Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
Page 1 of 1
Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
Exactly how much the Bible intersects with history has been a matter of debate for a long, long time — and it's a thorny subject, with no easy answers. But still, looking at the intersection can make things very interesting. For example, Judas Iscariot might have been a member of an order of assassins.
The names of the apostles were as common in their day as they are in ours. This leads to some confusion when reading the Bible, as it mentions that Judas is the son of Simon. What, we ask, was the fall-out in the group after Jesus was betrayed not just by one of this followers, but by the son of one of the apostles?
Except that's the wrong Simon. Judas was the son of Simon Iscariot, which is why he is often referred to as Judas Iscariot. Whether he is an "Iscariot" is a important issue. Iscariot is not just a family name, or even a "clan" name. The name marks its bearer as one of the sicarii. The sicarii were nationalists, committed to resisting the Roman occupation by assassinating important political figures. Josephus, a historian who lived in the middle of the first century AD, wrote about their tactics. Putting on long robes and holding short daggers called sicae, they'd wait until a Roman official was walking through a crowded area, get close, stab the offical, and then slip away into the crowd, concealing their small weapon. The order was, apparently, very successful in instilling terror in the local ruling population. They even went after local collaborators who worked with the Roman regime.
http://io9.com/jesus-might-not-have-been-judas-only-victim-1677921987
The names of the apostles were as common in their day as they are in ours. This leads to some confusion when reading the Bible, as it mentions that Judas is the son of Simon. What, we ask, was the fall-out in the group after Jesus was betrayed not just by one of this followers, but by the son of one of the apostles?
Except that's the wrong Simon. Judas was the son of Simon Iscariot, which is why he is often referred to as Judas Iscariot. Whether he is an "Iscariot" is a important issue. Iscariot is not just a family name, or even a "clan" name. The name marks its bearer as one of the sicarii. The sicarii were nationalists, committed to resisting the Roman occupation by assassinating important political figures. Josephus, a historian who lived in the middle of the first century AD, wrote about their tactics. Putting on long robes and holding short daggers called sicae, they'd wait until a Roman official was walking through a crowded area, get close, stab the offical, and then slip away into the crowd, concealing their small weapon. The order was, apparently, very successful in instilling terror in the local ruling population. They even went after local collaborators who worked with the Roman regime.
http://io9.com/jesus-might-not-have-been-judas-only-victim-1677921987
Guest- Guest
Re: Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
Very interesting! I always thought the story of Judas hanging himself felt a little "just-so" as well.
Just to chase that thought ... it's kind of funny that any Biblical figure would be made into a villain over the execution of Jesus, since the entirety of the Christian belief system would fall apart if Jesus hadn't been killed
Also, nobody ever accuses Italians of killing Jesus. Jews, on the other hand ...
Just to chase that thought ... it's kind of funny that any Biblical figure would be made into a villain over the execution of Jesus, since the entirety of the Christian belief system would fall apart if Jesus hadn't been killed
Also, nobody ever accuses Italians of killing Jesus. Jews, on the other hand ...
Re: Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
Sorry, getting on a roll here. So the Bible says that God "sent his only son, Jesus." So Jesus was God's son before being born from Mary. So who was Jesus' real mother? Or does God reproduce asexually like an amoeba?
All joking aside, I think you can't hand-wave away the deliberate and repeated use of the word "son." I may not speak ancient Aramaic but whatever word it was has always been translated as "son." All I can guess is that "son" might have had another connotation that was stronger in those days than the definition "male offspring." Great, I'm going to wonder about this for days ...
All joking aside, I think you can't hand-wave away the deliberate and repeated use of the word "son." I may not speak ancient Aramaic but whatever word it was has always been translated as "son." All I can guess is that "son" might have had another connotation that was stronger in those days than the definition "male offspring." Great, I'm going to wonder about this for days ...
Re: Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
considering that there are (as admitted in the bible ) a group of gods.....
Guest- Guest
Re: Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
darknessss wrote:considering that there are (as admitted in the bible ) a group of gods.....
Good point, there are parts of the Bible that seem to indicate that God (Jehova) recognizes the existence of other gods, but vies for supremacy.
Re: Jesus Might Not Have Been Judas' Only Victim
Ben_Reilly wrote:darknessss wrote:considering that there are (as admitted in the bible ) a group of gods.....
Good point, there are parts of the Bible that seem to indicate that God (Jehova) recognizes the existence of other gods, but vies for supremacy.
Morning Ben
That is because the Jews first collated their works of their faith within captivity in Babylon, where they clearly plagiarized may stories that can be found in earlier myths.
As seen in the Sumerian myths, there was flesh and blood deities, where Enki went against the other Gods, making the humans out of the blood of another God.
Where you get mistakes occur in the bible like "made in our own image"
Guest- Guest
Similar topics
» Why Did Judas Really Betray Jesus?
» I Think My Six-Year-Old Might Be Jesus
» Bad Boy, Bad Jesus, Bad Bad Jesus: Reviewing “The Bad Jesus” by Dr. Avalos, Part 2
» Women slam rape victim blaming with video about fake male murder victim: ‘What was he wearing though?’
» Mayor believed she was the victim of a hate crime victim after 'yellow, sticky substance' is found on her car but cops discover it's simply POLLEN
» I Think My Six-Year-Old Might Be Jesus
» Bad Boy, Bad Jesus, Bad Bad Jesus: Reviewing “The Bad Jesus” by Dr. Avalos, Part 2
» Women slam rape victim blaming with video about fake male murder victim: ‘What was he wearing though?’
» Mayor believed she was the victim of a hate crime victim after 'yellow, sticky substance' is found on her car but cops discover it's simply POLLEN
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:28 pm by Ben Reilly
» TOTAL MADNESS Great British Railway Journeys among shows flagged by counter terror scheme ‘for encouraging far-right sympathies
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:14 pm by Tommy Monk
» Interesting COVID figures
Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:00 am by Tommy Monk
» HAPPY CHRISTMAS.
Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:33 pm by Tommy Monk
» The Fight Over Climate Change is Over (The Greenies Won!)
Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm by Tommy Monk
» Trump supporter murders wife, kills family dog, shoots daughter
Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:21 am by 'Wolfie
» Quill
Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:28 pm by Tommy Monk
» Algerian Woman under investigation for torture and murder of French girl, 12, whose body was found in plastic case in Paris
Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:04 pm by Tommy Monk
» Wind turbines cool down the Earth (edited with better video link)
Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:19 am by Ben Reilly
» Saying goodbye to our Queen.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:02 pm by Maddog
» PHEW.
Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:33 pm by Syl
» And here's some more enrichment...
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:46 pm by Ben Reilly
» John F Kennedy Assassination
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:40 pm by Ben Reilly
» Where is everyone lately...?
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:33 pm by Ben Reilly
» London violence over the weekend...
Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:19 pm by Tommy Monk
» Why should anyone believe anything that Mo Farah says...!?
Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:44 am by Tommy Monk
» Liverpool Labour defends mayor role poll after turnout was only 3% and they say they will push ahead with the option that was least preferred!!!
Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:11 pm by Tommy Monk
» Labour leader Keir Stammer can't answer the simple question of whether a woman has a penis or not...
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:58 am by Tommy Monk
» More evidence of remoaners still trying to overturn Brexit... and this is a conservative MP who should be drummed out of the party and out of parliament!
Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:50 pm by Tommy Monk
» R Kelly 30 years, Ghislaine Maxwell 20 years... but here in UK...
Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:31 pm by Original Quill