Atheist Jew (atheist, anti-Islamist, pro-Israel)
Atheists should support Israel.
Israel is the most secular country in the Middle East.
Pew survey of global opinion. From here.
Absurd leftie site "Injustice Facts" attempts a ludicrous argument that Christians should support the Arab world, where Christians are oppressed, rather than Israel, where Christians are free.
The lack of religious freedom under the PA and Hamas
Palestinian atheist/agnostic movement (on Facebook)
Persecution of Ahmadis in the West Bank
6 Muslims arrested by the "secular" PA for breaking the Ramadan fast, report 1 Aug 2012. One gets a month in prison.
The PA in the West Bank persecutes Christians.
Gaza under Hamas is a fanatic Islamic religious tyranny.
The lack of religious freedom in the Islamic world
I cannot find a single openly pro-atheist group in the entire Arab Islamic world.
The persecution of Christians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Report by Chris Mitchell, CBN News.
Describes how the PA (i.e. Fatah terrorist forces) tortured and executed a convert from Islam to Christianity, Ahmad El-Achwal, in the West Bank in 2004. He was a father of eight.
Copy here.
The claim that Israel is a racist state
Christians:
As shown on this page, Christians are much freer in Israel than in the PA, and none want to leave. They know they are so lucky to be Israeli citizens and not PA citizens.
Arabs (and hence most Christians) are exempt from military service. But some volunteer.
Number of Arab Christians Joining the IDF On the Rise, Feb 2014.
Sons of the New Testament (pro-Israel Arab Christians in Israel)
Father Gabriel Nadaf of Nazareth
Arabs:
Israeli Arabs
The majority of Israeli Arabs are "proud" to be Israeli. They don't seem to realise they are oppressed!
Ala Wahib, an Israeli Arab Muslim, is the highest-ranked Muslim officer in the IDF. "I believe in the Muslim faith, and I will never abandon it, but I think that Zionism is more than a religion. It is something that fully represents my sense of belonging to the State of Israel".
The first black Miss Israel, Yityish Titi Aynaw, in 2013.
Obviously a racist state!
From here.
Why do African blacks want to get into Israel? As I say, people vote with their feet. They always have.
As with Cuba and East Germany in the Cold War, look at the countries people are trying to leave and the countries they are trying to get into. It tells you more than sneering intellectuals ever will.
Elinor Joseph, a Christian Arab in the IDF.
From here.
See another cracking picture.
In 2013, the Israeli public voted for an Israeli Arab Christian, Lina Makhoul, as winner of "The Voice".
Obviously a racist state!
Israeli Arab Rania Fadel explains why she loves Israel, the country where she can be free.
Arab Muslims who love Israel and serve in the Israeli army.
Falach Hayib is a Bedouin Muslim officer in the IDF.
Bad things
Is there anything wrong with Israel? Of course there is. Like the US, UK, Ireland and indeed any western liberal democracy, there are things wrong with the place.
Haters of Israel bring these up to try to make Israel look no different from its jihad-and-sharia-based enemies. But it seems to me that the same argument could be applied to the US, UK and Ireland too. We're no better than Israel.
http://markhumphrys.com/israel.defence.html
This page is a defence of Israel as a liberal democracy, with free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of sexuality.
This is why I support Israel. I support any liberal democracy anywhere in the world - South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India, South Africa, Israel, the South American democracies, Eastern Europe, and of course the traditional West. And I especially support any democracy fighting against non-democratic tyranny - as in the case of Israel, whose opponents are not democrats but rather tribal racists and totalitarian religious maniacs.
If Israel was not a democracy, I wouldn't support it. If the Palestinians were democrats, I would support them. But they're not, so I don't.
- Joshua Muravchik lays out in numbers why Israel is the most liberal state in the region and all liberals should support it.
- Israel is the freest country in the Middle East in the Freedom in the World index.
- Israel is the freest country in the Middle East in the Democracy Index.
- Israel is the freest country in the Middle East in the Freedom of the Press index.
- Israel is the freest country in the Middle East in the Web Index.
- Israel has had unbroken democratic elections since the 1940s. Longer than most of Europe!
- Israel has been a democracy longer than Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria and half of Germany.
From Israel Ministry of Tourism.
As well as the sexy women, you've got to love the tolerance of gays here.
Copies here and here.
Freedom of religion in Israel
Israel is the only country in the entire region where I, an atheist, could live without being persecuted. That is all one has to say really. We all know this in our hearts in the West. We all know this is true.
- Freedom of religion
- Who Hates Israel Now? by Jonathan Eric Lewis (October 28, 2003). Why every secular person in the world should support Israel: "The reason why the state of Israel is the moral ideal in the Middle East is precisely because it is the least religious politic in the Middle East."
- Israel or the Palestinians? Making the moral Choice by Wayne Dunn (May 5, 2002)
- Demographics of atheism
- Irreligion in Israel
- Atheism in Israel
- 1995 study says 31% of Israelis do not believe in God, with an additional 6% choosing 'don't know,' for a total of 37% being atheist or agnostic.
- Ireland is a far more religious country than Israel. In fact, Israel is one of the most secular countries in the world.
Atheists should support Israel.
Israel is the most secular country in the Middle East.
Pew survey of global opinion. From here.
Absurd leftie site "Injustice Facts" attempts a ludicrous argument that Christians should support the Arab world, where Christians are oppressed, rather than Israel, where Christians are free.
The lack of religious freedom under the PA and Hamas
- Freedom of religion in the Palestinian territories
- Walid Husayin, an atheist jailed and persecuted by the Palestinians.
- West Bank Palestinian atheist Walid Husayin was jailed and persecuted by the "secular" PA for criticising Islam. He described the God of Islam as having the attributes of a "primitive Bedouin". He was charged with "insulting the divine essence", as if that should be a crime.
