The Jewish establishment has banned these four valiant Jews. Why?
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The Jewish establishment has banned these four valiant Jews. Why?
This is the story of a tragedy inside the Jewish community.
The four American Jews above are on a national campus tour. All in their 70s, they are veterans of the civil rights movement; they went south 50 years ago to help free our country from Jim Crow, risking their lives for equal rights.
But they have been banned from speaking at Hillel, the Jewish campus organization, because they have come out in favor of Palestinian human rights.
Last Wednesday they were to speak at Swarthmore Hillel, but the gangster who runs Hillel, former congressman Eric Fingerhut, hinted at legal action if the students dared to let them speak– so the students had to start a new Jewish group called Kehilah.
The next night they spoke to an overflow crowd at Muhlenberg College, introduced by former Hillel president Caroline Dorn. Dorn had to quit Hillel in order to host them—and she also had to meet with the college provost even to get permission for the four to come on campus because the college administration was afraid of alienating Jewish students. “It was devastating,” she says. And last night they spoke to more than 100 at the University of Michigan. Again: barred from Hillel.
So these four travelers are freedom riders twice. First in their 20s in the civil rights movement, now in their 70s, sponsored by the Open Hillel movement.
“Why are they so afraid about what a bunch of old folks are going to say to you?” Mark Levy asked at Swarthmore.
Why? Because when I saw them at Swarthmore, three of them started to weep as they told their stories, even 50 years later. Why? Because they witnessed an American social revolution in which many people suffered, and they are extending that experience to Palestine.
The four veterans of the civil rights movement
Levy is the man on the left. A retired teacher in New York, he went south because he thought the best way to fight anti-semitism was to fight discrimination against all people.
Next to him is Larry Rubin. Rubin went south “automatically” from the Sholom Aleichem Club in Philadelphia 50 years ago because “I wanted to make my country better.” But in Belzoni Mississippi, a sheriff said to him, “We haven’t hanged us a Hebe in a long time” and the white people said he was trying to “destroy” the country. The same charge was hurled at him when he went to Palestine and witnessed the apartheid conditions there.
Next in line, Dorothy Zellner. Like Rubin, she worked for the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. She went south because she believed Jews fought injustice in the garment industry, in the Spanish Civil war, in the Warsaw Ghetto, because the Talmud told them to:
“Who is honored? The one who honors all human beings.”
On Zellner’s left is the baby of the group, Ira Grupper. He grew up Orthodox in Brooklyn, and twice he broke down last week as he spoke. First when he said that he had named his daughter after his friend Vernon Dahmer, who was murdered in Mississippi for helping black people to vote. The second time when he told of his arrest with hundreds of other men at the Mississippi Fairgrounds, and every night as a form of humiliation and control the cops served the white prisoners their bologna sandwich and cup of milk first but every prisoner set the cup on the floor with the sandwich on top of it till the last black prisoner was served.
“Then all of us prisoners, black and white together, picked up our sandwiches as one, and that is what the civil rights movement means to me, and as a Jew I have to fight for the rights of all people and that includes Palestinians.”
You’d think that these four Jews would be hallowed by the Jewish community, that Grupper would be telling his stories at the 92d Street Y and the DC JCC and the Center for Jewish History in New York. No: they are pariahs, because they speak out for Palestine, and cross Hillel International’s red lines for accepted speech.
The night I saw them was tense. Joshua Wolfsun of Kehila warned the crowd you may disagree vehemently with what you are about to hear, but please try and listen resiliently and if you have to blow off steam, take a walk outside. A rabbi who sat near the back asked what was the difference between blind loyalty to Israel that the group was opposing and support for the Jewish people. An older man said equal rights and civil rights and peace are all great, but what do you owe the Jewish community?
Levy said the demand is something out of the Spanish Inquisition. “There’s a single definition of being Jewish: I have to be a Zionist, 110 percent uncritical of Israel, otherwise I can’t call myself a Jew. And I think there’s something wrong with that.”
Rubin said the thought control reminds him of Communist days, when friends said he should never criticize the Soviet Union because Russia was the savior of the working class, and criticism would hurt the movement.
Now Israel is the savior of the Jewish community so don’t say anything. But Israel is supposed to be a Jewish country and they don’t want Jews to argue! This is not the way that Jews do business.
Zellner said Israel is not a Jewish country, any more than the U.S. was a white country when 12 percent of the country was back. But she said the demands of Jewish nationalism have made Jews sick.
“What’s happening now in the Jewish community, the enforced loyalty to the state of Israel, has made us sick. We are a sick population, we are under such extreme tension. We have people storming out of seder meals, and we in Jews Say No, when we’re out on the street. I have seen normal people who you would not look at twice go from zero to 60 in a second and become raving maniacs. Calling us everything that you can possibly say. We are in a situation where people can’t ask the questions and they can’t talk. “
She said the young Jews in the room were the “prize” that the older Jews are fighting over, and the Fingerhuts will lose.
“You signal the end of the occupation. I am the oldest one here. I will tell you my age, I’m 77, and I am going to be live to the end of this occupation. You all have done the final blow. When hundred of J Street student went outside of Fingerhut’s office [to protest restrictions], this is the end, the ship is going down and it’s because of you guys..”
