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Post by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:22 pm

The European Court of Human Rights has again ruled that the UK is violating prisoners’ rights by banning almost all of them from voting—the fourth time the Court has done so. The UK has not yet changed the law in response to these judgments, which go back over a decade.
A long saga
In 2001, three prisoners challenged the explicit ban on all prisoners—except those on remand and a few other minor exceptions—being able to vote in any parliamentary or local government elections. They claimed that the ban was a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights, but lost in the High Court.
The UK has ratified the Convention, and made it a part of domestic law through the Human Rights Act 1998. Under the Convention, countries promise to hold elections “which will ensure the free expression of the opinion of the people”.
One of the prisoners, John Hirst, convicted of manslaughter in 1980, argued at the human rights court in Strasbourg that this rules out a ‘blanket’ ban on prisoner votes. In 2005, the court’s Grand Chamber agreed that it was, ruling that a ban on all convicted prisoners voting was disproportionate: “a blunt instrument”.
It didn’t say that all prisoners should have the vote. It’s up to the UK to find a way of changing the law so that it’s in keeping with what the Convention requires. This could be done by making the law more selective; for instance, giving some prisoners the vote, but not others, depending on the length of their sentence or the nature of their crime.
Politically toxic
The government doesn’t like the ruling; but the UK has made a promise, in international law, to accept such judgments. Following the law means putting in place new legislation.
Different options for doing so have been discussed since 2005. In 2013, a parliamentary committee recommended that prisoners serving a sentence of 12 months or less should have the vote. The government responded in February 2014, saying that “the matter is under active consideration”. The law went unchanged, perhaps due to the opposition of MPs and the general public.
Meanwhile, more prisoners have gone to the Strasbourg Court over the right to vote. A judgment in 2010 confirmed that the UK continues to be in breach of the Convention—but with no practical consequences other than to reiterate that the UK needs to take action. A further ruling to that effect in 2014 denied the prisoners both compensation and the costs of taking the case. No financial compensation has ever been given to any prisoner who cannot vote.
Déjà vu

In today’s judgment, the Court found in favour of 1,015 prisoners or former prisoners—but once again refused to pay compensation or reimburse costs as a result.
The government said in December 2014 that it would not legislate for prisoners’ votes in this Parliament, meaning that there will be no change to the law before the general election in May. The Council of Europe’s Committee of Ministers, which has been urging the UK to honour its international law commitments, will next examine the government’s progress in September 2015. The stalemate continues.



https://fullfact.org/law/human_rights_court_rules_against_UK_ban_prisoner_votes_again-39196

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Post by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:26 pm

sorry but human rights dont come into it..

you get jailed...you lose your vote for the time you are in jail....
just as you loose your freedom.....


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Post by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:27 pm

darknessss wrote:sorry but human rights dont come into it..

you get jailed...you lose your vote for the time you are in jail....
just as you loose your freedom.....



I agree, you should lose you right if you commit a crime.
My point was for you actually Victor, that this ha four times gone to the courts of Human rights and four times ruled against the UK and each time what did it achieve for the prisoners?

Nothing

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Post by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:45 pm

Brasidas wrote:
darknessss wrote:sorry but human rights dont come into it..

you get jailed...you lose your vote for the time you are in jail....
just as you loose your freedom.....



I agree, you should lose you right if you commit a crime.
My point was for you actually Victor, that this ha four times gone to the courts of Human rights and four times ruled against the UK and each time what did it achieve for the prisoners?

Nothing
and long may it continue....

but..id wouldnt even be an issue if we were NOT in the EU......

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