- "He should be burned to death", said a local Islamofascist.
- Nice comment on Israeli news site: "Israel should kidnap him, and set him free in Israel or America." Another Israeli says: "He can move to Israel. I also think religion is primitive nonsense. Move here, you can speak your mind and no one will care."
- Update, Jan 2012: He is out of jail, but still being harrassed and beaten by the "secular" PA.
- Update 2014: He now lives in exile in freedom in France.
- Walid Husayin, 8 Dec 2014, wonders why the left will not support his right to be an atheist. I wonder that myself.
- His blog
The persecution of Christians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Report by Chris Mitchell, CBN News.
Describes how the PA (i.e. Fatah terrorist forces) tortured and executed a convert from Islam to Christianity, Ahmad El-Achwal, in the West Bank in 2004. He was a father of eight.
Copy here.
The claim that Israel is a racist state
- Some Anti-Israel people claim Israel is a racist state - not in its treatment of Palestinians, but in its treatment of its own citizens. They claim that Israel oppresses:
- Blacks.
- Christians.
- Arabs.
- Their evidence seems rather weak. They provide stories of individuals harassing minorities, but this is not legal or supported by the state, and such stories can easily be collected from the US, UK or any western country. Israel's legal framework seems normal western to me.
- So here is a challenge for the anti-Israel people: Show me an opinion survey of blacks, Christians or Arabs living in Israel that shows the majority of them agree that they are oppressed. I would definitely pay attention to that.
- Blacks:
- Black Africans, whether with Jewish ancestry or without, are desperate to immigrate to Israel. They seem to be unaware that Israel is racist against blacks! Someone needs to tell them what a terrible mistake they are making.
- Racism in Israel - Not much evidence that Israel is different to other western states.
The first black Miss Israel, Yityish Titi Aynaw, in 2013.
Obviously a racist state!
From here.
Why do African blacks want to get into Israel? As I say, people vote with their feet. They always have.
As with Cuba and East Germany in the Cold War, look at the countries people are trying to leave and the countries they are trying to get into. It tells you more than sneering intellectuals ever will.
Elinor Joseph, a Christian Arab in the IDF.
From here.
See another cracking picture.
In 2013, the Israeli public voted for an Israeli Arab Christian, Lina Makhoul, as winner of "The Voice".
Obviously a racist state!
Israeli Arab Rania Fadel explains why she loves Israel, the country where she can be free.
Arab Muslims who love Israel and serve in the Israeli army.
Falach Hayib is a Bedouin Muslim officer in the IDF.
Bad things
Is there anything wrong with Israel? Of course there is. Like the US, UK, Ireland and indeed any western liberal democracy, there are things wrong with the place.
Haters of Israel bring these up to try to make Israel look no different from its jihad-and-sharia-based enemies. But it seems to me that the same argument could be applied to the US, UK and Ireland too. We're no better than Israel.
- Israel is flawed:
- Marriage in Israel. There is no proper civil marriage and civil divorce. Marriages historically have been all religious, causing problems for non-religious, liberal and inter-faith couples, who had to get married abroad. (Israel recognises these foreign marriages.)
- There is an unsatisfactory civil marriage if both partners are non-religious, but not otherwise. There are ongoing proposals for civil marriage for all but they have not yet passed.
- Israel has no gay marriage. (It recognises foreign gay marriages.)
- Evolution is not properly taught in Israeli schools. Israeli schools refuse to tell children where humans came from.
- Other western democracies are flawed:
- Ireland has a broad blasphemy law which criminalises material "grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion".
- In Ireland, atheist children are forced to go to Catholic schools.
- Abortion is illegal in Ireland. (While I am opposed to 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion, I support legal 1st trimester abortion.)
- The UK has arbitrary freedom of speech laws and arrests people for offensive speech. All Internet porn is actually illegal in the UK. So is saying "fuck" online. Though these are not enforced. Whether you get done for online speech is fairly arbitrary.
- The UK bans many foreign speakers and thinkers from entering, in an arbitrary exercise of state power. The grounds for a ban could apply to almost anyone.
- In general, "hate speech" laws in the west criminalise speech for merely being factually incorrect or offensive.
- The UK runs secret family courts whose (sometimes brutal) decisions cannot be scrutinised by the press or public.
- The US runs a vicious and violent drug war and jails huge numbers of people for using drugs.
- Drug use, possession and sale is illegal in many western democracies, even though it is based on consent.
- Prostitution is illegal in many western democracies, even though it is based on consent.
- There is no right to die in many western democracies, even though it is based on consent.
- Many US states do not have gay marriage.
- Ireland and some other European countries do not have gay marriage.
- NI does not have gay marriage.
- These are bad things, but Israel, the US, UK and Ireland are all within the western democratic model, where you can criticise the state for these things and campaign to change it without fear of arrest. Judges can overturn politicians' decisions without fear of arrest. Politicians can run for election, promising to change the law, without fear of arrest. Most of the world is not like this.
- If you think these flaws make Israel, the US, UK and Ireland similar to genuinely unfree places like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran, I suggest you live in both types of place, and in each one try criticising the government and criticising the leading religion. By the time you are out of jail, you will understand the difference.
http://markhumphrys.com/israel.defence.html
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Coming from a country that is supposed to value it's religion, the last section of it is particularly offensive. If it was done by Christians about Judaism there would be hell to pay.
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Re: Israeli Racism - Christians speak out while Israelis have TV programes to mock Jesus and Mary
anyone can make a video and call it ' Palestinian scum mocking Jews Jesus and Mary'
It always amazes me how the camera crew just happen to be in the right place at the right time to capture all these supposed horrendous incidences .
It always amazes me how the camera crew just happen to be in the right place at the right time to capture all these supposed horrendous incidences .
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