Others on this site are not as thrilled as I am by this movement. They say it’s fine for Jews to save the Jewish soul, but that’s not going to bring justice to Palestine. I say we need to change the Jewish community, because we hold the keys to changing U.S. policy. One thing we agree about, the Jewish community is reactionary when it comes to Palestinian rights; and these four Jews in their 70s are working with Jews in their teens and 20s to try and change that culture.
Dorothy Zellner said the Jewish establishment miscalculated, promising its loyalty to Israel, saying, “We are all in lockstep. But we’re not.” The young people are breaking those chains and the Fingerhuts and Foxmans are terrified of the change. And when the change happens American public opinion will break.
The young Jews issued a statement of their own yesterday. After the threats to Swarthmore and the resignation of Caroline Dorn, the Open Hillel movement issued a calm challenge to their elders:
Hillel is facing a choice – it can continue to spend valuable resources devoted to fighting its own students in an attempt to dictate what students can and cannot say about Israel/Palestine, or it can return to its mission of engaging Jewish students.
The vets will be at the University of Chicago on April 1st and Oberlin on April 8th. We’ll announce additional stops on the midwest tour when we learn about them. And then they hit the South, April 15-18.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/establishment-banned-valiant#sthash.2HYQaJ6W.dpuf
The four American Jews above are on a national campus tour. All in their 70s, they are veterans of the civil rights movement; they went south 50 years ago to help free our country from Jim Crow, risking their lives for equal rights.
But they have been banned from speaking at Hillel, the Jewish campus organization, because they have come out in favor of Palestinian human rights.
Last Wednesday they were to speak at Swarthmore Hillel, but the gangster who runs Hillel, former congressman Eric Fingerhut, hinted at legal action if the students dared to let them speak– so the students had to start a new Jewish group called Kehilah.
The next night they spoke to an overflow crowd at Muhlenberg College, introduced by former Hillel president Caroline Dorn. Dorn had to quit Hillel in order to host them—and she also had to meet with the college provost even to get permission for the four to come on campus because the college administration was afraid of alienating Jewish students. “It was devastating,” she says. And last night they spoke to more than 100 at the University of Michigan. Again: barred from Hillel.
So these four travelers are freedom riders twice. First in their 20s in the civil rights movement, now in their 70s, sponsored by the Open Hillel movement.
“Why are they so afraid about what a bunch of old folks are going to say to you?” Mark Levy asked at Swarthmore.
Why? Because when I saw them at Swarthmore, three of them started to weep as they told their stories, even 50 years later. Why? Because they witnessed an American social revolution in which many people suffered, and they are extending that experience to Palestine.
The four veterans of the civil rights movement
Levy is the man on the left. A retired teacher in New York, he went south because he thought the best way to fight anti-semitism was to fight discrimination against all people.
Next to him is Larry Rubin. Rubin went south “automatically” from the Sholom Aleichem Club in Philadelphia 50 years ago because “I wanted to make my country better.” But in Belzoni Mississippi, a sheriff said to him, “We haven’t hanged us a Hebe in a long time” and the white people said he was trying to “destroy” the country. The same charge was hurled at him when he went to Palestine and witnessed the apartheid conditions there.
Next in line, Dorothy Zellner. Like Rubin, she worked for the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. She went south because she believed Jews fought injustice in the garment industry, in the Spanish Civil war, in the Warsaw Ghetto, because the Talmud told them to:
“Who is honored? The one who honors all human beings.”
On Zellner’s left is the baby of the group, Ira Grupper. He grew up Orthodox in Brooklyn, and twice he broke down last week as he spoke. First when he said that he had named his daughter after his friend Vernon Dahmer, who was murdered in Mississippi for helping black people to vote. The second time when he told of his arrest with hundreds of other men at the Mississippi Fairgrounds, and every night as a form of humiliation and control the cops served the white prisoners their bologna sandwich and cup of milk first but every prisoner set the cup on the floor with the sandwich on top of it till the last black prisoner was served.
“Then all of us prisoners, black and white together, picked up our sandwiches as one, and that is what the civil rights movement means to me, and as a Jew I have to fight for the rights of all people and that includes Palestinians.”
You’d think that these four Jews would be hallowed by the Jewish community, that Grupper would be telling his stories at the 92d Street Y and the DC JCC and the Center for Jewish History in New York. No: they are pariahs, because they speak out for Palestine, and cross Hillel International’s red lines for accepted speech.
The night I saw them was tense. Joshua Wolfsun of Kehila warned the crowd you may disagree vehemently with what you are about to hear, but please try and listen resiliently and if you have to blow off steam, take a walk outside. A rabbi who sat near the back asked what was the difference between blind loyalty to Israel that the group was opposing and support for the Jewish people. An older man said equal rights and civil rights and peace are all great, but what do you owe the Jewish community?
Levy said the demand is something out of the Spanish Inquisition. “There’s a single definition of being Jewish: I have to be a Zionist, 110 percent uncritical of Israel, otherwise I can’t call myself a Jew. And I think there’s something wrong with that.”
Rubin said the thought control reminds him of Communist days, when friends said he should never criticize the Soviet Union because Russia was the savior of the working class, and criticism would hurt the movement.
Now Israel is the savior of the Jewish community so don’t say anything. But Israel is supposed to be a Jewish country and they don’t want Jews to argue! This is not the way that Jews do business.
Zellner said Israel is not a Jewish country, any more than the U.S. was a white country when 12 percent of the country was back. But she said the demands of Jewish nationalism have made Jews sick.
“What’s happening now in the Jewish community, the enforced loyalty to the state of Israel, has made us sick. We are a sick population, we are under such extreme tension. We have people storming out of seder meals, and we in Jews Say No, when we’re out on the street. I have seen normal people who you would not look at twice go from zero to 60 in a second and become raving maniacs. Calling us everything that you can possibly say. We are in a situation where people can’t ask the questions and they can’t talk. “
She said the young Jews in the room were the “prize” that the older Jews are fighting over, and the Fingerhuts will lose.
“You signal the end of the occupation. I am the oldest one here. I will tell you my age, I’m 77, and I am going to be live to the end of this occupation. You all have done the final blow. When hundred of J Street student went outside of Fingerhut’s office [to protest restrictions], this is the end, the ship is going down and it’s because of you guys..”
Others on this site are not as thrilled as I am by this movement. They say it’s fine for Jews to save the Jewish soul, but that’s not going to bring justice to Palestine. I say we need to change the Jewish community, because we hold the keys to changing U.S. policy. One thing we agree about, the Jewish community is reactionary when it comes to Palestinian rights; and these four Jews in their 70s are working with Jews in their teens and 20s to try and change that culture.
Dorothy Zellner said the Jewish establishment miscalculated, promising its loyalty to Israel, saying, “We are all in lockstep. But we’re not.” The young people are breaking those chains and the Fingerhuts and Foxmans are terrified of the change. And when the change happens American public opinion will break.
The young Jews issued a statement of their own yesterday. After the threats to Swarthmore and the resignation of Caroline Dorn, the Open Hillel movement issued a calm challenge to their elders:
Hillel is facing a choice – it can continue to spend valuable resources devoted to fighting its own students in an attempt to dictate what students can and cannot say about Israel/Palestine, or it can return to its mission of engaging Jewish students.
The vets will be at the University of Chicago on April 1st and Oberlin on April 8th. We’ll announce additional stops on the midwest tour when we learn about them. And then they hit the South, April 15-18.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/establishment-banned-valiant#sthash.2HYQaJ6W.dpuf
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Re: The Jewish establishment has banned these four valiant Jews. Why?
it is really hillel and JSA that are the problem with the whole Israel Palestine Anti-Semitism thing. Jews need to stand up and Denounce Hillel and JSA just like Muslims do ISIS
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Re: The Jewish establishment has banned these four valiant Jews. Why?
veya_victaous wrote:it is really hillel and JSA that are the problem with the whole Israel Palestine Anti-Semitism thing. Jews need to stand up and Denounce Hillel and JSA just like Muslims do ISIS
Muslims need to denounce BDS also, all these groups are wrong in their stance and hate.
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Re: The Jewish establishment has banned these four valiant Jews. Why?
veya_victaous wrote:it is really hillel and JSA that are the problem with the whole Israel Palestine Anti-Semitism thing. Jews need to stand up and Denounce Hillel and JSA just like Muslims do ISIS
Agreed, and thankfully that is exactly what they are doing, and more and more are backing BDS and not having the wool pulled over their eyes by Israeli propaganda.
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Probably politics.
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Absolutely nothing to do with politics, morals. Just as those four stood up because moraly they thought what was being done then was wrong and are standing up now because they think what is being done now is wrong, so are the students.
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risingsun wrote:Absolutely nothing to do with politics, morals. Just as those four stood up because moraly they thought what was being done then was wrong and are standing up now because they think what is being done now is wrong, so are the students.
"To-may-to, to-mah-to..." Established Jewish NGOs here in the US are as powerful as the Irish in South Boston. Political power comes from such organizations.
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Original Quill wrote:risingsun wrote:Absolutely nothing to do with politics, morals. Just as those four stood up because moraly they thought what was being done then was wrong and are standing up now because they think what is being done now is wrong, so are the students.
"To-may-to, to-mah-to..." Established Jewish NGOs here in the US are as powerful as the Irish in South Boston. Political power comes from such organizations.
I'm afraid Quill's right Sassy......their lobbyist groups are some of the most powerful on the hill....its been that way since the end of WW2
.I applaud what those 4 have done - the world needs more like them.
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Cass wrote:Original Quill wrote:
"To-may-to, to-mah-to..." Established Jewish NGOs here in the US are as powerful as the Irish in South Boston. Political power comes from such organizations.
I'm afraid Quill's right Sassy......their lobbyist groups are some of the most powerful on the hill....its been that way since the end of WW2
.I applaud what those 4 have done - the world needs more like them.
I am against all these groups, so do you condemn the antisemitic tactics used by the BDS which is ell documented, or does this only extend to Jewish groups?
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